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Should Employers be able to discriminate against men with long hair?

34Men should be allowed to have long hair just like women
18It's clearly negative discrimination if an employer does not hire a man because he has a long hair.
10Employers should be able to hire or not hire whoever they choose for whatever reason.
9It's ok to require men to have short hair and allow women to have long or short hair.
4If men are required to have short hair, so should women!
16We need to end the double standard for men and women in the workplace.
12It's ok to have different guidelines for men and women.
27What is the big deal about men with long hair?

posted 18-Mar-2004 10:48am  
Hell no! I have short hair but a lot of my friends have really long hair. I have hair extensions I put in when I go riding with all my Biker buddys.smiley:::smile
posted 18-Mar-2004 11:00am  
It's ok to have different guidelines for men and women.
It's ok to require men to have short hair and allow women to have long or short hair.

I checked the two options stated above.
But I think that I REALLY need an "other" option, here. It's not that I REALLY believe that it's okay to utilize different guidelines for men and womens appearances in the workplace. It's just that I ACCEPT the guidelines currently in place.
If I was a man who wanted long hair, I would be ticked that I couldn't get the job I wanted without cutting my hair. I knew a guy once with a really nice head of long hair. His sentiment towards the situation was, "No job is worth it." I admire his steadfastness on one hand, but on the other hand, I'm disappointed that people need to priortize as such.
posted 18-Mar-2004 11:17am  
I don't think that "long hair" is quite the same as something like race or gender. It is sort of like having a tattoo on your face; it is a decision one makes for themselves. At least with the hair you can change it at any time.

I can understand that an employer, who is hiring someone to interact with their clients, is going to have an interest in how this employee is representing their company and that includes their appearance. If someone is simply working in a cubicle or doing any other kind of work where their appearance shouldn't be an issue, I would think that they should have less stringent requirements in this regard.

One example might be a bank teller. Most banks prefer to project a conservative image and they understandably might object to a male bank teller having a hairstyle which didn't project that conservative image.

Other examples might be a clothing store, coffee shop or a music store. These sort of establishments have a completely different attitude in terms of the image that they want to project to the customer. Consequently a male employee with long hair would not be seen in the same light.

In general, during the hiring stage, employers can exercise any sort of prejudice they care to, pretty much with impunity, provided that they don't verbalise these prejudices. I'm not aware of any human rights legislation anywhere which protects the right of men to have long hair. I think it would be a bit silly if there were.

BTW, there weren't any options which I agreed with to the extent that I wanted to choose any of them...
posted 18-Mar-2004 11:25am  
Then you should have a really bad toupee! smiley:::grin
bill Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Mar-2004 11:29am  
Employers should be forced to hire long haired men! We need quotas! Affirmative Hair Action!
We owe it to all the long haired men who have suffered throughout the centuries (e.g. Jesus had long hair, and have you see that new movie... ouch!) smiley:::winking raspberry

In general we shouldn't allow any discrimination, but I could see exceptions in cases where the length of the man's hair interfered with their ability to do their job. For example, I think it's OK for the Army to require short hair.
posted 18-Mar-2004 12:19pm  
Silly Goose!!!
No, his name was Steve. smiley:::wink
posted 18-Mar-2004 12:57pm  
No double standards at all. That is my opionion.
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posted 18-Mar-2004 1:02pm  
Men should generally be allowed to have long hair, but I can see certain places where it would be fine to discriminate, based on the type of company and the image they want to project.
posted 18-Mar-2004 1:36pm  
I think it's ok to have different guidelines for men and women - but more in the style of dress that is expected of you to wear to work. I don't think anyone should be able to tell you how to wear your hair - unless you work in the food business and then no matter who you are it should be up and away from the food!
posted 18-Mar-2004 1:56pm  
It's the employers business, he/she should be able to hire, fire or not hire anyone they want (except in cases of racism, or sexism).

Appearance does make a difference. I went to a restaurant once to order a sandwich. The girl who took my order had piercings all over her face. It was disgusting and I almost left. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. In a food establishment, that's not something you want to happen.
posted 18-Mar-2004 1:56pm  
Everyone should be free to wear their hair as long or short as they choose... and every employer should be free to hire or not hire whomever they please... problems will correct themselves if left to their own ends!
posted 18-Mar-2004 6:45pm  
I like to pronounce it: "TOOP"! smiley:::grin
posted 18-Mar-2004 6:54pm  
Geez, this ain't the 60's. Long hair for men is wayyy out of style, at least here in Cali. Can't ever see hippie days returning.
My position is - women are women and men are men. Just as men should have short hair, women should be required to have LONG hair, none of this dyke stuff where you can't tell if it is a female or not if they're flat-chested. I know, only men have adam's apples. Basically I'm a conformist to what the majority would look like/dress like. Not as radical as my 60's leather/polka dot rock band days.
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 18-Mar-2004 6:58pm  
What if half her hair falls out? Should she leave a bunch of long bits there, or cut them to the length it would look best?
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 18-Mar-2004 7:03pm  
I totally agree. And flat-chested women should be forced to stuff their bras so we can tell who's who!! smiley:::rolls eyes
(reply to bill) posted 18-Mar-2004 9:25pm  
Your comment reminded me of an old joke.

A teenage boy comes home and asks his father to buy him a car. The father told him that if he brings up his grades and cuts his long hair, that he'll be happy to buy him one. When semester grades came in, the boy was excited because he'd brought his grades up. He goes home to show his father his grades. His father is very happy to see he's now making much better grades. The boy asks if he will buy him a car now. The father tells him not unless he cuts his long hair. The boy says "Jesus had long hair, Dad." The father says, "Yeah and he walked, too."
posted 18-Mar-2004 10:25pm  
I guess it really depends on the type of job they're applying for. For example, it's okay for a guy applying for a blue-collar job, such as construction. But I think it would be a little out-of-place in a white-collar environment, such as an office or medical field. But don't get me wrong--I have nothing against guys with long hair. It's their right. smiley:::smile
posted 18-Mar-2004 11:00pm  
I kney a guy once that went to work in a saw mill and he caufgt his long hair in a set of fast moving compression rollers and he ended up thinner than road kill.
posted 19-Mar-2004 2:34am  
Don't discriminate against long hair, only long black beards and towels.
posted 19-Mar-2004 2:56pm  
I have never had a problem with men with long hair or women with short hair. As long as they are not a-holes.
posted 19-Mar-2004 6:40pm  
I have long hair, it's well past shoulder length. When I went to get a job at a waterpark in Orlando,I wore a tie and had my hair tied back in a slicked back ponytail. They told me it was against company policy to hire men with long hair. Men were required to have a "high and tight" hairstyle. The women however, were allowed to have long hair. It outraged me. I told them I would not change my personal appearance for any job, especially a minimum wage job. I find it so hard to believe that our society has come "so far", when alot companies and employers are still living in the 1950s.
(reply to ElvisFan67) posted 19-Mar-2004 6:46pm  
> I guess it really depends on the type of job they're applying for.
> For example, it's okay for a guy applying for a blue-collar job,
> such as construction. But I think it would be a little out-of-place
> in a white-collar environment, such as an office or medical field

Why do you believe only blue-collar men should be allowed to have long hair? I have a lawyer friend who has long hair as well. One of the U.S. Senators from Colorado has long hair. Why is it that a banker has to conform to the system while a construction worker can look whatever way he wants?
(reply to metalhead123) posted 19-Mar-2004 9:42pm  
I don't really know--I guess it's their policy. Sure, it may suck to a degree. Take me, for instance. I work an office job, but I don't like to wear ties. Fortunately, my job don't require a strict dress code. However, some of them do. I think office workers should only dress comfortable--decent, but comfortable. smiley:::smile
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posted 20-Mar-2004 12:31am  
I was discriminated against for having my hair dyed RED RED... it was complete bull.
posted 20-Mar-2004 8:20am  
'the sign says long haired freaky people need not apply, so i took my hair up under my hat and i went in to ask him why...he said you look like a fine young stranger man, i think you do, so i took off my hat and said imagine that, me working for you.........'
posted 20-Mar-2004 10:22pm  
In some jobs it should be short for both men and women in others; it doesn't matter. In many, men should wear it short just to conform.

I once hired a guy (my boss hated him because of his long hair) and I explained to him that I didn't care what he did on his free time (do drugs and trip most of the time) but there was no need for him to advertise it in the work place to the bunch of square people he had to work with. Ideals are like religious symbols; keep them at home! It makes for an easier corporate life...
(reply to judgescratch) posted 20-Mar-2004 10:31pm  
Yeah! He should have cut his hair to get the job and then, when he has proven the quality of his work - he could let it grow back and see what happens... By then, it might be tolerated.

As a society, we attach stigmas to certain things, like tattoos, long hair, sleezy clothes & piercings. It's wise to hide these things when looking for a job; if they hire you, wait until they get know you well enough, THEN make your physical statements. If you're as good as you think; it'll be accepted but maybe you are just a looser anyway and need hang on to such superficial things for a lack of a real personality but this will be noticed without the obvious statements!
posted 21-Mar-2004 10:23am  
WOW! Deja Vu and all that stuff. The last time I heard that asked was in the 60's If for safety reasons it should be cut I guess its okay to ask if it can be cut. Other than that, it should be up to the individual.
(reply to Irene007) posted 21-Mar-2004 1:46pm  
> Yeah! He should have cut his hair to get the job and then, when he
> has proven the quality of his work - he could let it grow back and
> see what happens... By then, it might be tolerated.
> As a society, we attach stigmas to certain things, like tattoos, long
> hair, sleezy clothes & piercings. It's wise to hide these things
> when looking for a job; if they hire you, wait until they get know
> you well enough, THEN make your physical statements.

Let me tell you something, if you cut your hair for a job, or take out earrings, or whatever "taboo" it might be, employers expect you to look like that always. They assume since you came to the job interview with a short, conformist style haircut, that's what you want and accept. I have friends who's bosses threw a hissy fit because they tried to grow their hair long or grow sideburns. If you want to look like an individual, you must get the job as an individual, not as a conformist.
(reply to metalhead123) posted 21-Mar-2004 2:33pm  
I don't agree - a job is a job, you do what you have to to get one and keep it...
(reply to Irene007) posted 22-Mar-2004 7:23am  
I hear you. But there's two factors which come into play while you're "proving yourself". One is, it can take a really long time to prove yourself! I would say no less than a year (wouldn't you say?) That's a lot of waiting/hiding a piece of yourself. The other factor depends a lot on the corporate culture which you are in. I am presently at a company (and I'm also in the "waiting to prove myself phase, I've been here for one year) which is very conservative in thought. I mean really. I knew that coming in, and, I consider myself rather "middle of the road". Well, I'm often surprised about how things I say are percieved (nothing offensive, it's not like I talk about Howard Stern in here or anything). Just things about traveling I've done (non-professionally), the way that I have lived and do live my life, and some of my goals. Some people think that I'm gutsy/strong/left. I really just quite normal, I can assure you. What's my point? I dunno. Really, perhaps some free-association was prescribed for this Monday morning smiley:::wink .
(reply to judgescratch) posted 22-Mar-2004 8:32am  
A job is necessary so if it means conforming to keep it, well... If it makes you unhappy to do so, maybe you're not at the right place. I've seen many men with pony tails but it was OK in the context of their work but if they want to be a pressman - forget it. It's not even like a girl could get away with it, she'd have to wear it in a bun because there's a real danger of catching the hair in the press - Have you ever seen a man with a chignon?? I think not... He must conform or do something else! Blue hair and face piercing don't go well in the corporate world but it's fine in a music store!
(reply to Irene007) posted 22-Mar-2004 8:43am  
Yup! I hear you, and I agree with you.
(reply to judgescratch) posted 22-Mar-2004 8:53am  
Oh and... Ideals don't pay the rent! smiley:::wink
(reply to Irene007) posted 22-Mar-2004 8:57am  
posted 4-May-2004 3:39pm  
No, as long they are following health and safety regulations just like women do.
posted 20-May-2004 4:23am  
I agree with almost every statement. I don't think employers should discriminate, but I do think they should be able to. Employers know what their customers will have a negative reaction to, and it is their job to avoid such reactions. I mean, take the staffs of a trendy yuppie store and some small, downtown record store, make them switch places. All customers will freak out!
posted 26-Jun-2006 2:11am  
It's sexism.
(reply to judgescratch) posted 26-Jun-2006 2:12am  
> It's ok to require men to have short hair and allow women to have
> long or short hair.

Why do women get the choice? Isn't that sexism? Why not say short hair for everyone?
(reply to w_wanderers) posted 26-Jun-2006 8:48am  
Why argue with strongly held customs, precedents which have been set years before you or I were ever alive?
...and I don't mean customs of the past which are morally questionable. Most of them have gone by the way by sheer virtue.
(reply to judgescratch) posted 27-Jun-2006 6:19am  
Long hair on males and short hair on females has been coming in and out of fashion for thousands of years.
posted 19-Jun-2009 7:27pm  
Some here say that the length of the hair is no big deal, as it can be changed at any time. That is far from true. It takes years to grow it long. Nevertheless, I think employers should be able to discriminate against anyone they choose. I would rather not work for a company that discriminates. I am a very loyal and dedicated employee and it is really their loss as there are good companies out there that will hire me. Might take a little more effort, but, it's doable.
posted 1-Jul-2009 2:11pm  
Honestly, I think it's ridiculous that they discriminate against men with long hair, when they hire women with short OR long hair. And not only that, they hire women more than men. I don't care if they call it "conservative" or "professional", I believe it's just sexist and unfair. I mean, if they want a clean look, men can just tie their hair back or whatnot. I used to have long hair, and I resorted to cutting it down to increase my chances of getting a job. Turns out...I still have difficulty finding a job.
Screw the "professional" world, it is too hypocritical to be any sort of professional at all.

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