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What should society do with its mentally ill?

There's a long history of human society struggling with the problem of our mentally ill. State-run mental institutions were the norm 50 or so years ago. But, problems of over-crowding and poor treatment of patients lead to deinstitutionalisation and the shutting down of most of these mental institutions. This didn't solve the problem but shifted it. In many cases mentally ill become homeless. Also, the prison system has been forced to carry the burden as a kind of last resort. There are over a million mentally ill people in the US prison system these days.

For these mentally ill inmates, a cycle occurs in which serious mental illness (paranoia, schizophrenia, anti-social, etc.) triggers criminal behavior then puts them in prison where they get treated and medicated and their mental condition improves until they are released and go off their medication then backslide into mental illness and crime and the pattern repeats over and over.



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11We should significantly increase government spending and provide the best possible treatment for them.
10Other.
6We should bring back state-run mental institutions.
4I don't know.
2We should euthanize the hopeless cases.
2We should expand and adapt the prison system to keep them longterm.
2We should do nothing.

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dab Survey Central Subscriber Gold Qualifier
posted 19-May-2009 4:23pm  
We should have private hospitals and let private charities help with those who can't afford them.
cerealkiller Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 19-May-2009 5:48pm  
Not sure but none of the choices listed.
LJD
posted 19-May-2009 6:01pm  
STOP DRUGS! Legal and illegal. Eat well, sleep well, exercise, love well, keep the faith.
Galomorro Bronze Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 19-May-2009 6:26pm  
Increase government spending, provide best possible treatment, and special places that are more gardenlike with tiny individual cabins and a lawn area. Supervise gameplaying outdoors, gardening, and crafts they can do to make themselves useful - maybe even to sell the crafts. Emphasize nature-not ugly beige-walled institutions. In a perfect world.... Good survey.
Crayons Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier This user is on the site NOW (6 minutes ago)
posted 19-May-2009 6:41pm  
If they've killed people, and they really can't be helped- I think I'd be okay with euthanasia. How will we ever be sure that they're not going to kill anyone else? Unless we find them something to do. That would be my last choice. But public safety would have to come first.
Matty
posted 19-May-2009 9:05pm  
What's the substantive difference between choices 1 and 5? Treat them.
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 20-May-2009 12:17am  
shrug Send them to concentration camps??
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 20-May-2009 5:24am  
This was inspired by a PBS Frontline program I saw recently:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/released/
jettles Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Qualifier
posted 20-May-2009 8:52am  
the option of best possible treatment is quite bias with the prefix of the sign. increased government spending....... i'm surprised this wasn't picked up or corrected. in actuality state run institutions, euthanasia, or adapting/expanding the prison system would all also significantly increase government(whether state or federal) spending!!!! funny how we only bias the choices we don't agree with??
Jody
posted 20-May-2009 1:54pm  
At least we should provide them with the minimal necessities to have a decent life. So many criminals and homeless people are mentally ill - how different could things be if we cared for these people properly rather than leaving them to eke out a living on the ravages of society's edge?
JessicaWoman99
posted 20-May-2009 4:00pm  
I am one of those with mental health problems and just need all the help they can give me
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 20-May-2009 5:48pm  
If someone has a neurochemical issue, the only way to correct it is through neurochemistry.
Iseult Survey Central Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 20-May-2009 5:49pm  
We should focus on reasons as to why these people end up the way they are. I prefer when the issue is shifted from the effect to the cause.
LJD
(reply to LindaH) posted 21-May-2009 2:25am  
What causes a neurochemical issue? I assume many things can cause one....unhappiness, depression, lack of love, or being able to love, constant stress, poor eating habits, and DRUGS. Emotions can cause a neurochemical issue.
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2009 7:45am  
And that's supposed to cure menyal illness? Are you serious?
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2009 7:48am  
while possible, not likely. In most cases, these illnesses are caused by chemical deficiencies in the body...Diabetes, MS, and many more fun maladies. I seldom agree with Linda, but she's spot on here. And I haven't seen any studies about unhappiness and Diabetes.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 21-May-2009 8:09am  
I think to be a member of SC you have to be a little off your rocker.... so I say beer for all the mentally ill!
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2009 11:22am  
Some people are born that way. It is in their DNA, just like with a lot of other disorders and medical issues. Some people's brain chemistry problems run in the family.
LJD
(reply to Matty) posted 21-May-2009 11:38am  
The old saying, we are what we eat, I feel is true. You can't separate the mind/body/soul. The body wants to survive. God gave us the herbs of the field as medicine.. What good foods we eat are as medicine. Fasting on occasion, eating appropriately, activity is vital to the person. Good sunlight. Happiness, positive attitude.

I recently had a stroke, and I can see what emotions, lack of activity, and the mind can do to a body. I wish I could go back and change things, because I do have the knowledge, didn't practice it. I know the reasons why I am where I am today.

Mental disease is genetics, poor food, drugs, unhappiness, stress, lack of sleep....the health of the mother during gestation....many reasons.

I think all can be taken care of naturally.
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2009 11:48am  
Really? When you had your stroke, did you tell your doctors that you only wanted wellness treatment, or did you allow medical science to use at least some form of pharmacology?
LJD
(reply to Matty) posted 21-May-2009 11:50am  
Matty, I'm a diabetic, and I've been under stress for many years. I've always put on a happy face for the sake of my family.

In 1997, I had a breakdown, was in the hospital for 7 days. They stuffed me with all sorts of drugs, and I walked around like zombie. I came home and took anti-depressants for about a month, didn't like how I felt. I stopped cold turkey. Never took them again. From what I understand depression starts in the function of the liver. I, from what I've been told, have a liver that is dysfunctional. The liver performs 500 tasks in the body. The emotion of the liver is anger, stress, it stores there. The breakdown of the liver is directly responsible for diabetes. The liver is involved in the digestive system, and if you eat poor food you're not nourishing the body. I could go on and on about how our nutritional intake, emotions affect everything.

My study of the Chinese Five Element Theory is on the mark. The Chinese learned it from the East Indian Medical Theory, excellent..
Matty
(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2009 11:52am  
But i bet you take medicine or even isulin
LJD
(reply to LindaH) posted 21-May-2009 12:12pm  
What is the DNA? What does a family have in common? Blood. Check the blood types. In my family, my sister is blood type A, my brother, I have no idea, I am a type O. My mother, sister, and one daughter are type A's, they've all fallen to the same problems, health wise. My father was evidently type O. My other children are type O. My two sons, are by my second husband, they're type O because my husband and I are O's. Through allergy tests when young showed they were allergic to certain foods, the same foods the book "Eat Right for (4) Your Type" said they shouldn't eat. My other daughter is an O like me. My ex-husband is an A.

My step-son's son is mentally ill, been in and out of mental institutions, and was put on so many DRUGS. He has been diagnosed with autism, OCD, schizophrenia over the years. I really feel for the boy. I do know the mother had taken drugs when young, and I understand is somewhat confused. When they visited us, I noticed the boy (19 years old) loved Red Bull drinks, begs for them. He also loves sour things, ate a whole big jar of Claussons sour pickles. His mother said he loves sour things... a sign of a bad liver. He loves junk food. My husband went to their house up north, and he said while there, all the kids eat entirely too much junk food. The boys brother has a problem too, but not as pronounced, has speech impairment. The younger sister so far, shows no big problem. It hurts me to see the oldest boy go through what he has.

We inherit the DNA, blood, emotions from our family. Certain blood types, suffer more from some things than others.
LJD
(reply to Matty) posted 21-May-2009 12:20pm  
I am a zombie on the medications I am taking. They say I'm a candidate for another stroke, heart attack, my family INSISTS I take the filthy medicine. After six months, I'm off of them no matter what. You see the problem Matty is I didn't care about myself, didn't watch my diabetes. When in the hospital I watched some educational films, and I could see I had the signs. I thought some of the signs I was suffering were from a spondo I have...I was wrong.

All I can say is be on the alert when you notice any change in your body. Personally, I think the drugs will kill me eventually, if I continue. The side effects are horrible. After six months, I'm off of them...no matter what. I'm taking some brain, body circulation formulas now, and liver and kidney formula. I recognize the chances I'm taking...

PLEASE take care of yourself, watch for body changes....
Biggles Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 22-May-2009 10:47pm  
Care in the community seems to be appropriate/best for most - as long as there is adequate monitoring for anyone who poses a risk to themselves or others (sadly, the current system in the UK seems to be failing at this). Obviously some individuals need more specialised care than can be offered in the community or are considered too dangerous to live in normal society. Mental hospitals/secure units ought to be seen as positive ways of treating people like that, but that is only possible with adequate funding and a culture that embraces treatment and rehabilitation rather than restraint/punishment/dismissal. It's called mental illness for a reason - we're talking about intensely vulnerable individuals, even if they have committed horrific acts. Labelling them as offenders or criminals is not necessarily going to benefit anyone.

Mental health is not easy - you have to respect the people who find their vocation there. Personally, I'll be interested to spend some time attached to psychiatric services/mental health, but I don't think that I would ever choose to make it my career.
Biggles Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 22-May-2009 10:56pm  
From the information about the rest of your family that you posted here, your father's blood type could have been A, B or O. The only blood type that is (probably, but not definitely - genetics can play some funny tricks) ruled out is AB.

I'm not going to get started on the rest of your interpretation of medical science, as I think we could be here for a long time  * wink *
Wicksy
(reply to LJD) posted 23-May-2009 6:22am  
> STOP DRUGS! Legal and illegal. Eat well, sleep well, exercise, love
> well, keep the faith.


What about coffee?
LJD
(reply to Biggles) posted 23-May-2009 12:31pm  
I know I'm not a scholar, but have studied some on the Chinese Five Element Theory. Western medicine is different, yet I feel they know of Auyervedic and Chinese medicine theory, but chose to find their own. Western medicine has some good things, but when it comes to disease they're in the dark, I feel on purpose...for profit.
LJD
(reply to Wicksy) posted 23-May-2009 12:34pm  
I'm not a coffee drinker, never have been. I know it can lead to adrenal exhaustion. There is a host of things, humans need to do to help themselves, we just need to find them.
Gomezy3k
posted 24-May-2009 10:26am  
We should increase government spending and provide the best possible treatment in Federal and state run mental institutions.
Gomezy3k
(reply to LJD) posted 24-May-2009 10:30am  
> STOP DRUGS! Legal and illegal. Eat well, sleep well, exercise, love
> well, keep the faith.

Yeah if only they would just think happy thoughts they would cure themselves... ROFLMAO. Hate to break it to you but eating well, sleeping well, exercise, and love doesn't do squat for those who are mentally ill. As for drugs, people turn to drugs because life sucks and being stoned at least helps you face life better. Mental illness is a disease caused by the body screwing up, people are not mentally ill because they choose to be.
risingroad Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 24-May-2009 2:54pm  
We should join them. How do WE know they are the insane we are the "normals". "It's so good to be insane.... no one asks you to explain." I am serious, though. They thought Einstein was retarded (yes, I used "that" word) but he was really a very shy young Jewish boy in an all Catholic school.
LJD
(reply to Gomezy3k) posted 24-May-2009 5:25pm  
I had a neighbor that was depressed, she went to her doctor, and through their discussion, the doctor told her, the reason most people turn to illegal drugs is to "self medicate" themselves out of not feeling well. We are what we eat, feel, think.
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 24-May-2009 9:25pm  
The reason people self medicate is because it is easier to obtain illegal drugs than to go through doctors, insurance, being diagnosed, etc. Not only that, but a lot of times when people start experimenting and self medicating, it just plain doesn't occur to them to go see a real doctor.
LJD
(reply to LindaH) posted 25-May-2009 3:22am  
I know nothing of illegal drugs...but aren't they expensive? Many people just want to experiment too I suspect. In any case, I feel bad for them.
they Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 25-May-2009 10:11am  
We should stop using so many chemicals and hormones and antibiotics in our food production. We should get more exercise and lose weight instead of taking all these drugs for heartburn, diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol.
We should not take medicines for nausea, pain, and labor induction during pregnancy so flippantly.
We should limit imports from countries that use dangerous ingredients in manufacturing.
We should not take so many medicines for depression and anxiety.
We should all smoke more pot.

I think we're crazier because of our environment.


LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 25-May-2009 11:29am  
Prescription drugs can be just as expensive sometimes, and harder to obtain. True, many people just want to experiment.
LJD
(reply to LindaH) posted 25-May-2009 12:12pm  
Indeed prescription drugs are extremely expensive, at least 1000% profit. It's a sin.

I would have just as much needed a "fix" to get away from the turmoil of life, but why haven't I chosen to take these illegal drugs. What the young don't understand is, they are falling into the hands of the enemy and becoming docile, easier to manipulate..
ohheymegannnnnnn
posted 27-May-2009 8:49am  
Let them live their life. They're people too. You cold hearted bastards.
cloudhugger
posted 27-May-2009 10:01am  
Put them working in the fast food restaurants. The really crappy ones that are bad for you type of fast food places. Obviously those people don't care what they put into their bodies, so let them work there. Of course, that is cruel, have you ever smelled someone that came straight from working at one? Rancid grease with secret sauce stains. Pretty nasty.
zecevicleila Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to ohheymegannnnnnn) posted 28-May-2009 11:21am  
LOL. i love you megan  * love * =] hahah i hope your still on this shti
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 28-May-2009 1:48pm  
If they are considered a danger to themselves or others, they should be evaluated, kept under observation, treated if they need it.

If they are not a threat to anyone, but are unable to care for themselves or hold down a job, they should be given some sort of living arrangements or assistance.

If they are able to take care of themselves and are only 'crazy' by society's standards of deviance, leave them alone. They aren't a threat.
jeff71913
posted 19-Jun-2009 9:15pm  
Give them a job in government.
scully
posted 21-Jul-2009 12:24pm  
As much as possible needs to be done to support family care of their members even if handicapped. This is a human responsiblity. The next level of support might be a small group support structure where one or a few more if appropriate are cared for in a home environment- with support. The last level is a hospital/nursing home environment. It is not as simple as "bring back state-run mental institutions. Look up "Titicutt Follies" and you will see why. The state can not be trusted to do so.
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