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Do you think it is right or wrong for a company to force male employees to remove earings while allowing only females to wear them as they please?

For example, I work at Waffle House. The company claims they will never discriminate based on race, sexual preference, gender or beliefs. I am a male and I wear earrings while I work. I like the look and find it an enjoyable way to express myself. My manager doesn't mind the earrings despite Waffle House having a female only earring policy. However, when bosses in higher positions are present I am asked to remove my earrings because of my gender. I find this to be discriminative against males. I would love to hear other opinions on this subject, please.

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10I am male. I DO think this is disciminative to males.
8I am female. I DO think this is disciminative to males.
2I am male. I DO NOT think this is disciminative to males.
3I am female. I DO NOT think this is disciminative to males.
1Gender not specified. I DO think this is disciminative to males.
1Gender not specified. I DO NOT think this is disciminative to males.
1I have something else to answer.


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dab Survey Qualifier
posted 2-Oct-2014 9:15am  
Obviously their rules do discriminate based on gender. It's their company and I think they get to make their own rules however I think it's wrong to lie about it though and say they don't discriminate based on gender when they clearly do.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 2-Oct-2014 9:35am  
Definitely seems like discrimination, but I guess I wouldn't get too fussed about it.
Galomorro
posted 2-Oct-2014 11:20am  
I am male. I DO think this is discriminatory to males. I think people should for the most part be allowed to wear what they want. Earrings should be allowed by all genders.
LJD Survey Qualifier
posted 2-Oct-2014 1:36pm  
I am female, and don't like to see earrings on a male. In reality, the Bible talks against piercings, tattooing and that goes for males and females.
LJD Survey Qualifier
posted 2-Oct-2014 1:38pm  
I say take out the earrings, respect the rules of the house.
Biggles Survey Qualifier
posted 2-Oct-2014 3:10pm  
I think it's reasonable for companies to provide some form of dress code for health/safety or professionalism, but it should apply to everyone. The usual earring requirements that I have seen are that only plain studs can be worn, and no more than one per ear. That could apply equally to either gender. I don't see why people working behind the scenes with no contact with clients and no safety issues shouldn't be allowed to wear whatever they want though.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 2-Oct-2014 5:11pm  
I am female and I do not think this discriminates against male employees yes male workers they should remove the earrings in a restaurant environment
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 2-Oct-2014 5:15pm  
As a woman I totally agree male employees in a restaurant they should not be wearing earrings? They are not being discriminated against rules are rules for all employees
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 3-Oct-2014 2:23am  
First of all the employee should be happy they have a job, and should respect the rules. It is not asking much.

It's like if someone comes into your home, you would expect the guest to respect the rules of your house. I do not think it is asking the employee too much to take out the earrings.
Lysannus
posted 3-Oct-2014 4:55am  
Discrimination pure and simple. If they said no earrings for either men or women then no it is not.
When they start saying this group can do this but this other group can't do it then it is discrimination.
Lysannus
(reply to JessicaWoman99, LJD) posted 3-Oct-2014 5:09am  
Sorry I find this totally disagreeable. Why is men wearing earrings so bad?
Of course looking at where they are located it makes sense the company feels this way.
I know they would be found in violation of anti-discrimination laws in NY.
FordGuy
posted 3-Oct-2014 7:04am  
Funny, when I worked at a large company in Chicago, their dress code didn't allow men to wear shorts. In the female section, however, 'shorts may be worn with hosiery.' So simple, I'd wear hose and shorts to work! I called the HR department at the main HQ and asked if it would be ok? When they stopped laughing, they said yes. So I did, and have, ever since.
Irene007
posted 3-Oct-2014 7:45am  
In that context, I do think it is - it's just an earring however; I do think some dress code or standards can be expected in certain jobs for both genders.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 3-Oct-2014 10:19am  
Yes exactly well said
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 10:28am  
You may disagree but think? This is a workplace this is an employer you have to respect their rules and be happy that the male employee has a job at all because there are people who do not have a job, also the male employees they should be respectful sure I see Pro Athletes who wear stud earrings they can work with their earrings it is a much different environment than say working in a Restaurant or an Office
Lysannus
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 3-Oct-2014 10:37am  
So you are saying it is ok to discriminate in this fashion??
So if a workplace was to say women could only wear skirts and hose w/ dress shoes (3" heel minimum because of some owner regulation) but the guys could wear sneakers and jeans,
How long would that go on before the women were screaming bloody murder and they wanted the right to wear sneakers and jeans?
Equality has to swing both ways or it is not truly equality.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 10:44am  
Also male employees who come to work at a nice fancy Restaurant and they are wearing dangling earrings think how the employer would feel and how the customers would feel about the male Waiter wearing dangling earrings? I would be offended and disgusted and walk out of that Restaurant along with others
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 10:52am  
Hey it is what it is? Yes women would be screaming bloody murder if we could not wear pants to work and told to wear skirts to work or a dress but you could take your case all the way to the Supreme Court's and the Civil Rights Division and risk losing your job if it is worth it?
LindaH
posted 3-Oct-2014 11:37am  
Yes, it is discriminatory. But I can see why old fashioned higher ups are worried about it. They are concerned about company image. It's based on what they have always known to be proper and expected, and they aren't enough with the times to realize that younger people (for the most part) aren't really all that bothered if the guy working with the public has earrings.
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 11:54am  
Then I expect the employer could just fire the employee for insubordination? The employer is simply asking for earrings to be removed while on the job. Why make a fuss?

Earrings have been a woman's jewelry in the past, why all of a sudden do men feel they can wear them? I took care of this problem early in the game with my youngest son while in his teens. He started wearing an earring, I didn't like it, so one morning while he was asleep, I removed the earring. He awoke, was upset. I told him NO. I remember the earring bit lasted but a SHORT time.

Piercings, tattooing are pagan

Leviticus 19:28 - Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD
Zang
posted 3-Oct-2014 12:03pm  
That's a no-brainer. It is clearly discriminatory. However, it isn't the sort of thing that a human rights tribunal would likely consider a valuable use of their time, should you try to press it that far.

I'm not a jewellery kind of guy. I haven't even worn a watch for the past twenty years or so.

In my culture, a minority of men have been sporting earrings for the past 40 years or more. So this isn't exactly a new thing.

A waffle house isn't a bank or an insurance company. I don't think that John Q. Public has the same sort of conservative expectations of their employees that they would otherwise.

If I were in charge of making such policy decisions for your employer, I would make the dress code such that everyone could wear jewellery, but that it be discreet and unobtrusive. Earrings, nose rings etc. would have to be small metal studs. No one would be allowed to wear large dangly flamboyant sparkly jewellery. I think that would be a reasonable compromise.
Lysannus
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 3-Oct-2014 12:32pm  
Well, I would see it as a cool place and would be there a lot seeing how the closed minded would not be there. But then that is just me I guess.
Lysannus
(reply to Zang) posted 3-Oct-2014 12:35pm  
> If I were in charge of making such policy decisions for your employer,
> I would make the dress code such that everyone could wear jewellery,
> but that it be discreet and unobtrusive. Earrings, nose rings etc.
> would have to be small metal studs. No one would be allowed to wear
> large dangly flamboyant sparkly jewellery. I think that would be a
> reasonable compromise.

But you would be making it the same across the board, correct.
Zang
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 12:47pm  
I noticed that Biggles said something vaguely similar.
Lysannus
(reply to LJD) posted 3-Oct-2014 12:48pm  
just a bit of history for you, do with it as you will.

"In ancient times earrings were a predominantly male ornament. They were popular even 7000 years ago in ancient Asia. Egyptians and Assyrians used earrings to signify the fact that they belong to a higher class.

In ancient Rome earrings were worn only by slaves, while in ancient Greece they were the ornament of prostitutes. Wealthy Greek and Roman ladies also wore earrings set with pearls to display their social status. They wore jewels with topaz, garnet and sapphires too.

In the countries of the ancient Orient the preference was for silver and golden earrings set with rubies, sapphires and emeralds. Earrings were especially celebrated in India, China and Assyria.

During the Middle Ages in Europe male earrings alternated between being popular and being out of style for long periods of time until in the 13th century when the Catholic Church forbade the piercing of ears. This was done in accordance with the dogma, stating that a person cannot alter his or her body which is created in the image of God. Only thieves, pirates and representatives of the lower class continued to wear earrings."

So as you can see until the 13th century there was nothing against them, until come catholic guy with a chip on his shoulder and a play for power started making up the rules. Thieves, pirates and lower class still wore them because they did not care about being excommunicated. For a religion that professes one should love their neighbor they sure did a lot of persecution and killing. And lets not get started on the ruling that one can not alter their body. If that were the case then all surgery is against Gods word.
LindaH
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 1:07pm  
Pink used to be a masculine color too.
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 3:05pm  
Thank you, you made my case. There are those throughout time, that did not want to follow God's Word.

Personally, I don't think there should be surgery for the most part...only for repair, not disease.

In the Biblical verse I quoted, I believe it meant idolatry, cutting, piercing.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 4:09pm  
Whatever
Lysannus
(reply to LJD) posted 3-Oct-2014 5:24pm  
"I believe it meant idolatry, cutting, piercing"

But you don't know for sure you are interpreting it how you want. I rest my case.
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to Lysannus) posted 3-Oct-2014 6:34pm  
Our bodies are temples of God.

I've studied some on Auyverdic/Chinese medical theories...we were MASTERFULLY designed. We CAN'T separate the mind/body/SPIRIT. If our spirit falls, so will our mind and body. This is why God instructs us on how to live, according to his design.

If you were to design a machine, and you wanted it to work well, would you set instructions on how to operate the machine? I would think so.

they Survey Central Subscriber
posted 4-Oct-2014 9:56am  
It's wrong.

While job searching, my SO had a company ask if he would be willing to cut his hair and remove his earrings. He refused, and found a company that didn't give a crap about this.
they Survey Central Subscriber
(reply to LJD) posted 4-Oct-2014 9:57am  
> In reality, the Bible

lolz

they Survey Central Subscriber
(reply to Lysannus) posted 4-Oct-2014 10:05am  
"it is what it is"

^This is Jessica's new catch-all phrase for explaining away her bigotry. I've been seeing it a lot. I don't think she used to be this way. She seems to have come under the influence of something/someone bad. Maybe it's LJD.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 4-Oct-2014 11:12am  
Well sorry but I live a godly life I go to Church every Sunday I live by what is right and what is wrong and rules we have to live by accordingly if you do not like the rules placed on you by your employer then quit and find another job? Yes it is what it is no matter what life sucks so what
FordGuy
(reply to LindaH) posted 6-Oct-2014 7:22am  
> Pink used to be a masculine color too.

The most expensive dress shirt I own is pink. My wife loves it. And I have to say, I freakin' rock it! I will see if I can dig up a picture when I get home.
Iseult
(reply to they) posted 6-Oct-2014 11:39pm  
Just curious, what line of work is he in?
they Survey Central Subscriber
(reply to Iseult) posted 7-Oct-2014 1:45am  
He's a programmer.
southernyankee
posted 7-Oct-2014 1:46pm  
Its wrong, but if thats your only complaint be lucky and learn to pick your battles more wisely in the future.
Iseult
(reply to they) posted 7-Oct-2014 7:54pm  
I thought they were more lax in that line of work.
Gomezy3k
posted 9-Oct-2014 2:54pm  
It is their company so they make the rules.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Gomezy3k) posted 9-Oct-2014 7:49pm  
Just what I said yes it is their company and they make the rules for we live by rules and regulations all the days of our lives there are rules of the road when we drive our cars Banks and Schools have rules that we abide by?
SensesFail
(reply to LJD) posted 13-Oct-2014 7:28am  
I have tattoos and wear my earrings at waffle house. I only take them out very rarely when in the presence of very higher ups. And why would saying females can wear the style and restricting males not be discriminating?I made this survey for an opinion the rule but most of the bosses do not enforce the rule. And if this about religion then females cant wear earrings either in your opinion?
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 13-Oct-2014 9:09pm  
Whatever it is what it is
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to SensesFail) posted 14-Oct-2014 2:07am  
Yes, I feel the Scripture means no cuttings, nor print for man AND woman.

In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, the chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, the bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, the rings, and nose jewels, the changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, the glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.

Isaiah 3:18-23
peaceful_journey
posted 18-Oct-2014 7:21pm  
its discriminative. should be one rule for all, either way.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 20-Oct-2014 11:14am  
I'm female and I do think it's discriminatory--it's a double standard. But I don't think it's really that big a deal, compared to some other kinds of discrimination.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 4-Nov-2014 4:48pm  
You walk into a Department store such as Macy's or Target and there in front of you male employees wearing dangling earrings your children are asking mommy he has earrings what would you think?
Lysannus
posted 5-Nov-2014 5:08am  
I wouldn't think anything of it if the child was say under 6, then I would use that moment to explain to him/her to look beyond the outward appearance and see the inner person.

I never stopped any of my kids from doing anything transitory when they were growing up. They wanted to dye their hair orange and green and shave it bald on one side that was their choice. I may have pointed out to them that they might be made fun of but I would not stop them. Piercing were another thing that if they wanted to try it I would supply them with the information about the dangers of some getting infected if not taken care of properly, but if they still wanted them I would take them to a professional (not those fly-by-night ones in the mall) where they used hollow needles and not the piercing guns, and were a sanitary place. The only thing I drew the line at was tattoos, they would have to wait till they were 18. Most reputable places here require that you be 18 anyways.
Phoebe25
posted 18-Nov-2014 2:32am  
Earrings yes, in the ears. Those gauge things, neither sex.
Lysannus
(reply to Phoebe25) posted 18-Nov-2014 5:15am  
Yes I am not keen on those huge gauge hoops they stretch the lobes out with. Looks a bit blech when they are removed.
Piercing any other place than the ears well I am not against, not something I would do.
Last one I saw was this couple I worked with a few years back, they must of had 40-50 in the face,
I just couldn't help myself and asked, "If they lost a fight with a nail gun."
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