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| single | 17-Oct-2008 | law | Joanne | by votes | 47 | 6 | 56.8% |
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| User | Comment |
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| bill | posted 18-Oct-2008 8:12am it seems like some sort of competency test would work better since some people still perform well even when they are older (or younger) |
| Enheduanna | posted 18-Oct-2008 10:14am No. |
| Galomorro | posted 18-Oct-2008 11:37am No. Well, maybe only certain occupations. But usually no, especially not for common office jobs. Let them retire when THEY feel like it. |
| LindaH | posted 18-Oct-2008 12:27pm Absolutely not. If we take all the frail and infirm out of the workforce, who's going to keep all those lazy able-bodied people fed?*
*joke |
| Crayons | posted 18-Oct-2008 2:04pm No! Power to the elderly! |
| southernyankee | posted 18-Oct-2008 2:08pm No, never. |
| Joanne | posted 18-Oct-2008 7:15pm Not sure. I think most people want to retire, but a few stick in there for one reason or another - money, boredom, loneliness, denial. Critical jobs, like firefighting and air traffic controller, have criteria to meet and if you can't meet it, you have to go. So mandatory retirement exists already for some. With the economy the way it is, I expect we'll be seeing a lot more older folk on the job. And anyway, will the government need older people to work longer so they don't have to pay out their benefits while the economy is down? Maybe. I know lots of people who have put their retirement on hold because their money situation isn't as good as they expected it would be. It's good they can do that and not be forced into a poorer retirement. On the other hand, will that make it harder for young people to enter the workforce? Maybe. Retirement's all about money right now, not age. If we make it about age, maybe people will get smarter about money. I dunno. Just thinkng out loud about something that might become a big problem. |
| JohnCD | posted 18-Oct-2008 7:50pm No, people should be able to retire when they want, not when someone else thinks they should. |
| LJD | posted 18-Oct-2008 11:48pm NO |
| JessicaWoman99 | posted 19-Oct-2008 1:09am yes perhaps forced to retire it that is what it takes to get you to retire and at certain age |
| southernyankee | posted 19-Oct-2008 1:15am Just a quick question:
Is this private employers forcing their employees to retire early, or the government telling companies to retire their employees. Are these government jobs, or private sector jobs? Is this some sort of union thing? I suspect the same rationale for "forcing" the elderly to retire at some age is similar to getting rid of all the women employee's because they were taking men's jobs during economic downturns. This was in part by PR (companies didn't want people to boycott them because they didn't hire men who "needed to take care of their families") and part by the unions I suspect. I guess its a similar rational with the elderly, supposedly taking young people's jobs. It also smells of conodention, telling people what is good for them because they don't know themselvs. I also suspect labor unions are the cause of that: eg airplane pilots. More reason to support right to work laws I guess. |
| JessicaWoman99 | (reply to LJD) posted 19-Oct-2008 1:20am > NO
Well look at me i am a good example of this and waited so long until i decided it is time for me to retire at 52 years old missed so many days in a whole year because I just could not work and took 2 months sick leave and come back all sick again more and more mental problems just could not take it any longer , it is time for those tax payers to support me this time and they are paying for me Yes my boss she was mad and all pissed off with me missing so many days and not my fault this has happened it is life is what they call it |
| LJD | (reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Oct-2008 1:36am I don't think people should be forced to retire. It should be voluntary.
I hope all is well with you JessicaWoman, hope you are feeling better. |
| southernyankee | (reply to LJD) posted 19-Oct-2008 2:18am What if its the private companies that decide to discriminate the elderly instead of the government?
Should the government have the right to tell companies that they aren't allowed to do that? |
| they | posted 19-Oct-2008 9:02am Yeah, at 45. |
| Gomezy3k | posted 19-Oct-2008 11:46am People should be able to retire anytime they wish to. Or until they become senile and drooling... |
| JessicaWoman99 | (reply to LJD) posted 19-Oct-2008 11:47am > I don't think people should be forced to retire. It should be voluntary.
> > > I hope all is well with you JessicaWoman, hope you are feeling better. > Well since i retired my blood pressure has come down as well as my anxiety and my mental well being just one step at a time and feels soo good being retired and getting out and doing more things |
| Cain | posted 19-Oct-2008 1:40pm I'm inclined to say no, but it depends on the person. |
| gambler | posted 19-Oct-2008 3:59pm Not sure |
| Joanne | (reply to southernyankee) posted 19-Oct-2008 6:58pm >
> Is this private employers forcing their employees to retire early, > or the government telling companies to retire their employees. Are > these government jobs, or private sector jobs? Is this some sort > of union thing? > Good point. I never thought of unions when I asked the question. I've just been hearing a lot of people say they were hoping to retire soon, but can't now with the economic downturn. It made me wonder if the whole thing should be restructured - and wonder what pressures the government is facing having to pay out benefits to the baby boomers right now without the expected return on the money. Since retirement is such a personal issue (and I agree that it should be) it kind of bugs me that the people I"m listening to aren't able to retire themselves. How about a right to retire law? What would that look like? > |
| ElvisFan67 | posted 19-Oct-2008 8:06pm Umm--not really. I think a person should be allowed to work as long as he or she feels like it. |
| LJD | (reply to southernyankee) posted 20-Oct-2008 12:42am Well, ever since the civil rights act of 1962, anyone and everyone can say discrimination. I'm against the civil rights act of 1962....it was the beginning of the end.
I don't really know the answer Southernyankee. Telling a company who they can or cannot hire, is a loss of freedom. |
| LJD | (reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 20-Oct-2008 12:46am Did you have a stressful job before you retired? |
| jettles | posted 20-Oct-2008 10:55am nope, should be on case by case basis |
| cerealkiller | posted 20-Oct-2008 8:14pm No, except there should be considerations in some occupations that require mental or physical exertion, alertness, etc. |
| JessicaWoman99 | (reply to LJD) posted 20-Oct-2008 11:44pm > Did you have a stressful job before you retired?
Not really to stressful but my boss Diane she would be all over my butt and worked like hell for a part time job of 5 hours she was a slavedriver and made slaves out of us oh gee goodness i hardly ever got a break it was go go and break your back and my poor head could not take it any longer |
| LJD | (reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 20-Oct-2008 11:53pm I think some people are just not suited for management positions. I feel many times, most people will be more productive if encouraged. Of course, this is not always the case, and those should be asked to leave, or be given a different position that better suits them. The only place I worked that had a terrible way of doing things was a bank. They had charts that each employee had to mark their hours of productivity, several items. I think it actually slowed people down. Thank God it was only a temporary job. Generally, I've worked for places that the management worked well with the employees. |
| JessicaWoman99 | (reply to LJD) posted 21-Oct-2008 1:00am > I think some people are just not suited for management positions.
> I feel many times, most people will be more productive if encouraged. > Of course, this is not always the case, and those should be asked > to leave, or be given a different position that better suits them. > The only place I worked that had a terrible way of doing things > was a bank. They had charts that each employee had to mark their > hours of productivity, several items. I think it actually slowed > people down. Thank God it was only a temporary job. Generally, I've > worked for places that the management worked well with the employees. No she would not give me a better position and yes i was hoping she would have made things better for me but the answer was always no and no , oh she thought i was a good worker and all and gave me raises but still my health could not hold up under these working conditions and my mental state was not good at all and my boss she had her many mental problems as well |
| LJD | (reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 21-Oct-2008 6:43am I understand JessicaWoman. I've heard of bosses such as yours. |
| Matty | posted 21-Oct-2008 7:52am This would depend on the circumstances; jobs that require physicality or quick reactions should set a retirement age. |
| JessicaWoman99 | (reply to LJD) posted 21-Oct-2008 2:29pm > I understand JessicaWoman. I've heard of bosses such as yours.
And being retired is working out for me right now and having a roommate we both understand and think alike all the junk that has happened to us in her life and in my life it has just been a total disaster and one nightmare after the other it is very difficult to cope with life An incident just happened at the Church i have been going to will not go into details but one of the men from that Church he is the lowest piece of crap" and scumbag talk about judging me and condemming me he is headed for his own pile of hell crap Now i am filing a sexual harrassment against his ass and sexual assault because he grabbed my dress and touched my breasts and he was telling me not to use the womens bathroom and calling me this name jeff jeff ?? Yes he was telling me to use the mens bathroom oh what a piece of crap he is he does not even know me ?? I will take this all the way to Court and sue the doges sue the crap out of them those holy rollers Jean Yes my full legal name is Jessica Deanna Rose and F for female on all my documents go figure ?? he pissed me off and set off my panic attacks |
| LJD | (reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 22-Oct-2008 12:10am I'm sorry about your incident at church, painful. I hope all works out well for you with the suit. |
| Irene007 | posted 23-Oct-2008 1:50pm Certain occupations if tested... I guess
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| cloudhugger | posted 23-Oct-2008 7:23pm No. Force THIS!! How does that feel. |
| soyring1 | posted 25-Oct-2008 2:32pm With today's economy, just hoping I'll still be working when I finally am ready to retire!! |
| Enigma | posted 26-Oct-2008 12:25am No. If they can't hack it they can't hack it but if the person wants to work they should be allowed to continue working. I personally resent having to work but I put up with it out of necessity. I've got too much I need to do to work. |
| docgbrown | posted 31-Oct-2008 2:03am Never forced |
| Biggles | posted 21-Jan-2009 7:40pm No, but it's important that we protect the right of manual workers to retire at a reasonable age. |
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