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| essay | 18-Sep-2010 | politics/religion | LJD | by votes | 28 | 2 | 41.1% |
| User | Comment |
|---|---|
| Liss | posted 18-Sep-2010 7:13pm |
| Liss | posted 18-Sep-2010 7:16pm w/r/t the East Germany comment - ironically, Germany has one of the world's highest recycling rates; and promotes that through fining 'offenders'. They are saving hundreds of potential, future lives through so-called 'fascism' - 'fascism' that only requires a two second difference between one coloured bin and another. All this while listening to Talking Heads's '(Nothing But) Flowers' |
| bill | posted 18-Sep-2010 8:14pm What was the question again? It's hard for me to relate because I pay a guy to empty my dumpster. My town doesn't have trash pick-up. I take our recycling to the recycle center (our town has one) myself every 3-4 weeks. Live free or die! |
| southernyankee | posted 19-Sep-2010 1:17am If its actually happening, this it is very bad and thank you for pointing this out. And if its not actually helping, stop using SC as your sound board to spread conspiracy theories and stop creating "surveys" which are actually the text equivalent off push polling. |
| southernyankee | posted 19-Sep-2010 1:24am Also, out of curiosity, how exactly are RFID chips going to help detect people who don't recycle. Unless the RFID chips are actually installed inside the items themselves, putting them inside the bins wouldn't do you any good. Whoever wrote this crap needs to take a computer science or engineering class or something. |
| LJD | posted 19-Sep-2010 3:00am This is no joke...we are traveling on a wrong path when this sort of thing takes place....very troublesome. They are also putting RFID chips in childrens shirts in school..... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/reading-writ... Trash cans.... http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/09/dont-recycl... |
| LindaH | posted 19-Sep-2010 12:10pm I don't know about the trash cans. That's pretty over the top to me. Why not just make curbside recycling more widely available, taking care of the issue wide scale? then it won't matter as much when a soda can gets thrown in the wrong bin here and there... As for the kids jackets at school - Aren't admin supposed to always know the kids' whereabouts and movements throughout the school day anyway? I wouldn't be so much concerned about the kids' movements being tracked as I would about teachers letting the technology make them less vigilant. "Where's Joey?" "Don't worry, he had his chip jacket on..." |
| Enheduanna | posted 19-Sep-2010 12:29pm How did this pass qual? Talk about biased. |
| Liss | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 19-Sep-2010 1:33pm Sorry, I just wanted to see the response. And the creator. |
| Iseult | posted 19-Sep-2010 2:16pm Please summarize in ten words or less. |
| southernyankee | posted 19-Sep-2010 8:44pm I should also add, one of my pet peeves is media which doesn't understand science and technology. This is a fine example of what not to do: From LJD link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/reading-writ... "If RFID records show a child moving around a lot, could she be tagged as hyper-active? If he doesn't move around a lot, could he get a reputation for laziness? How long will this data and the conclusions rightly or wrongly drawn from it be stored in these children's school records?" No, RFID chips generally aren't good for doing something like that. RFID's don't track their own location, at least not by themselves. What you need is some external reader, such as a loop current, or some radio communicator. But in that case, you would just know that the RFID chip is nearby. You wouldn't actually know its precise location, and I doubt an RFID chip would be accurate enough to detect hyper-activity. For that, you would need a GPS device, which I assume the author was getting at. GPS and RFID are two different things. I am kind of disappointed in EFF on this. I would have expected a lot better from them. |
| Lysannus | posted 20-Sep-2010 5:20am To me this seems like a waste of tax money. Where I live in NY we have had recycling for nearly 20 years (no chips needed). The reason that it was started was that the county landfill quadrupled there charge for dumping and of course that was passed on to the consumer. Recycling didn't cost anything to pickup so all paper, glass, plastic and cans went in that which cut our garbage down to 1/2 a can a week or less, but we put out nearly 2 full recycling bins a week. Which was great since a can of trash (40lb. limit) cost us $2.50. |
| FordGuy | posted 20-Sep-2010 7:03am What Iseult said. |
| kaleb777 | posted 20-Sep-2010 9:00am First of all, I believe people get the government they deserve. This scheme will only result in waste being dumped illegally all over the place. If you are going to be fined for putting out too much garbage, people will burn it or dump it in parks or vacant blocks. A lot of "green" policy is not thought out at all. One city in Australia banned plastic bags at supermarkets, so people who used to used these plastic shopping bags as bin liners then had to buy plastic bin liners, with the first thing to go into the bin being the bag the bin liners came in. Result, more plastic than ever. The stick approach is rarely as effective as the carrot. |
| kaleb777 | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 20-Sep-2010 9:03am AT least this survey didn't have a person's name mentioned, which I always thought was against SC policy. |
| Enheduanna | (reply to Liss) posted 20-Sep-2010 10:49am You just wanted to force your "survey" agenda down our throats! We just think we're free! |
| Liss | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 20-Sep-2010 10:52am that's 'we just think we're free, ma'am' to you |
| Enheduanna | (reply to Liss) posted 20-Sep-2010 11:03am I'm older than you, you young punk! Kids these days don't know how to speak properly to their elders! |
| cloudhugger | posted 21-Sep-2010 11:44pm Our garbage can is full of used cat litter. I hope they stick their nose in there and take a giant whiff. |
| jettles | posted 25-Sep-2010 6:03pm OH MY GOD......... could you just not have listed the websites and let us decide the commentary for ourselves!! WOW!! |
| Biggles | posted 31-Oct-2010 7:41pm I'm not reading all that. I think it's likely to be biased when it follows a question about "green agenda tactics". |
| Irene007 | posted 19-Mar-2011 2:06am I have so much to say about RFID that there isn't enough room here to type it all... |
| Zang | posted 25-Nov-2012 7:56pm It sounds like a fine idea, it is too bad that (with all that verbiage) you never really explained how it works. ... I did get a vague idea. |
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I just finished working for the recycling department of a council which chips bins.
But, really, the council got cba over the chipping and only really used them to track bins down...
With issues like this, it's important to breathe. It's some bins. You choose to live in whatever area you live in. You are paying (taxes) for a service. Taxes are everywhere. If you don't like your area's policies, move. It really is as simple as that.
I would feel differently if this became nationwide, or if the chips were actually cameras, and the cameras homes.
This isn't 'green agenda', I don't think. What does that even mean? What's the agenda? To punish people? - that would be weird, wouldn't it? Maybe it's really to raise money from a good cause. Two birds, one stone.
This isn't really a survey response, just some thoughts. *shrug*