What do you know about Arnold Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel?

Never heard of him.

Who, and what!??!

I've never even heard of him.

Hey, look, I'm not the only one!

Never seen him.

I read qualification. It's a shame that people equate sentimental language with bias. It would be, of course, except that you expressed sentimental language on bonh sides of the issue.
Now is the time you should be providing links and expressing your bias, while you still have a chance to be at the top of the comments and steer discussion.

I know that there is this survey about him/it that was in qualification for quite a while, other than that, just what I read in the explanation. I don't watch television. I used to watch televangelists back in the late seventies and early eighties before the Baker/Swaggart stuff. After that it was just too transparent, it was more fun when you just SUSPECTED that they were all slime balls.

I have no idea who Arnold Murray is, and I have no desire to learn more about him.

what about the "i haven't seen him" choice.

sorry, i didn't see it at first glance, so i changed my vote. sorry again.

haven't seen him. but BOY do i miss dr gene scott. total loon.

who?

Yes, I study with him every day, there are a few things we
see a bit differently, but I have checked him out in the word & know
he is a gifted Teacher.

If they don't live in either "Sunnydale" or Los Angeles, chances are I havn't seen them on TV.

rare for this day an age to see someone teaching the bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse day in and day out! Not giving heed to anyone except to the LORD! Lots of negative comments about this man!

one of very few teachers of the bible...not just some evangelist begging for money.

Arnold Murray teaches line on line, and precept on precept. There is nothing he teaches that can not be documented in God's Word. I have studied with the man for 15 years and he has driven me to dig deep into the scriptures, and I have never found him to be in error. Those who are critics of Arnold Murray and his ministry are simply biblically illiterate, and/or steeped in the traditions of organized religion; too blinded to see the truth unless it's spoon fed to them. Once you are saved, then it's time to get off the milk, get into the meat, and think for yourself!!! And as Arnold Murray tells all who hear him, don't listen to this man, or any other man without checking him out! Only a cult wants to tell you what you should believe.

Arnold Murray is no Biblical scholar! The man reads a strong's concordance and Bible commentaries! He has no provable education in Biblical languages, yet he says he is "Dr." Murray on his tapes! He says that he does not take any money for his work, yet he does ask for money at the end of the show!

Murray predicted that the anti-Christ or Satan would show up before 1981---did we miss him? Murray predicted that we were going to have tidal problems, storms and earthquakes, the first week in May. (We did not!) Then, he said, "Mark" May 17th! Something BIG is going to happen then....But of course it DID not!

The man is not just a harmless nice teacher! His teachings promote Racial division; his teachings cause fear and loathing for the "neighbors" that Jesus said to love. The Shepherd Chapel students are taught to be suspicious of Jewish people and some others, as they may be "Kenites" --who Murray pegs as actual sons of satan---Nazi's and skinheads love his teaching! Murray teaches that God made a special race of man, and he was white! He teaches that all other races were made on a different day of creation than the white man, who he wanted to show special favor on.

Murray, like most carnal men, is obsessed with sex! He sees it in almost every passage of the Bible! Eve had sex with Satan, in the garden of eden; Noah's son had sex with his mother; angels had sex with humans; and satan and his hordes are loose right now, fooling those who don't believe what Murray teaches, and those hordes are at work, again having sex with human women! Again, this teaches suspicion of the neighbors! It is vile!

Just so you know, this man does not represent true Christianity! The Bible says that there is no race, no distinction....we are all one, through Jesus Christ!

Murray pulled a gun on a heckler and you can hear a recording of it here: near the middle

I don't know anything about him except what I read in the explanation text.

PASTOR MURRAY IS BEST TEACHER I KNOW.THERE ARE MANY LIES ON NET ABOUT HIM,SATAN CAN NOT STAND PASTOR MURRAY.PASTOR MURRAY TEACHES YOU HOW TO STUDY THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF.HIS STUDENTS ALL SHARE A GOAL OF LEARNING WHAT OUR FATHER SAYS TO US THRU HIS WORD THE BIBLE.CHECK HIM OUT FOR YOURSELF WWWSHEPERDSCHAPEL.COM AND OPEN YOUR BIBLE WHEN YOU STUDY WITH PASTOR.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS MORE TO BIBLE THAN YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THEN STUDY SOME WITH PASTOR MURRAY..GOD BLESS PASTOR MURRAY AND ALL WHO STUDY WITH HIM.PRAISE GOD FOR ALL PASTORS THAT TEACH HIS FATHERS WORD!WOE TO THOSE WHO WOULD CAUSE ONE TO STUMBLE!I PRAY THAT EACH ONE OF YOU COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF HOPE AND TRUTH THAT IS IN JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR.TELL GOD THAT YOU LOVE HIM TALK TO HIM HE IS YOUR FATHER AND HE HEARS WHAT YOU SAY AND HE KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE THINKING EVEN NOW GOD BLESS WADE

Wow! Look what's popping out of the woodwork!

Please tell me what the lie is on that webpage. Sorry, but Murray's followers do not deny what he teaches. They only scream out that people are lying about their "gifted" teacher.

Come up with some valid arguments in his defense, if you wish to defuse the "gossip" about him!

There is no proof of the man's education, that is a fact; The man pulled a gun on a heckler, that is a fact. I saw it on his live program, Dec.28, 1998! The man promotes astrology, numerology, and some psychics such as Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce, that is a fact; this is forbidden in the Bible, so don't tell me that he knows his Bible! It is a fact that Murray insists that the Jewish people in Israel are the Devil's children, while the Bible clearly tells us that God would bring His people back to the promised land. It is a fact that Murray teaches that the races should not mix, and that God made his covenant with the white man; but the Bible says that we are all one in Jesus Christ; He has made failed predictions, That is a fact. The Bible says that anyone who does that, is a false prophet; and not to listen to them! So, my friend, who is the one who does not read their Bible's themselves? You and other Shepherd's Chapel followers!

Listen, the United States is a country where you are free to follow any kind of religion that you wish. Mr. Murray and his followers are free to believe whatever they want to! I don't deny that. But, what I am trying to do, is to point out, that what Murray says is true Christianity is actually another Gospel, a different religion than Christianity, so that those who are Christians, and those who seek Christianity will be warned, and not fooled by this nice and sincere man! I have no doubts that he is nice and sincere. A person can be sincerely wrong. People don't go out looking to belong to a cult! They don't wake up one day, and say, "I want to be fooled, and join a cult!" No, they are slowly introduced to it, a little at a time, until they have swallowed more than they ever imagined they would! You know, Jim Jones was a great guy. There was no doubt to those around him, that he loved God! He did wonderful work with poor people, and for the cause of Racial equality. He was beat up for loving the unloveable. But, little by little he and his followers started to add to the Bible, until Jones was presenting a different gospel!

Woah.... I had no idea....

Back in high school I was a member of a fantasy game club (D&D, pythonite types). Like cheer leaders we would disperse amongst the halls, and chant in unison:
Kool-aid {clap clap}
Cyanide {clap clap}
Jonestown {clap clap}
Massacre {clap clap}
Guyana Guyana
DEATH DEATH DEATH

I think the toll was something like 916 sucides and killings.
I still have a Paris Match (that was one graphic magazine) on the story. It also had a great story on 'Les Punks'.
I'm not making any point what so ever here so far.

I grew up in an Edgar Cayce Group and use the tarot for guidance counselling, even talking to the spirit of Christ, so I suspect that I may agree with some of what he does teach, though I haven't time for the research. I disagree with almost all enmity, so a gun carrying racist is not someone I am in a hurry to investigate. Some evil people have often been the guardians of advanced knowledge, but that doesn't make the teachers or their philosophies good. To play the devil's advocate here, anyone who has teachings based primarily on the bible, especially the new testament, and considers Christ to have been the foremost representative of God's word, has little choice but to call themself a teacher of Christianity. Sure it's not what you mean when you use the term, but it is the mans only option. Regrettably, I can already imagine the man's case against the jews, based on the premise that the laws were superceded by abidance in the word, or some other nonsense argument. Personally I don't care for any biblical scholarism, for the same reason that you do not care for Murray, that the word's God's chosen people were ever applied to a subset of culture. I am not a biblical scholar and will not be able to debate with you on such terms. I thank you for "we are all one, through Jesus Christ!", though the name may change, the oneness remains the same. I kindly remind you that publicly denouncing false doctrines is no different in quality than what Murray believes he is doing. At least you aren't shouting or carrying a gun. Everyone calling each other Satan is exactly what satan is about. Seeing God in everything is what God is all about. God contains, controls, and is all. All will eventually return to God as it always has been. It wouldn't show much faith in the creator to imagine that even satan wasn't part of the plan. ALL IS GOD. "For ours is the kingdom and the glory of heaven forever, amen." (probably the most useful thing I learned in kindergarten, building wooden boats was cool too though.)

and just because I can't resist picking on syntax, Yes, I agree, anyone who makes failed predictions is false prophet.

Never seen him, but on the subject of TV evangelists, has anyone seen Benny Hinn? That guy has to be King of the Comb-Overs! This guy has got hair from his neck glued over his head!

Why are you so ashamed of showing who you are? I'm interested, how much money this guy has got out of you for reading the Bible line upon line?

Benny Hinn, RIGHT! I forgot about him, you're right, he IS the King of the Comb-Overs! There's like a cavern between his hair and his scalp, so he can get the proper "televangelist hair-do".

I have never seen him, and "disagree" with what he teaches (he's a televangelist, I'm an atheist - it's a safe bet ).

I am in awe that such a person who is unknown by most people (according to the survey numbers) has inspired so much dialogue!

Why doesn't Benny heal his head? He also stated that he would like to take a "Holy Ghost machine gun" to Hank Hannegraft! (a heresy hunter)

You and I have much in common Kristal! You might like to read this website: "New Age"

I use to follow the same path that you are on now. At the end of the road, I hope to meet you.....

You also, may be interested in these sites: A Sadhu

visions of the Sadhu

More Noah theme. some excellent writing. I have had much of Sadhu Singhs experience myself, particularly seeing heaven on earth, being bathed in rivers of crystal spirit, etc. These examples though speak of those who did not have their awakening till they sought the salvation of christ. It is my belief that Christianity, I-consciousness, and pantheistic experience of divine consciousness are all reconcilable. There were some astute observations in there, the flavor of christian energy is a different bandwidth. As I see it, hinduism can explain christianity, christianity can not explain hinduism, and yet with some contemplation, christian thinking should remain the goal from either perspective. I-consciousness explains the creation of worlds, but the only world worth living in is one in which you have a selfless love of others and the divine force that holds it all together whethar you wish to be the most humble participant or one with the script writer. Another of us here has awakened recently, and though that person probably feels like they've graduated, I expect they will learn as I and the Sadhu did, that they are only in the first grade at that point. I don't want to bring up what may be in store for them, because they are experiencing positive divinity for the time being. Thank you for the sites. I would like to know more about you. You seem to feel in relation to I, as I do to them.

I might add that at the juncture in which sadhu Singh found his guru guru to be demonic, though he found a viable path (christianity), it can also be argued that he failed a test of his own former faith not unexpectable at that juncture. Had he been truly immersed in I consciousness, he would have realised that he had the power, being one with the writer of all worlds, to opt for another rewrite of his world in which his guru's did not become demons. In a sense, I suppose he did do that. His guru was guru for him at one point, and demon for him at another, according to the needs of his script. I have personally had the devil tear my world apart a few times. But with a blink of an eye I can stop it. If you are one with god, or have full faith in him as your shepard, you are immune to satan, unless you delude yourself otherwise. For me it takes the form of particle energy science in the hands of demonically inspired conspirators. The demons serve only to create challenge, change, fascination, and mostly tests of faith. No one has gotten hurt through my experiences, but the capacity certainly existed to be an agent to the invitation of destruction.

your url has a hostname with an underscore ("_") in it. that is not a legal character in the DNS and thus the link won't work for a lot of folks.

i study with Pastor Arnold Murray and he is a wonderful teacher

STRANGE AND BORING AT FIRST, THEN I REPENTED AND BEGIN TO LISTEN AND LEARN AND BE TAUGHT BY GOD'S WORD. NOW, I CANT HARDLY WAIT TO VISIT HIM IN THE MORNING (CHANNEL FOX 44) AND TO BE FEED BY THE SHEPARD AND EXERCISE MY STRENGTH BY THE WORD OF GOD. NOW, I MINISTER AND FEED GOD'S PEOPLE THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD. MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU AND GOD'S FAMILY FROM ME AND MINE

BLESSES AND PRAYERS,
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Pastor Murray said he has never taken a salary for teaching the word of God! and he does not say the Jews in Israel are the devils children! he says the Kennites are the children of Satan! and the Bible does teach that we should not mix the races that we should stay with our own race ( marriage) so the races would remain as God created them. i have watched Murray for over 15 yrs. and he has never promoted witchcraft etc. he condemns it just as much as God does! and i have never heard of him making any so called predictions that did or didn't come true! Like i said before God is a consuming FIRE! and you can tell He really did set this person's britches on fire! i can smell the smoke!

this is all untrue! now about the gun, i didn't see that program, and if he did do that, i am sure he had good reason for doing so, he would not do anything like that on tv with all watching him if it wasn't something he had to do. and why is it so hard for anyone to believe that Eve had sex with old Satan????? that tree of knowledge of good and evil is a symbol, not a literal tree. it was Satan. and where do you think those giants came from?? it was from the fallen angels having sex with those women in the book of Jude. read it kiddo. you need to wake up and smell the coffee! oh and the kenites are the sons of Satan. also Adam and Eve were formed on the eighth day. go on read it yourself. oh and i have never heard him make these so called predictions in the `5 years i have been listening to his teachings. and he says he does not take a salary for his teaching God's word.

I HAVE WATCHED PASTOR MURRAY FOR WELL OVER 17 YEARS, AND TO THIS DAY, HIS TEACHINGS REMAIN RIGHT IN LINE WITH FATHERS WORD.