Can a person have Faith in their lives and be a Spiritual person?

It seems like you would fit in with Unitarian Universalists.

Give it up. You're going to hell when you die anyways.

I don't think this is the question you meant to ask but yes, a person can have faith in their lives as well as being a spiritual person. In fact, I think it's quite common for spiritual people to have faith in their lives.

Yes.

Say what?

I think the answer to your question is, um, yes? I think?

Where three people gather to speak, learn the Word, it is a church.

I think you are trying to detach yourself from religion.

Good first step.

This passed?

Sure they can. Why couldn't they?

What are you actually trying to ask?

I say yes you can be Spiritual and still know God and not judge others and not criticize them as a religious person will do and even accepting others just as they are

> It seems like you would fit in with Unitarian Universalists.

Just what i am saying Linda and you can still believe in God but there is no judging and condemning others

> This passed?
>
> Sure they can. Why couldn't they?
>
> What are you actually trying to ask?

I just want to separate myself from Religious people but yet be able to attend their Churches as a Spiritual person?

Now that's a very different question than what you asked. I think if you attend churches, you're not going to be able to separate yourself from the religious people who attend and run those churches.

I see religiousness as habitual, mundane, routine with set rules. People who do certain things to obtain their spirituality. I think you can be spiritual without 'religion'. If you have faith, you are already spiritual, aren't you?

> Now that's a very different question than what you asked. I think
> if you attend churches, you're not going to be able to separate yourself
> from the religious people who attend and run those churches.

I just do not follow their way's in the Church which i believe are wrong 1. Judging others harshly 2. Not accepting people for who they are. 3. No love of Jesus in their Churches like where is the love. 4. Hatred pure and simple
Yes i want the Faith and to be Spiritual and accepting people as they are and who they are

> I see religiousness as habitual, mundane, routine with set rules.
> People who do certain things to obtain their spirituality. I think
> you can be spiritual without 'religion'. If you have faith, you are
> already spiritual, aren't you?

Yes

Ok, now I understand.

You can be a spiritual person anywhere. Of course you can also be a religious person anywhere.

Churches are full of both religion (dogmatic thoughts) and spirit (energy). I do show up at religious gatherings to charge the air with spirit, or to share in the spiritual energy and experiences others conjure, even though I don't believe in much of their religion.

In my own history I used to go to churches searching for spiritual value. I then had to find it on my own and then return to various churches with something to contribute (plus some curious investigation of their diversity) rather than showing up as a desperate seeker.

You, I think, are showing up as a desperate seeker, and yet you already know that what's on the minds of the people there for the most part is not of use to you.

The main thing a church has to offer (besides dogma) is a group spiritual high not unlike people cheering at football game.

You are better off finding a direct relationship with God through things you love, whethar that's gardening, swimming, or algebra. Just look to do those things in a state of higher sprititual awareness. God is where you are at, not in a church.

It's about how you do anything, not about what you do. It's about who you become, not what you witness others experiencing.

Churches are as different as people. Some are cerebral, harsh, loving, fearful, artful, physical, emotional, dry. Reckless gospel dancing is for people who find spirit through reckless dancing. If you find spirit through quiet contemplation, you are better off as a Quaker. Ultimately though you are better off finding spirit through exactly who you are.

If settings or ceremonies help turn your mind towards God, do them, but you can be more devout coming up with your own settings and ceremonies unless your goal is to be swept away by surrender to something you don't understand.

Ego surrender is a key part in a spiritual path, but you can also accidentally find yourself in some hells taking that approach. You need to eradicate your ego to see past it into the spiritual realm, but if you chastise your ego, your world will become a reflection of that misery. You have to love yourself while you let go of some of it.

> Ok, now I understand.
>
> You can be a spiritual person anywhere. Of course you can also be
> a religious person anywhere.
>
> Churches are full of both religion (dogmatic thoughts) and spirit
> (energy). I do show up at religious gatherings to charge the air with
> spirit, or to share in the spiritual energy and experiences others
> conjure, even though I don't believe in much of their religion.
>
> In my own history I used to go to churches searching for spiritual
> value. I then had to find it on my own and then return to various
> churches with something to contribute (plus some curious investigation
> of their diversity) rather than showing up as a desperate seeker.
>
> You, I think, are showing up as a desperate seeker, and yet you already
> know that what's on the minds of the people there for the most part
> is not of use to you.
>
> The main thing a church has to offer (besides dogma) is a group spiritual
> high not unlike people cheering at football game.
>
> You are better off finding a direct relationship with God through
> things you love, whethar that's gardening, swimming, or algebra. Just
> look to do those things in a state of higher sprititual awareness.
> God is where you are at, not in a church.
>
> It's about how you do anything, not about what you do. It's about
> who you become, not what you witness others experiencing.
>
> Churches are as different as people. Some are cerebral, harsh, loving,
> fearful, artful, physical, emotional, dry. Reckless gospel dancing
> is for people who find spirit through reckless dancing. If you find
> spirit through quiet contemplation, you are better off as a Quaker.
> Ultimately though you are better off finding spirit through exactly
> who you are.
>
> If settings or ceremonies help turn your mind towards God, do them,
> but you can be more devout coming up with your own settings and ceremonies
> unless your goal is to be swept away by surrender to something you
> don't understand.
>
> Ego surrender is a key part in a spiritual path, but you can also
> accidentally find yourself in some hells taking that approach. You
> need to eradicate your ego to see past it into the spiritual realm,
> but if you chastise your ego, your world will become a reflection
> of that misery. You have to love yourself while you let go of some
> of it.
>

Yes i want nothing to do with their religion dogma at all and wish that i were not so tired right now, it has been a busy morning for me and all morning long but yes I am just not into whatever it is they believe they are doing for God and i believe in a much different way with love for other people if that is possible with some people because they are stuck in their own way's and unwilling to change? Yet some people are like stuck in the 1930's and not going anywhere at all and they stubbornly refuse to come out and change for the better and the way these Churches are just stuck like glue holding on to all the hatred and bigotry and condemning others all because of who that person is and it is wrong in my own opinion. So now i come along as a Spiritual person accepting people just as they are yes just as others are and the way it should be in Churches, no we do not need a Church to believe in a higher power no we do not and we can be filled with love without a Church building.
Yes I love nature walks during the Spring and Summer look at all the birds and flowers coming out the grass is getting greener everyday of the week and smell the fresh air oh how i just love it Cristal Rose just so lovely outside and we connect with nature yes we do just like a Spiritual person without being religious about everything. But a Church you do meet other people and they are not like me or you and maybe a handful of them are Spiritual we do not know and love being with other people if that is possible in my new Journey with the higher power.

Sounds like you got the right idea.

Be a spiritual person and spiritual people you can learn from will come your way. There is much to learn, and if your awareness is high you can learn it through the words or energy of other people you meet. Just consider each person you meet a small lesson along th way, and some of them not good ones.

> Sounds like you got the right idea.
>
> Be a spiritual person and spiritual people you can learn from will
> come your way. There is much to learn, and if your awareness is high
> you can learn it through the words or energy of other people you meet.
> Just consider each person you meet a small lesson along th way, and
> some of them not good ones.

It is all brand new to me Kristal Rose this being Spiritual person? And now no more being a Religious person again and judging other people as it used to be with me, I can see things in a new way and it should be and it is about accepting people for who they are yes even the Baptists and Fundies they sit on one side of the room and gee i sit on the other side of the room and just laugh at them ha" ha" and give them funny faces hee hee there goes a Baptist or Evangelican to bad for them but just accept them for who they are Bible freaks?
Some are good and some are just bad apples and no there is no hell do not believe in hell no i do not, and we all get to choose our destination free choices for all of us and nobody needs to beat us up so bad and condemn us to their man-made hell that they chose for us? Do not believe in all this and i just believe you can be whatever you want to be.

I expect God even meets murderers half way without judgement, and the hells people experience are here, not in some afterlife (you still reap as you sow).

This brand new way for you is how more that half of Californians do it.

> I expect God even meets murderers half way without judgement, and
> the hells people experience are here, not in some afterlife (you still
> reap as you sow).
>
> This brand new way for you is how more that half of Californians do
> it.

It is like the New Age thing that has come along? Yes the Pastor at Church he has mentioned something like this and i am so jubilant to hear this at last and in a Church like WoW" this is so good and after 50 years of going to Church nearly all of my life and being Religious feels like a Whole new Chapter in my life and yes who am i to judge them and what right have they got to judge you or me.

Yep we all do reap what we sow and yes God probably does meet murderers half way and without judging them because gee we all slip up in our lives and none of us are perfect or any better than the person next to us, yes we all would love to be perfect and without fault and play the blame game on others which seems fun but it is not fun to hurt others? No we need to practice loving others even if they hate us enough to want us dead, it would still be wrong to do something that would harm physically because the law is the law and we know right from wrong.

That's a large component of the New Age thing. Sometimes New Age refers to beliefs like a mystical diversity of paganism, yoga, and buddhism and such which may be practiced in groups just like churches, and sometimes it refers to the style of searching on your own, even if it's something like Lutheranism you settle on.

The common denominator to all New Age thought though is that spiritualality is a private search adventure, not one size fits all.

Of course. You do not need organized religion to be spiritual. Organized religion can be a hindrance to real spirituality because many of the teachings of the founders of these religions have been perverted.