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Do you think bigotry and religion go hand in hand?




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14No
10Yes
8In some cases
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bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 1-Mar-2010 7:32am  
I see correlation though that may not indicate causation. It could just be that humans have a tendency to be both religious and bigoted. So, we see them both together fairly often. But, religion may not cause bigotry or vice-versa.
gambler Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 1-Mar-2010 8:36am  
Like I said, only if that hand belongs to a Black Man.............  * smile *
jettles Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
posted 1-Mar-2010 9:15am  
in some cases yes.
Liss
posted 1-Mar-2010 10:00am  
Yes, but I also thing that bigotry is a many-handed man.
FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
posted 1-Mar-2010 10:19am  
I think bigotry goes hand in hand with a LOT of things.
Galomorro Survey Qualifier
posted 1-Mar-2010 10:55am  
Yes, most of the time. Like in my experience, some people might seem nice enough when you first talk to them, but then the person will start going on about things that are racist, anti-gay, etc. and they'll start talking about their religion and try to convert you...
Icarus
posted 1-Mar-2010 12:27pm  
No, I don't think so.
was_Frostbrand
posted 1-Mar-2010 1:22pm  
More often than not, yes.

But it also come from bad experiences that lead to false extrapolation, i.e. one time you get mugged by a young black male, and as result you come to hate and fear ALL young black males to the point where if one asks you for directions you freak and try to reach for a weapon.
LindaH Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 1-Mar-2010 2:53pm  
Sometimes. But so do a lot of social norms.
JessicaWoman99 Double Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 1-Mar-2010 3:09pm  
No i would say not
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 1-Mar-2010 4:48pm  
No. Too often the one is used to justify the other, but bigotry is not an essential characteristic of religion.
LJD Gold Qualifier
posted 1-Mar-2010 6:49pm  
Yes, and rightfully so.
Iseult Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 1-Mar-2010 7:37pm  
No.

Brian is an atheist.
llamamama Happy Birthday to Me
posted 1-Mar-2010 9:32pm  
Um, no. I am not a bigot.

Now, that said sometimes religious people are bigots..But they're the crazy ones..The ones that often times leave a bad taste in people's mouths..I totally don't mean that literally.
How can it go hand in hand sometimes? Isn't hand in hand..like, it always goes together? Or is this an on again off again relationship?
llamamama Happy Birthday to Me
(reply to Iseult) posted 1-Mar-2010 9:33pm  
> No.
>
> Brian is an atheist.

I chortled when I read this.  * yes *
FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
(reply to llamamama) posted 2-Mar-2010 7:10am  
I don't think the word 'chortled' is used enough. I like it. I'm going to try to use it today in conversation.
Jody
posted 2-Mar-2010 11:30am  
I attend a Baptist church that has members from over a dozen nations. So no.
llamamama Happy Birthday to Me
(reply to FordGuy) posted 2-Mar-2010 12:37pm  
It really isn't. I'm glad you're going to use it!
Iseult Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to llamamama) posted 2-Mar-2010 6:28pm  
 * smile *
Crayons
posted 3-Mar-2010 12:25am  
When people have control of other people-
FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
(reply to llamamama) posted 3-Mar-2010 7:06am  
Well beer in hand down at the race shop yesterday I snuck it into conversation... it resulted in many puzzled looks!  * laughing out loud * Stupid uneducated red necks I hang out with, huh?  * grin *
llamamama Happy Birthday to Me
(reply to FordGuy) posted 3-Mar-2010 9:17am  
 * laughing out loud *
I went with my dad to buy a necklace for my mom for Valentines day..and I looked at one and said, "My, that necklace looks quaint." And the lady said, "Wow, that's a big word for such a youngin'"

Then when we were leaving I asked her how old she thought I was...And she said 16.."But people probably think you're 13, right?" So, I know she was lying. She thought I was 13, not 16.
Ouch.
FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
(reply to llamamama) posted 3-Mar-2010 11:36am  
It's not bad to look young. Some day you'll even appreciate it!
llamamama Happy Birthday to Me
(reply to FordGuy) posted 3-Mar-2010 12:34pm  
Yeah, I know. It's just really bad sometimes haha

autumnlight
posted 3-Mar-2010 5:14pm  
They seem to have that tendency - but of course that is a mass generalisation. My housemate is religious and is nowhere near being a bigot.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
posted 3-Mar-2010 5:44pm  
Most supposedly religious people are the most bigoted. Kinda goes against being a "Christian".
kaleb777
posted 5-Mar-2010 5:37am  
Completely. When you consider the slave trade was justified with Bible passages, religious societies subjugate women, discriminate against gays (or kill them), teach kids to hate people from different religions - religion is all about hate and exclusion.

Look at the Mormons and Prop H8 in CA. They went so far as to try and hide their involvement because they know they are bigots. Mormons also tried to squash the ERA for women's rights and opposed the civil rights movement for racial rights. Catholics also support discrimination against gays. All evidence points to religion being the greatest driver of bigotry in the world.
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 5-Mar-2010 5:45am  
You know in some religious societies, you would have to wear a bag over your head and not be permitted to drive, vote, attend school, or do much at all except make babies and dinner. Some Christians believe this should be the case too, minus the bag. Perhaps you are enjoying your freedom today because the non-religious people fought church dogma that branded women less than men. The Bible has passages that state women should be silent in meetings. Are you silent in meetings, or do you act in an irreligious manner, being a woman and all?
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to kaleb777) posted 5-Mar-2010 5:57pm  
We all know that men and women have different purposes, but both equally important. God said that man shall love woman as Christ loved the church. A woman to love and respect her husband. Both to put each others feelings before their own. The problem is when man or woman selfishly does not follow these principles. We both can agree it is the female body that can only produce babies. And in Proverbs it says a woman shall take care of the kitchen....and I have no problem with that. Man and woman are to complement each other, not compete. Man and woman should each know their place, do their duties. A man and woman should not demean their loved ones before others.
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 6-Mar-2010 7:47am  
So do you talk in church?
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to kaleb777) posted 6-Mar-2010 12:06pm  
No. I think the scripture was referring to women "chattering", perhaps gossiping while in church....which is not appropriate. It would be no different than if people were chatting, and disturbing a conference, making a distraction.
Gomezy3k
posted 7-Mar-2010 9:05am  
Religion would be fine if it were not for those who follow the religion. Most religious people are idiots. "God protect me from those who worship you!" should be said daily LOL.
rustygirl50
posted 7-Mar-2010 3:26pm  
YES
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 8-Mar-2010 4:59pm  
1 Corinthians 14:34 (King James Version)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law."

It's pretty simple. I says women are not permitted to speak. Nothing about gossip or chatter. Does your church allow women to address the congregation?

Christians very conveniently ignore passages they don't feel they should obey, while using the Bible to attack others. If you believe in the Bible, you should be living it to the letter, otherwise the application of any commandments is arbitrary and open to abuse.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to kaleb777) posted 9-Mar-2010 1:40am  
I think you're not understanding the language of the day....or considering it. I think you're misinterpreting the Bible.

There is scripture that talks of waters...which may mean people. Different objects sometimes mean people. Words can have different meanings. Consider the context of the scripture. I remember the scripture you are quoting being explained by a pastor, as what I described. I've never been in a church headed by a woman.

WOMEN ARE NOT CATTLE....they are not mindless. Men and women are to complement each other. They have comparable worth, their roles in life are different, and should be respected. If men feel they have to tromp a woman to make themselves a man.....they are not my idea of a man. I do believe a woman should submit to a man on major issues, and decisions, but should counsel with his wife...that is Biblical.



ASB
posted 9-Mar-2010 12:10pm  
I was robbed at gunpoint by young black males not once but by the same young gun pointing black males twice on two different mornings 1 month apart. As a result I think all black males are theives and robbers in my mind. I assume these things all the time at work and it is often right but I am sure sometimes it is not. So you could call me a bigot if you want or you could see that I am traumatized which is actually the truth. And I am religious so i could see why some people may think that of others but really one has nothing to do with the other which I think is often the case.
Icarus
posted 9-Mar-2010 7:42pm  
Bigotry is a characteristic of human beings in general. Since some human beings are religious, it only follows that some religious people would also be bigots. However, there are also some non-religious people who are also bigots. If someone is saying that religion and bigotry go hand in hand then I think they are also being bigots by concluding that all religious people are bigots. A bigot is someone who groups everyone of one nationality, religion, sex, etc. into one pre-defined category and assumes that they are all the same.
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 10-Mar-2010 4:39am  
The Pastor you listened to is misinterpreting the scripture. The verse following confirms that women should be silent in church....

1 Corinthians 14:34,35

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

CLEARLY women are to never talk in church for the scripture states that if they have a question they should ask their husbands AT HOME. How can you interpret these statements differently? There is no hidden meaning here, no parable. It's adamant and VERY clear. What new, watered-down version of the Bible do you read?

Again, you miss my point. You use the Bible to attack people you hate, as do most people who claim to follow Jesus, yet at the same time you ignore any passages that make you feel uncomfortable, instead using SECULAR standards of behavior to live by.

If you use ANY part of the Old Testament to justify an attack on others, you should yourself abide by the OT in its entirety, else you are a hypocrite.

Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to kaleb777) posted 10-Mar-2010 5:59pm  
Kaleb....I don't hate anyone...those are your words.

I understand the scripture, and don’t believe the scripture you are discussing means what you say. It means “chattering, gossip, distracting” conversation amongst women. The pastor I study with says this is what the scripture means. As I say I’m not a scholar on the Bible…I am learning. Scripture wording does not always mean “literally” what it says. You have to know the language of those times, and author.

It appears Muslim men are intimidated by women. They are not to be treated as animals or children.

I know God loves men and women alike. The man is to be the headship, and to love the woman, and respect her. Likewise for the woman, she is to love and respect her husband. Two heads make for a monster...only one can be a headship. The headship takes responsibility, a fairness for the family. A wise woman would submit willingly. I have no problem with that.

I am not attacking anyone. Others around the world are attacking us. I can get along with about anyone...go into any room and make conversation.

God told us we'll have an enemy against us. Genesis 3:15. Who do you think that enemy is? They're Satan's children causing chaos. Do you feel we should not protect ourselves?
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 10-Mar-2010 9:33pm  
1 Corinthians 14:35 says that if women want to learn any thing, to ask their husbands at home. It is not talking about gossip, or chatter. The two verses are VERY clear. If the women want to LEARN, they should ask any questions AT HOME for they are NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK. Speak - To utter words or articulate sounds. Use of the word "learn" means the verses are talking about the need to ask questions about what is being taught or preached in church. There is no room for misinterpretation. There is no mention of gossip or chatter AT ALL.

Your Pastor is not telling the truth here. He/she is embarrassed that this restriction on women participating fully in the church is part of the Bible which you claim to believe in 100%. There is no wiggle room. The verses are completely clear , and they ARE NOT what your Pastor claims them to be.

The enemy of Christians is themselves. You KNOW FULL WELL that there are commandments in the Bible that if you obeyed them you would be arrested. There are other commandments such as the one we are discussing that would not fit well in modern SECULAR society. It is illegal outside religion to discriminate against women in most countries. Places where women are discriminated against are places where religion is law. The equality women enjoy today in the West is because Western nations have MOVED AWAY from the silly notions taught in the Bible. Even if your Pastor's interpretation is correct, the Bible is still discriminating against women, saying that it's not OK for women to "chatter" (your word) yet men chatter and gossip too. Does your Pastor believe men are free to catch up with each other while women must speak only about church? Your lifestyle as a Western woman is only available to you because intelligent and fair minded people have abandoned the bigotry religion teaches. The more religious a country is, the LESS rights and freedoms women have.Why do you believe that is a good thing?

Islam today was Christianity 500 years ago. As people grew more enlightened, they stopped obeying parts of the Bible they saw as no longer applying. Christians today cherry-pick the scriptures they like, and ignore the rest. Are those sections of the Bible that support slavery still true or not? If they are true, go to church this week and (if you believe women are permitted to speak) advocate a return to slavery. If the parts of the Bible that support slavery are no longer truth, then what makes you think ANY of this book should be applied to people today? Where is it written in your scriptures when we are no longer required to obey certain commandments? Why are you not stoning people for adultery? Where is your commitment to this book that you claim is the word of God?!?!?!
kaleb777
(reply to LJD) posted 10-Mar-2010 9:33pm  
1 Corinthians 14:35 says that if women want to learn any thing, to ask their husbands at home. It is not talking about gossip, or chatter. The two verses are VERY clear. If the women want to LEARN, they should ask any questions AT HOME for they are NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK. Speak - To utter words or articulate sounds. Use of the word "learn" means the verses are talking about the need to ask questions about what is being taught or preached in church. There is no room for misinterpretation. There is no mention of gossip or chatter AT ALL.

Your Pastor is not telling the truth here. He/she is embarrassed that this restriction on women participating fully in the church is part of the Bible which you claim to believe in 100%. There is no wiggle room. The verses are completely clear , and they ARE NOT what your Pastor claims them to be.

The enemy of Christians is themselves. You KNOW FULL WELL that there are commandments in the Bible that if you obeyed them you would be arrested. There are other commandments such as the one we are discussing that would not fit well in modern SECULAR society. It is illegal outside religion to discriminate against women in most countries. Places where women are discriminated against are places where religion is law. The equality women enjoy today in the West is because Western nations have MOVED AWAY from the silly notions taught in the Bible. Even if your Pastor's interpretation is correct, the Bible is still discriminating against women, saying that it's not OK for women to "chatter" (your word) yet men chatter and gossip too. Does your Pastor believe men are free to catch up with each other while women must speak only about church? Your lifestyle as a Western woman is only available to you because intelligent and fair minded people have abandoned the bigotry religion teaches. The more religious a country is, the LESS rights and freedoms women have.Why do you believe that is a good thing?

Islam today was Christianity 500 years ago. As people grew more enlightened, they stopped obeying parts of the Bible they saw as no longer applying. Christians today cherry-pick the scriptures they like, and ignore the rest. Are those sections of the Bible that support slavery still true or not? If they are true, go to church this week and (if you believe women are permitted to speak) advocate a return to slavery. If the parts of the Bible that support slavery are no longer truth, then what makes you think ANY of this book should be applied to people today? Where is it written in your scriptures when we are no longer required to obey certain commandments? Why are you not stoning people for adultery? Where is your commitment to this book that you claim is the word of God?!?!?!
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