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What should be done to actually rehabilitate inmates?

With several issues affecting our prison system such as over-population, repeat offenders, and high costs, we need changes. What can be done differently to help with rehabilitation?


 


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Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 28-Mar-2007 12:42pm  
I don't know.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 28-Mar-2007 12:47pm  
I think we should not make any effort to rehabilitate prisoners. Prison should be viewed as a punishment and nothing else. The current system of rehabilitation should be seen as a failure and thus removed. Rehabilitation is personal, a desire that has to come from the prisoners themselves. It should be the prisoner's responsibility to rehabilitate themselves.

Over-population can be solved by legalizing marijuana and potentially other drugs as well. End the Drug War, it hasn't worked, it may be making things worse, and it's very expensive. Repeat offenders have always been around and always will be around. It's just something we have to live with. The problem of high costs is likely very complex, I'd need to analyze the prison system budget to offer suggestions. I'm not convinced change is needed, especially not change for the sake of change. Especially change made via politics or people voting. That could very easily lead to a bigger problem. I'd rather see various studies done on the prison system by think tanks, to see what they recommend.
dab
posted 28-Mar-2007 12:59pm  
The first and best thing we can do is to remove laws against victimless crimes from the books and then release and clear the record of anyone convicted of those bogus "crimes". That would reduce the prison population by over half, so I'm told. Whatever else is done, reducing the load on the system will make it more effective.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 28-Mar-2007 2:10pm  
It depends on the nature of the crime, most of the time. Some violent people can't be rehabilitated. They just just stay in there. People who commit property crimes might be rehabilitated through job training, education, being made to do labor, things like that. People who are in for consentual crimes should all be let out. No rehab, no imprisonment at all. Anyone who is not a threat to other people does not belong in jail.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 28-Mar-2007 2:13pm  
I don't even think it should be seen as punishment. It should be a way to protect society from people who would victimize us. "punishment" is a corrective measure. We shouldn't "correct" adults who victimize, we should remove them away from us so we can live in peace.
Iseult
posted 28-Mar-2007 2:15pm  
a) Turn them into hamburgers and feed them to other inmates,

or

b) Make them fight one another in public, gladiator-like, shows.
southernyankee
posted 28-Mar-2007 2:37pm  
I am not sure if there is anything you can do to rehabilitate most of them. At least the not the hard core criminals. The best we can do is work on the people who aren't criminals, yet just have no opportunities.

I think we can take away a lot of their extras like air-conditioning and what not. We can also lower their sentences in exchange for giving them hard labor jobs. Or give them the option of joining the military and send to dangerous places in exchange for lower sentences since we have a military shortage or make them first priority in case the draft comes back. I don't get why the military is so against having convicted criminals wanting to join.
southernyankee
(reply to Iseult) posted 28-Mar-2007 2:40pm  
I still think George Carlin has the best solution to that.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 3:21pm  
I can see that... though, thinking of it that way makes sentencing a little unclear. Thinking of it as "punishment' supports the implication that there are different levels of crimes which merit varying lengths of incarceration.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 28-Mar-2007 3:25pm  
I think sentencing should probably always be threat based. People should be kept in/let out based on the level of threat they are judged to be. It shouldn't be so much about what they have done, but what they are likely to do. A person who kills by using excessive force in self defense is highly unlikely to reoffend. He shouldn't be sentenced based on what he has done.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 3:49pm  
That makes sense.
FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
posted 28-Mar-2007 3:53pm  
Make them live in tents and wear pink underwear. Make them farm and work for their own food. Do not give them access to TV. Make jail SUCK. The kind of place that they'd never want to return to. Instant rehabilitation.
LJD Gold Qualifier
posted 28-Mar-2007 4:51pm  
The intent of prison is to punish, rehabilitation is for those that can mentally and emotionally function in society upon release. I don't think many of the prisoners can be rehabilitated...it has to come from within and help. I think those in death row should be executed. For those that can be rehabilitated, and those that can't, should be made to work on the expenses they've incurred. Alot depends on the charges. I think drug related offenses...drug dealers, producers deserve death, drug users, should be given 5 years for first offense.. I think all drug abusers need to be "cleaned" while in prison. If they repeated take and sell drugs, and commit crime....death. If the system gets tough...there will be less problems.
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 28-Mar-2007 5:11pm  
Give them LSD.
ausfox
posted 28-Mar-2007 5:14pm  
I really don't know. I guess I know that rehabilitation helps, but I am wary of it as a complete solution just because prisons are over crowded.
Iseult
(reply to southernyankee) posted 28-Mar-2007 5:45pm  
What was his solution?
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Mar-2007 6:19pm  
What if they take drugs, but don't abuse them?
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 6:31pm  
What is the purpose of taking drugs? More than likely a lack of nutrition....they're trying to self medicate themselves is my guess.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Mar-2007 6:43pm  
There are all kinds of reasons. But there are some drugs out there that are illegal, that shouldn't be. People should be allowed to self medicate. As it is now, there are drugs doctors won't prescribe, and so people go out to the street to find relief for their symptoms. That's backwards! People should be allowed to chose what will make themselves feel better and feel good. All the problems associated with it, drug dealing, stealing to support a habit, etc would not be a problem if we legalized it.
RGirl
posted 28-Mar-2007 7:28pm  
Well, if prison weren't such an attractive option I think less people would risk going there. I say take away the weights, basketballs, tv, books, education. I'm tempted to say medical attention too but couldn't do that. Let them spend their days doing repetitive, menial work for free. Even if it is pointless. Make is as abysmal and depressing as you can. A hard cold slab instead of a cot. Who is the guy who makes the prisoners wear pink undies, live in tents and get baloney sandwiches for their meal? Too many peoples lives are worse on the outside. Inside they get free medical care, education, recreation, 3 hots and a cot. For the more trusted prisoners I think animal care can be positive but you have to select the prisoner very carefully.
RGirl
(reply to bill) posted 28-Mar-2007 7:29pm  
Good point, I forgot that- legalize marijuana, possibly other drugs as well.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 28-Mar-2007 7:50pm  
Some prisoners (petty thieves, etc) need an education. Their whole trouble is the fact they are too uneducated to know how to get a job and take care of themselves. Toss a person who doesn't know responsible living back on the street, and they are going to end up back in the jail, no matter how miserable it was.
dab
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:29pm  
I so agree with you about punishment vs protecting society. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's come to that conclusion.

Oh! I just looked at your user page and you're joalis. I thought you were someone new.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to dab) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:34pm  
 * smile *
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:38pm  
Yes, their GED or high school diploma I might go on board with. Some life skills but no one should have the privilege to get their college degree free of charge in the US. The rest of us had to pay for that. Especially for those in there for life without chance of parole. It would be a waste of money. They aren't going to be back out into the population.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:42pm  
OK, I'll have to agree with you there. It shouldn't be easier for a prison inmate to get a college degree than an average person. Lots of honest, hardworking students have a hard time keeping up with the expenses of college. They shouldn't be footing the bill for people who might not even use theirs.
I was thinking more in terms of basic education, job and life skills.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to RGirl) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:42pm  
dab said more generally, "victimless crimes" which would be even better
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:45pm  
Who would pay for their drugs if it were legalized? Their insurance companies? Medicaid/Medicare?
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 28-Mar-2007 8:59pm  
If they aren't prescription, It would be sold like alcohol. Regulated and inexpensive. If there are any that became medicinal and doctor prescribed, I'm sure insurance would cover it.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 28-Mar-2007 9:06pm  
I'm very fearful of drugs, legal or illegal. I hate to say this, but I think that doctors are glorified drug pushers, some, without even knowing it. But, what kind of a society would we be if we legalized something that is bad. The drugs destroy the body, twist peoples mind, upset their ph body balance. I think there has to be more emphasis on eating whole foods. I'm not for legalizing anything that will hurt, or destroy people. If people want to medicate themselves, study herbal formulas, take what is good for their bodies.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Mar-2007 9:35pm  
There are some drugs that are scary, but others that aren't. Some are illegal, but beneficial. Not all drugs are bad. And if a person isn't afraid to put it in their own body, why should another person be afraid of that?
Amanda
(reply to LJD) posted 28-Mar-2007 9:40pm  
> If they repeated take
> and sell drugs, and commit crime....death.

That seems kind of harsh.
JessicaWoman99 Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 28-Mar-2007 10:50pm  
Line them all up and execute them
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 1:51am  
I think any drug that will perhaps cause a person to steal or harm another in order to get money for his/her drug habit, should be outlawed. What illegal drug is beneficial? I've never used or taken any illegal drug...I don't know what is on the streets. People have to face up to their problems without the use of drugs.
I would not like to see a person kill themselves with illegal or legal drugs.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to Amanda) posted 29-Mar-2007 1:59am  
Drugs are a curse to this nation. Years ago, the penalty for dealing drugs was death...I think the law should be restated. For use of weed, having one cigarette or so many ounces, the penalty was five years. The drugs destroy the body...and mind.
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:11am  
Should alcohol and tobacco be illegal?
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:13am  
When & what exactly were these laws?
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:42am  
Actually what redeeming qualities do either one of them have? Alcohol causes many deaths, harms one's health, can hurt innocent people. Tobacco is a not so good habit, stinks. Both products sap oxygen out of the body,, raises blood sugar. I hate to legislate such habits, but when innocent people are killed, such as with alcohol, I sometimes wish they'd be taken off the market.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:46am  
Back in the 50's. When I was married to my first husband, I had met a man that just was released from prison for using the "weed" or so many oz. for his use. The law has become too soft on drugs. Some fat cats are making a killing, literally, on drugs.
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:55am  
You know that when they tried prohibition in the US in the 1920's it only increased crime? That is why there is so much crime surrounded by other illegal drugs. We cause more criminal activity.
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:59am  
Ok. You gave me in the 50s. But you say there were people executed for smoking the 'weed' in the 50s?
Galomorro Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 29-Mar-2007 11:11am  
Teach them real jobs that are in demand outside and make sure they GET such a job when they get out. Legalize and regulate prostitution; legalize marijuana.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:30am  
Maybe people better start cleaning up their acts? You have a point, it seems that if humans have something taken away from them, they tend to want it more...hence, more criminal activity/black market. I somehow think, if we really wanted to clean up the scourge of drugs in this country, we could. Perhaps there is too much invested in the upper levels of government? The borders must be secured, keep out the drugs, or the makings of drugs. We then work internally to rid the plague. Town by town, get tough.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:31am  
Oh no, not executed, imprisoned.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:45am  
They aren't all the same, and not all people steal to support their habit. People who aren't habitual users or thieves supporting a habit shouldn't be denied their drugs just because of the irresponsible users. (Besides, if it were legal, it would be less expensive.) Not all drugs are used to avoid problems. Some are used responsibly just for enjoyment, and some are used for pain relief, to stay awake, and for other reasons. You have to distinguish between responsible and irresponsible use. The fact it is illegal doesn't automatically make all drug use irresponsible.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 29-Mar-2007 11:47am  
People should have the right to destroy their own mind.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 12:34pm  
You have a point... I've never tried illegal drugs, so I don't know what enjoyment people have...but I think why do people need that type of enjoyment when just being with people, talking enjoying each other...why do people need alcohol or drugs for enjoyment?

Perhaps it's a war on what legal drug producers want marketed, and illegal drug markets. I know many of the legal drugs are lethal, very bad for a person. If the illegal drugs that are supposed to be good, why aren't they marketed by the legal companies?
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 12:58pm  
People don't need illegal drugs for enjoyment, but some of them serve to enhance things. It's their choice to use them, and they aren't hurting other people. It's not really our place to question it and treat them like kids. People should have the ultimate say in what goes into their own bodies.

There are some illegal drugs that should become legal for drug companies to use. You are right though, there are some that are very bad. I see nothing positive about heroin. (That doesn't mean it can't be modified, studied, and given an appropriate use.) I still don't think we should treat adults like kids by mandating what they can and can't use.
mandy
posted 29-Mar-2007 1:15pm  
I pondered this constantly for the year and a half I was with my ex. He'd gone to prison so young and been there 13 years when I met him. He wanted so badly to be a good man once he returned to the real world but came out so very institutionalized. There was and still is a war going on in him. He wants to be good but only knows how to be bad. His upbringing or lack thereof started it...prison cemented it. He'll probably return there eventually. I am surprised he hasn't already. I wish I had the answer.
He has some beautiful qualities. I had such hope for him. I am sure there are many people in prison with beautiful qualities also.....But what they have seen done experienced blots out the reality of actually being able to be law abiding.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to mandy) posted 29-Mar-2007 1:36pm  
Does a lack of education and/or work ethic have much to do with a lot of it? It's been my observation that people with a strong work ethic and/or decent job opportunities tend to stay out of trouble.
Amanda
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 2:27pm  
How is my smoking weed harmful to anyone? I smoke at home. I purchase it with my own money. I don't rob, steal, or cheat to get it. I don't commit any type of crimes while I'm high. If it's harmful, then I'm only harming myself...no one else. Since it is my body, why should anyone else care?
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 3:07pm  
I suppose you're right...as long as their drug use doesn't hurt anyone else. But, by mere behavior, drugs can hurt....for instance if a man or woman use drugs, they can't be good parents, this is hurting their children. If a person is single, goes into the privacy of his/her home, don't kill or steal for their drugs, they want to use drugs...have at it. But, then again, it hurts the parents, families if they see their children, grandchildren, brothers, sisters, , being wasted away with drugs. It's a catch 22 situation. Where does one person's rights supercede another's?

LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to Amanda) posted 29-Mar-2007 3:38pm  
Since I've never smoked weed, I have no idea what the type of draw it has. Amanda you have children I believe, and I'm assuming you don't smoke in front of your children. However, from what I've heard, weed has long lasting effects....affecting the body and mind.
mandy
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 3:44pm  
He worked the whole time we were together and works full time to this day. Considering his record he was very lucky to be able to be hired at all and yet managed because of his personality and brains. He is one of the smartest men I have ever known. Such an oxymoron of personality. Violent criminal instinct tempered by charm gentleness wit physical beauty and promise. He unfortunately grew up in horrible circumstances and began his criminal behavior just to eat while his two alcoholic parents left him alone with his older sisters. He modeled his addictions after them and had a very hard time feeling LOVE. But once he found he could and was capable of loving and found people worthy of his love he was amazing. Unfortunately, even with the brilliant second chance he had to rebuild his life on the outside with a good job, friends and a loving woman by his side....the pull of what he knew best...addiction, crime, violence was stronger. I love him still. He loves me. He wants to have me back and believes I am "The One" for him. He is in a different state than me with a stack of warrants here against him due to his behavior before he went on the run. I had a restraining order for a full year. I married someone else. I would lose my daughter if I ever even considered having him in my life again. I miss his "good side" every day but know in my heart if I ever took him back ....he'd be my demise.
Cain
posted 29-Mar-2007 4:02pm  
I think the punishment should fit the crime.

In an ideal world, every prisoner would have their own individual rehabilitation programme, as what works for some obviously doesn't work for others. But this is a far less than ideal world, so it's never going to happen.
Cain
(reply to FordGuy) posted 29-Mar-2007 4:07pm  
> Make them live in tents and wear pink underwear. Make them farm and
> work for their own food. Do not give them access to TV. Make jail
> SUCK. The kind of place that they'd never want to return to. Instant
> rehabilitation.


And FordGuy has a very valid point - prison should be a horrendous place to be - not just a holiday camp where you're likely to be introduced to drugs and other methods of crime. Everyone deserves a basic standard of living - a clean place to sleep, eat and wash, nutritious food and fresh air. But beyond that, they don't deserve any luxuries.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 4:14pm  
If it doesn't affect anyone else, it's your right. Many illegal drugs can be used responsibly and in moderation. People become "wasted away" when they use irresponsibly.
Amanda
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 5:22pm  
If you've never used weed, then how can you make any judgement about it?

Yes, I've got a son. No, I don't smoke in front of him. I only smoke when he's not home or after he's in bed.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 5:23pm  
Good point.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
posted 29-Mar-2007 6:26pm  
Prisons don't rehabilitate criminals. They make them better criminals.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
(reply to Cain) posted 29-Mar-2007 6:36pm  
> |> Make them live in tents and wear pink underwear.
> Make them farm and
> |> work for their own food. Do not give them
> access to TV. Make jail
> |> SUCK. The kind of place that they'd never
> want to return to. Instant
> |> rehabilitation.
>
>
> And FordGuy has a very valid point - prison should
> be a horrendous place to be - not just a holiday
> camp where you're likely to be introduced to drugs
> and other methods of crime. Everyone deserves
> a basic standard of living - a clean place to
> sleep, eat and wash, nutritious food and fresh
> air. But beyond that, they don't deserve any luxuries.
>



And to Fordguy too - who says prison is a holiday camp? You both have alot to learn about prison. Prison IS a horrendous place to be at the state and federal level. Coming back out alive is your #1 priority and you're lucky if you do. The lives of the inmates and the guards are at risk every day. Note: contrary to what you may see in movies prison guards carry NO weapons of any kind on the inside and it's generally 70 inmates to 1 guard. Too much risk of the inmates getting the weapons. They have 'panic buttons' but they'd be dead by the time help arrived.

The county and local level facilities aren't near as bad and shouldn't be. They're only for misdemeanor crimes.

Jail time - good or bad has never been a deterrent to crime. The death penalty doesn't stop murder. People don't consider the consequences of their actions in advance. Heard on the radio yesterday that violent crime is on a nationwide upswing.


CGTREE
posted 29-Mar-2007 7:27pm  
Nothing they should be shot in the face.
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:44pm  
"Drugs are a curse to this nation. Years ago, the penalty for dealing drugs was death...I think the law should be restated."

Oh, just the people who SELL it should be executed!
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:47pm  
If you are tired take a nap. If you have narcolepsy your drugs will come from a doctor. And if you use illegal drugs to stay awake do me a favor and stay off the road.

You have to admit some drugs, most users can't help becoming addicted when they started using only recreationally. Crack, heroin, meth. Medical uses- go for it.
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:53pm  
But often times when people are under the influence of many of the illegal drugs their perceptions are off and they are more likely to do something irresponsible putting other people at risk. I would have more of your point of view if I knew people didn't make dangerous decisions putting other people at risk while on drugs or in an attempt to get money for drugs. What about their kids? Can't take care of your kids in that state. I am more along the lines of decriminalizing drugs. I think marijuana should be legal.
RGirl
(reply to Amanda) posted 29-Mar-2007 11:57pm  
Do you smoke when your son is around? My dad smoked pot. In fact, he grew it on the side of the house and dried it in the attic. I preferred him high or drunk because he was such an butt-hole sober. He mellowed out and left us alone when he was high. But I knew when he was high and that it pretty much caused him to sit in a chair and not move. If the house had caught on fire I don't think he'd be able to move fast enough to get out.
RGirl
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:03am  
If you are busy at hard labor all day you'll be too wiped out to even fashion a shank or rape your cell mate.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:08am  
I know. Yep, a lot of them are addictive, a lot of them are bad. I'm not denying that.

If you can't take a nap, if you are still tired after a nap, if you don't have insurance, if it would be inconvenient to go to a doctor, then what do you do?
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:11am  
Same thing happens with alcohol, but you never hear of people doing stupid things to get money for alcohol. I think we should probably make distinctions with different drugs.
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:15am  
Do whatever you like, just don't do anything that might risk injuring or killing another person. Like driving.
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:18am  
I'll include alcohol in there. I hate alcohol but what happens when you try to abolish it? I it worked I'd say abolish it. It is more dangerous to OTHER people than other drugs in my opinion. I would want a drunk person to be able to make the same appropriate decision as I would with some one who were high but the likelihood of either being able to consider OTHER people is very low. When people are drunk and/or high they seem to be very self involved. Nature of the drug.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:28am  
It probably depends on the person. I've seen people drunk and on drugs that weren't the least bit inconsiderate or self absorbed.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 1:08am  
I'm talking about the BIG DRUG DEALERS....should be executed.....that's the way the law was at one time.
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 30-Mar-2007 2:20am  
I would say they are rare.
RGirl
(reply to LJD) posted 30-Mar-2007 2:21am  
Really? I've never heard of that. In the 50's?
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:50am  
Maybe not. In time the inmates become much stronger. Consider the inmates working out and lifting weights. Makes no sense to me to allow them to become physically much stronger than the guards.
Amanda
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 12:41pm  
I only smoke when Caleb's not home or after he's gone to bed. I don't go into a catatonic like state, like some people do, when I'm high. It does make me a little more mellow, but I don't just sit there not moving or anything. Sometimes, I get really goofy...where everything makes me laugh.
Cain
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 30-Mar-2007 3:38pm  
Of my three friends who have been in prison - (for between 1 year and ten), all have said they had a very easy time of it. The guy who was in ten said he would have preferred to stay. Bear in mind I'm talking about British prisons.
Zang
posted 30-Mar-2007 4:49pm  
The whole system needs a complete overhaul. It obviously isn't working. For a society that is as supposedly advanced as "we" are, continuing to use a barbaric system that hasn't changed significantly in the past few thousand years is...well, pretty pathetic really.
What we need is a completely different approach to crime prevention. We should be able to use the same if not fewer resources to eliminate most criminal behaviour before it even happens. I think victims of crime would much prefer that to the present system.
We have all these tools, science, psychology, money...those resources would be better put to use stopping crimes before they happen.
Of course, in the United States, where this is obviously referring ("issues affecting our prison system such as over-population") one of the biggest contributors to the problem is the so called "War on Drugs". The US has a larger per capita prison system than virtually any other nation. Doesn't this concern anyone? The statistics are particularly unnerving when you examine the socio-economic, racial, gender and criminal backgrounds of the prison population. There's really no need for this.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
(reply to Cain) posted 30-Mar-2007 7:09pm  
Must be a major difference then from U.S. prisons. Here the inmates really run the prisons and are made up of about 6 major gangs. Very brutal place to be.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 7:22pm  
I remember as a child, 40's and 50's, hearing that the penalty for BIG DRUG DEALERS was execution....as it should be. At one time, also, you couldn't be a communist, but that law was shot down along with many others that were supposed to protect us.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 30-Mar-2007 8:34pm  
If we made it legal, the only big drug dealers would be legitimate businesses, with licenses.
RGirl
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:31pm  
They do that already with the weight lifting. At least something would be accomplished if they did something productive. Otherwise we can eliminate much of their food or put them in stocks to keep them weak. J/K...........sort of.
RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:33pm  
What would you suggest for crime prevention? Examples, I mean.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:44pm  
I'm not sure if there's any truth to this, but I have heard that certian foods can enable people to be more aggressive. Maybe changing their diets, less of the aggression-promoting foods, more foods that make people docile.
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:48pm  
When my blood sugar drops, after I eat carbs, I get irritable and at times irrational.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to RGirl) posted 30-Mar-2007 11:54pm  
Is that a typical thing, for a lot of people? I've heard about people feeding their armies certain foods (meats?) to make them more cut-throat and mean. I guess limiting those foods would have the opposite effect(?)
RGirl
(reply to LindaH) posted 31-Mar-2007 12:13am  
I know it is typical of my mother. With a meal or snack of largely carbs, such as a bowl of cereal, in about 1-1 1/2 hrs will cause a plummet in blood sugar and mess with our mood and thinking, sometimes ready to faint. The most appealing response is something sugary fast like a candy bar. As you can see, this doesn't make for a healthy eating pattern so there has to be plenty of protein in there. Enough protein and none of that happens. Mood is more settled and stable. Doesn't have to be meat, but protein. When a diabetic has a low blood sugar they used give the person orange juice with sugar in it. Last I heard the doctors preferred we give them milk.
Maarten
posted 1-Apr-2007 2:07pm  
A lot of medieval thoughts here. Pfff....
kpgro1
posted 2-Apr-2007 1:32am  
I think we should take away all their perks. Its horrible I could get a better education of I was in prison because its all free. Make them do physical labor instead of nice cushy jobs.
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 2-Apr-2007 2:10am  
Well, it would depend on the crime. I don't know the specifics, I just think that something could be done. Why do people commit this crime? How can we get them to not commit that crime? Let's spend some money doing that instead. It would require research. Some of this research may have already been done. I'm not claiming to have all the answers. I just think that the whole approach is wrong. It doesn't work.
RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 2-Apr-2007 2:16am  
There might be things that would work but there are things that this wouldn't work. Like, 'Why did you steal that guys car?' 'Because I wanted it.' or 'Because I wanted to sell it and use the money to buy my girlfriend an engagement ring.' You can't go giving out cars and engagement rings.
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 2-Apr-2007 3:09am  
Okay, in a case like that, you would want to find out what is different between people who would steal a car because they wanted it and people who also wanted the car but wouldn't consider stealing it.

There are all kinds of things that I want, but I don't steal them. Why is that? Obviously there is a difference in the way I think and the way this other person thinks. How can we make people think like me?

Perhaps these people aren't able to make accurate predictions about future events that will result from their actions. I don't know. These are the sort of things that would have to be researched.

It might be as simple as education. It might be more like therapy...
RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 2-Apr-2007 4:20pm  
Or more like mind control. I believe that the majority of people know the consequences before they steal a car.
jettles Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 2-Apr-2007 4:25pm  
i think the prison systems should do whatever is necessary to rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and only keep those who are not. this means changing the entire system because now it is geared towards punishment or nothing but deprivation. and when prisoners are let back into society they are shunned or it is not made easy for them to move in society as easily as everyone else as far as employment, housing etc...... we as a society are kidding ourselves by thinking that more hardened criminals will not be let back into society........... we can not keep everyone locked up forever and shouldn't. the system we have currently has to go!
jettles Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 2-Apr-2007 4:32pm  
the "war on drugs" is a big business just as the prison systems are........ it is all privitized and too many people will lose there jobs if we end the war on drugs just like the current prison systems. too much change and too many people lose too much money.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to jettles) posted 2-Apr-2007 4:37pm  
Yeah... a lot of (screwed up) stuff is like that! Follow the money!
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 4-Apr-2007 1:36am  
> Or more like mind control.

We prefer to call it "behavior modification".  * raspberry *

> I believe that the
> majority of people know the consequences before
> they steal a car.

So what do you figure is the difference between them and us? (I'm assuming you don't steal cars either.) Poor impulse control?

RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 4-Apr-2007 2:18am  
I am afraid of the consequences. Knowing the consequences and fearing them are two very different things.
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 4-Apr-2007 2:22am  
You think it's as simple as that?

I don't think so. I'm not afraid of the consequences. I'd just prefer to avoid the hassles and inconvenience. It's so much simpler to flag a taxi or jump on a bus.
RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 4-Apr-2007 11:47pm  
I think it is as simple as that. You just don't want that thing. For some one who does, and is not afraid of the consequences is likely to just take it. I would never steal a car simply because I don't want one. Ask me about something I do want. One more reason. To look cool to others. Many people commit crimes to impress.
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 5-Apr-2007 12:23am  
That's the thing. I think the reasons are varied and numerous. I don't think it's that cut and dried. Like there is one simple reason that people commit crimes.
My point is that if the current system worked, we wouldn't have victims of crime. Obviously it doesn't work. I find that unacceptable. We're basically still using a system that has existed since the dawn of history. We've come a long way since then. We know a lot more now. It seems pretty stupid to keep beating our heads against the wall using a system that doesn't work.
RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 5-Apr-2007 1:50am  
I think what I am trying to say is that NO system will 'work'. What exactly do you wish to accomplish?
Gomezy3k
posted 6-Apr-2007 11:32am  
Education, job training, drug counselling, and mental health care...and medical care to treat health problems..
docgbrown
posted 6-Apr-2007 2:02pm  
An American Foreign Legion. In enlisted ranks only, train them, brainwash them, and send them to far away lands to promote justice, democracy and freedom. Like religious missionaries, let them serve out their sentence, out of our country in lands where our freedoms are lacking, ardently striving to promote ours. Let these, our brothers, re-earn their rights, liberties and free agency by seeing first hand their value and the value of service to our fellow man. This service, coupled with close scrutiny, education and structure should serve to re-educate, motivate and refocus their mindsets.
mve17
posted 8-Apr-2007 10:25am  
Make them adopt a granny
cabinfever
posted 10-Apr-2007 1:36am  
Depending on the severity of their crimes.... anyone guilty of murder, rape, child molestation or a crime against the helpless (elderly, children, animals) should be shipped off to an island and they can fend for themselves. That would clear a lot of space in the prison system for the lesser crimes. I also think that inmates should work hard... in fields, building highways, etc. Just fit them with dog shock collars and put the wire border around where they are going to be. Oh, and make the sentences for all crimes much longer... and maybe a bit harsher... cut the dominant hand off thieves and embezzlers, remove the testicles of anyone guilty of a sex crime. Criminals have way too many rights.
cabinfever
(reply to FordGuy) posted 10-Apr-2007 1:40am  
> Make them live in tents and wear pink underwear.
> Make them farm and work for their own food.
> Do not give them access to TV. Make jail
> SUCK. The kind of place that they'd never
> want to return to. Instant rehabilitation.

Do you like Joe Arapaio too?  * wink *
cabinfever
(reply to LindaH) posted 10-Apr-2007 1:42am  
Know what? McDonald's is always hiring. Doesn't take an education to work there.

cabinfever
(reply to docgbrown) posted 10-Apr-2007 1:54am  
I like you more and more! Your idea is good, too.
cabinfever
(reply to Iseult) posted 10-Apr-2007 1:55am  
> a) Turn them into hamburgers and feed them
> to other inmates,
>
> or
>
> b) Make them fight one another in public,
> gladiator-like, shows.

Wow... such a medieval side exists in you! I like it! I really like option B.

FordGuy Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
(reply to cabinfever) posted 10-Apr-2007 9:18am  
Ab-so-freakin-loutely
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to cabinfever) posted 10-Apr-2007 12:03pm  
It doesn't pay enough to survive. You would still have to teach them how to get around that legally
thecomic22
(reply to LJD) posted 10-Apr-2007 5:40pm  
> Drugs are a curse to this nation. Years ago,
> the penalty for dealing drugs was death...I think
> the law should be restated. For use of weed,
> having one cigarette or so many ounces, the penalty
> was five years. The drugs destroy the body...and
> mind.

I've smoked weed & got stoned off my ass before. Guess I'm a bad girl. ha ha.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to thecomic22) posted 10-Apr-2007 8:33pm  
Drugs are bad for you, but don't necessarily make you a bad person, perhaps naive, but not bad. I don't like anything prescribed, or not prescribed that one doesn't have control of their mental facilities. My children have tried "weed", and thank God they no longer do. The weed usually is a precursor drug. As I've said, drugs are a curse to this nation...destroying the young.
cabinfever
(reply to LindaH) posted 10-Apr-2007 8:46pm  
So they can learn the job and work their way up to management. If they want it, I'm sure welfare would help them out for a short time, even with just food stamps. Or they can do what I did for a year and work three jobs. It doesn't take a genius to pay rent and utilities. Down Syndrome adults and autistic adults can do it, so can any schmoe. I'm sorry, but criminals do not get any sympathy from me. Check that, I'm not sorry. There are plenty of success stories out there about people who started with less than nothing, dragging themselves out of the 'hood and working hard to keep it together. I could have easily ended up an alcoholic or a drug addict, with the type of people I was raised around and the examples I had. But I didn't.... because I knew right from wrong, even if the adults around me showed me otherwise. Not to say I'm a success story... I'm still out of work, but my hubby and I did what we had to do to make our lives work and get better. Turning to crime, even petty crime, was never an option.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to cabinfever) posted 10-Apr-2007 9:09pm  
So what's wrong with teaching them healthy habits while in jail? Part of rehab is to get them back out in the real world. If they don't have what it takes to 'move up' in menial jobs, they can be taught how to live with 2 roomates and share rent. Not all criminals are hopeless.
I'm not saying we give them all college educations, but if they can learn marketable job skills in jail, they are less likely to get in trouble again.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to cabinfever) posted 10-Apr-2007 9:15pm  
By the way, I like some of these ideas. Punishment should realistically fit the crime. People who commit violent crimes and who are still a threat to society should stay in jail for as long as they are still a threat. Possibly for life. People who steal should be made to work hard. I still think some of them can get a reasonable education too.
cabinfever
(reply to LindaH) posted 10-Apr-2007 11:37pm  
Not all criminals are hopeless... true. The guy who embezzled $5,000 to pay for his wife's cancer treatments probably isn't a reoffense risk. However, the vast majority will reoffend, and some will reoffend just to get back in jail and have someone to take care of them at no expense to them. Not to mention jail has become a freakin' healthclub.
First offenders with a misdemeanor or a low-grade felony I wouldn't mind seeing getting a basic life-skills class. But if they screw up again, I'd say they've had their chance and now they can sit and rot.
LindaH Double Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to cabinfever) posted 10-Apr-2007 11:54pm  
I don't think jail should be cushy, like a health club. Repeat offenders who show no signs of remorse or improvement should stay there, I agree. They should work to offset some of the costs of keeping them.
docgbrown
(reply to cabinfever) posted 11-Apr-2007 2:43am  
Thanks, coming from you that means a lot to me. Now, having spoken to a well respected Appellate Court Judge, I know that this "American Foreign Legion" would pass judicial review only if we change current immigration law in the bill itself. Now to get this kernel of an idea off the ground we would have to get a Congressperson or Senator to ‘write’ and sponsor it. After this we would have to foster bipartisan congressional support. If this idea takes flight it could help solve the problem of our over used and hyper-stretched volunteer military (without having to reinstall the draft) at the same time aid in truly rehabilitating our burgeoning inmate population. Any ideas on how to proceed next?
thecomic22
(reply to LJD) posted 11-Apr-2007 11:17am  
Yea, cool. I'm thinking of becoming a meth addcit next then a coke head.  * evil smile *
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to thecomic22) posted 11-Apr-2007 3:46pm  
I'm  * broken heart * ...that you make light of these horrible addictions.....

I wish you well Comic!
thecomic22
(reply to LJD) posted 11-Apr-2007 4:48pm  
Yea we all gotta make light of something & apparently you arent familiar with people being a smartass.  * rolls eyes *
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to thecomic22) posted 11-Apr-2007 5:51pm  
Actually, I do have a sense of humor, believe it or not....except with it comes to drugs/alcohol...it hurts. You're right we all have to learn to laugh, and make light of things sometimes, but with drugs/alcohol, it's hurtful to me. Too many young people have lost their lives to the drug/alcohol plague. Just two weeks ago, a young pregnant girl died because of alcohol poisoning. My youngest daughter (47 years old now) lost three friends from drugs and alcohol...hangings, car accident. . Such handsome boys, what a loss, they were teens. I thank God all the time, that my children and I, survived their teen years...

I'm glad to hear you were joshing with me. I was just concerned for you Comic.
Luke777
(reply to LJD) posted 12-Apr-2007 5:21pm  
> Actually, I do have a sense of humor, believe
> it or not....except with it comes to drugs/alcohol...it
> hurts. You're right we all have to learn to laugh,
> and make light of things sometimes, but with drugs/alcohol,
> it's hurtful to me. Too many young people have
> lost their lives to the drug/alcohol plague.
> Just two weeks ago, a young pregnant girl died
> because of alcohol poisoning. My youngest daughter
> (47 years old now) lost three friends from drugs
> and alcohol...hangings, car accident. . Such
> handsome boys, what a loss, they were teens.
> I thank God all the time, that my children and
> I, survived their teen years...
>
> I'm glad to hear you were joshing with me. I
> was just concerned for you Comic.


You were concerned for HER? Lady I've read a few of your past comments on past surveys, & I really think the only one you should be concerned for is yourself. You sound racist for one & small minded for another & no, dont bother giving me a long lecture like I'm a simple minded child while you try to get me to see your point. I've said my peace.
Zang
(reply to RGirl) posted 15-Apr-2007 2:30am  
> What exactly do you wish to accomplish?

I'd be happy with the recognition that the system doesn't work and it's time to try something more sensible and civilised.

RGirl
(reply to Zang) posted 15-Apr-2007 4:09am  
But what is sensible to us may not be sensible to the 'criminal mind'. Some people don't want to be civilized.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to Luke777) posted 15-Apr-2007 5:04pm  
Luke, yes I am concerned for Comic, and anyone that is on drugs, anticipating drugs. I don't know Comic, but I do care. Drugs destroy people!

I know where I stand on the issues discussed on this site, and will not waiver. You may call me small minded, racist, any other catch word or phrase of the day....so be it....I'm a secure, confident woman.

I don't have to lecture you on being simple minded my dear, you said it yourself.
Luke777
(reply to LJD) posted 16-Apr-2007 1:18pm  
My cousin is not on drugs. I know her better than you ever will. She was only making a sarcastic joke which got taken to far.& Yea I know what drugs can do grandma moses, I've seen two of my buddy's I grew up with die from a drug over dose. And by the way, dont call me dear. I dont like that. Secure & confident huh? That's what they call it where your from? I guess your as confident as anybody, who has, from what I've read obviously been in the KKK can be. I bet you were the Grand Dragon huh? Well the bottom line I guess is you have your way of thinking & I have mine which are world's apart. (That's for sure)
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to Luke777) posted 16-Apr-2007 5:42pm  
Ok, I did think perhaps she was being sarcastic, but didn't know for sure. As I've said Luke, drugs are not funny to me.......too many peoples lives have been lost due to drugs, as you know. I don't take it lightly.

Luke, you're young, one day your eyes will open and see.....yes we are worlds apart on our thinking....take care, be safe.
Luke777
(reply to LJD) posted 16-Apr-2007 6:27pm  
Apparently you hear only what you want or you woulda realized when I said I lost two of my friends to a drug overdose that I wasint laughing or being funny. My eyes are already open & yea I am young. Big crap. I've seen hardship & the dark side of human nature more than you could know or care to know. But yea whatever have fun fighting the enemy, later.
LJD Gold Qualifier
(reply to Luke777) posted 17-Apr-2007 10:56am  
I can only imagine what you've seen on the dark side, seeing your two friends die needlessly, having hardships and I'm truly sorry Luke. I know you were not laughing or being funny about the drug issue. Take care, be safe, and God Bless!
kitti723
posted 18-Apr-2007 12:16pm  
Job training, social skills should be taught, family & parenting classes, G.E.D., required AA/NA for repeat drug offenders, & I think that working with animals can bring a sense of worth and value and a positive experience for their reason for being incarcerated & may also lead to job opportunities when they are released.
autumnlight
posted 21-Apr-2007 4:36pm  
Sorting out the druggies with some proper rehabilitation instead of sending them out with a bigger habit.
Otter
posted 21-Apr-2007 10:15pm  
Repeat offenders should be executed, thus creating incentive for first time offenders to rehabilitate themselves.
falkensmaze
posted 25-Apr-2007 3:15am  
Start by decriminalizing marijuana and releasing anyone convicted of a marijuana related crime. This will free up more time and space for the prisons to work with inmates that can be rehabilitated and the rehabilitation should start with education. Many prisoners are poorly educated and may go back to their lives of crime without the education and training that will help them get jobs when they are released. They will have some difficulty finding jobs when they are released due to having a criminal record, but education and training will make it somewhat easier to land jobs than those who didn't receive education and training. Now as to violent offenders such as rapists. child sexual offenders and serial killers. Lock them up and through away the key and don't bother wasting the time and money trying to rehabilitate them. If you turn loose all those convicted of marijuana offenses, that will free up a lot of space in prisons that can be used to keep these violent people out of society.
kitkat
posted 13-May-2007 9:38pm  
Those who work with inmates should understand first and foremost that a lot of the inmates aren't candidates for rehabilition. We shouldn't waste out time trying to rehabilitate those in for life without possibility of parole, those in prison for violent murders, sex offenders, especially those who rape or molest children. Someone who is in prison for growing pot doesn't need rehab because they didn't hurt anyone. However, those who manufacture or deal crack, meth, heroin will likely go back to doing so after leaving prison.
cloudhugger Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 16-May-2007 1:47am  
Total nutritional help. Balance the body by checking the pH, sugar levels...thyroid tests etc... Remove stress out of the body by chirpractic type care. GED's. See if that doesn't straighten and reform at least 40% of the population.
The rest of them...chain gangs need to come back.
Liss
posted 21-May-2007 2:58pm  
Stop jailing people unnecessarily.
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