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This is a question for the atheists in the crowd.

If there is no God, no after-life, no heaven or hell...then why not just do whatever you feel like in life? Rape, kill, and pillage..why not? What stops you? If you are just maggot-feed at the end of the day, then why bother?

 


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LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 24-Sep-2012 1:24pm  
I hate this sort of question with a passion. It is SO obvious...

Let me ask you - if you didn't have a religion or a belief in a supreme being, would you still have a conscience? Would you do the right thing for its own sake? If not, you are stuck at a young (before the age of reason) child's stage of moral reasoning.
dab
posted 24-Sep-2012 2:08pm  
I find the question kinda interesting, actually. Not the question itself but the mindset that would allow someone to think this is a reasonable question in the first place is intriguing.

Look, if this is the only life I get then it only makes sense that I'd want it to be as good as possible. Only a sociopath would need fear of a higher power in an afterlife to act decently in this life. A friend and I had a discussion a while back debating whether the societal purpose of religion is really just to keep sociopaths under control.
LJD
posted 24-Sep-2012 2:49pm  
Good question!

In reality seeing the younger folks today, I can really see what the ungodly public school system, entertainment world, broken families, has done.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 24-Sep-2012 2:50pm  
I find it disturbing when religious people raise this question. Causing other people to suffer makes me feel bad. I think it's commonly called a conscience or compassion or empathy. Also, the golden rule. I don't actually want to rape, kill or pillage. Helping people instead of hurting them makes me feel good. Also, what stops me... well, there's the law. I don't want to go to prison.

I think the concept of heaven and hell are absurd. Neither place sounds appealing to me. They were clearly invented as a myth to scare people into behaving. But, the concept is flawed in that it's better for people to choose to treat other people humanly than scaring them into doing it. Love > Fear.
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to bill) posted 24-Sep-2012 2:59pm  
This same concept can be applied to raising kids. It is better to teach kids to want to do the right thing than to raise them to fear punishment if they don't.
Galomorro
posted 24-Sep-2012 3:01pm  
So why do people have to look TO some mystical, imaginary deity in some kinda "heaven" or wherever just to know how they should behave, treat others, not kill people, not be cruel to animals, not steal from others, etc.? What's "maggot-feed"? It's up to parents, educators, etc. to train kids how to act in public, not to bully others, or else they will get in trouble with the law and other people. Sorry, but I do not think it's up to belief in a certain kind of religion to make a person act civilly. I certainly do not believe in a "heaven" or "hell" -- unless hell is a synonym for a few bosses I've had smile -- or some ol' dude in the sky that says, if you don't do this or that I will getcha. To me, conventional religion harms MUCH more than it helps. Look at history: treatment of blacks, women, etc. presumably because god told them to do because this or that kind of human was inferior to them and needed to be "kept in their place" or something. If they want to believe in a certain religion or belief because they feel comfortable doing so, fine. But it seems to me that the overly religious are to blame for a huge amount of bad stuff going on these days. As for myself, I'm a Buddhist and meditate daily -- but do not believe there's some prejudiced, vengeful "god" out there who tells me that gay marriage is wrong, that birth control is wrong, that "god" only wants you to date people of the same ethnic group as yourself, etc.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to LindaH) posted 24-Sep-2012 3:11pm  
Yeah.
jen Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 24-Sep-2012 3:38pm  
being a good person is not necessarily predicated on religious belief. egalitarian thought and behavior is a worthy pursuit regardless of faith.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to dab) posted 24-Sep-2012 5:48pm  
Note survey creator's username. smile
LJD
posted 24-Sep-2012 6:27pm  
2 Timothy 3:1-5

1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.

3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.

4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof; from such turn away.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
posted 24-Sep-2012 6:46pm  
Your assumption then is that people who believe in God don't rape, kill and pillage because they're afraid of hell, or consequences? Totally wrong. Believing, or not believing in God has nothing to do with crime.

Mmm, one could argue believers would make up the majority of criminals because all they have to do is ask God for forgiveness and be saved.

Criminals are made by a variety/combination of things: genetics, childhood, environment, opportunity, mental condition, etc.
Galomorro
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 24-Sep-2012 7:08pm  
> Your assumption then is that people who believe
> in God don't rape, kill and pillage because they're
> afraid of hell, or consequences? Totally wrong.
> Believing, or not believing in God has nothing
> to do with crime.
>
> Mmm, one could argue believers would make up the
> majority of criminals because all they have to
> do is ask God for forgiveness and be saved.
>
> Criminals are made by a variety/combination of
> things: genetics, childhood, environment, opportunity,
> mental condition, etc.

Definitely agree with you here.
southernyankee
posted 24-Sep-2012 7:17pm  
meh! How did this pass qual? I am personally not an atheist, but such false innuendos are uncalled for. Adding a question mark to a statement doesn't make it any less inflammatory, and if anything it makes worse. Also, in addition to the fear of getting arrested and thrown in prison, most people are decent enough not to do those things.
dab
(reply to bill) posted 24-Sep-2012 8:42pm  
Seems apropos.
llamamama
posted 24-Sep-2012 8:46pm  
I'm not an atheist..But, it seems to me, it'd be more fun to be maggot-feed outside than to be maggot-feed in a jail cell.

From a Christians point of view: God gives everyone a conscience. Not believing in Him or not doesn't nullify that. It seems kind of absurd to think so. Everyone still does bad things, and of course there are murderers and similar people out there..But obviously most people in the world aren't like that...regardless of their religious beliefs (unless there was some kind of religion that jived for killing people).
LJD
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 24-Sep-2012 11:59pm  
Only God knows our heart.

Yes, I agree with your last sentence, crime is the result of many things....but I think belief in God is a deterrent. Some people, for some reasons are mentally sick. God is the only one that knows the heart and mind.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 25-Sep-2012 8:08am  
Cops man.
Dino
posted 25-Sep-2012 8:16am  
Because life is worth living every day - not wasting on making the world a harsher place. Waking up each day and recognising that this may be your last as you slowly hurtle towards death is quite motivating. Believing in the after-life makes you lazy and complacent and accepting of the pollution and poverty and raping and killing and pillaging, because.... hey... you can always sort it out in the safe comforting eternal after-life.
Zang
posted 25-Sep-2012 9:31am  
It's not a very good one. The implication seems to be that the only thing keeping the rest of us in line is the threat of Big Daddy in the Sky. That certainly doesn't paint a very bright picture.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 25-Sep-2012 10:59am  
Ugh. Really?

If you believe that religion alone is the source of all morality and ethics, then you are exceptionally naive and uneducated.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 25-Sep-2012 11:11am  
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 25-Sep-2012 11:54am  
LJD
posted 25-Sep-2012 12:25pm  
Folks, it all boils down to one thing....God and his basic design. You can try to dance around it, put a humanist outlook on it. ....you can't escape God and his plans.
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 25-Sep-2012 9:02pm  
The survey is more about your reasons for doing the right thing. Fear of punishment is a very low-level reason. People should WANT to do the right thing, whether or not there would be any punishment.
LJD
(reply to LindaH) posted 25-Sep-2012 11:47pm  
You're right people should want to do the right thing.
SensesFail
posted 26-Sep-2012 12:06am  
im not exactly an atheist, but they probably dont rape and kill because if they only have one life, why spend it in prison? that question kind of sucks.
Irene007
posted 26-Sep-2012 2:31am  
I'm not an atheist but I can still answer; we are wired to be the social creatures that we are; philanthropic and altruistic. What's wrong with doing good while you can when you're alive and make someone else's plight easier? I think that acts of kindness that come from the heart, with no promise of reward (such as Heaven), are much more valuable.
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 26-Sep-2012 2:44am  
> So why do people have to look TO some mystical, imaginary deity in
> some kinda "heaven" or wherever just to know how they should behave,
> treat others, not kill people, not be cruel to animals, not steal
> from others, etc.? What's "maggot-feed"? It's up to parents, educators,
> etc. to train kids how to act in public, not to bully others, or else
> they will get in trouble with the law and other people. Sorry, but
> I do not think it's up to belief in a certain kind of religion to
> make a person act civilly. I certainly do not believe in a "heaven"
> or "hell" -- unless hell is a synonym for a few bosses I've had smile
> -- or some ol' dude in the sky that says, if you don't do this or
> that I will getcha. To me, conventional religion harms MUCH more than
> it helps. Look at history: treatment of blacks, women, etc. presumably
> because god told them to do because this or that kind of human was
> inferior to them and needed to be "kept in their place" or something.
> If they want to believe in a certain religion or belief because they
> feel comfortable doing so, fine. But it seems to me that the overly
> religious are to blame for a huge amount of bad stuff going on these
> days. As for myself, I'm a Buddhist and meditate daily -- but do not
> believe there's some prejudiced, vengeful "god" out there who tells
> me that gay marriage is wrong, that birth control is wrong, that "god"
> only wants you to date people of the same ethnic group as yourself,
> etc.

We really are wired to act the way we do but some people are wired differently. Evolution has made us social animals, we depend on each other though our present society has sadly made it that we can be isolated among our own brethren. Sociopaths, like serial killers, are "wired" differently and may behave normally all their lives but some may experience events that trigger their murderous actions. It's rather frequent to find that the common denominator in serial killers is having a zealously religious parent. That's not to say that all religious zealots will breed serial killers, nor that children who have been molested will become molesters but some children, wired as they are and exposed to such mental abuse will be triggered by it. The mind is a malleable substance but it's also predetermined with a set of programmed rules...
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 26-Sep-2012 11:21am  
Good points. I can understand since I am "wired differently" myself. I'm not a social person and since I was a little kid have always had trouble seeing things like others did. Are you a psychiatrist or something similar? Fortunately neither parent was overly religious. They were not religious at all. They gave lip service, as in barely mentioning it, as being Methodists. The more I got proselytized to from others, the more I rejected it. Your comments suggest themes for "thriller" books and films. Anyway, interesting subject matter.
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 26-Sep-2012 5:56pm  
You have to be a little bit crazy to be a psychiatrist and I'm too balanced for that! wink However, I've always been fascinated by how the mind works (as well as everything else in the world!) and I do believe that some psychological traits are inherited, some are shaped by life experience and some are from different 'wiring'. We're not as in control of our beings as we'd like to think; we're subjected to hormones, genetic traits and our environments. Knowing this, I understand that people don't 'chose' to be gay, no more than they chose to be born with blue or brown eyes. It has more to do with hormonal balance when the fetus is developing. I also think that we're wired to believe in an afterlife simply because we die, otherwise; what would be the point of living. Our existence is mostly the need for DNA to reproduce - we're even wired to do that. If you consider it all; we're nothing but a society of cells living symbiotically and that society tells you when you're hungry, when you're tired and etc... We don't decide much for ourselves, really...
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 26-Sep-2012 9:34pm  
Well good to hear you're someone who doesn't believe that people "choose" to be gay... Your posts are interesting!
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 26-Sep-2012 11:38pm  
Making a conscious choice to be gay? That's so ludicrous! Who the hell would chose to be ostracized by a society that mostly sees it as being an illness of the mind? It's not a lifestyle, it's not a choice one makes; it's a fact of life. What is often seen as imperfections are really part of this perfect world. If you stand back and look at the whole picture logically; everything makes sense - even what appears to be abnormal or flawed. What we see as imperfect is an intrinsic part of perfection. How can perfection exist without imperfections - and I don't mean for comparison to what is perceived as perfect. Ex.: You see a herd of zebras on the Savannah, you notice that one animal has been previously attacked and is now lame. With the narrow vision that humans have; that animal would seem as an imperfection within the herd but in fact; it's a benefit and will help keep the others alive because it will be the mark for the next predator's attack. The predator is also a living being that needs to survive so the easy mark will benefit the lion's pride as well. We have to stand back and look at the big picture sometimes. Evolution plays a big part in shaping who and what we are at all levels, regardless if you're vegetable or mammal. Evolution has no mind, it doesn't think, it just happens. It's trial and error, some stuff works and some doesn't, some mutations recur in different species and some repeat in the same species or are passed on genetically. If it's really detrimental to the survival of the creature; it will naturally die off. Since there have been gay people forever; it can't be detrimental to anyone's survival, so... wink
The funny thing about mutations is that some may be beneficial and at the same time deadly - sickle cell anemia is a good example. If you carry a single gene for this mutation and you live in tropical areas; your resistance to malaria is improved but if you carry the two genes - your life expectancy is reduced. It's a mutation that evolved within a population that benefited from it so it was naturally passed on and as more of this population survived with this gene; it's only normal that eventually both parents will carry the same gene and pass it on to their children which will make them sick. It's one of those 'pot-luck' mutations... It's good and bad.
Weren't we talking about psychology? winking raspberry
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 26-Sep-2012 11:56pm  
yes
Maarten
posted 27-Sep-2012 5:07am  
Like if atheists don't have any moral. rolls eyes
At least we don't follow a book full of murder, rape and violence.
Everyman
posted 27-Sep-2012 8:02am  
This is a very shallow question that i refuse to reply to
Everyman
(reply to bill) posted 27-Sep-2012 8:04am  
haha!!
Everyman
posted 27-Sep-2012 8:17am  
I can't understand why it's impossible to see the morality of human life unless we look outside that life. Morality is an intrinsic value to human life. i swear to God it is
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 27-Sep-2012 9:31am  
I was listening to this video this morning and thought of you - it mentions how homosexuality made it onto the DSM and was then taken off again, both cases were for political reasons...
What a scam!
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 27-Sep-2012 11:17am  
> I was listening to this video this morning and
> thought of you - it mentions how homosexuality
> made it onto the DSM and was then taken off again,
> both cases were for political reasons...
> What a scam!
>

Well sure! Anything for money... anything they can do to gyp the gullible public. I for one have never trusted psychiatrists or psychologists anyway. Even if I'd been rich/with insurance and could afford their nasty prices. What's NOT involved with politics these days? Thanks!
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 27-Sep-2012 11:52am  
Besides, I have never met anyone who studied psychology who wasn't a little bit 'touched' themselves. They seem to be attracted to it as if trying to find a solution for their own mental problems. I like to see how the brain works rather than trying to understand people's actions - strangely enough; their actions are rather predictable. Trust me, we've been studied enough by marketers to know how to get us to do what they want and it's not like politicians don't use the same knowledge... wry smile
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 27-Sep-2012 12:23pm  
> Besides, I have never met anyone who studied psychology
> who wasn't a little bit 'touched' themselves.
> They seem to be attracted to it as if trying
> to find a solution for their own mental problems.
> I like to see how the brain works rather than
> trying to understand people's actions - strangely
> enough; their actions are rather predictable.
> Trust me, we've been studied enough by marketers
> to know how to get us to do what they want and
> it's not like politicians don't use the same knowledge...
> wry smile

Marketing interests me. Why certain people are moved by certain ads and even want to buy whatever it is. I'm registered with several commercial survey companies and they often sometimes ask questions like "Would you want to see this commercial again" or similar. Jeez. I can't imagine wanting to see any kind of commercial over again. It's bad enough to try to pay attention to the ones they ask in surveys. I used to deliberately leave the room whenever a commercial came on when I had a TV. But then most of the stuff I see, including ads on public transport shelters or above the bus windows that I look at cuz I'm so bored riding the slow buses, don't apply to me or my lifestyle. Not even most of the ones on Facebook. I enjoy reading marketing books from the library when I can find 'em and if they're up to date but see very little like this.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD, LindaH, LJD, LJD, LJD) posted 27-Sep-2012 6:51pm  
Very good question indeed and what people need to hear because our children they need God and Jesus in their lives and it will help them to do the right thing and to stay out of trouble with God in their lives and the way I was raised and brought up in this world, I come from a Christian family
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 27-Sep-2012 7:01pm  
I grew up without religion, and turned out fine, knowing right from wrong.
they Survey Central Subscriber
posted 27-Sep-2012 10:28pm  
Is the only thing that makes you act like a good person a fear of hell?
LJD
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 28-Sep-2012 12:01am  
It is discipline, with love, that teaches children. God gave us instruction, if we don't follow the rules, we, in essence, are punishing ourselves. It is a parent's duty to teach, and discipline when needed.
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 12:27am  
Oye! You want to watch this talk by Jean Killbourne "Killing Us Softly". It touches mostly about the portrayal of women in advertising through the years and how it has shaped the image we have of ourselves today - men are not unaffected either. It's very interesting and it's all about marketing but, it's the darker side of it. To say that we're unaffected by advertising is ludicrous. I've recently posted (somewhere on SC) how walked through my local pharmacy and consciously tried to avoid any kind of marketing. I had to walk with my eyes on the floor and it would have helped to have been wearing blinders. Everywhere we go, we're bombarded with advertising. It doesn't matter if you're a potential customer, the important thing is the 'branding'. If an ad is effective, you will remember the product regardless of the fact that you're not a potential buyer but you may suggest it to someone you think might need it. Store shelves are strategic, bus stops are for the bored, billboards on highways distract drivers, you can't even go to a restroom anymore without some kind of ad on the back of the door of your stall or a video right over the air blower - they're even in elevators, for christsakes!
The irony of it all is that I'm in advertising... The graphic arts end of it but I've always had a knack for it - I know what image I need to design to sell a product to a certain group. Maybe that's why I'm so revolted by advertising... I will admit that I do appreciate good and creative campaigns but I never lose the fact that it's all a mind game to get you to do their bidding...
Take a look at this and let me know what you think; (by the way psychology or rather, how the brain works, is studied to have the best impact with an advertising campaign)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199336850...
Irene007
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Sep-2012 12:28am  
> I grew up without religion, and turned out fine, knowing right from
> wrong.

Ditto!
Irene007
(reply to they) posted 28-Sep-2012 12:29am  
> Is the only thing that makes you act like a good person a fear of
> hell?

That was my point - a selfless act to help someone is much better than the same action done just to save your place in heaven... That's hypocrisy...
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 1:13am  
I just watched that video again - I think it's the 4th time. It's rather funny at times but it does illustrate how advertising does affect us. It made me realize that my designs emulate the trends even though I don't like them...
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 2:21am  
I just wanted to send you another video (I hope you have time to watch them - I have two monitors so I listen to them more than I watch as I work). This one is about the brain - the type of information I like and it's not about psychology. Since the Genome Project, discoveries have come in leaps and bounds and the same can be said about the understanding of the human brain. It's all relative and it's quite fascinating. In part 3 of 4 or this video; our belief in religion is explored as well. I hope you can have the time to watch it.
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 1:45pm  
Well often I do take time out to watch videos, like this one. Don't always like to take the time - rather hyper and don't like to just sit there doing nothing for more than a few minutes unless a film is really interesting. But then I can always pause it and get up and move around when I want. I have to put on headphones to watch films and videos as otherwise I can't hear them. Speakers would disturb the neighbors as they'd have to be too loud due to my being hearing impaired. Sometimes when taking commercial surveys, they ask you to watch videos. Like commercials for diff. propositions to be voted on. So I'm doing surveys sometimes listening to my own stored music and will have to turn off the music to hear the surveys' videos. This is a good one. The kind of video I used to want to see more of when I had a TV. Basic introductory education so that anyone can understand it and clear voices. This is definitely one to show in schools. I've always liked PBS stuff. Some of this stuff I'd not seen before, or read it. The conversing about religion was especially interesting. Fascinating. Thank you.
Iseult
posted 28-Sep-2012 2:21pm  
Your question is ignorant and wrong on so many levels.

If there is no God, no after-life, no heaven or hell...then why not just do whatever you feel like in life? I do whatever I want, that's for letting me know that I'm allowed to.
Rape, kill, and pillage..why not? You are ignorantly assuming that I want to rape, kill, and pillage.
What stops you? The society. The legal system. Knowing that it's wrong and that it's causing someone harm and suffering.
If you are just maggot-feed at the end of the day, then why bother? That's kind of rude - is insulting people what they teach you in your Bible studies? (I apologize for automatically assuming you're Christian, that's very presumptuous of me.)
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 2:25pm  
The Jean Klllbourne "Killing us Softly" is excellent. Makes you really analyze those sexist ads you see even more. I hate all those high-heeled, unnatural posings in skimpy clothes I see most often of women. Cuz they're so obviously fake and demeaning to women. Women should boycott obvious sexism in ads. I laugh at them inwardly as I pass by the bus shelter ads for sexy female clothing, but obviously far too many girls and women take 'em seriously. This was even more fun and eye-opening to watch than the PBS one you recommended. It's something that practically no one ever questions or expresses disgust about - until they go just a tad over the line, like when they use very young teenagers in child-porn-type poses as exampled in the film I just watched. Then people complain. But the other more subtle stuff is just accepted too much. All women and girls should see this film! Funny at times too. She's a good speaker.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Sep-2012 6:30pm  
And yet Jean people think they are doing good without God in their lives but they really are not yes discipline you can call it tough love but people are truly lost without God and Jesus they will be judged by Jesus not God? as I do my Bible studies on God's judgments there is a judgment for all Christian believers based on what we have done, and for the unbelievers the Lake of Fire they will be thrown into it for eternity
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 9:20pm  
Lol! No TV? Nor I and my daughter told me something funny today about that fact. It never crossed my mind that my grandson (he's 5 yrs old) would notice that I don't own a television. It's true, none to be found in my house but they have watched movies and videos on my computers or laptop. They're coming over for dinner tomorrow night and my daughter was anticipating this day, now that both kids are old enough and they don't need constant attention (my grand-daughter is 3 and her brother watches her like a hawk!); they can go downstairs alone to watch a movie on my big screen (home movie thingy - I don't use it much myself...). This he's never seen and my daughter says that he's going to flip out! It would be more fun if he could hook up his Playstation (or what ever game player it is) but my son says that I'm missing a cable. I have a great system (Harman Kardon) down there; it's a shame that I hardly use it. I listen to music in my office on my son's old computer speakers that he gave me after I bought him a system for his room - which is still in place... Hmmm... I'm about to renovate my office - time to upgrade! (With the stuff downstairs!) smile
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 9:35pm  
Yes, she's a great speaker and funny too. I've watched that video many times and I still enjoy it. The problem with advertising today is that subtle encroachment on what shouldn't be acceptable. It's makes it normal and it's mind bending. As anti-religion as I may be; I do wish there was some kind of moral brakes to this seemingly normal decadence....
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 9:47pm  
I used to want to hook up my TV to play video games but back then I didn't like all the wires and clunkiness of all of it. Decided it wasn't worth it and far too expensive.
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 9:52pm  
Advertisers have to keep trying different things to get people to pay attention to what they're selling as people get more and more jaded. Everything's been done before and it takes a lot to get people to pay attention.
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 10:03pm  
I never cared for it, it was Matt's gig. Matt's my son. He moved out a year ago last March - I sure miss him! But I'm happy he's on his own. He's also coming for dinner tomorrow - he's going to help build the dog house and dog run for my new dog, Beebe. We'll all be together tomorrow - I'm looking forward to it, I have such great kids - genuine, simple, intelligent people. I'm very proud of them. smile
Matt's best friend called me yesterday, suggesting that we all get together (it's funny that I get included at their parties) for a weekend up North. I suspect that we all get along really well... smile
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 28-Sep-2012 10:04pm  
Yeah but, at what will it stop?
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 10:26pm  
I'd love to have a dog and cat again... The place I can't afford to move from doesn't allow pets...
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 28-Sep-2012 10:30pm  
It's up to people to notice and boycott, complain, etc. -- like the publicity about the ads with those young teenage girls. Really disgusting stuff - definitely demeans women. Women should probably complain a lot more and have talks with their daughters so the girls don't have to live with all those stereotypes.
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 29-Sep-2012 1:04am  
Too bad - I have a cat up for adoption; it's the one I found in my pool last spring that my dog 'adopted'. I had her spayed a couple of weeks ago but she's not my cat! I'm just taking care of her until she finds a home and I had her fixed because I don't want a bunch of kittens in my yard!
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 29-Sep-2012 1:15am  
Strangely enough; I had more talks of that nature with my son rather than with my daughter. She has a strong, 'don't mess with me' kind of character but my son was, comparatively, more introverted as a teenager. He sure has blossomed since then! Neither of my kids are... well, numb - if you get my drift. All in all, Ben and I did a pretty good job - knowing this; my only regret in life is not having had more children...
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 29-Sep-2012 11:15am  
Awwww - what a good neighbor to spay that cat!
Galomorro
(reply to Irene007) posted 29-Sep-2012 11:17am  
They sound like great kids. Congrats! More parents like you guys are what's needed today.
LJD
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 29-Sep-2012 2:06pm  
I agree with you...people are truly lost without God. The enemy within this nation will do anything to stop the Word of God, laws, wisdom.

JessicaWoman, my Bible studies give me comfort. My faith sustains me.

God bless!
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Sep-2012 2:56pm  
Yes same here my Bible studies help me to become more knowledgable about the Bible they help me to grow as a Christian and I listen to what God is telling me take care
LJD
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 29-Sep-2012 10:44pm  
The wisdom of the Bible is priceless. I'm glad to hear you're studying the Word. God bless!
Irene007
(reply to Galomorro) posted 1-Oct-2012 12:12am  
laughing out loud Not too sure about that! wink
Liss
posted 1-Oct-2012 12:54pm  
The question reads like a shout-out at a hip-hop gig.
The explanation nearly turned me! Not really.
Being good feels good.
Kristal_Rose
posted 3-Oct-2012 11:57pm  
I'm not an atheist, but I don't see how that matters.

In fact I'm more inclined to say that if there is a God, it matters less what we do. God can rescue us from our mistakes. I'm not an armageddonist, but surely that factors into their thinking.

As I think on it further, I'd bet you'd find that religion is statistically proportional with arrest records. It's an interesting question, as the answer could shut people making useless claims.

In my experience, the more Christian a person is, the less likely they are to believe that animals have emotions and consciousness one should be compassionate towards.
LJD
posted 19-Sep-2013 3:53pm  
Kristal Rose, of course, animals have emotions, I think most Christians would agree. I also think Christians believe animals deserve to be treated with loving care.
Kristal_Rose
(reply to LJD) posted 26-Sep-2013 10:12pm  
Yes, most probably would, but it's also amongst some fundamentalists where you get the most people who believe animals aren't conscious. Atheists see humans and animals as alike in that regard. Religious people are the ones who put humans on a pedestal, and come with ideas like everything exists to be hunted and exploited by man. That idea has carried over to the atheists as well though, who see us at the top for entirely different (Darwinian) reasons, but still imagine that our superior intellect gives us the right to disrespect anything beneath us.

I think for many people it's a matter of reconciling. If god intended us to be compassionate, and to eat animals, then animals must not feel pain.
LJD
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 26-Sep-2013 11:31pm  
God said the human was to have dominion over the earth and animals. We were given dietary laws in meat and herbs. God designed the human masterfully.

I think if animals are killed for food, it should be done humanely. .
Lysannus
(reply to LJD) posted 27-Sep-2013 4:50am  
> I think if animals are killed for food, it should be done humanely.
>

And not for sport. Most of my relatives hunt and give me a portion if the got a lot
and all their freezers are full of the venison they get (usually enough to last me 3 months).
Granted some may hunt for the thrill of it but they use all the meat they get.


LJD
(reply to Lysannus) posted 28-Sep-2013 2:51am  
I have no problem with hunting. My family hunts, fish. We never waste, we eat what we catch. My husband, sons love to go hunting, to be outdoors, and be together.
Kristal_Rose
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Sep-2013 4:08am  
The ancient rabbis had a code for humane slaughtering which still must be followed today for meat to be considered kosher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita
LJD
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 29-Sep-2013 1:01am  
Thank you for the site.

Years ago, in the house I was raised, we lived next door to a neighbor that had a pig, and some chickens. My dad built our double story home on a 1/3 of an acre. We did not have animals other than our dog. We did have vegetable gardens. Our neighbor killed his pig one summer, and that pig cried for it seems like forever. He hung the pig upside down, and let it bleed out. The man had worked on farms. I know we're to bleed the animals, but it hurt to hear the pig. My family were raised on farms, but as they came west, they didn't raise animals, as the neighbor did.
Kristal_Rose
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Sep-2013 9:35pm  
One sees videos all the time of animals in absolute terror, aware of what is about to happen to them. That alone is one of the more compelling reasons to become a vegetarian. I much prefer the thought of some chicken peking away at worms, then wham, never saw it coming and suddenly out like a light. I think the neighbors pig experience would have haunted me.
LJD
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 30-Sep-2013 2:29pm  
Believe me, it was haunting, hearing the pig cry. I can't remember how long it was, but it was too long. I remember saying something to my parents, about the pig crying, and my not liking it. I was about 10 or 11 years old and still remember.
mandy
posted 2-Oct-2013 2:44am  
I Abstain....pantheist
jardropper
posted 13-Oct-2013 9:21pm  
Why would I want to "Rape, kill and pillage"? If I don't my life is way easier and I feel better about myself. I believe Penn from Penn & Teller said it along the lines of, "I rape and murder exactly as much as I want, which is not at all!!!" If you've heard him say it, the additional exclamation points are appropriate.
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