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Should New York split into two states?

It has been proposed before and has come up again to split New York City and surrounding areas (down state areas) off from upstate New York.

Split New York


posted 28-Feb-2013 8:32am  
"New New York" ? - this is like a bad sketch from Futurama, surely?

I don't know enough about the geography to understand it. My inital reaction is no.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 28-Feb-2013 10:44am  
I had trouble finding much written about this and why people want it. I assume it's rural vs. urban issues?
It's OK with me if new yorker's decide to do this, but I don't think it's a good idea off hand.
posted 28-Feb-2013 10:45am  
No. We might as well let towns become their own countries.
California often considers the same things for similar culture reasons, although there is probably not as much difference in economic stability as for New York.

New New York might wish to splinter, in which case we'd have New York, New New York, and now a New New New York. What if old New York wished to splinter again? How would we distinguish one New New New York from a completely different New New New York?
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 28-Feb-2013 10:54am  
No. I don't think it would be especially good for the upstate part.
posted 28-Feb-2013 12:39pm  
I don't know NY, never been there, but what I've heard, I'd want to stay away from NY. I believe in smaller communities so the people in that community can keep an eye on their leadership. Too big, corruption ensues.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
posted 28-Feb-2013 1:08pm  
Why? Then why not do that for all states? Have the urban areas be states, and the rural areas separate states. Makes no sense to me.

I can see splitting California in two - North and South.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 28-Feb-2013 1:38pm  
I'd love to give Detroilet to either Ohio or Canada...
posted 28-Feb-2013 7:21pm  
Sounds like a bad idea to split states in general. Unless its part of a sinister plan to get the people who live there 2 more Senate seats, which wouldn't be fair to everyone else.
(reply to FordGuy) posted 28-Feb-2013 9:37pm  
Thanks on the offer, but no thanks. You can have Quebec though (sorry, Irene!).
(reply to FordGuy) posted 28-Feb-2013 11:09pm  
> I'd love to give Detroilet to either Ohio or Canada...

Ohio can keep it...
(reply to Iseult) posted 28-Feb-2013 11:10pm  
> Thanks on the offer, but no thanks. You can have Quebec though (sorry,
> Irene!).

That's exactly what would happen if Quebec separated...
posted 1-Mar-2013 5:47am  
Well I am divided on this issue a bit. On one hand it would open the door for any major city to try and splinter from the state it is in (lead to chaos).
On the other it would be nice not to have to support all the couch potatoes there and upstate could get rid of the dufusses in Albany which are voted in by NYC.
(Of course a few more good hurricanes and a couple well placed F5 tornadoes could solve a lot, just kidding, maybe)
posted 1-Mar-2013 8:18am  
No, I don't believe so. New York has always been split into two - as I see them from an English perspective - vastly contrasting areas, namely upstate New York, or New York state, and the New York City Metropolitan area. This is the way it's always been, and it's great. Again as I see it. To speak in terms of New New York makes little sense to me. Mind you, I have no knowledge whatsoever of the politics behind the proposition. And major changes can and do occur; for example way back in 1965, the traditional County of London expanded to become Greater London, thereby incorporating swathes of the surrounding areas, including one entire country (Middlesex), which now exists in name only.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Iseult, Irene007) posted 1-Mar-2013 9:01am  
So Detroilet, Candada it is!
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 1-Mar-2013 11:19am  
What makes California any different from New York?
LA vs. north rural communities; NYC vs. north rural communities.
JessicaWoman99 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 1-Mar-2013 4:12pm  
Yes why not just go ahead and split New York right down the middle and why we have New York cheescake?
(reply to Irene007) posted 1-Mar-2013 4:53pm  
You think so?
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 1-Mar-2013 5:54pm  
I saw it as New York being a relatively small state geographically compared to California, Texas, etc.
(reply to FordGuy) posted 1-Mar-2013 7:02pm  
The last time I drove through Detroit from Windsor; I couldn't help but think of new immigrants living in Toronto wanting to visit the US for the first time and going in that way. What a bad impression it leaves! After travelling down the prim and proper Ontarian highways (better than in Quebec's!) and then crossing that bridge... Oye! It's a stark contrast. I know better but if I didn't; I would have thought that America was a big lie... It's that bad.
After I had crossed the border - I pulled over somewhere to switch my Canadian funds with my American then I looked up and thought what a bad idea that was. I had to pee but I preferred to scoot out of there and piss in Kentucky instead! The highways are littered with dead tires - the place looks so abandoned. It's really sad...
(reply to Iseult) posted 1-Mar-2013 7:14pm  
They'd get sucked up in a flash! The politicians are so stupid here... Our new Prime Minister wants to duplicate a federal office where they would represent themselves on the international forum, as if they've already separated. I really enjoy paying taxes to duplicate services...
Remember Pat? Not the sharpest pen in the box... He comes from a family of separatist politicians. I won't mention names, just in case they find this comment! His aunt left the PQ party a couple of years ago and she's married to our ex, very separatist prime minister - yeah... the one who called another referendum (you're too young to remember the first one). While having dinner one day, she talked about her travels with her husband in the Persian Gulf at the time Daddy Bush was waging war over there. She said Americans were not very welcome in that part of the world so she kept waving her flag so as not to be mistaken for an American. Guess which flag she was waving? It wasn't red and white... rolls eyes As if anyone gives a flying hoot about Quebec and its silly issues. Poor, oppressed people.
Seems like stupidity runs in the family and yes, I'm still seeing him. And I don't know why...
(reply to Irene007) posted 1-Mar-2013 10:24pm  
I recall when that was news. It was pretty much the only time in my life Canada even made major news here.
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 2-Mar-2013 1:46am  
It's an internal issue. When that kind of news does cross the international borders; it just gives us a bad rap... Granted, most of the province is French speaking but Montreal is too cosmopolitan to be uniquely French speaking - you can be a tourist and have a great time.
I don't care what anyone says; the fact that the French settled here first, lost the war and still remained makes this province all the more interesting. Montreal has the best of restaurants, the most beautiful women, the most laid back community, great night life (especially if you have connections) and I think it's because of its history and mixing with cultures. I made Beef Tendon Pho soup this week and the reason I can make it authentically is because I know what the real thing tastes like without having to have traveled to Viet Nam.
My counterparts (blues societies) in Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver and etc. all love to come to Montreal. Musicians all want to play here because people are, generally, just too cool! Not to mention the good looking women but I was told that Chicoutimi (some hick town/city up North) really has the most beautiful women. I thought the guy was exaggerating until I went to their blues festival in the middle of winter. I don't know what they feed their girls up there but whoa! They be hawt!!! You always expect some good looking chicks in any given bar in a city like Montreal but you don't expect as many in one place (or the other) in such a small town. And, trust me, they weren't average good looking - they was really hawt, I tells ya! Chicoutimi is the Brazil of Quebec... winking raspberry
(reply to Irene007) posted 2-Mar-2013 6:46pm  
I don't see why we need two federal offices. I was under the impression that while Quebec disagrees with internal issues within the country, they are on the same page with foreign policies. But I must confess, like majority of Canadians, I follow Canadian issues very sporadically (unless it's subway expansion within Toronto, which I've been keeping up to date with it).
There are all kinds of people out there. I don't think that separation is the best option for Quebec, but if they want to separate, let them. Of course, it's easy for me to say that since I don't live there anymore.
posted 2-Mar-2013 9:56pm  
I don't know what for, and it makes no difference to me. I'm sure the people who live there have strong opinions about this. I don't.
(reply to Iseult) posted 2-Mar-2013 10:02pm  
If any of the provinces should separate, it should be Alberta and BC. Neither need Ottawa and they're so far away. I heard a great analogy of Canada on CBC Radio the other day - it was likened to a cow; Alberta feeds it, Ottawa sucks it dry and never mind what happens in the Maritimes!
(reply to FordGuy) posted 2-Mar-2013 10:13pm  
I'm reading in our local paper today; Governer of Michigan, Rick Snyder wants to put Detroit into receivership... The jig is up man! You ain't selling that city to no one! wink you stuck widdit!
posted 2-Mar-2013 10:17pm  
*governor (I'm using my cell and I'm having trouble rereading what I'm typing, which I often do phonetically in the heat of the moment...)
(reply to Irene007) posted 3-Mar-2013 4:28am  
I don't think calls for seperation made people here any less respectful of Canada. Rather it was simply something of interest, enough to make people ponder, "Hey isn't Canada still a confederacy or something crazy? Why is the Queen of England still on their coins anyhow?" All Americans know of Canada, we learned from Dudley Doright and Ren and Stimpy.

Apparently you've influenced washington state though. Up here products are often printed in English and French. Down in california it was English and Spanish.

Glad to hear you've moved on to hawt women.
posted 3-Mar-2013 12:04pm  
Whom am I to say 'No'. If New York does acomplish this, it will schizm the entire country. Next thing you know, the government will say OK to Texas receding from the union.
(reply to Irene007) posted 3-Mar-2013 12:19pm  
That's a good analogy!
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 3-Mar-2013 12:36pm  
I haven't moved on; I'm just envious... winking raspberry
(reply to Iseult) posted 3-Mar-2013 12:38pm  
Actually, it's Ottawa and Quebec suck it dry. I really laughed when I heard that one!
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Irene007) posted 4-Mar-2013 10:29am  
Ok fine. I'll pay you $10 to take it.
(reply to FordGuy) posted 4-Mar-2013 9:20pm  
Naw... I think I'll pass - we have enough problems up here!
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Irene007) posted 6-Mar-2013 11:05am  
$15 and a bottle of wine. Not a nickle more.
(reply to FordGuy) posted 6-Mar-2013 7:31pm  
What kind of wine?
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Irene007) posted 7-Mar-2013 9:01am  
I dunno. Red goes with steak. So red I suppose. I know nothing about wine.
(reply to FordGuy) posted 8-Mar-2013 4:33am  
> I dunno. Red goes with steak. So red I suppose. I know nothing
> about wine.

Heck if you help me get rid of NYC (say give to to Jersey) I'll throw in a couple cases of red and white for Irene to take Detroit, and a keg of your choice of Beer.

(reply to FordGuy) posted 8-Mar-2013 8:23am  
Not a wine snob myself but I like Bouillies and Beaujolais because they don't kick you in the mouth with too much boldness...
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Lysannus) posted 11-Mar-2013 7:12am  
I'm in! Woo hoo!

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