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Do you feel alienated?

From anything.



VotesAnswer
22Sometimes.
13Not at the moment, but I have felt it before.
8I have always felt alienated.
4No and I never have.
1I don't know.
0Other (please specify)

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mandy
posted 8-Oct-2000 4:34pm  
Not anymore. I've never felt closer to my human family. It's a nice feeling after wallowing in dark seclusion for a very long time.
Jameseroo
posted 8-Oct-2000 10:20pm  
Not when I am drunk. haha! Then I am the life of the party!
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Gold Subscriber This user is on the site NOW (23 seconds ago)
posted 9-Oct-2000 12:39am  
I always had a sense of that until my spiritual birth until my spiritual birth at age 25, then I was joyously overwhelmed with a new found connection to everything, then I found I had to surrender my attachment to and belief in the world of individuals, then eventually I was able to return to that world with new knowledge about it all. Any sense of alienation at this point is my own delusion running the show. I have the power to interact in joy with other's but for reason's I don't know, choose not to use it often.
Zang
posted 9-Oct-2000 5:11am  
There was a time in my life when walking through a mall would make me feel like I was on the wrong planet. I seem to have gotten over it though.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 9-Oct-2000 11:31am  
Sometimes I feel as if I am observing the humans from another sphere/dimension or whatever. I feel alienated but I know it is of my own doing.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 9-Oct-2000 11:35am  
That's interesting about you sensing some kind of change within yourself at 25. I felt as if my world was ending. I felt like I was losing my mind. A lot of people I talk to say they experienced some kind of personal change around 25. I think biologically that's the time humans begin to age. Everything up to then was physical growth, and after then starts the spiritual growth.
Hotbabe
posted 9-Oct-2000 11:45am  
There have been times when I've felt alienated, but I realised why I was feeling like that and that the reason was within myself. I've managed to get rid of those feelings (at last!) and no longer feel alienated. The good thing is that getting rid of those feelings has improved my life greatly and I'm so much happier now.  * smile *
natsim
posted 9-Oct-2000 12:14pm  
I am trying to be less alienated from friends, less alienated from understanding the lives of people who are homeless and poor, less alienated from the way my food is produced. I don't feel alienated all that often, but I know that because I'm a white middle class person living in the US, there are a lot of issues I don't understand properly because of the protected, privileged life I live.
I definitely feel alienated from the US government operations because I'm a resident alien and can't participate in the structures here.
msgman Silver Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 9-Oct-2000 12:47pm  
I feel alienated from lots of things. Cactii, for example - I've never really understood them. And wasps. I've got no empathy for them at all.
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(reply to kaleb777) posted 9-Oct-2000 4:20pm  
'Sensing' is an understatement. The meaning of the details, my senses, and the structure of big picture reality were all totally replaced.
Yes, it was very much like my world ending over the span of three weeks. I had just gotten in to Siddha Yoga and had a kundalini transformation right away. And I was going crazy. I was writhing on the floor at work, and my co-worker who got me into it just said "I've been trained to throw a blanket over people like you". When 50% of what I had thought to be true, I expected the rest of it to go too. I didn't trust concrete to be solid. Later I found people who had had my kind of consciousness all their life, and even one woman raised in an Indian ashram who was just trying to learn individual consciousness. I learned 3 years later after adjusting that a group "the spiritual emergence network" specialized in rescuing people who had kundalini awakenings outside of a support group and had been consequently diagnosed schizophrenic. Their existence was helpful in proving my case to my mom who had doubts that I was undergoing a spiritual transformation because most of my experience was miserable (kriyas and a burning of karma).
Have you had the experience of conversing like this right in front of people you know, and it's as if you stepped out of time?; If they're not ready, they don't even hear.
Jemmy
posted 9-Oct-2000 6:35pm  
At times.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 10-Oct-2000 10:26am  
I have been talking to someone, and it's as though my body keeps talking some crap to them while my mind moves up another level and begins to critique the whole situation. It's usually at that point I realise I don't want to talk to this person any more. Perhaps that's just boredom. I'm not entirely familiar with much of the terminology you use but your mention of schizophrenia made me realise that although I had an extensive network of friends who were under 25 when I was, none of them struck me as being anything but mentally strong and "normal" (whatever that is). Today, many of my friendships have changed due to geography, and everyone I associate with is over 25. I can say that every one of them has some kind of weirdness. The difference is marked. Perhaps I am more critical of people since my own "metamorphosis" at 25.
North79
posted 10-Oct-2000 12:45pm  
Not at the moment, but I have. Not having a "race" for example.
TeddyMiller Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 10-Oct-2000 1:38pm  
I sometimes feel alien, like humans are a different species, and I have to just take for granted how they behave, without really understanding it except as abstract intellectual concepts.
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(reply to kaleb777) posted 10-Oct-2000 4:00pm  
Perhaps we are just digging deeper, but I had the same environment change regardless of geography or social attire. If I hadn't met a couple of people with high spiritual development still successful in business, I could easily conclude that one has to sacrifice worldly power and wisdom for spiritual power and wisdom.
As to your experience: I call it 'out of mind' after the term out 'of body'. I once conversed with a minister and our conversation went up levels of metphor, connection, and significance (we became the logos) and yet my consciousness drifted above my mind (physically) such that our deep conversation was a mechanization to observe. My best computer programming was done 'out of mind' while in a state of worship with my rock & roll radio. I'm finding that chanting Nichirens liturgy (Nam myo ho ren ge kyo etc. etc.) is best done going 'out of mind' or more specifically living in field awareness. It provides a platform in which you can speak psychically with the others while the body taps into ancestral spirit.
Do you object to this expanded weirdness. In former times they would have enshrined us or burned us at the stake. Now providence has us run into each other around the globe to compare notes. People being told that what they experience does not exist is bound to develop some eccentricities. Society has evolved so specifically that it's hard for a 'right brain'er to fit in, let alone someone who's jumped into an adjacent spectrum.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 11-Oct-2000 10:44am  
Weirdness or whatever different beliefs or characteristics people have are cool with me. I draw the line when people use the words mustn't, or must at me. I believe in individual freedom and detest the current PC dogma that is being forced on western society. People should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they don't expect others to do the same or to pay for what they are doing financially, physically or in any other way.

I like the 'out of mind' type of experience because it's as though I step back and survey the situation with a clearer mind. I tried to go out of body once, got a fright and felt as though I literally fell back into my body. Later I read about a guy who worked for the US government, going out of body to spy on Iraq. He said in his book that when you're out of body, dark forces try to scare the crap out of you. Fudge that! I'll never try THAT again.
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(reply to kaleb777) posted 11-Oct-2000 5:27pm  
I'll vouch for all you said in the second paragraph. My experiences also included the sensation of being electrifyed when doing it. Didn't entirely stop me but did scare me substantially. I tend to drift peacefully out of body when doing devotional chanting.
mandy
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 11-Oct-2000 7:51pm  
I felt really cold and I could hardly breathe as I was pulled up and out....sort of like the feeling as you are going into a full blown panic attack and cannot breathe air in...shallow....tingly....heart racing....and then silence air rushing...dark....and I was out over the sound flying....looking down at the black night water and I was cold. I have tried since, and get as far as the shortness of breath and I stop myself. I didn't see anything scary.
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posted 12-Oct-2000 1:31am  
Very much like the night of my awakening 12 years ago. I was in a black tunnel and wailing spirits were rushing past me. My body was parylyzed as a golden aura feeling crept up my spine and was approaching the crown of my head (my doctor called it sleep paralysis). Monks at the ashram told me I went to the buddhist void before I could ask my question. The next day was my out of body chanting, by three weeks, the world became my guru, by three years the world was a manifestation of my thoughts, by 12 years I attempt every thing you've ever read in scriptures or sci-fi/fantasy novels while continuing to operate as an individual. I'm not sure that's that what you're describing, but I did pray you would have the experience some unmemorable time back. My guru was a shakti-pat guru, renowned for launching kundalini awakenings just from meditating on her photo. If this is your experience, you've given me increased purpose, and I thank you tremendously.
I never had the internal tunnel experience again, now they're something you can see in the room that look like the wormhole in the TV show 'sliders'.
mandy
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 14-Oct-2000 1:35am  
Something has happened to me. I thank you if part of your energy helped me. Now everything has a deeper meaning. Cars ahead of me shout to me to "Focus" and billboards tell me things while songs on the radio echo in reply. It is amazing. I am full of love and other people seem different, affected by the change in my energy. I am sleeping so much better.
mandy
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 14-Oct-2000 1:37am  
I am no longer afraid. Worry has been replaced with calm understanding and acceptance. I don't have to be cold to be strong. I don't have to be dark to have power. I am free.
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(reply to mandy) posted 14-Oct-2000 3:54am  
Everyone of those were part of my goal here months ago for many, but I was particularly working on and wishing for you. Everyone of those is something I hoped to pass on to you. There is so much more to learn, but you have the syllabus now. Eventually you'll be creating a heaven in your wake. Right now it sound's like your still solely in training and self-inquiry (which I imagine goes on forever). The challenges can become far more intense, your physical reality isn't changing yet (though I'm sure you have a much different conception of cause and effect now), remember always that you are one with the eternal source of creation, you are more powerful than satan or kali which might cross your path occasionally. If you refer back to my 'what level do you hear on' survey, it will probably make much more sense to you now, and give you some fresh idea's on side roads and directions to take now that you're in with the logo's. I remember when you recognized that there could be a personal meaning in every word, while someone else argued that such things would lack congruity and direction, were merely random unconnected cues and a personal interpretation was self-delusion. I'm glad you've found otherwise. I was at that time willing myself to be the radio and billboards to a dozen or so SC users simultaneously and attempting to interpret every personal channel of interpretation simultaneously. It was a tall order, and not one I feel up to repeating any time soon. But you alone have made it worth my efforts.
The logos can cripple and destroy too if you ever let fear or hatred into it. Keep your blessing. Right now you are working on being awake; when you get a great deal of it, you might choose to go back to sleep as a means of experiencing creation, if you do that you may be used to higher levels of reality physics, but forget your role in it, and succumb to an 'other'.
Explore.
mandy
posted 15-Oct-2000 2:22pm  
 * smile *  * smile *  * smile *  * smile *
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(reply to mandy) posted 16-Oct-2000 1:46am  
By the way, back when I got Freya to relay advice on forgiving your father, whatever became of that? Did he die or get better? Did you ever establish a communication compromise. You know, I had to lie to you push the plan, like when I said three times something about how despicable he was. I was going on weak intuition there, but knew you felt that way, and had to meet you where your were. I tell you these things in case you ever take on the task of transforming people.
mandy
posted 16-Oct-2000 7:07pm  
My father died. He called me about two weeks before he passed and told me he loved me. He also wrote me a letter and sent a small amount of money for my daughter and a photograph of himself. He apologized for not keeping in touch with me better and said it was because he didn't like to write letters and seldom picks up a phone. I did not go to his funeral. Instead I imagined him in the passenger seat of my car and I took him for a drive to a nearby golf course and we laughed like when I was little.
He loved me but couldn't move past my sexuality and my choice to love a woman. I believe now that he is close to me and that we shall meet again, either here or after somewhere else as friends or family....I believe he sees my happy life and sees my luck at love and celebrates in starlight and moonbeams and light dancing over water. He is never far from me.

He left me a small ceramic statue that my aunt had made to resemble him...playing golf......and his most precious and treasured possession...his bible.
BlueberryMuffin
posted 17-Oct-2000 9:24am  
I have always felt alienated.
natsim
(reply to mandy) posted 17-Oct-2000 4:20pm  
I'm really glad to hear about the healing that's happened. Thanks for sharing it with us. May it always continue!
mandy
(reply to natsim) posted 17-Oct-2000 8:10pm  
(((((Hug)))))Thank you dear.  * smile *
Hotbabe
(reply to BlueberryMuffin) posted 18-Oct-2000 6:53am  
In what way? Why do you think you feel like that?
BlueberryMuffin
(reply to Hotbabe) posted 18-Oct-2000 10:42pm  
I've just never felt like I fit in with any facet of society or culture. I am unique unto myself. As a child I tried to fit in but as an adult I've resigned myself to my own individuality. I'm a loner.  * smile *
Hotbabe
(reply to BlueberryMuffin) posted 19-Oct-2000 4:30am  
A loner, I'm sure thats not true, otherwise you wouldn't have a husband and many people who like and care about you.
BlueberryMuffin
(reply to Hotbabe) posted 20-Oct-2000 4:12am  
I met my husband on the internet. I've met everyone I ever dated on the internet because I can be more open with people here. In real life I come across too reserved, shy, and eccentric... the girl hiding in the shadows.
Hotbabe
(reply to BlueberryMuffin) posted 20-Oct-2000 4:50am  
I find that I can talk to anyone about anything on the internet, but in reality I find that I have heaps of confidence around men, but tend to be shy around females.
BlueberryMuffin
(reply to Hotbabe) posted 20-Oct-2000 5:51am  
I'm equally shy around everyone though I do get along better with men typically.
Hotbabe
(reply to BlueberryMuffin) posted 20-Oct-2000 8:00am  
Then there's the problem of having loads of male friends, who are friends with you for the wrong reasons. Which is ok, until they dis-own you because you can't or won't give them what they want out of the friendship.
BlueberryMuffin
(reply to Hotbabe) posted 20-Oct-2000 5:11pm  
Ah.. I always give them what they want.
Hotbabe
(reply to BlueberryMuffin) posted 21-Oct-2000 4:17pm  
Thats ok if you want to give it to them, but I find that I don't.
micah
posted 28-Oct-2000 6:31pm  
Sometimes. This isn't my world. I've adapted a hell of a lot better than most people, but still feel out of place. I want to go home.
jkiehart
posted 3-Nov-2000 3:38pm  
*sigh*, yes... yes I have...
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