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essay18-Sep-2010politics/religionLJD by votes28242.6%


What do you think of this "Green" agenda tactic?

I saw a short snippet of this story on Fox News.
'The best slaves are those that THINK they are free'

Is someone out behind your house digging through your trash? Don't worry, it
is probably just the government. When Audi ran their now famous "Green
Police" commercial during the Super Bowl last year, most Americans laughed
it off and thought that nothing like that could *ever* happen in America.
Well, it turns out that it *is* happening in America. A growing number of
U.S. cities are actually putting RFID tracking chips in trash cans and
recycling bins and are starting to fine residents who do not recycle
"properly". This kind of thing has been going on over in the U.K. for some
time now, but very few people expected those living in "the land of the
free" to be subjected to RFID trash tracking so quickly. But it is here.
In many areas, government RFID tracker chips will now be monitoring what you
throw away, how much you throw away and if you are recycling properly.
Rather than spending money on things that will actually get the U.S. economy
headed in the right direction, government officials across America seem
obsessed with forcing the "green agenda" down the throats of the American
people - even if it means chasing factories, jobs and economic activity out
of their communities.

Not that there is anything wrong with recycling. I personally recycle large
amounts of trash each week. But there is a *huge* difference between
recycling as a free individual and being coerced by law to adhere to the
sustainable development policies of the United Nations. The truth is
that "Agenda 21" is being pushed down all of our throats whether we like it or not.
It is all part of the Big Brother police state control grid which is being implemented
in the name of "saving the environment" and which is being paid for by "economic stimulus" money in many areas.

That's right. Government snooping on your trash apparently meets the
definition of "economic stimulus" in 2010. Perhaps this is what Barack
Obama meant when he talked about creating "green jobs". Local governments
are going to need a lot of "trash snoopers" to make certain that we are all
recycling acceptably.

In fact, John McCain almost flipped his lid when he found out
that Dayton, Ohio was given a half million dollars in
"stimulus funds" to put RFID tracking chips in recycle bins. Not that
McCain is a friend of liberty and freedom either. The truth is that the
vast majority of the politicians in Washington D.C. have been helping to
advance the "sustainable development" agenda in one way or another.

But can you imagine spending "economic stimulus" money to spy on the trash
of the American people?

No wonder all of the "stimulus packages" didn't do that much good for the
economy. In fact, the amount of waste in the stimulus packages was absolutely mind blowing.
But those 'green jobs' must be created one way or another, eh? Even if it means spying on Americans.

So now even though we are in the midst of a horrific economic downturn, lots
of communities from coast to coast have plenty of money to track our trash
with RFID microchips

Cities that are now using these chips to spy on our trash include....

*Cleveland, Ohio

*Charlotte, North Carolina

*Alexandria, Virginia

*Boise, Idaho

*Dayton, Ohio

*Flint, Michigan

Now how in the world does Flint, Michigan have money for anything?

Flint, Michigan is one of the poster children for the deindustrialization of
the United States. It is a crime-infested war zone where thousands upon
thousands of Americans live in desperate poverty.

And yet somehow they have money to monitor trash with RFID tracking chips?

It is almost as if we have stepped into "Bizarro America" where everything
is the opposite of what it should be.

Unless the American people speak up and renounce this militant green agenda
it is going to continue to be forced down our throats.

The scenes in Audi's "Green Police" commercial are not going to be so
"funny" when they start becoming real....

So far, the worst city of all for snooping on the trash of citizens is
Cleveland, Ohio. The truth is that Cleveland should be worried about how to
put hundreds of thousands of people without jobs in the region back to work,
but instead city officials seem obsessed with enforcing the radical green
agenda of the United Nations. The new RFID chips being installed will allow
Cleveland officials to monitor exactly how often residents roll their carts
out to the curb for collection.

According to news reports, if an RFID tracking chip signals that a recycle
bin has not been brought out to the curb within a certain period of time, a
"trash supervisor" will actually sort through the trash by that home for recyclables.

Yes, this is now going on in America.

So what will the penalties be?

Well, according to Waste Collection Commissioner Ronnie Owens, trash bins
that contain over 10 percent recyclable material will be subject to a $100

How ridiculous is that?

I recycle constantly, but I am sure that if I lived in Cleveland they could
get me for being over the "10 percent limit" at least half the time.

Is there anyone who could honestly say that they will be able to stay under
the 10 percent limit each and every time?

But that isn't the only fine in the new system.

If you set out an "excessive" amount of trash you will be fined between $250
and $500.

In addition, residents of Cleveland are also fined for putting out their
trash too early and for failing to bring in their garbage cans from the curb
in a timely manner.

Meanwhile, the city of Cleveland has hordes of unemployed workers and it
is literally falling apart.

How completely and utterly ridiculous can one city possibly be?

But a city that is broke has to raise money some how.

In 2009, the city of Cleveland has issued 2,900 tickets for trash
violations, which was almost five times more tickets than in 2008.

In 2010, the city of Cleveland is on track to issue over 4,000
tickets for trash violations.

One of the bizarre aspects of Cleveland's trash regulations is that it is
always the 'property owner' that receives the ticket.

That means that landlords in Cleveland are now forced to become spies in
order to ensure that their tenants follow the law.

It is almost as if we are back in East Germany once again.

Has everyone simply forgotten that we have something called the Fourth
Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?

According to the Fourth Amendment, the American people are guaranteed the
right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

But these RFID tracking chips spy on us and our trash 24 hours a day.

What has happened to America?

As more insane measures like this are implemented across the United States,
more factories, more jobs and more economic activity will continue to be
chased overseas.

Meanwhile, the "smart growth" agenda is about to get a big boost by the U.S.
Congress. Retiring Senator Christopher Dodd's last major piece of
legislation, the Livable Communities Act will create a new federal bureaucracy
to make sure that "sustainable development" principles are being followed on
every inch of land in the United States.,

This new bureaucracy, the Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities,
would be given approximately $4 billion in federal money to pressure local
governments to implement a more "green" agenda.

Not that the federal government has an extra $4 billion to throw around and
waste, but that has never stopped them before.

The truth is that the U.S. is absolutely drowning in debt and the economy is
coming apart at the seams. That is what the Congress and the White House
should be worried about.

Instead, most of our "representatives" in Washington D.C. seem to have no
trouble using "Big Brother tactics" to enforce the green agenda that so many
of them are so obsessed with.

Sadly, most Americans actually still believe that we are "free".

But we are not free. The government controls and regulates us in tens of
thousands of different ways, and each year the controls and the regulations
just get tighter and tighter. It's just that we have lost our freedoms so
slowly that most Americans have not become alarmed.

It is like the old story of the frog in the kettle. If you put a frog right
into boiling water it will hop right out.

However, if you put a frog into water that is cool and then turn up the heat
little by little it will sit there until it has boiled to death.

America, you are that frog.

It is time to hop out of the water.


posted 18-Sep-2010 7:13pm  
I reasonabled this to see the creator and the reaction.

I just finished working for the recycling department of a council which chips bins.

But, really, the council got cba over the chipping and only really used them to track bins down...

With issues like this, it's important to breathe. It's some bins. You choose to live in whatever area you live in. You are paying (taxes) for a service. Taxes are everywhere. If you don't like your area's policies, move. It really is as simple as that.

I would feel differently if this became nationwide, or if the chips were actually cameras, and the cameras homes.

This isn't 'green agenda', I don't think. What does that even mean? What's the agenda? To punish people? - that would be weird, wouldn't it? Maybe it's really to raise money from a good cause. Two birds, one stone.

This isn't really a survey response, just some thoughts. *shrug*
posted 18-Sep-2010 7:16pm  
w/r/t the East Germany comment - ironically, Germany has one of the world's highest recycling rates; and promotes that through fining 'offenders'. They are saving hundreds of potential, future lives through so-called 'fascism' - 'fascism' that only requires a two second difference between one coloured bin and another.

All this while listening to Talking Heads's '(Nothing But) Flowers' laughing out loud
bill Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Sep-2010 8:14pm  
What was the question again?

It's hard for me to relate because I pay a guy to empty my dumpster. My town doesn't have trash pick-up.
I take our recycling to the recycle center (our town has one) myself every 3-4 weeks.
Live free or die!
posted 19-Sep-2010 1:17am  
If its actually happening, this it is very bad and thank you for pointing this out. And if its not actually helping, stop using SC as your sound board to spread conspiracy theories and stop creating "surveys" which are actually the text equivalent off push polling.
posted 19-Sep-2010 1:24am  
Also, out of curiosity, how exactly are RFID chips going to help detect people who don't recycle. Unless the RFID chips are actually installed inside the items themselves, putting them inside the bins wouldn't do you any good. Whoever wrote this crap needs to take a computer science or engineering class or something.
posted 19-Sep-2010 3:00am  
This is no joke...we are traveling on a wrong path when this sort of thing takes place....very troublesome.

They are also putting RFID chips in childrens shirts in school.....

Trash cans....

posted 19-Sep-2010 12:10pm  
I don't know about the trash cans. That's pretty over the top to me. Why not just make curbside recycling more widely available, taking care of the issue wide scale? then it won't matter as much when a soda can gets thrown in the wrong bin here and there...

As for the kids jackets at school - Aren't admin supposed to always know the kids' whereabouts and movements throughout the school day anyway? I wouldn't be so much concerned about the kids' movements being tracked as I would about teachers letting the technology make them less vigilant.

"Where's Joey?"
"Don't worry, he had his chip jacket on..."
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 19-Sep-2010 12:29pm  
How did this pass qual? Talk about biased.
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 19-Sep-2010 1:33pm  
Sorry, I just wanted to see the response. And the creator.
posted 19-Sep-2010 2:16pm  
Please summarize in ten words or less.
posted 19-Sep-2010 8:44pm  
I should also add, one of my pet peeves is media which doesn't understand science and technology. This is a fine example of what not to do:

From LJD link

"If RFID records show a child moving around a lot, could she be tagged as hyper-active? If he doesn't move around a lot, could he get a reputation for laziness? How long will this data and the conclusions rightly or wrongly drawn from it be stored in these children's school records?"

No, RFID chips generally aren't good for doing something like that. RFID's don't track their own location, at least not by themselves. What you need is some external reader, such as a loop current, or some radio communicator. But in that case, you would just know that the RFID chip is nearby. You wouldn't actually know its precise location, and I doubt an RFID chip would be accurate enough to detect hyper-activity. For that, you would need a GPS device, which I assume the author was getting at. GPS and RFID are two different things.

I am kind of disappointed in EFF on this. I would have expected a lot better from them.
posted 20-Sep-2010 5:20am  
To me this seems like a waste of tax money. Where I live in NY we have had recycling for nearly 20 years (no chips needed).
The reason that it was started was that the county landfill quadrupled there charge for dumping and of course
that was passed on to the consumer. Recycling didn't cost anything to pickup so all paper, glass, plastic and
cans went in that which cut our garbage down to 1/2 a can a week or less, but we put out nearly 2 full recycling bins a week.
Which was great since a can of trash (40lb. limit) cost us $2.50.
posted 20-Sep-2010 7:03am  
What Iseult said. positive
posted 20-Sep-2010 9:00am  
First of all, I believe people get the government they deserve.

This scheme will only result in waste being dumped illegally all over the place. If you are going to be fined for putting out too much garbage, people will burn it or dump it in parks or vacant blocks.

A lot of "green" policy is not thought out at all. One city in Australia banned plastic bags at supermarkets, so people who used to used these plastic shopping bags as bin liners then had to buy plastic bin liners, with the first thing to go into the bin being the bag the bin liners came in. Result, more plastic than ever.

The stick approach is rarely as effective as the carrot.
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 20-Sep-2010 9:03am  
AT least this survey didn't have a person's name mentioned, which I always thought was against SC policy.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
(reply to Liss) posted 20-Sep-2010 10:49am  
You just wanted to force your "survey" agenda down our throats! We just think we're free!
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 20-Sep-2010 10:52am  
that's 'we just think we're free, ma'am' to you
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
(reply to Liss) posted 20-Sep-2010 11:03am  
I'm older than you, you young punk! Kids these days don't know how to speak properly to their elders!
posted 21-Sep-2010 11:44pm  
Our garbage can is full of used cat litter. I hope they stick their nose in there and take a giant whiff.
jettles Survey Central Subscriber
posted 25-Sep-2010 6:03pm  
OH MY GOD......... could you just not have listed the websites and let us decide the commentary for ourselves!! WOW!!
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator This user is on the site NOW (6 minutes ago)
posted 31-Oct-2010 7:41pm  
I'm not reading all that. I think it's likely to be biased when it follows a question about "green agenda tactics".
posted 19-Mar-2011 2:06am  
I have so much to say about RFID that there isn't enough room here to type it all...
posted 25-Nov-2012 7:56pm  
It sounds like a fine idea, it is too bad that (with all that verbiage) you never really explained how it works.

... I did get a vague idea.

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