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Do you agree with Abortions?

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29Yes, I do.
13No, I don't
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Maarten
posted 21-Oct-2008 4:03pm  
I believe a woman should have the freedom to have an abortion if she wants.
cloudhugger Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 21-Oct-2008 4:03pm  
I agree that abortions are an option. I make no judgements on those who do. However, when I had learned from my sister she aborted a baby, I felt a grief like I had never felt before. I have never had to make any decisions like that for me or for any of my firends, I do not know how I would have responded. I don't think it is an easy way out of any situation, I believe that a baby will not ruin any one's life. However, sometimes when I hear someone has abourted, it was probably for the best.
Crayons
posted 21-Oct-2008 4:10pm  
Yeah, let's kill em babies.

Gee, I don't know. I think that it should be legal, but I don't agree that everyone should get one. It's not fun for the whole family.
Pomeranian
posted 21-Oct-2008 4:39pm  
You can't agree or disagree with an Abortion, seeing as they are not alive.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 21-Oct-2008 6:37pm  
What would I be agreeing with Abortions on? What is Abortions' stance on gay marriage? If Abortions is pro-gay marriage, then I agree with them.
dab Survey Qualifier
posted 21-Oct-2008 6:56pm  
As I said in qual, I agree that abortions happen. Now what was the question you wanted to ask?
Galomorro
posted 21-Oct-2008 9:41pm  
I agree that it should be a woman's choice to get an abortion, as it is HER body, and if she is not yet ready to raise a child for 18 or so years, then she should follow her own wishes and no one else's. It is no one else's bizness but her own.
Otter
posted 21-Oct-2008 10:03pm  
Sure! if you don't want it have it sucked out.
cantilever
posted 21-Oct-2008 10:35pm  
Yes - provide3d its done in hospitals - not in backyards with ire coathangers
llamamama
posted 21-Oct-2008 10:55pm  
Now, I'm still really iffy about abortions..I always picture them as dirty back alley things..not things that occur in doctors' offices. Now, I'm pretty sure the people that are pro-life are against abortion under any circumstances..For example, you are sick..You need to abort the baby to live. I'm pretty sure they would say, "Well, you can't abort the baby." Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
So, considering that I'm against that look on it..I mean seriously, what good is a baby to you if you're dead? But I'm definitely against abortion in general, you mess up, you need to deal with your mistakes, not punish someone else for them. And don't bring rape into this 99% of rape victims don't get pregnant in the first place, and most of those that do do not abort the baby..But I suppose that might go into a case where it'd be ok, but I'm thinking not..
So, now that I've argued with myself..I am going with No, I do not agree with abortions. There are so many better alternatives.
LJD Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Oct-2008 12:10am  
Yes, and no.
jettles Survey Central Subscriber Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Oct-2008 5:38am  
let's say, i agree with a woman's right to choose what is right for her and her family and i think that there is a lot more education to be given to people about sex and pregnancy. these are really bad choices.
Matty
posted 22-Oct-2008 7:53am  
Wrap it up in the American flag and call it freedom if it makes you feel better, but chopping up a baby and sucking it out of through a vacuum is infanticide. People talk about unwanted pregnancies as if they were bad consumer choices. But here's a new flash...if you don't want to get pregnant, don't let someone cum inside you.

As far as economics, that's bullcrap, too. What people really mean is that it will affect their current living standard. Between WIC, food stamps, welfare, and tuition assistance for unwed mothers, having children is not the hardship that baby killers pretend it to be.

Right to choose, my ass, it's the right to kill. Yet, some people get surprised when mothers boil, freeze, or commit other atrocities against their own children. This never surprises me. Don't doges eat their young? Aren't we animals?  * rolls eyes *

Now I realize this post will make me unpouplar, and a few of the regular very left-leaning pundits here will start to call me names (Nazi, chauvinist, etc.), but I don't care. I am holding a funeral for the baby we just lost because it was a person, not a choice. And all this talk about a child just being a choice sickens me to the core.
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 22-Oct-2008 7:54am  
> Yes, and no.

Hmmmph, your faith wavers yet again. Could you stand in front of Jesus Christ and tell him how abortion migh be ok?
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 22-Oct-2008 7:56am  
The wording of your question isn't good. I'm tempted to give a snarky reply asking what exactly abortions are saying that I should agree with or not. But, I'll try to answer what you probably meant instead.

Abortions are bad and in a perfect world, they would never happen. But people are prone to having sex and also prone to forgetting to use birth control. So, we tend to have a fair number of unwanted pregnancies. So, what can we do about that? Well, educating people (especially teenagers) about birth control is clearly important. Condoms are safe, easy to use and effective. They also reduce the risk of sexually transmitted diseases. So, we need to teach our kids about condoms and make sure condoms are available. But, due to human nature, there will still be unwanted pregnancies. OK, so here's your answer:

Pregnancy is a dramatic experience a woman goes through. It's not easy and it can cause permanent health problems even death. I believe a woman should have the choice to have an abortion or not. I think men and the government should stay out of it. It should be her choice primarily. If she wants the father and/or her family to help her decide, that's fine. But, ultimately, it's up to her. Even if she is under 18, it's her choice. It's a terrible choice to have to make. I think we should try to provide unbiased education and counseling for what each of the choices would mean. The alternative is unacceptable. Forcing pregnant women to have their child whether they want to or not is a terrible thing. This makes women similar to farm animals. I believe that for women to be truly equal in our society, they need to retain the right to chose if they want to have an abortion or not.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 8:24am  
I think it's similar to war. War is bad and when we engage in it people die, often it's a whole lot of people and often there are many innocent people who get killed too. But, we still do it, we even start wars, in the name of some cause or "freedom" (as you mentioned). Right now, innocent people are being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of wars that the United States choose to engage in. It's a trade-off, a horrible one. Capital punishment is somewhat similar as well, though hopefully the number of innocent people killed is much lower.

I think if someone is going to make the argument that abortion is killing and thus wrong, then they should also be against capital punishment and war. The only time I've ever seen this consistency is from religion leaders like the Pope or Dalai Lama.
Maarten
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 8:35am  
Matty wrote:
> But here's a new flash...if you don't want to get pregnant, don't let someone cum inside you.

I think abortion shouldn't be used as a contraceptive.
But what if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant? Or when she´s the victim of incest?
Should a woman be forced to carry an give birth to an unwanted baby?
Matty
(reply to bill) posted 22-Oct-2008 8:41am  
I have always been against capital punishment, as I consider it to be barbaric.

As far as war, I'm not against defending our nation against enemies. Iraq was a stupid waste of life, time, and money. But Afghanistan was a form of self defense as I see it. We had to dismantle the apparatus that was 9/11. Perhaps this is where we might disagree.

Having said all that, I agree that many in the pro-life movement are pro death penalty. This is incongruous as you have already said. You either value human life, or you don't.
Matty
(reply to Maarten) posted 22-Oct-2008 8:47am  
Rape and incest are red herrings as I see it; these combined are less than 1% of abortions performed in the States. The reality of abortion in the States is that women use abortion so as to not suffer economically, which quite frankly, is abhorrent to me.

But to answer your question, I would agree that a spermicidal wash to the uterous after a rape or incest is more than appropriate; it's humane for the mother. This should followed-up after a month to ensure no baby has taken hold. However, 5 months down the road, no way, it has become a child.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 9:05am  
To press my point.... you think it's acceptable for us to kill innocent people in Afghanistan (both our own soldiers with friendly fire and civilian Afghanis) in order to defend our nation. I'm sure you think it's unfortunate that the wrong people get killed in war, but you feel the trade-off is worth it. I think people who support abortion rights make a similar compromise.
Matty
(reply to bill) posted 22-Oct-2008 9:12am  
> To press my point.... you think it's acceptable for us to kill innocent
> people in Afghanistan (both our own soldiers with friendly fire and
> civilian Afghanis) in order to defend our nation. I'm sure you think
> it's unfortunate that the wrong people get killed in war, but you
> feel the trade-off is worth it. I think people who support abortion
> rights make a similar compromise.

Innocent people? Which ones were those? Everyone on whom I drew a bead was armed and had a part in attacking my home.

The fundamental difference between a war such as Afghanistan and abortion is that babies aren't trying to kill the mother. And this compromise you'r speaking of? What, it's ok to kill children so long as I preserve my ability to buy 4 pairs of shoes/month?

If you consider abortion and the Afghan war to be equivalent, then our disagreement is well beyond semantics.

moviesnob
posted 22-Oct-2008 9:19am  
I don't know Abortions opinion on anything, so I can't say I agree with him/her or not.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 10:08am  
You think no innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan? Surely, you've heard of US bombs missing their target. Or, killing people (sometimes children) nearby the intended target. These are just people who happened to live in some random place in Afghanistan. Are you saying that all people in Afghanistan are guilty/bad/terrorists?

What about the US soldiers who are killed accidentally by other US soldiers? This happens too, even some famous cases like that football player guy. There was a story last night on NBC news about a US mortar that hit our own soldiers, killing 1, injuring a few others. I don't mean to condemn war or the people who make mistakes. I think it's just a fact of war. Innocent people get killed in wars. There's a tremendous amount of evidence this is true. In some cases, the numbers have gone into the millions. When we choose to engage in war, we choose to make the trade-off that some innocent people will get killed.
Matty
(reply to bill) posted 22-Oct-2008 10:20am  
No, I was using hyperbole to make a point, and to remind you that I've been to these places Yes, there is some collateral damage. I mean, come on, really. You know who I am; I am more aware of collateral damage than any three people who visit your site. I've seen collateral damage first hand; I've seen genocide first hand. I am very aware of what the world is.

But this in no way comapres to women deliberately killing their children for convenience. I hope you're not comparing genuine mistakes made in the pursuit of our nation's security to women slaughtering children in order to go shopping when they wnat to. Surely you know that this is my point, Bill.

TeddyMiller Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 22-Oct-2008 10:49am  
Yes, or more accurately, I think women should be able to choose whether or not to get an abortion even in cases where I'd personally disagree with their choice.
paulyw Survey Central Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Oct-2008 11:00am  
No I don't agree with abortions. However, only time if the person can have an abortion is if the woman cannot survive a pregnancy.
Cain
posted 22-Oct-2008 11:08am  
Yes.
But no.
I don't know.
gambler Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Oct-2008 11:29am  
I think women/couples should have that option be available to them
Jody
posted 22-Oct-2008 12:24pm  
I can't imagine anyone agreeing with or liking abortions, but I do think they should be kept safe and legal so the women who choose to have them can do so without fearing for their health.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 12:33pm  
I see.
southernyankee
posted 22-Oct-2008 12:39pm  
What do you mean by "agree".

Agree as in should be legal, yes (up to some trimester).

Agree as in do I like the fact that so many women do it, especially given some many people out there willing to adopt, no.
dpurdy33
posted 22-Oct-2008 1:40pm  
Who condones murder?
meowry
posted 22-Oct-2008 3:29pm  
Such a double-edged question! I'm not going to answer it. What I believe or don't believe shouldn't matter to you, anyway.
Iseult Silver Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Oct-2008 5:42pm  
I'm pro-choice if that's what you're asking. However, I don't like the idea of abortions.
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to Matty) posted 22-Oct-2008 9:22pm  
Matty, Depending on the circumstances. I do not believe in abortion as a form of birth control. I do not believe that women of age, because it doesn't fit her schedule, should not have abortions. I believe that in the case of incest, rape, abortion to be permissible.

I study with a pastor of a church n Arkansas, and he said that in the case of rape, no matter the age, he said abortion is permissible. I think no girl or woman should have to bear a child of incest or rape. It will hurt her emotionally, and mentally. I once worked in a hospital where a mentally/physically handicapped woman was raped. I don't know the outcome of the case, but I feel the woman should have had it aborted.

I am researching for information on the Bible and Abortion. I'm not a scholar on the Bible, but I feel God is merciful.
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 23-Oct-2008 7:45am  
Paul to the Corinthians and Ephesians will tell you all you need to know
they
posted 23-Oct-2008 9:16am  
Yes, Abortions and I usually have similar opinions.

On the other hand, I would not agree with abortions for breakfast. Yuck.

they
(reply to Matty) posted 23-Oct-2008 9:18am  
I'm very sorry for your loss.

I lost one last year and didn't imagine it would be as hard to deal with as it turned out to be.
Matty
(reply to they) posted 23-Oct-2008 9:25am  
Thank you for the sentiment, and yeah, my wife is having some coping issues; I hope the funeral will help.

When the OB/GYN talked about disposing of the "remnants," my wife nearly gutted him with his own instruments. I mean it; she nearly jumped of the table/stirrups thing to attack him. He actually left the room until I calmed her down. She since went back to the doctor, and they talked things out, but I think she will find a new doctor soon. She still compares him to Hitler.
LJD Survey Qualifier
(reply to Matty) posted 23-Oct-2008 10:12am  
I believe God puts certain souls into people. Rapists mess with God's plan.
Joanne
(reply to Matty) posted 23-Oct-2008 2:09pm  
It's hard to go from elation to grief. You have my deepest sympathies.
Matty
(reply to Joanne) posted 23-Oct-2008 2:15pm  
Thank you for your support.
Liss
posted 24-Oct-2008 3:50am  
Yes, ok? Yes, yes, yes.

Let's solve more problems than we cause and let's get over this idea that little bubbles of flesh are people and let's realise that your religion is thousands of years out of date and let's just let people get on with their lives and let's not intrude because we're not the ones who have to deal with it, you know?
JohnCD
(reply to Matty) posted 24-Oct-2008 11:48pm  
> Wrap it up in the American flag and call it freedom if it makes you
> feel better, but chopping up a baby and sucking it out of through
> a vacuum is infanticide. People talk about unwanted pregnancies as
> if they were bad consumer choices. But here's a new flash...if you
> don't want to get pregnant, don't let someone cum inside you.
>
> As far as economics, that's bullcrap, too. What people really mean
> is that it will affect their current living standard. Between WIC,
> food stamps, welfare, and tuition assistance for unwed mothers, having
> children is not the hardship that baby killers pretend it to be.
>
>
> Right to choose, my ass, it's the right to kill. Yet, some people
> get surprised when mothers boil, freeze, or commit other atrocities
> against their own children. This never surprises me. Don't doges
> eat their young? Aren't we animals?  * rolls eyes *
>
> Now I realize this post will make me unpouplar, and a few of the regular
> very left-leaning pundits here will start to call me names (Nazi,
> chauvinist, etc.), but I don't care. I am holding a funeral for the
> baby we just lost because it was a person, not a choice. And all
> this talk about a child just being a choice sickens me to the core.

Well put Matty and I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, this post will probably make you unpopular like you said, just like some of my posts made me unpopular with most of the people (liberals) on this site. I don't care what the left wingers think of me either. I'm terribly sorry to hear about the loss of your baby. A friend of mine is dealing with the recent loss of their child as well and it hasn't been easy.
JohnCD
posted 25-Oct-2008 12:08am  
No, I don't agree with abortion used as a form of birth control. Life starts at the moment of conception and I firmly believe that abortion is murder. I've heard quite a few testimonies from women who were pro-choice and had abortions. Those same women are now pro-life and deeply regret their decision to have an abortion.
Joanne
(reply to JohnCD) posted 25-Oct-2008 12:19am  
Like me. December 19, 1974.
JohnCD
(reply to Joanne) posted 25-Oct-2008 12:30am  
> Like me. December 19, 1974.

I've heard the effects of an abortion can last a lifetime.
Joanne
(reply to JohnCD) posted 25-Oct-2008 12:42am  
Yes sir. Two hidden anniversaries in my heart - the date above and the due date in July. Of interest, my youngest child was baptized on December 19th (1992) and my darling son-in-law was born July 2, 1974. Isn't our God strange and lovely.
JohnCD
(reply to Joanne) posted 25-Oct-2008 1:01am  
> Yes sir. Two hidden anniversaries in my heart - the date above and
> the due date in July. Of interest, my youngest child was baptized
> on December 19th (1992) and my darling son-in-law was born July 2,
> 1974. Isn't our God strange and lovely.

Our God is awesome, the one and only true God.
Matty
(reply to JohnCD) posted 27-Oct-2008 7:36am  
Thank you for your support. My wife is still pretty melancholy after the miscarriage, even after the funeral this weekend. She constantly wonders what could have become of that child. The only consolation we have is that the Lord took his child before it could suffer the pains of this life, before the world hurt its soul, and before we became substandard parents. At least now, s/he will only know his/her divine father.
they
(reply to Matty) posted 27-Oct-2008 4:55pm  
I experienced a similar lack of empathy from the doctor who I first saw. When I found out I was pregnant, I didn't even have a regular OB.. so I made my first appointment with my regular doctor's office. It just so happened I started having the miscarriage the morning of the appointment. When he saw me, he sent me over to the hospital for an ultrasound, and didn't call me with the results until the end of his business day. When he called me back, he casually suggested I head up to an ER for a D&C to clean out the tissue. When I went to the ER, all they did was examine me and do another ultrasound. Then they sent me home to pass the "tissue" naturally. I was thankful for that, but not for the suggestion of a D&C -- which I clearly didn't require.
Matty
(reply to they) posted 28-Oct-2008 7:54am  
My understanding is that they no longer scrape the uterus. My wife and I had a funeral with just a small (the size of a compact) container with almost nothing in it. But the bottom line is that she bled for almost 2 weeks. She is still pretty upset.

As it turns out, though, she is going to keep her OB/GYN. Apparently, he apologized to my wife pretty strongly, citing that he never knows how to handle a miscarriage. And truth be told, I don't think he did anything wrong; he was just being straight-forward, clinical. I told him that latin ladies can be more emotional than what he might be used to, and all of us (even my wife) laughed. Plus, we did quite a bit of research to find this guy; I'm glad we don't have to do that again.
they
(reply to Matty) posted 28-Oct-2008 9:13am  
Yeah, that's what they told us at the ER... apparently, my family physician isn't very up to date on that end. I don't see that guy anymore. He was cold and ignorant.

The bleeding is the worst part... you feel like you are flushing your baby. It's pretty horrible.

I'm glad she has a doctor she feels comfortable with. I've been searching for years. I've lost most of my faith in doctors unfortunately.
they
(reply to Matty) posted 28-Oct-2008 9:15am  
I just realized that the army jacket I like so much is in my user picture. I have better pics on the other computer.
southernyankee
(reply to Liss) posted 28-Oct-2008 2:22pm  
"Let's solve more problems than we cause and let's get over this idea that little bubbles of flesh are people and let's realise that your religion is thousands of years out of date and let's just let people get on with their lives and let's not intrude because we're not the ones who have to deal with it, you know?"

Not really a good argument though. Abortion isn't really just a religious argument (like say gay marriage). Its a philosophical argument when the right to live begins and ends.

Also, you really can't just say people should mind their own business if its not their bodies. Its not that simple. Telling a pro-lifer that is a bit like telling an abolitionist during the 1870's that if they have a problem with slavery then they just shouldn't own any slaves, without shoving down their relgious morals onto others. See where thats going....


docgbrown
posted 31-Oct-2008 1:53am  
Mixed. Think they should be legal to choose but hope most will choose to let the little ones live
JohnCD
(reply to Matty) posted 2-Nov-2008 8:15pm  
> Thank you for your support. My wife is still pretty melancholy after
> the miscarriage, even after the funeral this weekend. She constantly
> wonders what could have become of that child. The only consolation
> we have is that the Lord took his child before it could suffer the
> pains of this life, before the world hurt its soul, and before we
> became substandard parents. At least now, s/he will only know his/her
> divine father.

My condolences go out to you, your wife and the rest of your family. A miscarriage is not an easy issue to deal with, especially for a woman. He/she is now with the Lord and in his hands and one day as a believer, you will be reunited. I seriously doubt you and your wife would have been substandard parents.

I had a sister who was killed in a car accident over 35 years ago when she was only five months old. Myself, my parents, and my brother and sister still wonder to this day what would have become of her. One day we will see her again.

Take care and I hope everything goes as well as it possible can under the circumstances.
JessicaWoman99 Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 8-Feb-2014 2:14pm  
No I do not if you do not want that baby adoption is far better than aborting that baby their are options?
JessicaWoman99 Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 8-Feb-2014 2:16pm  
Unless her life is in danger than I would be ok with it a womans choice
Zang
posted 25-Feb-2014 11:13am  
I think that more schools should assign abortions to their students for extra credit.  * grin *
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