Do you know the difference between Sunni Muslims and Shi'ite Muslims?
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| 6 | Yes | | 3 | Yes, now that I've read the provided link | | 16 | No | | 0 | No, and I don't believe there is a difference | | 0 | Other: |
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they   | | posted 25-Aug-2008 5:07pm |
Nope - nor do I care. | bill    | | posted 25-Aug-2008 5:28pm |
I'm going to say "no", though I have read the difference and had someone explain it to me. I just forget. Given that I don't know much about Islam, it was hard to remember the nuance.
I think it had something to do with one group feeling certain priest(imams?) were of higher status (prophets?) and the other group thinking that was sacrilegious. I'm sure that's not quite right.
OK, I read some of that page, until I got a headache. Meh, it all seems like BS to me, religion sucks.
To be fair, I suspect that most people wouldn't be able to state the difference between various types of Christians. | | Enheduanna | | posted 25-Aug-2008 7:39pm |
Vaguely. I don't pretend to understand the complexities of it, though. | dab  | | posted 25-Aug-2008 8:08pm |
I know vaguely that it has to do with a dispute about the successor to Mohammad but nothing about their differences in doctrine. | | southernyankee | | posted 25-Aug-2008 8:49pm |
Yes, now that I've read the provided link, and I know a bit before.
So the Shias are a bit like the protestants, decentralized ministers, and the Shi'tes are like the RCC, with the Pope and Bishops directly appointing their successors and their successors, and so on. | | southernyankee | | posted 25-Aug-2008 8:51pm |
I figured this was a Frostband survey. He've explained to me their differences before, and Matty did that too once in much greater detail (which was a bit over my head). | | Pomeranian | | posted 25-Aug-2008 8:54pm |
one hates us and the other hates us even more. | LJD  | | posted 25-Aug-2008 9:22pm |
I just sent this same article to my friends. I did not know the difference before I read the article. Thank you for posting.. | | Iseult | | posted 25-Aug-2008 9:48pm |
Kind of. I don't care much. | | JessicaWoman99 | | posted 25-Aug-2008 10:07pm |
No i do not know the difference between them | | Frostbrand | | posted 26-Aug-2008 2:28am |
Yes. That's why it gets on my nerves when people say with a straight face that Iran is backing Al Qaeda. That would be a little bit like Protestants buying guns for Catholics in 1970s Belfast. Wouldn't happen. | | justjulie | | posted 26-Aug-2008 8:48am |
one is good in milk and the other tastes like shi'it? | gambler  | | posted 26-Aug-2008 11:10am |
The spelling?...........no, i didn't | | cantilever | | posted 26-Aug-2008 6:53pm |
Yes, Learned about that in Modern history at school. | Matty  | | posted 27-Aug-2008 8:38am |
Yes, and it's a distinction that isn't easily understood, but quite visceral; it's almost like trying to define the split between Lutherans and Methodists. However, I suspect the SC is going to try and say that Iran doesn't really hate us because their brand of Islam is really very different. That concept is a bunch of bullcrap; I've been hearing that argument for years, to which I would say read the State Department analysis of Iran.
| | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 27-Aug-2008 11:26am |
> Yes, and it's a distinction that isn't easily
> understood, but quite visceral; it's almost like
> trying to define the split between Lutherans and
> Methodists. However, I suspect the SC is going
> to try and say that Iran doesn't really hate us
> because their brand of Islam is really very different.
> That concept is a bunch of bullcrap; I've been
> hearing that argument for years, to which I would
> say read the State Department analysis of Iran.
>
>
Wow, you were being a dick before you even knew who made the survey. Typical Republican. Of course, I was going to make no such claim, not really. I was going to point out the difference between the iranian people and the Irnaian government. You see, they were on a slow road to Democracy, had a realtively progressive leader, even held candlelight vigils on our behalf after 9-11 in the streets of Tehran. They even sent troops to fihgt along side ours in Afghanistan (something I'm sure you'll deny with all the fervor of a Right Winger who knows he's wrong). Then Bush started in with his Axis of Evil crap, and bombed Iraq, which is one of two countries that borders Iran. The other of course being Afghanistan. So now, the Iranians are, perhaps justifiably, afraid that they're next. So, they elect an unpopular tyrannical Napoelenic butt-hole by the name of Ahmidinejad(sp?). Why? Well, becuase he seemed tough and ran on a platform of promising to do wahtever it took to protect Iran. Gee, where have I seen that movie? I wonder if his opponenet in that election was also named John Kerry. Of course, like us, the Iranians began to wise up. In Iran's own midterm elections, Ahmadinthehead's party lost a large chunk of it's seat in the parliament to the party of that relatively progressive leader I'd mentioned earlier.
And of course, Iran still wouldn't train Al Qaeda, because Al Qaeda is militant Sunni. They hate Shi'ites, and they want to overthrow Iran just as much as they want to overthrow us. The policies of Bush have turned this one-time potential ally into a potential enemy. If Iran does attack Israel or anybody else, it's your fault because you voted for that chimp. | | Matty |
Thank you for your interpretation of recent historical developments; though I disagree with your conclusions, you demonstrated that you like to stay informed...at least as you see it.
I responded here because I thought that we perhaps shared some common values, which could have formed the basis for some meaningful discourse, and I recently indicated that we could attempt such a discourse in the near future. I was wrong; you started your post with insults...hmm, shocker. 
Disparaging a differing political view, even with coarse language, is not a direct insult. Naturally, my expressing utter disgust at the ideas about Iran not being so bad were made to elicit a response. But I didn't call the SC an butt-hole or a typical, bed-wetting liberal pussy who lets everyone else defend our nation so he could stay home and suck on his thumb or the government's bewb. I started by predicting that the conclusion of the survey was a bunch of bullcrap. I understand if you don't appreciate or care about that distinction, that's your perogative. However, I see that distinction as substantive, and I just don't really want to communicate with you at all anymore. So, call me what you like, but I will no longer respond to you. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 27-Aug-2008 1:41pm |
> Thank you for your interpretation of recent historical
> developments; though I disagree with your conclusions,
> you demonstrated that you like to stay informed...at
> least as you see it.
>
> I responded here because I thought that we perhaps
> shared some common values, which could have formed
> the basis for some meaningful discourse, and I
> recently indicated that we could attempt such
> a discourse in the near future. I was wrong;
> you started your post with insults...hmm, shocker.
>
>
> Disparaging a differing political view, even with
> coarse language, is not a direct insult. Naturally,
> my expressing utter disgust at the ideas about
> Iran not being so bad were made to elicit a response.
Well then have you any right to be dissapointed and/or offended by the response? Also, just for clarities sake, are we talking about the religous fundamnetalists in iran, or the average citizen of Iran? Cause your average Iranian actually kind of likes us. They love to buy our jeans and our music, and it pisses them of everytime we do soemthing that emboldens their President,. a man I like to call the tinniest tyrant.
> But I didn't call the SC an butt-hole or a typical,
> bed-wetting liberal pussy who lets everyone else
> defend our nation so he could stay home and suck
> on his thumb or the government's bewb. I started
> by predicting that the conclusion of the survey
> was a bunch of bullcrap.
How so exactly? One need only look at the current state of Iraq to see how deep the divide between the two sects goes.
> I understand if you
> don't appreciate or care about that distinction,
> that's your perogative. However, I see that distinction
> as substantive, and I just don't really want
> to communicate with you at all anymore. So, call
> me what you like, but I will no longer respond
> to you.
Why am I not surprised? I hit people with facts, and all they can complain about is my attitude. Well maybe I am overly rude. Doesn't neccesarily make me wrong. Intelligence and personality aren't mutual entities. One can be very smart and very nice, or very samrt and very mean, or very smart and very apathetic (wait, that's an oxymoron isn't it?). The vice versa of that is true as well. So what if I can be a jerk sometimes? The fact is, whenver I lay out some truth, I rarely get any actual coutnerarguments based on facts or interpretations thereof. I get one of the following.
"You're a troll!"
"Your spelling sucks!"
-or-
"The Bible says you're going to Hell!"
Hardly ever anything like "Well, I have a study here done by a group with no ties to anyone in the GOP that I know of. Here's their website." This is not to say it has never happened, but I can count on one hand the number of times it's happened in the past six months, and no hands for the number of times it's come from you, or JohnCD just to throw another douchenozzle into the mix.
Iran is not nor would ever train Al Qaeda, an organization that wants it overthrown and it's leaders dead. Only Right Wing pundits who rarely leave their condos except to go on Fox News and John McCain say so. Even Bush hasn't been quite that stupid. And if Dubya's smart enough to figure it out.... | | southernyankee |
Al Qaeda isn't the only Islamic organization out there. There's also Hezbola (sp?), among others. One of the Axis of Evil Tour comedians even made a joke about it: "How do you know which one to join. Is it like rushing a fraternity."
I mean try looking it from Joe Six Pack doesn't follow politics closely enough point of view. Its kinda hard keeping them all straight. Also, are you sure Bush specificly named Al Qaeda or did he just say "terrorist camps".
Good call on the distinction between the people of Iran verses the leadership. However, I am sure Bush meant the government, not people, whenever talking about Iran. hink logically about it for a second. Would someone as obsessed about bringing freedom everywhere to everyone (right or wrong) fail to make that distinction. | | Frostbrand |
> Al Qaeda isn't the only Islamic organization out
> there. There's also Hezbola (sp?), among others.
> One of the Axis of Evil Tour comedians even
> made a joke about it: "How do you know which one
> to join. Is it like rushing a fraternity."
>
>
> I mean try looking it from Joe Six Pack doesn't
> follow politics closely enough point of view.
> Its kinda hard keeping them all straight. Also,
> are you sure Bush specificly named Al Qaeda or
> did he just say "terrorist camps".
>
> Good call on the distinction between the people
> of Iran verses the leadership. However, I am
> sure Bush meant the government, not people, whenever
> talking about Iran. hink logically about it for
> a second. Would someone as obsessed about bringing
> freedom everywhere to everyone (right or wrong)
> fail to make that distinction.
Actually to be fair, I was talking about McCain. he's said repeatedly that iran is supporting Al Qaeda. One time mics caught Joe LIEberman whispering a correction into McCain's ear. As I said, even Bush, dumb as he is, have not made such claims. Beleive me, it's not easy to say something relatively nice about the man, but.... | | southernyankee |
I am (very) reluctant to judge polititions by their stupid gaffs. Becareful, thats a double-edged sword. You don't like it when people point to Obama's "cling to guns and Bible's" comments. | | Frostbrand |
> I am (very) reluctant to judge polititions by
> their stupid gaffs. Becareful, thats a double-edged
> sword. You don't like it when people point to
> Obama's "cling to guns and Bible's" comments.
>
When it gets repeated over and over again, it's beyond a gaff. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what his campaign tries to put out as his strong suit. | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 2-Sep-2008 11:58pm |
> Thank you for your interpretation of recent historical developments;
> though I disagree with your conclusions, you demonstrated that you
> like to stay informed...at least as you see it.
>
> I responded here because I thought that we perhaps shared some common
> values, which could have formed the basis for some meaningful discourse,
> and I recently indicated that we could attempt such a discourse in
> the near future. I was wrong; you started your post with insults...hmm,
> shocker.
>
> Disparaging a differing political view, even with coarse language,
> is not a direct insult. Naturally, my expressing utter disgust at
> the ideas about Iran not being so bad were made to elicit a response.
> But I didn't call the SC an butt-hole or a typical, bed-wetting liberal
> pussy who lets everyone else defend our nation so he could stay home
> and suck on his thumb or the government's bewb. I started by predicting
> that the conclusion of the survey was a bunch of bullcrap. I understand
> if you don't appreciate or care about that distinction, that's your
> perogative. However, I see that distinction as substantive, and I
> just don't really want to communicate with you at all anymore. So,
> call me what you like, but I will no longer respond to you.
I don't blame you at all for not wanting to communicate with Frostbrand anymore and I don't anymore either. He never seems to have anything good or sensible to say; all he likes to do is blast and insult people. When he disagrees with something someone says or believes, he should simply ignore them or, if he must, convey his opinions/beliefs in a nice way without the insults and being nasty to people. I've been totally ignoring him for quite a while now; in fact, I don't even read any of his replies to me anymore. When I notice a reply from him, I ignore it and immediately move on the next one. There's nothing he can say to hurt me or affect me in any way, but I figure, why bother reading the worthless crap he has to say. He thinks that he is always right and he isn't. More often than not, his so called facts are useless and of no value at all. You're definitely better off ignoring him from now on like I have been. | | Frostbrand | | posted 3-Sep-2008 12:15am |
Please note that when JohnCD says "worthless crap," he means anything that contradicts his own baseless asssertions based on nothing more than propaganda and indoctrinated. | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 3-Sep-2008 7:52am |
The old standby guidance is...don't feed the trolls, and they will eventually go away. | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 3-Sep-2008 10:53am |
> The old standby guidance is...don't feed the trolls, and they will
> eventually go away.
Very true, I've been completely ignoring him and will continue to do so. | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 3-Sep-2008 11:03am |
It's unfortunate, but necessary. Perahps when he can no longer talk with most people here, he will realize his bahavior is unacceptable to reasonable people. | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 3-Sep-2008 11:20am |
> It's unfortunate, but necessary. Perahps when he can no longer talk
> with most people here, he will realize his bahavior is unacceptable
> to reasonable people.
It's very unfortunate that some people act the way he does. I'm sure he is capable of being a decent person if he wanted to, but for whatever reason, he chooses to act the way he does which is totally uncalled for. He's wasting his time by sending replies to me because I haven't read any of them in about three weeks now. | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 3-Sep-2008 11:46am |
Well then, he is as he does, and to concur, I have not responded to hime for quite some time either. | | Frostbrand |
You do know it's rude to talk about someone in the third person when that third person is present right? | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 4-Sep-2008 7:38am |
Well, well, looky here, apparently good manners have become important. How ironic, if not hypocritical...what gall. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 4-Sep-2008 1:20pm |
> Well, well, looky here, apparently good manners
> have become important. How ironic, if not hypocritical...what
> gall.
Speaking of gall, being accused of hypocracy by a Right Winger. | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 5-Sep-2008 12:17am |
> Well, well, looky here, apparently good manners have become important.
> How ironic, if not hypocritical...what gall.
Too bad not everyone has good manners that have always been very important to me. | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 5-Sep-2008 7:32am |
It's not really the manners that bug me about Frosty; it's the arrogance and lack of respect for other people. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 5-Sep-2008 3:23pm |
> It's not really the manners that bug me about
> Frosty; it's the arrogance and lack of respect
> for other people.
I think you're confusing me with George W. Bush. Happens alot. We're both tall, we're both white, we're both carbon based lifeforms... | | cloudhugger |
No, I do not know the difference or if there is a difference. I am a bit more concerned with my own 'backyard' right now and how to 'feed the birds' if you know what I mean. | | Wicksy |
Yes, one group are delusionists and the other group are delusionists | | cloudhugger |
ooooohhhhh cat fight..... | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 5-Sep-2008 5:51pm |
> It's not really the manners that bug me about Frosty; it's the arrogance
> and lack of respect for other people.
I agree regarding the manners; he is very arrogant and has no respect for other people at all. His arrogance and insults are totally uncalled for. He needs to learn some respect for others and their opions and beliefs. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 5-Sep-2008 6:15pm |
> |> It's not really the manners that bug me
> about Frosty; it's the arrogance
> |> and lack of respect for other people.
>
>
> I agree regarding the manners; he is very arrogant
> and has no respect for other people at all. His
> arrogance and insults are totally uncalled for.
> He needs to learn some respect for others and
> their opions and beliefs.
Oh I do respect other's opinions and beleifs. it's the lies and propaganda I can't stand, and that's what I go after. If you don't like that, well too bad. I was raised not to accept illogical crap at face value, and I'm greatful for that. | | HMC35 |
No, and I didn't read the link. | | docgbrown |
Yes I learned about the differences while in Iraq from the Yezdi Kurd and Shia Muslims that were with me there | | Matty | | (reply to JohnCD) posted 8-Sep-2008 9:05am |
I suspect he doesn't act like this in real life; I can't imagine him still possessing all of his teeth if he did. | | JohnCD | | (reply to Matty) posted 8-Sep-2008 8:00pm |
> I suspect he doesn't act like this in real life; I can't imagine him
> still possessing all of his teeth if he did.
I suspect he probably doesn't act like this in real life either. If he did, he would get his butt kicked; there would definitely be some teeth missing. I have no doubt he may display some arrogance and lack of respect at a lesser degree than he does on this site. |
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