Which side is honest in the healthcare debate?

I don't think the angry people are dishonest, they just seem to have false impressions.

Obama hasn't said much more than trying to correct the false impressions.

I think the news media coverage has been really bad. I blame the media! Seriously, though, they suck. Most people have no idea what is being proposed in the bills. The proposed bills are very very long. The media has a role to play here, helpding people understand what it's all about, but they just seem to focus on whoever is shouting and saying crazy things.

I don't get CNN anymore, so I haven't been following American politics much lately.

What does this tell you about our AMA medical dictatorship?
http://health.msn.com/medications/articlepage.aspx...


One of the sad realities of ignoring history is that almost every American is ignorant of the fact that medical freedom was tragically left out of the American Constitution. In 1776, Dr. Benjamin Rush, Surgeon General and the only American doctor to sign the Declaration of Independence, tried strenuously, but failed, to have “medical freedom” enshrined in the Constitution. He feared that, “the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship.” He estimated it would happen within 60 years, and his fears were well founded, as in 1839 the AMA was founded and immediately began to ostracize the then popular, and what was referred to as the enemy, homeopathic doctors from its medical ranks. Doctors were even disbarred from hospitals where homeopaths practiced. Even before the formation of the AMA, orthodox doctors had seized powerful positions of prestige, and unfortunately, George Washington was one of their early victims, bled to death by the then orthodox practice of blood letting. This early AMA medical practice of shunning the competition would be strictly illegal today, that is, in every field except medicine. Any doctor today getting caught following Hippocrates’ examples of preventive medicine and letting the patients decide, is in danger of having his license revoked. This is done in the name of public protection. Tragically, the real protection is for the staggeringly high profits of the drug companies. It is therefore obvious that the only corrective prescriptions to cure the ills of modern medicine would be an amendment to the American Constitution enshrining medical freedom; thereby allow both doctors and patients the right to practice and to preach preventative medicine.
“Each and every American citizen has the right to choose and to practice the form of medicine that the citizen deems most beneficial to personal health, without economic, physical, political, or verbal interference or abuse, and any institution or governmental agency assigned to protect the state of the individual’s health should be empowered only to make recommendations that do not infringe or prevent the individual’s right to choose and to practice any form of medicine.”

Excerpt from “Death by Diet” by Dr. Robert Barefoot, chemist

I worked in the medical field for eight years, and saw many barbaric actions. We need preventative, holistic medicine. The only medicine the AMA offers half way decent, is emergency care, and that is even questionable.

This is about control, over who lives and dies....I think the plan is wicked

What? It's not about honesty or dishonesty. It's about who has what motives and interests on the issue. There's not actually a right and a wrong or a truth and a lie in the healthcare debate. It's way more complicated than that.

I'm not sure

The side that isn't using threats and harrasment. The side that isn't being bussed in by insurance lobbyists. The side that doesn't make up stuff like death panels because it knows it can't win the argument based on fact so it has to scare the crap out of the uninformed. The side that doesn't carry racist signs (as if the Presidents skin color has ANY bearing on HEALTH CARE).

I'd say no one is 100% right. Obama won't even make a clear distinct explanation anyone can understand. People on the other side are likely overly-paranoid about it. The fact is though - the majority of people DON"T want it. If Obama doesn't acknowledge that and give it up he's done.

Not the Republicans... but I don't know much about the "angry people" - I saw a few clips, but wasn't really following the story until all the attacks on the NHS started.

Dang... who knows?

I'd say both.
I support free, or part funded healthcare.

But I get both sides have their agenda that means a lot to them.

Statistics can be manipulated to suit both sides of an arguement.
That;s why there is an arguement.

I don't trust either. I mean the people on the ground at the townhall meetings mean well and generally believe what they say, but then there's cynical people egging them on. On the other side is the government, who is pretty notorious for lying. Its really just people fighting fire with fire and having shouting matches.

Bah.