(Women only answer please) Have you ever had problems with your pantyhose sagging or wrinkling at awkward moments, and (in comments field) if so how did you cope with the situation? Would you pay extra for hose guaranteed to stay in place all day?

I don't wear them.
When I did I hated them.

how did this pass qualification?

I am plagued by this, and yes it is very embarrassing. If someone knows a way to stop it happening, or invents a new type of hose that stay up without constant yanking, I'd love to hear about it!

What a terrible survey. You're asking two different questions, but the girls here can only answer one of them.

I would pay extra for panty hose that actually fit. Fortunately, I only have to wear hose to dress occasions once or twice a year - my job affords me the luxury of wearing jeans most of the time. I hate panty hose. I think if men had to wear them, they'd cost under a dollar, fit like a glove, and be completely run-proof.

Head for the nearest bathroom and pull them up. I've only had it happen with cheap brands.

It never happens because I don't wear them.

Apparently, sequel changed her vote from 'needs work' to 'hopelessly flawed'. This caused ASEXYBABE's 'needs work' vote to be overridden by msgman's 'override' of sequel's vote. Thus, sequel's change to HF actually allowed the survey to be released. Ironic?

It's pretty screwed up, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

Would it be too complex to make an override valid only for a specified vote? For example, if two people had marked a survey as 'needs work' but only one of them had a reasonable objection, then you could override the other one but leave the reasonable objection to stand.

Also, could you stop overrides working upwards? Make it so that they can only apply to comments older than the override.

I voted "override" to sequel's vote because I think that restricted surveys are fine, as long as it's clear that they are. Not everyone can answer every question, I think it's just plain silly to expect to do so. But ASEXYBABE's comment was valid, and I wouldn't have overridden that if I'd seen it.

It happens, but it doesn't bother me.

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I think thats a good idea about working downwards I was trying to suggest that in the feedback but was unable to express myself without confussing bill.

The downward thing doesn't work because sequel could have re cast her vote to get on top of your override - that's the other factor in all of this. There can't be a way for a user to wiggle out of an override. I think changing her vote from NW to HF is a form of wiggle, but I also think it backfired on her because it caused the survey to be released.

Personally, I don't think surveys which exclude a large part of their audience are good. I don't think it's good to require that many voters will have to cast an abstain vote. Abstains don't mean "I can't answer", they mean "I don't want to answer". I feel all surveys should make an effort to cover most of the possible range of answers. Leaving out major sub groups (like male of female) really ruins a survey. ...but, that's just my opinion.

I would have though that the 50% rating requirement might have held this one back.

I see your point about wriggling out of an override. I disagree on the exclusion factor - I think that it can sometimes spoil a survey to try and include people who simply can't answer it. If a survey is well worded, that's OK - for example, my "Men: How's it hanging" survey got through with no problems (other than some valid comments which is took into account). A lot depends on what the point of SC is. I don't suppose I can really answer that.

How hard is it to add an option like "I'm a man" or simply don't say "Woman only", make it inclusive. Men can wear hose. If you want to know the answer of only the women, use the advanced stats.
You could have done the same with the "how's it hanging" survey.
I think excluding large parts of the population of voters is rude, and there's just not need for it.

no.

that was a rhetorical question

how about having HF votes hold up a survey like NW votes do?

I used to wear some gorgeous white fishnet like hose which were too short so I had to make a sort of pseudo garter belt. My only problem is when a nail snags my hose; it's hard to imagine anyone having problems with sagging hose unless they're wearing silk or victorian lace. I think there are more serious problems like making alarm clocks cat proof or umbrellas strong enough to withstand jumping off buildings.
Oh, I see now. People now use 'sagging' to mean falling down at the waist, and not the meaning that existed prior to the advent of the elastic nylon.

Pantyhose suck. When I wore them they were always either sagging at the crotch, or the waist would roll down. Maybe they were a cheap brand, or maybe they just don't make 'em for fat chicks!

That's why I said it depends on what the point of SC is (which, of course, only you can really know ). If it's just for fun, then I agree that it's important to include everyone as much as possible. But if there's any intent to carry out serious research here, then we have to allow targetted questions, otherwise we are (paradoxically) severely restricting the type of questions that can be usefully asked. As someone who has done some work in market research, I know how important it is to make sure that you're asking the right people when you ask the questions, if you want to have useful answers.

Were just not getting the appropriate demographics on this survey. We've got guys yakking here with no opinions or experience in the subject of inquiry.

On the subject of the survey quality, this could have had an option for "I've never worn pantyhose" rather than asking only women to answer. But any time there are new people making surveys, they're bound to do some of these silly things that others here have discussed several times. We all have to learn sometime.

It used to happen when I wore pantyhose; stockings and a garter belt fixed that, and are way sexier.

but, with the advanced stats you can get that info. So, there's no need to ever exclude people based on sex.
...and the site is more about fun that anything serious. I don't think it's a good idea to make any judgments based on data acquired from SC.

Hey!! Some men wear hose too, you are going to exclude a portion of sales because you believe only women wear hose????

Many thanks to all who answered this survey. There have been a number of posters asking why men or non-hose wearers were not included. Essentially, our finances being what they are we can only, at this stage, launch a few lines, and since female hose wearers are in the majority we naturally decided to begin with women's pantyhose.

This is not to say we dislike the idea of men wearing hose, but as men's pantyhose are constructed differently (a fly opening, and a different construction) we simply can't make both at this stage. Male hose wearers, please realise this was not meant as a put-down... we accept your right to wear hose as well. But it is simply that the opinions and experiences either of male pantyhose wearers, or those who don't wear hose at all were outside the parameters of the information we needed.

Hope this clears things up

Regards
Deb and Sara

It used to happen occasionally, but as I don't wear hose any more, it's not a problem that I have much interest in. Generally I just pulled them back up if and when it happened.

I am not amused that I'm being blamed for this surveys' passing.

I originally thought this survey could be fixed, by including men. Then, 1. The survey creator evidently had no interest in fixing it, and 2. I also realized that it was being used for commercial research, which I don't think someone should do (without paying bill!), so I voted hopelessly flawed.

It's pretty clear to me that the qualification system itself is flawed. And users and survey creators as well often aren't interested in making/helping to make a decent survey. I won't be blamed when all that adds up to surveys like this being released. Evidently, at least 5 people voted "reasonable", and the approval rating was at least 50%.

No one is *blaming* you, it's just a coincidence that your change of vote made this hopeless survey qualify.
So lighten up, gurl.

That's why I tend to stay away from the qualification process. It seems to make people grumpy.

So what?

I am a guy who wears hose during the winter to keep warm, and I need hose to stay up, and yes I would pay extra.

I wear Sheer Energy hose and they cling well enough so this is not a problem.

I don't wear tights, so i put never

Need to buy good hose not the drug store brand!

Exactly. Quality pantyhose don't sag or wrinkly in those unsightly ways. They are also far more comfortable!

I wear vintage fully fashioned stockings (or new fully fashioned stockings made in the old fashioned way on the original, vintage weaving machines) with a girdle or garter belt everyday and they always stay securely in place. Sometimes, the old-fashioned way is still the best way, most of the time, in fact.