Are human beings more important than all other animals?

Every creature was born for a reason, but as written, all were born to make human life easier..

I'm sure they are to most other humans. If your talking about a more cosmic scale though, I'm sure the rest of the Universe would get along fine if the Earth were to be destroyed tomorrow.

Yes if you're a human.
No if you're a star.

Both are important, but man is to have dominion over the animals. That does not mean to abuse them. Animals have a purpose, being loving pets, and helpers to humans.

Not always. If a dog was attacking a child abuser, how many people would find the guy more important than the dog?

No.

To ourselves we are, which is as it should be. Biology dictates that species, on the whole, protect themselves over other species. We can't do other animals much good if we're not around, can we? Ensuring our own survival allows us to ensure the survival of other animals. It's just important to keep in mind that good stewardship of the environment, including other animals, is in our best interest as well.

No, of course not. Human beings have an over inflated opinion of themselves. This is the number one problem in this world. A world, we are slowly destroying.

Maybe the best thing is for humans to leave this world asap, and let nature start over again. With the astronomically low odds on the exact human being specie arising again, earth would most likely be better off.

> Every creature was born for a reason, but as written, all were born
> to make human life easier..

Let's pick an animal then: the mosquito: What is the reason for these creatures?

> To ourselves we are, which is as it should be.

Don't you think humans, as by far the most intelligence species, should have the 'intelligence' to realise that we aren't the more important (even to ourselves) and that we can survive quite easily without this though process.

No, I really don't. I'm not saying we shouldn't treat animals humanely, but I don't think we should think of them all as equally important to our own species. I think it's incredibly reductionist to argue that all species should be equally important. Would you tell a parent that they should protect someone else's child over their own child?

To humans they are

> No, of course not. Human beings have an over inflated opinion of themselves.
> This is the number one problem in this world. A world, we are slowly
> destroying.
>
> Maybe the best thing is for humans to leave this world asap, and let
> nature start over again. With the astronomically low odds on the exact
> human being specie arising again, earth would most likely be better
> off.

This is not necessarily so. Human beings are not the first living things on Earth to destroy other species. A couple of billion years ago, the only living things on earth were a peculiar family of microbes, and they held sway for a very long time. Then, around a billion years ago or so, a new species of microbe came into being in the oceans. They had a different metabolism than all the other microbes then living and began filling the Earth's atmosphere with a deadly poisonous, highly corrosive gas, creating pollution on a massive scale. A few million years after this process began, more than 90% of the original microbes inhabiting the Earth were extinct. Those microbes that died out were anaerobes, and the gaseous pollution which killed them was oxygen.

Now, humans are the dominant species on Earth. Perhaps not in biomass, but in influence. We are likewise filling the Earth's atmosphere with gaseous pollution. I am not saying this is good. But consider for a moment that humans, much as we seem to like to think otherwise, are a part of nature. I personally have never bought into the unbridgeable dichotomy between "natural" and "man-made". I fail to see why a beaver dam is "natural", but the Hoover dam is not. Why a beehive is "natural" but a skyscraper is not.

Human beings have yet to alter the Earth's ecosphere to the extent the cyanobacteria did.

Now, all that being said, I do believe we should be paying more attention to our influence on the ecosphere. The reason for that is because we have the ability to do so, whereas the cyanobacteria did not. I believe it is a mistake to insulate ourselves from "nature" to the extent that we do, because to do so increases our dependence on our own artifices and lessens our chances of survival should our fragile society collapse. And make no mistake, our society is fragile. One small cluster of aircraft disasters put the US basically out of commission for at least a week back in 2001, and those were created by a handful of other human beings. Nature's power is still greater than anything Man can do, and we should be paying attention more than we are.

All life-forms have an influence on their ecosphere, and that influence is invariably to the detriment of other life-forms. I think it is a mistake to account to humanity a greater evil than is due.

> No, I really don't. I'm not saying we shouldn't treat animals humanely,
> but I don't think we should think of them all as equally important
> to our own species. I think it's incredibly reductionist to argue
> that all species should be equally important. Would you tell a parent
> that they should protect someone else's child over their own child?
>

I think the reason we have such bad animal cruelty in this world is precisely because some humans think they are more important. If all humans thought of ourselves as equal, imagine the good it would do for this world?

I actually blame religion partly/mostly for animal cruelty. If you look at most religions, it claims that animals are only here to benefit human beings. If you have that ideology, then no wonder animals are treated in the way they are.

> This is not necessarily so. Human beings are not the first living
> things on Earth to destroy other species. A couple of billion years
> ago, the only living things on earth were a peculiar family of microbes,
> and they held sway for a very long time. Then, around a billion years
> ago or so, a new species of microbe came into being in the oceans.
> They had a different metabolism than all the other microbes then
> living and began filling the Earth's atmosphere with a deadly poisonous,
> highly corrosive gas, creating pollution on a massive scale. A few
> million years after this process began, more than 90% of the original
> microbes inhabiting the Earth were extinct. Those microbes that died
> out were anaerobes, and the gaseous pollution which killed them was
> oxygen.
>
> Now, humans are the dominant species on Earth. Perhaps not in biomass,
> but in influence. We are likewise filling the Earth's atmosphere
> with gaseous pollution. I am not saying this is good. But consider
> for a moment that humans, much as we seem to like to think otherwise,
> are a part of nature. I personally have never bought into the unbridgeable
> dichotomy between "natural" and "man-made". I fail to see why a beaver
> dam is "natural", but the Hoover dam is not. Why a beehive is "natural"
> but a skyscraper is not.
>
> Human beings have yet to alter the Earth's ecosphere to the extent
> the cyanobacteria did.
>
> Now, all that being said, I do believe we should be paying more attention
> to our influence on the ecosphere. The reason for that is because
> we have the ability to do so, whereas the cyanobacteria did not.
> I believe it is a mistake to insulate ourselves from "nature" to the
> extent that we do, because to do so increases our dependence on our
> own artifices and lessens our chances of survival should our fragile
> society collapse. And make no mistake, our society is fragile.
> One small cluster of aircraft disasters put the US basically out
> of commission for at least a week back in 2001, and those were created
> by a handful of other human beings. Nature's power is still greater
> than anything Man can do, and we should be paying attention more than
> we are.
>
> All life-forms have an influence on their ecosphere, and that influence
> is invariably to the detriment of other life-forms. I think it is
> a mistake to account to humanity a greater evil than is due.

Well said. I think the one point that strikes me the most is when you say we should pay more attention to our influence precisely because we can. That is the key point for me also. If humans think we are so important, and most do, then show some responsibility. If you are so important, use your status to help this planet.

By the way, do you think global warming is really as serious as they claim, or is it being blown out of proportion, or even faked?

> By the way, do you think global warming is really as serious as they
> claim, or is it being blown out of proportion, or even faked?

I'm not too sure what to think about global warming right now. I understand the concerns and I am aware of the evidence, but at the same time, I am now living in area that seems to contradict the thesis. Back in the 1970s, the area in which I am living right now was noticeably hotter in the summer than has been the case for the last decade and a half now. At the same time, the winters have also been noticeably milder, not as much snow, milder cold temperatures, etc. Add to that the fact that most of the area here is barely above sea level, and I have to wonder if sea levels have risen the eight or so inches I have heard about. It seems to me, if that were the case, we would have lost a good deal more of our beaches than we have. So for the time being, I am not really panicking, but I am not dismissing the issue entirely either. I think it is a good thing that there is some effort being made to address the issue right now.

To me, yes.

Many people who are cruel to animals are also cruel to other people. It's not about people versus animals but about some people thinking they are more important than anything or anyone, including other humans. That's a different issue entirely. The opposite of animal cruelty is not being a vegan. It's treating animals humanely.

I've noticed that you've jumped on the Dawkins bandwagon. Religion is an easy scapegoat. But religion isn't a force or thing separate from humans; it's a creation of humans, and it seems to be a pretty basic response to primal needs and questions, which means that it's unlikely to go away. Better to ask it to evolve than to disappear. I don't know about "most religions," but I do know that the Bible, where it says anything at all about animals, says that you should treat them humanely.

I took this to mean 'Is a human life more important than an animal's life?' - to me, yes.

> Many people who are cruel to animals are also cruel to other people.
> It's not about people versus animals but about some people thinking
> they are more important than anything or anyone, including other humans.
> That's a different issue entirely. The opposite of animal cruelty
> is not being a vegan. It's treating animals humanely.
>
> I've noticed that you've jumped on the Dawkins bandwagon. Religion
> is an easy scapegoat. But religion isn't a force or thing separate
> from humans; it's a creation of humans, and it seems to be a pretty
> basic response to primal needs and questions, which means that it's
> unlikely to go away. Better to ask it to evolve than to disappear.
> I don't know about "most religions," but I do know that the Bible,
> where it says anything at all about animals, says that you should
> treat them humanely.

I agree with most that you say

You're right, I have been reading Dawkins' books and watching his lectures online. The guy knows what he is talking about.

Do you like him? Do you believe his views?

Well. It depends. Say, if I were to save them from a burning building.. there are some people in my life that I would save a sea monkey's life instead of theirs. And what about animals versus each other? I think a dog is more important than a ladybug.

I honestly haven't read enough of Dawkins' work to have much of an opinion on him. I think I agree with him on certain points, but ultimately I think he's causing more problems than he solves. He's a little too divisive to attract many people to his cause.

I was about to say no until I read the explanation.

Are human beings 'in the grand scheme of things' more important than all other animals? No, of course not.
/
However, the key word is 'decision'. Are human beings more important than other animals in terms of the decisions we make? Of course we are.

Well some humans are.. But the majority are not, in fact most are somewhere around the importance of pond scum.

Please...!!! If the earth and wildlife die WE die. If we died off the world would still go on. I love people AND when is enough enough!!!

> Both are important, but man is to have dominion over the animals.
> That does not mean to abuse them. Animals have a purpose, being
> loving pets, and helpers to humans.

I want to honor your religious beliefs but a lot of other religions or thinking doesn't believe Man does have dominion over animals or nature. Belief doesn't make it truth and yet that one phrase "Man has dominion over animals" is probably why there is so much abuse to non-humans.

> |> Every creature was born for a reason, but as written, all were
> born
> |> to make human life easier..
>
> Let's pick an animal then: the mosquito: What is the reason for these
> creatures?

I agree with Wicksey. Again, abuse is happening to the non-humans because the belief we have dominion over them. Or they serve Man. Sounds like it is MAN that made that up!

With every good, unfortunately there are those that try to manipulate, making evil. Dominion in this sense, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN ABUSE ANIMALS. Animals are our pets, our friends, but humans shall have dominion over them.

I've never abused an animal, never will. I think it is disgusting, and cowardice.

Man was created in the image of God.

If u still don't know its reason yet it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..

A mosquito is not an animal I guess.

> I was about to say no until I read the explanation.
>
> Are human beings 'in the grand scheme of things' more important than
> all other animals? No, of course not.
> /
> However, the key word is 'decision'. Are human beings more important
> than other animals in terms of the decisions we make? Of course we
> are.

That would be INFLUENTIAL

> |> Both are important, but man is to have dominion over the animals.
> |> That does not mean to abuse them. Animals have a purpose,
> being
> |> loving pets, and helpers to humans.
>
> I want to honor your religious beliefs but a lot of other religions
> or thinking doesn't believe Man does have dominion over animals or
> nature. Belief doesn't make it truth and yet that one phrase "Man
> has dominion over animals" is probably why there is so much abuse
> to non-humans.
>

Perfectly said

> If u still don't know its reason yet it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..
>
> A mosquito is not an animal I guess.

What do you mean, a mosquito is not an animal? Of course it is an animal.

Okay, what about a worm that cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. This happens all the time, especially to little children in Africa.

What is the purpose of this animal?

I am not a scientist. But if you look around, there's always a reason for everything, and God creates us and creates other creatures to be helpful for us, for sure.. Otherwise, we would call others "humans" and we become their "animals".

> I am not a scientist. But if you look around, there's always a reason
> for everything, and God creates us and creates other creatures to
> be helpful for us, for sure.. Otherwise, we would call others "humans"
> and we become their "animals".

Do you not believe in evolution then, and how we came about through the evolution of animals, in particular, chimpanzees and bonobos, who are our nearest ancestors!?

I do believe in evolution, but I still dont believe in this "nearest ancestors" thing, not because I refuse it, but because I believe that only humans have mind, other animals dont have mind, they follow their needs to eat, to have sex, to defend on themselves.. etc..

> I do believe in evolution, but I still dont believe in this "nearest
> ancestors" thing, not because I refuse it, but because I believe that
> only humans have mind, other animals dont have mind, they follow their
> needs to eat, to have sex, to defend on themselves.. etc..

What? Animals don't have minds? Did you see this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8181233.stm

What is this bird using then if not its mind?

How many human beings do you know that don't follow their need to eat? Are you aware of starvation in Africa?
Or to produce off-spring? Have you seen how overcrowded this world is?
Or to defend themselves from attack? Are you aware of the wars that are constantly a part of this world?

Let's see how much you would use your mind if you were stuck in the middle of a war zone, not haven eaten in 10 days. I would predict you would act like any animal would...

Did u ever asked the help of a bird for any of your problems that you face with your wife or boss at work?

Even when acting like any animal in such circumstances, I will still have my mind to differ between right and wrong, even when I am doing wrong..

other... animals are animals, and it's thier nature to be animals, and not think of the consequences for what they do. Humans, or most humans. have a choice. ok blah blah blah. Animals are more important to me.

I don't understand your explanation, but humans definitely matter more to me than all other animals do. However, I've studied enough biology to know that our fates are intertwined so it's hard to imagine being able to truly value humanity whilst ignoring the plight of other animals.

You should make that into a survey (if you didn't already) - I'd be interested in the results!

> Do you not believe in evolution then, and how we came about through
> the evolution of animals, in particular, chimpanzees and bonobos,
> who are our nearest ancestors!?

They aren't our ancestors, they're just relatives - our common ancestors are long gone!

> |> Do you not believe in evolution then, and how we came about
> through
> |> the evolution of animals, in particular, chimpanzees and bonobos,
> |> who are our nearest ancestors!?
>
> They aren't our ancestors, they're just relatives - our common ancestors
> are long gone!
>

Yes sorry, I just said it incorrectly.

I know that a lot of people think we evolved from chimpanzees, but we didn't. We evolved from a common ancestor to both.

> I know that a lot of people think we evolved from chimpanzees, but
> we didn't. We evolved from a common ancestor to both.

Oh, Lucy....!

> |> I know that a lot of people think we evolved from chimpanzees,
> but
> |> we didn't. We evolved from a common ancestor to both.
>
> Oh, Lucy....!

What?

Now that I read my last comment, I noticed another typo.

It should read:

I know that a lot of people think we evolved from chimpanzees, but we didn't. We evolved from a common ancestor. B and C evolved on different branches from A.

> |> |> I know that a lot of people think we evolved from chimpanzees,
> |> but
> |> |> we didn't. We evolved from a common ancestor to both.
> |>
> |> Oh, Lucy....!
>
> What?
>


Lucy is the two point million something year old fossil skeleton found in Africa that many paleontologists think may be the long sought after missing link between man and ape.

> Lucy is the two point million something year old fossil skeleton found
> in Africa that many paleontologists think may be the long sought after
> missing link between man and ape.

Yep, that's right

I still believe differently (and so do animals, I'm sure) but to each his own. Remember, one time Men thought they had dominion over women, even though THEY thought they were being kind.

I thought you would like that. :o)

>but humans shall have dominion over them.

If humans have dominion over them, why are there so many cases of humans dying from animal attacks.

Crocodiles, snakes, spiders etc. So many have dies from this animals, surely if we have dominion, God would intervene and stop this atrosity.

And yet, this never happens...

Man is to be the headship of the home, but DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN ABUSE HER. A man and a woman have their places in the family, and each should respect the others role. There is no competition. Biblical description of love is "one should put their loved one's feelings before there own"

Humans do have dominion over animals...but SHOULD NOT ABUSE THEM. But, people should always come before animals.

> But, people should always come before animals.

Is this from God? If so, why didn't he create animals that thought like this also? Would have saved a lot of arguments, wouldn't you say?

Animals killing humans have nothing to do with dominion. Humans kill humans too. Humans do have dominion. Humans were given gifts that animals do not have. This is all by God's design, I don't question God.

Animals have a purpose here on earth. They're pets, companions, workers, scavengers. God has designed us the way he wants.

> Animals killing humans have nothing to do with dominion. Humans kill
> humans too. Humans do have dominion. Humans were given gifts that
> animals do not have. This is all by God's design, I don't question
> God.

And animals have the sixth sense that humans don't have. Dogs have four times better smell than even the best man made machine invention.

So animals have given gifts that humans don't have...right?

> Animals have a purpose here on earth. They're pets, companions, workers,
> scavengers. God has designed us the way he wants.

So answer this question that verouge failed to:

What is the purpose of a worm burrowing through a African child's eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs?

> I don't question God.

What a waste of our minds then. God, apparently, gave us these massively intelligent brains, yet we aren't to question things that occur.

Nice one!

No, cows come first, then humans, then all the rest. God said so.

Humans have the senses as animals, but perhaps not as keen. But, the fact remains, man has dominion over animals, as God says. I think we both know what gifts I'm talking about.

Evidently, a parasite gained entry into the child. I haven't a clue. We're not talking about insects...when talking about animals, and pets.

Why question what God does? Do you believe in being disobedient to your parent? This is what happened in the world age before this one...the children were disobedient, fallen

In these times - . 2Timothy 3: 1 - 4

> Evidently, a parasite gained entry into the child. I haven't a clue.
> We're not talking about insects...when talking about animals, and
> pets.

I am talking about insects because they are also part of the animal kingdom, which includes the human!

I would guess that you can't answer this question because your views on life are not compatible with this question. Try answering the question without saying: I don't know; only god knows the answers or god moves in mysterious ways!

> Why question what God does? Do you believe in being disobedient to
> your parent? This is what happened in the world age before this one...the
> children were disobedient, fallen
>

Being disobedient is different to questioning. I am not disobedient to my mum because I choose not to. However, I would question her.

Imagine me asking the fictional God why he has allowed all the starvation in the world (and God is allowing it because he is all powerful). Am I unreasonable to ask this question? Wouldn't a benevolent God think that this was worthy of being asked, after all, he would want his creation to be compassionate about others!!

There are scavengers on the earth, to help cleanse it. I don't really know the whys on many things, I admit it. I take it you care more about the animal kingdom than humans? God created his creatures for a purpose, who am I to question God?

> There are scavengers on the earth, to help cleanse it. I

Worms that burrows through eyes of little children are cleansing what?

> I take it you care more about the animal kingdom than humans?

No but animals in my country are not looked after as well as humans are, so I am doing my bit to raise their welfare profile as much as I can do.

> God created his creatures for a purpose, who am I to question God?

So you keep saying...

Do you love your mother? Do you feel your mother loves you? Do you feel your mother has your best interests at heart? Do you expect your parents to discipline you, when you're disobedient? God loves his children, and he will discipline them too.

I don't understand about all the world. But, I think disobedience has something to do with the ills of the earth, and the infiltration of wicked people into the world. Many people bring on their own troubles by sin, carries through generations. As far as starvation is concerned, it is written God said the lands of the disobedient will be barren...they'll become as nomads. There are some peoples that don't know how to make their land work for them. Example, South Africa, the white farmer went into the country, started teaching the locals how to feed themselves...the people liked that...they could become self sufficient. But, the communist government took over, now the locals are dependent again, possibly starving, from the communist government takeover. God blessed Christian peoples with the birthright...There will be those peoples that will want to steal the birthright. I am not to question God for what he does. Unfortunately, there are those Godly people that will be murdered by the ungodly.

It's good to wonder why worms would do such a thing to a child. I would want to explore, so as to prevent this from happening.

What country do you live Wicksy? People should not be mean to animals. My daughter, while in the National Guard went to Korea, and she said she never saw a dog or cat, evidently the people eat them, this is what she was told.. Also, there was a drink that was made from insects. My daughter said she couldn't believe the life there....it was quite an experience.

> Man is to be the headship of the home, but DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN ABUSE
> HER. A man and a woman have their places in the family, and each
> should respect the others role. There is no competition. Biblical
> description of love is "one should put their loved one's feelings
> before there own"
>
> Humans do have dominion over animals...but SHOULD NOT ABUSE THEM.
> But, people should always come before animals.

Sigh... .but that is Christian Biblical beliefs, which is only part of the world's beliefs. No matter how much you want to believe that dominion over animals is the truth and the best way it doesn't make it so. Just a belief of your religion. I have to say that my experience of Christians is that they will try like heck to convince everyone their way is "the way" and it only starts fights. Religion against religion only comes to war, strife so best to let everyone live in peace with their own "road to travel" without impeding upon them, INCLUDING animals and their ways of life. Man has no right having dominion over ANYthing until he grows up and quites acting like a spoiled childed demanding "MINE!!"

> |> There are scavengers on the earth, to help cleanse it. I
>
> Worms that burrows through eyes of little children are cleansing what?
>
> |> I take it you care more about the animal kingdom than humans?
>
>
> No but animals in my country are not looked after as well as humans
> are, so I am doing my bit to raise their welfare profile as much as
> I can do.
>
> |> God created his creatures for a purpose, who am I to question
> God?
>
> So you keep saying...

Wicksy, looks like we are on the same page. Look at bottom for my response to same argument.
>
>
>

> |> |> There are scavengers on the earth, to help cleanse it.
> I
> |>
> |> Worms that burrows through eyes of little children are cleansing
> what?
> |>
> |> |> I take it you care more about the animal kingdom than
> humans?
> |>
> |>
> |> No but animals in my country are not looked after as well as
> humans
> |> are, so I am doing my bit to raise their welfare profile as
> much as
> |> I can do.
> |>
> |> |> God created his creatures for a purpose, who am I to question
> |> God?
> |>
> |> So you keep saying...
>
> Wicksy, looks like we are on the same page. Look at bottom for my
> response to same argument.
> |>
> |>
> |> Oops. And please exuse all the typos! :o)
>
>

> It's good to wonder why worms would do such a thing to a child. I
> would want to explore, so as to prevent this from happening.
>
> What country do you live Wicksy? People should not be mean to animals.
> My daughter, while in the National Guard went to Korea, and she said
> she never saw a dog or cat, evidently the people eat them, this is
> what she was told.. Also, there was a drink that was made from insects.
> My daughter said she couldn't believe the life there....it was quite
> an experience.

I live in the UK, which is one of the best in the world for animal welfare (one of the best standards in the animal farms). However, it is still WAY below the standard I would expect from the compassionate human race.

However, your daughter mentioned that she was appalled at how they eat dogs and cats! Is she appalled that other countries eat chicken? Cows? Pigs? There is no difference whatsoever; they are all animals.

> Religion against religion only comes to war, strife so best to let everyone live in
> peace with their own "road to travel" without impeding upon them,
> INCLUDING animals and their ways of life.

Well said. I will remember this one for future arguments

> |> |> Oops. And please exuse all the typos! :o)
> |>

Did you do this correctly? This was all you added

> Also, there was a drink that was made from insects.


Ever read the ingredients on a bottle of Ocean Spray Ruby Red Grapefruit Juice? There is a pigment listed there as "carmine". This pigment is made from the inner wings of a beetle that lives in India.

> |> |> |> Oops. And please exuse all the typos! :o)
> |> |>
>
> Did you do this correctly? This was all you added

Yeah, so sorry. :o) And there is even a typo in THIS last comment. It was in response to my response to the Man has Dominion over Animals lady that had so many typos. I need to proof read more throughly.

This is why God separated, by families, borders....less problems, more harmony. Obviously, there are those that will not want to follow God's laws...it is seen quite heavily today. 2Timothy 3: 1-4. Christianity is the faith, that sustains. The government educational system has done a real number on the youth. There has to be order. God is a God of order, not confusion.

Dietary laws say we can eat cows, chickens...no pigs. With your thinking, what about plants?

I have heard of some drinks with bizarre ingredients....Guava juice, has little red bugs for the color. Needless to say, I no longer drink the juice. I know in God's dietary laws, there are insects we can eat...but I don't know exactly which ones.....yuck

> Dietary laws say we can eat cows, chickens...no pigs. With your
> thinking, what about plants?

What dietary laws? I know of no such thing?

> I have heard of some drinks with bizarre ingredients....Guava juice,
> has little red bugs for the color. Needless to say, I no longer drink
> the juice. I know in God's dietary laws, there are insects we can
> eat...but I don't know exactly which ones.....yuck

The kosher insects are locusts, crickets and grasshoppers.

Are you Jewish now, or just hedging your bets?

Leviticus 11

Yes

> Leviticus 11

Please could you quote this for me. I would look it up online but I don't dare in case God punsishes me for being a hypocrite, and my bible from school has already been used up as fish and chip paper.

Most American Christians are of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. There is a House of Israel, and a House of Judah. I am not aware of being of the bloodline of Judah, but believe I am of the House of Israel.

Leviticus 11 is lengthy, and if I thought you'd listen, I would take the time....but I don't think you'll listen. I'm sorry for you Wicksy, I'm not saying this as an insult, but I'm really sad for you.

> Leviticus 11 is lengthy, and if I thought you'd listen, I would take
> the time....but I don't think you'll listen. I'm sorry for you Wicksy,
> I'm not saying this as an insult, but I'm really sad for you.

Don't be, I am very very happy!

Thanks for your concern though (and I do mean that)

Why follow OT dietary laws?

I'm glad you're happy Wicksy....I hope the best for you...

Because they are sound. I had a pastor once say why pig is not good for us...made sense. Also, about fish...makes sense...
The laws are for our well being...since God created us, he knows what is best...

I find this interesting (really - I'm not mocking ) Do you just follow the dietary laws from the OT, or other laws that aren't usually associated with Christianity too? There seem to be a lot of odd laws in Leviticus that aren't very compatible with modern life!

I avoid pork. I eat only in a broccoli salad I make...and rarely on a hamburger. I do try to eat appropriately. I try to be the person God instructs us to be. I am a sinner, has asked God's forgiveness.

> I avoid pork. I eat only in a broccoli salad I make...and rarely
> on a hamburger. I do try to eat appropriately. I try to be the person
> God instructs us to be. I am a sinner, has asked God's forgiveness.
>

You're a sinner? Oh no, who did you kill?

Not that serious....

No. Humans need to accept they are animals too. Just another animal on this planet.