If you suddenly become rich, what would you buy first?
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cloudhugger     | | posted 21-Aug-2008 9:44am |
I would fix up the cottage. | Melf   | | posted 21-Aug-2008 9:46am |
Carmina Burana ticket. | | Jody | | posted 21-Aug-2008 9:54am |
I'd buy my way out of debt. Then I'd buy a lot of home repairs and remedial landscaping work. Then I'd buy some really nice lighting treatments for the house, maybe a nice vacation for the family, and a new computer. | Matty  | | posted 21-Aug-2008 10:00am |
food for lots of people who don't have any
I don't want to be rich; I just want to not struggle. | bill  | | posted 21-Aug-2008 10:47am |
a lawyer | | Iseult | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:10am |
Property. | | LindaH | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:13am |
Pay off the land | | Galomorro | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:39am |
A house for myself and a good friend. If the house I choose for myself is too small for two people, I would get him a house nearby. Then I would make sure both of us have use of a washer & dryer and good stove & refrigerators. A new vacuum cleaner for myself. | | moviesnob | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:46am |
First I would pay off credit card debt.
Then I would pay off my car.
Then I would buy a new TV. | | JessicaWoman99 | | posted 21-Aug-2008 12:32pm |
Can i buy John Mc Cain and move into the White House with my cute boyfriend | | paulyw | | posted 21-Aug-2008 12:50pm |
A cabin | | Frostbrand | | posted 21-Aug-2008 1:02pm |
| | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 21-Aug-2008 1:03pm |
> food for lots of people who don't have any
>
> I don't want to be rich; I just want to not struggle.
Right on dude. | | Matty |
Thank you for the sentiment; am I to take this compliment as an Olive Branch? | | Enheduanna | | posted 21-Aug-2008 3:13pm |
A house. | | dab | | posted 21-Aug-2008 3:17pm |
I've been thinking a lot recently about sailboats. Maybe a sailboat. Probably not, though. | | LJD | | posted 21-Aug-2008 3:58pm |
Buy some land for my future generations...add to my living trust. Set aside for my grandchildren, and my new great granddaughter. Set aside for my children, and as overseers for their children, grandchildren in disbursing funds.
For myself, I would just want a reliable car to drive, some money to go to the movies/lunch with friends and family. I have a roof over my head, food, clothing, fair health, a loving family, and friends, and the strength of my faith. What more is there to want?
| | Crayons | | posted 21-Aug-2008 4:06pm |
uh.. buy Survey Central off Bill and make everyone type "in your pants" after every comment they make. [in your pants] | | Crayons |
It's over for you, Jessica. | | Kristal_Rose | | posted 21-Aug-2008 6:22pm |
Gender surgery. | | romkey | | posted 21-Aug-2008 7:46pm |
A congressman. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to Matty) posted 21-Aug-2008 7:56pm |
It wasn't really meant as such, but why not? I just happen to like the attitude behind it. Keep in my mind the thing I had as my first act is an act of support for a small press author (the fact she guested on my podcast is just a coincidence I assure you  ). Not quite as altruistic, but the central idea is the same; doing something for someone else as opposed to for oneself. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to Crayons) posted 21-Aug-2008 9:10pm |
Oh weeep weep boo hoo my heart is broken whaaaa""""""""""" Whaaaaaa""" | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 21-Aug-2008 9:22pm |
> Buy some land for my future generations...add to my living trust.
> Set aside for my grandchildren, and my new great granddaughter.
> Set aside for my children, and as overseers for their children, grandchildren
> in disbursing funds.
>
> For myself, I would just want a reliable car to drive, some money
> to go to the movies/lunch with friends and family. I have a roof
> over my head, food, clothing, fair health, a loving family, and friends,
> and the strength of my faith. What more is there to want?
>
Jean the most reliable and dependable car i have ever owned is a Chevrolet Lumina with front wheel drive 232 v 6 it is great! on gas i can drive this car up to 300 miles before I fill it back up again , yes i have A/C and never had any problems with this car at all , it can get up and move and it does used to be a police car at one time?
At the police department here in town they are bidding on this 1998 Chevrolet Lumina oh it is such!! a lovely car , looks a little like my 1990 Lumina and yes i have thought about bidding on this car but then I am on a fixed income and i just look
at this car as i drive by oh it is in exellent condition and just wish that i could afford to do something.
Yes parts are real hard to find for my car with it being 20 years old and nearly impossible to find parts? | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to romkey) posted 21-Aug-2008 10:25pm |
Ooh, that's like the old cereal box license plates, you can collect one from earh state.
Perhaps you you could just collect their DNA and grow a fleet of clones in your basement. Not sure what you'd use them for though. You could invite circus tourists, and use them in exotic photoshoots to blackmail their predecessors. | | ausfox | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:17pm |
A house | | kcthedog | | posted 21-Aug-2008 11:34pm |
A drink! | | jettles | | posted 22-Aug-2008 7:45am |
depending on how much "rich" is, i would pay off all my bills first then give some money to my dad and brother, then i would probably just relax and settle for a bit before any other purchases were made! | | jettles | | (reply to bill) posted 22-Aug-2008 7:47am |
> a lawyer
good idea!!! | | jettles | | (reply to Matty) posted 22-Aug-2008 7:48am |
> food for lots of people who don't have any
cool, amazing thought!!! and good advice to follow! | | Matty |
OK, let's see what happens from here. | | Matty | | (reply to jettles) posted 22-Aug-2008 7:50am |
thank you for your compliment | | jettles | | (reply to Matty) posted 22-Aug-2008 7:53am |
welcome............ i think it is the reason we are here: to help one another!! it is a wonderful thing to do!!
hey did your daughter watch all the swimming on the olympics? | | Cain | | posted 22-Aug-2008 7:56am |
A pair of breast implants. | | Matty | | (reply to jettles) posted 22-Aug-2008 8:07am |
I agree; and I'm a little curious to see the responses of some of the so-called "Christians" here.
religously...she's making Olympic plans for when she's about 18. In trying out for the county team at the Y, she swept (all strokes) the girl who had beaten her in the backstroke at the county meet. It made her a little cocky..."I can beat anybody I want to if I work hard, Daddy." So, I have my work cut out for me in instilling good values.
Then again, I will also give her every possible opportunity to pursue her dream. Plus, she doesn't have bad genetics to work with either, athletics wise. I played Division 1, AAA football, as a DE, and her mother competed internationally in dancing, She represented Colombia when she was 22, 24, and 25 in Latin Dance (Salsa and Passa Doble). If you follow that stuff, you may recognize her maiden name (I doubt it, but you never know) Eylen Arango Hurtado. | | justjulie | | posted 22-Aug-2008 8:11am |
a bottle of Crown Royal Extra Special reserve | | jen | | posted 22-Aug-2008 9:32am |
I'd add on to my house! | | jen | | (reply to bill) posted 22-Aug-2008 9:35am |
um...what kind of lawyer? 
| | bill | | (reply to jen) posted 22-Aug-2008 9:51am |
lol... that took me a second. | | bill |
I listened to the first couple chapters of that... | | jettles | | (reply to Matty) posted 22-Aug-2008 10:50am |
very cool, i thought about you and your daughter while i was watching the olympic swimming, it was inspiring!! i do not recognize your wife's name............ but all that background is excellent for your daughter!
i always find so called "christian" values very interesting especially when push comes to shove. | | LindaH | | (reply to jen, bill) posted 22-Aug-2008 11:51am |
Funny! | | LJD |
My dad was a Chevy man. My husband a Ford man. I'm a Mercury woman.....LOL I don't know if I've ever seen a Chevy Lumina...sounds like a grand car. I've heard of them however. It sounds like my kind of car.
Before I had my 2001 Mercury Grand Marquis, I had a Ford Crown Victoria, which was a fine car too. In my area, the Crown Victorias were used by the police department. They're very reliable cars. The only reason I don't have it now, is a girl on drugs rammed the car in front of my house one night. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 22-Aug-2008 7:37pm |
> My dad was a Chevy man. My husband a Ford man. I'm a Mercury woman.....LOL
> I don't know if I've ever seen a Chevy Lumina...sounds like a grand
> car. I've heard of them however. It sounds like my kind of car.
>
>
> Before I had my 2001 Mercury Grand Marquis, I had a Ford Crown Victoria,
> which was a fine car too. In my area, the Crown Victorias were used
> by the police department. They're very reliable cars. The only reason
> I don't have it now, is a girl on drugs rammed the car in front of
> my house one night.
Most of the police around here like the State Patrol they use Crown Victorias and they have the turbo charger in them because i flagged down the State police before because this man he was causing road rage tailgate my car and the bastard he flipped me off . Well Jean after seeing that cop and telling him what happened? You should have been here
that cop he turns on lights and siren and you could hear the Turbo Charger as he got ready to give chase and yes he
caught the bastard some 20 miles away and pulled him over , I wanted a piece of that jerk and tell him off but the cop he
told me to stay in my car which i did do. We were told to drive to the Kremmling Police department and sort this all out.
That man he was calling me a dog!!!! and saying he was going to kill me and the cops were talking to him and one cop
he was talking with me about what happened and i told the cop he was tailgating me and then passed my car in a no
passing zone which he denied and said i was lying and it was he said/she said my word against his?
We dropped the charges against each other and we left end of that. | | LJD |
Please be safe, you never know about road rage. In our area, there have been some STRANGE, and HORRIBLE incidents. I'm glad your case turned out okay.
Take care, be safe! | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 22-Aug-2008 9:57pm |
> Please be safe, you never know about road rage. In our area, there
> have been some STRANGE, and HORRIBLE incidents. I'm glad your case
> turned out okay.
>
> Take care, be safe!
Oh just never know in this kind of world we are living in and yes I do find myself looking over my shoulder and all around
me all of the time not knowing? Yes thanks and i will play it safe wherever i go or travel | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 23-Aug-2008 1:44am |
> Please be safe, you never know about road rage. In our area, there
> have been some STRANGE, and HORRIBLE incidents. I'm glad your case
> turned out okay.
>
> Take care, be safe!
There was some "Breaking News" tonight Senator Joe Biden is Barack Obama's Vice President? | | LJD |
Nothing will surprise me anymore Jessica... I also heard Romney MAY become McCain's VP selection. Generally speaking, I like Romney, that is what I know of him. | | they | | posted 23-Aug-2008 11:25am |
My debts. | | they | | (reply to jen) posted 23-Aug-2008 11:26am |
> um...what kind of lawyer?
>
>
>
lol
| | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 23-Aug-2008 12:12pm |
> Nothing will surprise me anymore Jessica... I also heard Romney MAY
> become McCain's VP selection. Generally speaking, I like Romney,
> that is what I know of him.
Yes nothing should surprise!! us these day's and yes even thou I am a Democrat Mitt Romney i like him as well , I will vote Republican if I have to and because I would trust John Mc Cain over Barack Obama but then I have heard some bad things about John Mc Cain when it comes to women? | | LJD |
I hate to say it, but men are the weak ones. I heard a pastor say, that women are the better or stronger angels from the world that was...men being the weaker. I want to believe there are sexually good men, strong men. I talked to a male doctor once years ago that said, a man can control himself sexually.
Recently this story with Congressman John Edwards, fathering a "love child". I'm extremely angry at that rat...his wife having cancer. This tragic dilema for Mrs. Edwards, this revelation will kill his wife. Negative emotions for someone with cancer, is deadly. If he has any kind of conscience, I hope he lives with knowing he helped kill his wife. | | caviartaste | | posted 24-Aug-2008 12:49am |
a comfortable mattress.......then, I could stuff all my money in the UN-comfortable one I'm sleeping on now! | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Aug-2008 1:01am |
> I hate to say it, but men are the weak ones. I heard a pastor say,
> that women are the better or stronger angels from the world that was...men
> being the weaker. I want to believe there are sexually good men,
> strong men. I talked to a male doctor once years ago that said, a
> man can control himself sexually.
>
> Recently this story with Congressman John Edwards, fathering a "love
> child". I'm extremely angry at that rat...his wife having cancer.
> This tragic dilema for Mrs. Edwards, this revelation will kill his
> wife. Negative emotions for someone with cancer, is deadly. If he
> has any kind of conscience, I hope he lives with knowing he helped
> kill his wife.
That also made me sick and angry!! hearing about John Edwards he is a dirty rat indeed , and yes as women we are the stronger ones because of all the weight of the world on our shoulders and bearing children we have to be strong!!
But with cancer and what John Edwards has done to his wife it will most likely be her death all because of him yes i can
see that happening. Not all men can control themselves sexually seems all they think of is having sex but then as a woman we do the same thing we want it and we will get it. | | LJD |
I truly feel Mrs. Edwards will die of a broken heart.
I believe men can control themselves, but just choose not to...showing they are weaker. This is disobedience. Yes, a woman can pretty much get sex anytime she wants it...unless her husband can't perform. But, she too should maintain discipline.
| | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Aug-2008 6:39am |
You seem to think non-monogamy is unnatural or otherwise wrong, To be sure, monogamy has some advantages and the reverse can bring about complications, but any sense of insult or abandonment that comes from non-monogamy is something we invented ourselves, like being insulted if the kids eat cookies instead of tuna sandwiches.
You needed a doctor to confirm that men can control thmselves sexually? I doubt they're clinically much different than women except that they may have different values and think they can get away with more. They may go more for flash and diversity erotocism than emotional bonding though. I think younger men were raised with less of the macho womanizing climate prevalent in your generation at least. It's no longer such a criteria for bragging rights. I may be out of that loop though. | | LJD |
I see the common sense in monogamy. The rules of the Bible are for us, for a better life. I have seen so much damage by non-monogamy. We all inately have a need to be loved, to love, a need for emotional and physical security. The greatest love is putting your loved one's feelings before your own...this is love. In today's world it's "me, me" . As it says, the sins of a father/mother shall visit ten generations...and it will, and yet people will say "where did it all go wrong"? It went wrong when they became disobedient. We're sinners, while in the flesh, and must work daily to try to live a better life, however, difficult. I admit I'm a sinner, I know my failings, but will not do anything to hurt my family.
You're right perhaps men think they can get away with immoral actions easier, but what makes it so sad is men are supposed to be the headship of the home, should be fair, good leaders....yet they have given up these roles. Perhaps this is why the country is decaying. Then the women have been misled to think they need a career to be a happy person. Men and women were meant to be complementing to each other, instead of being on the opposite sides of the fence.
The more sexual promiscuity, the sicker the society. Sexuality is a fact of life, a wonderful part of life, and should be kept within the confines of a monogamous relationship....for your and future generations sake. God in his wise design, KNOWS what is best for us. | | dab | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Aug-2008 3:17pm |
If I look in the Bible I sure find a lot of non-monogamy that is approved of by God. So if I was using that as my guide to life, I would have to conclude that non-monogamy is just fine. | | LJD | | (reply to dab) posted 24-Aug-2008 3:46pm |
Because it is in the Bible, does not mean God approves of the behavior.
I'll ask you Dab, have you ever been really in love with someone? If so, would it bother you for your loved one to go to bed with another man, to have sexual intercourse? I feel if you're healthy, you'd be a bit miffed. Monogamy, and discipline go hand in hand. The problem is people are not disciplined, are disobedient. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Aug-2008 5:07pm |
> I truly feel Mrs. Edwards will die of a broken heart.
>
> I believe men can control themselves, but just choose not to...showing
> they are weaker. This is disobedience. Yes, a woman can pretty much
> get sex anytime she wants it...unless her husband can't perform.
> But, she too should maintain discipline.
>
Yes I do feel that Mrs. Edwards she will die of a broken heart and it is very sad for this to happen to such a wonderful!
person and Mrs. Edwards she does not deserve this at all plus i heard the word "divorce" coming from the Edwards family would not surprise me and just nothing these day's really does surprise!! me anymore. | | dab | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Aug-2008 7:18pm |
However, if God tells someone to do something (like take their brother's wife as their own if their brother dies) then I *do* conclude that God approves of that action.
Yes, I have really been in love with people but that has no relevance to the point I was making. I wasn't talking about what I want or what I think is right. I was purely responding to your comment about the Bible and monogamy. The Bible clearly supports polygamy, well at least polygyny, and if you base your life on the Bible, then monogamy is not required.
Now if you, personally, do not want non-monogamy, that's just fine. I think you should decide for yourself. Just don't lay that decision on something that doesn't support it. | | LindaH | | posted 24-Aug-2008 10:48pm |
I happen upon this current conversation as "Love the one you're with" plays in my audio player, and it makes me LMAO | | LJD |
I saw a rag magazine that said some pretty horrible things. I truly feel sorry for Mrs. Edwards, Mr. Edwards should be hung up by his balls, and left to dangle. He has single handedly killed his family's spirit, wife and children. His behavior, his sins will visit his children, his children's children for ten generations.
I doubt there'll be a divorce, and if there is, it will be to protect her interests, assets. She'll probably want to give her half of the assets to her children instead of some fallen woman, her husband will be taking up with. I can only imagine the torture Mrs. Edwards is going through. I do know if this happened to me, even if I stayed in the marriage, he would never cross over into my room again...I would never touch him again, or allow him to touch me. | | LJD | | (reply to dab) posted 25-Aug-2008 1:36am |
One has to really look to the context, and the language of the day. There is scripture that says not to marry a sibling, inlaws, family. I admit I'm not a scholar on the Bible, but I haven't seen where polygamy, polygyny is permitted. It may have happened, but it doesn't mean God approves. The scripture you mentioned, the husband is dead so the wife may marry who she wants. I have to look it up and study it.
The relationships you have mentioned are confusing. Satan is the god of confusion.
You did not answer my question Dab. Would you like a woman you were in love with, go to bed with another man? Have intercourse with another man? | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 1:51am |
> I saw a rag magazine that said some pretty horrible things. I truly
> feel sorry for Mrs. Edwards, Mr. Edwards should be hung up by his
> balls, and left to dangle. He has single handedly killed his family's
> spirit, wife and children. His behavior, his sins will visit his
> children, his children's children for ten generations.
>
> I doubt there'll be a divorce, and if there is, it will be to protect
> her interests, assets. She'll probably want to give her half of the
> assets to her children instead of some fallen woman, her husband will
> be taking up with. I can only imagine the torture Mrs. Edwards is
> going through. I do know if this happened to me, even if I stayed
> in the marriage, he would never cross over into my room again...I
> would never touch him again, or allow him to touch me.
Oh indeed!!! string the bastard up by his balls and let them dangle!!!! and make him suffer just suffer and see how he feels or perhaps he has no true feelings for Mrs Edwards no feelings at all , and what a jerk he is a total dumb and stupid jerk of a man and yes he will most likely pass this on to his children as well and maybe! unless they are stronger
and wiser than he is they will not pick this up and after seeing him for he is , it is most unlikely they will ever be like him and only time will tell. Yes if i had to stay in this marriage I would keep my distance from him that is for dam sure and at
least 10 miles apart i would stay away from the bastard oh!!! yes and i would not blame her if she does file for divorce
from her husband and it could get very ugly as well , but if she filed for divorce then she needs a place to stay or kick
his butt out of their home make him live somewhere else like in a dumpster??
Wonder if she can keep the home and most of their assets i would be concerned about. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 2:10am |
> One has to really look to the context, and the language of the day.
> There is scripture that says not to marry a sibling, inlaws, family.
> I admit I'm not a scholar on the Bible, but I haven't seen where
> polygamy, polygyny is permitted. It may have happened, but it doesn't
> mean God approves. The scripture you mentioned, the husband is dead
> so the wife may marry who she wants. I have to look it up and study
> it.
>
> The relationships you have mentioned are confusing. Satan is the
> god of confusion.
>
> You did not answer my question Dab. Would you like a woman you were
> in love with, go to bed with another man? Have intercourse with another
> man?
Jean I do believe that i can help you here on this;
i do have a Bible Dictionary and many of them here in my office and looking at polygamy takes me to; concubine and it
goes on to say that ; Polygamy was practiced in OT times Esau , Jacob , Gideon , David and Solomon Genesis: 26,34
29:29
1 King 11:3
And i will try to dig up even more on Polygamy but it is getting past my bedtime and goodnight!!
Yes I just have many Bible Dictionary's Jean looking around in here. | | dab | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 8:20am |
No, I did not answer your question. Your question is irrelevant as what I would like or not like has nothing to do with what the Bible says. Are you saying that's not true for you? Do you decide what the Bible says based on your own, personal feelings? That would explain a lot actually.
As for your not finding in the Bible where polygamy is permitted, I'm not sure what to say. It's not exactly rare. Check out Abraham and David for instance. Note the absence of condemnation. Solomon had hundreds of wives though there is scripture suggesting that God thought that would cause trouble and it did. If you're more into the New Testament, Paul wrote that deacons should only have one wife. If he meant to write that everyone should only have a single spouse, that's a pretty large mistake. It sure looks to me like he was calling out that this one group of people had to live differently than everyone else, thus obviously everyone else was allowed multiple wives. | | LJD |
My concern is for the woman's life. I just wonder how the children will feel, when their mother dies, and they learn all this stress hastened her death. I don't know if I could forgive my father.
I can understand how a husband and wife can fall out of love. But, there is a right way, and a wrong way to get out of the marriage. Obviously, it's a good thing to work it out, learn to love again. I am also a believer of staying together for the sake of the children, AT LEAST until they're raised. Ultimately, it's about putting other peoples before yourself. This has nothing to do about playing the part of a martyr, but about loving your children, grandchildren. Without a conscience, we're nothing. | | LJD |
I believe there may have been polygamy in those times, in today's world, it's called cheating, running around. There were many things, practices in the Bible, talking of the decadence of man....BUT did God approve of it? Today men are doing the same thing, by skipping around from woman to woman. Do you think God approves of it? There were many things that happend in the Bible, but it doesn't mean God approved it. God did not approve of it. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 11:49am |
> My concern is for the woman's life. I just wonder how the children
> will feel, when their mother dies, and they learn all this stress
> hastened her death. I don't know if I could forgive my father.
>
> I can understand how a husband and wife can fall out of love. But,
> there is a right way, and a wrong way to get out of the marriage.
> Obviously, it's a good thing to work it out, learn to love again.
> I am also a believer of staying together for the sake of the children,
> AT LEAST until they're raised. Ultimately, it's about putting other
> peoples before yourself. This has nothing to do about playing the
> part of a martyr, but about loving your children, grandchildren.
> Without a conscience, we're nothing.
Forgiving somebody is the hardest thing when they have wronged!! you every way they could and just like my parents my family trying to forgive them for being so selfish towards me , yes the Edwards children they will learn what really caused her death if and when it happens. I just wonder why some men become violent in a marriage and not willing to
let you leave and most men will murder their estranged wives and what good is a piece of paper a restraining order?
| | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 11:58am |
> I believe there may have been polygamy in those times, in today's
> world, it's called cheating, running around. There were many things,
> practices in the Bible, talking of the decadence of man....BUT did
> God approve of it? Today men are doing the same thing, by skipping
> around from woman to woman. Do you think God approves of it? There
> were many things that happend in the Bible, but it doesn't mean God
> approved it. God did not approve of it.
No God would not approve it a cheating husband and just think what they would do in China to a husband who cheats on his spouse? Right in China they would most likely execute him and i believe they did the same thing in OT times
and they did to women they were stoned to death but what about men in those day's? did they execute men as well who
had an adultress affairs hum this is interesting.
| | LJD | | (reply to dab) posted 25-Aug-2008 12:21pm |
I just posted a comment to JessicaWoman, but I'll repeat. There were many decadent things that happened in the Bible, but it does not mean God approved. God did not approve.
"Thou shalt not commit adultry". What does this mean to you? According to the Webster dictionary it says "sexually unfaithfulness of a married person". God had disdain for this practice. God talked against fornication, which is sexual practices between unmarried people. God has absolutes.
Why would God want just one group of people to live by his laws? Were these people then to set the example for the heathen of the world? Were they then supposed to teach his Word? God loves all his children, wants the best for them.
You say other people than "this group" were allowed to have multiple wives. It's not that they were allowed, they just did.
While people are in the flesh, and in this world, there will be sin....we're not perfected...yet, but we should try to live as best as we can, according to God's guidance.
My question to you, is relevant. I suspect you would not like your woman to be unfaithful, by having sexual intercourse with another man. It's natural. For this reason, a man having many "wives", or let's say whores in today's language is wrong.
Dab, women are not cattle, to be used, and cast aside. God said, for a man to love his wife, as he loves Christ. Likewise, women are to love and respect their husbands, be a complement to her husband. A marriage should be quite simple...just treat each other with love and respect, putting the other before yourself. Both partners are important in the unit. | | LJD |
For those people that maim, kill others, obviously have chemical and spiritual imbalances.
I think, this is a reason, NOT AN EXCUSE, why some men/women become violent. There are multiple reasons I suspect, bad childhood (a father/mother's sins shall visit ten generations), a feeling of abandonment, lack of love; the taking of pharmeceuticals, legally and illegally, the liquid drug..alcohol; lack of social skills, peer pressure; poor diet, the list goes on.
You're right a restraining order really doesn't work with an imbalanced person....this is why I believe in a person being able to own a gun, carry a gun to protect themselves.
You say your parents or family, selfish towards you? | | LJD |
When self absorbed men governed in old times, I suspect they punished a woman, yet not a man in infidelity.
I feel when a person has no regard for others, he/she should be punished as a consequence of his/her actions. The reason being is they not only hurt their spouse, they set a precedent for their future generations. Each person has a responsibility for their actions.
I read recently, that Asian countries have a high rate of immorality. I know a Chinese girl that while her mother was ill, her father carried on with the health care worker/maid. It hurt her mother, hastened her death.
I once worked in a nursing home....I'll never forget the callousness of one husband toward his ailing wife, when he came to visit. He brought in a "woman friend" when he came to visit, supposed to be only a friend, but evidently gave the woman his wife's ring. I remember the look on the ailing wife. Many of the nurses wanted to hang him up by the balls, and let him dangle. Stress kills.
The reason I talk most of men, is because they are the primary ones that do the naughty deeds, BUT there are many women who do the same. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 1:41pm |
> For those people that maim, kill others, obviously have chemical and
> spiritual imbalances.
>
> I think, this is a reason, NOT AN EXCUSE, why some men/women become
> violent. There are multiple reasons I suspect, bad childhood (a father/mother's
> sins shall visit ten generations), a feeling of abandonment, lack
> of love; the taking of pharmeceuticals, legally and illegally, the
> liquid drug..alcohol; lack of social skills, peer pressure; poor diet,
> the list goes on.
>
> You're right a restraining order really doesn't work with an imbalanced
> person....this is why I believe in a person being able to own a gun,
> carry a gun to protect themselves.
>
> You say your parents or family, selfish towards you?
Yes I have heard that chemical imbalances and it seems this would be more of a mental sickness and they give you medications for this and I think , men are more prone to violence than women are? of course there are women who just
lose their sanity and they go nuts and crazy!! and really spew out violence have seen this happen before.
Yes my parents they were just so ignorant and selfish towards me , my mom and dad they refused to help me when I
needed them the most and they just blocked me out and ignored my medical needs. | | LJD |
Absolutely, women can be as vile as men, but there are just more men that do it, than women. Both can be dangerous. I've watched a few old files on crime, and hear of some women that are so cruel, murder their husbands. I say, they ought to be hung. What right have they to take his life, just because she might think of him as an inconvenience? Horrifying. These people do not have a conscience.
I'm sorry to hear about your parents blocking you out in your time of need. Have you discussed this with your parents? Perhaps it as you said, they're ignorant of your needs. They don't have an understanding? | | dab | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 3:10pm |
You're right that just because some event is written down in the Bible does not constitute condoning that action. As you say, you have to read it in context. Cain murdering Able does not mean that God thinks murder is okay. The God of the old testament is not known for being particularly reticent when He is displeased. Cain was cast out and bore the mark of his action for the rest of his days. So what was God's response to Abraham's multiple wives? Nothing. Apparently He didn't have much of a problem with it. Now I understand that you don't want polygamy and that's your decision to make. But believing in God and saying that you think something is a sin that God would appear to have had no problem with, that's got to be the very epitome of arrogance.
Your definition of adultery from Websters mostly matches my understanding of the meaning of the term. So if someone was married to multiple people, having sex with those people would not constitute sex outside of their marriage. It would not be adultery, by definition.
Let's suppose for the moment that you're correct, that I would not like it if my wife were to have sex with another man. How does that affect what the Bible says on the matter? How do my feelings change God's laws? If you can convince me that my feelings matter in the least to anyone other than me, then I will answer your question about my feelings on the subject. Otherwise I maintain that the Bible says what it says completely independent of my own wishes and desires.
And as for your calling women who are part of a polygynous marriage "whores", now you're just trying to be insulting. That is rude and uncalled for. While I strongly disagree with you on many of your stated positions, I had thought better of you than that. | | LJD | | (reply to dab) posted 25-Aug-2008 5:00pm |
The definition as you proposed is man's way to subvert God's Word. There was intent in God's words, but man twisted it to please himself, work in his favor. Self absorbed men, disobedient men thought they could skate around the Commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultry" by taking excess women as wives. To each wife, individually, the man is committing adultry.
I feel every person is born with certain inate properties. Each person has the need to be loved, to love, to feel wanted, to feel secure. We cannot separate the mind/body/spirit. Each one affects the other. If a man or woman hurts their loved one, it begins to chip away at them, and their families, as to their importance, their feeling loved, feeling secure. It will affect their health, their trust...because the victim will always blame themselves. This is why God wrote what he wrote, to protect his children from pain, and sorrow.
I'll assume you have children Dab. Do you not want the best for them? You will set certain rules, to protect them. God's rules are here to protect us, not to cause pain.
I do not like the word whore, never did. My reference in this context, is the men think of these women as whores, they want to have women available to them at all times for their sexual desire. The problem is these women have allowed the men to use them as whores, they are aware. The problem is, they've been duped, brought up to think it's right. The definition of a whore is a prostitute, a woman to sell herself for monetary gains. The men of these "wives" are taking care of the needs of these women, by paying room and board, so to speak, therefore receiving monetary gain. I feel sorry for these women, they're being used.
| | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 25-Aug-2008 10:14pm |
> When self absorbed men governed in old times, I suspect they punished
> a woman, yet not a man in infidelity.
>
> I feel when a person has no regard for others, he/she should be punished
> as a consequence of his/her actions. The reason being is they not
> only hurt their spouse, they set a precedent for their future generations.
> Each person has a responsibility for their actions.
>
> I read recently, that Asian countries have a high rate of immorality.
> I know a Chinese girl that while her mother was ill, her father carried
> on with the health care worker/maid. It hurt her mother, hastened
> her death.
>
> I once worked in a nursing home....I'll never forget the callousness
> of one husband toward his ailing wife, when he came to visit. He
> brought in a "woman friend" when he came to visit, supposed to be
> only a friend, but evidently gave the woman his wife's ring. I remember
> the look on the ailing wife. Many of the nurses wanted to hang him
> up by the balls, and let him dangle. Stress kills.
>
> The reason I talk most of men, is because they are the primary ones
> that do the naughty deeds, BUT there are many women who do the same.
>
Yes we are responsible for our own actions and right now it is lightening outside really bad and yes stress does kill and
lightening will kill both me my computer and television goodbye Jean | | LJD |
Stay safe JessicaWoman. | | southernyankee | | posted 26-Aug-2008 12:22am |
My own apartment. | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 26-Aug-2008 6:05am |
It hadn't occurred to me before, but my son might still be around if it weren't for monogamy and putting all his emotional eggs in one basket.
Fortunate people have many friends, not just one. Plurality of relationships has no more bearing on whethar they are giving or out for themselves than in a single relationship. People are also different, in sex just as much in anything else. Really the only thing I think monogamy has going for it is structural convenience. There are alternatives, like raising kids in kibbutzes or matriarchical clans, but we've gone to something similar with day-care anyhow. Our mistake is not always realizing that these day care providers are family too. The two main strikes against non-monogamy in our times are that people hardly have enough time for their main relationship, and th jealousy thing, which could be as absurd as office asistants being jealous of a persons dealings with register clerks. We should have quality time with everyone without cause for jealousy.
I wasn't thinking men more immoral, but rather seeing family security in different terms than women, more material and less emotional,
Before women had careers, they had careers, cooking, knitting, and such. There'd be nothing for them to do except soap operas or online gaming these days.
What is promiscuity? A compunction to share jokes, critique art, or play racketball with several others could just as well be a form of intellectual, emotional, or physical promiscuity. I'd love it if I could get all my humor, intimacy, wise advice, compassion, entertainment, intrigue, education, etc. etc. out of a single person, but really I think that'd be lazy of me, quite stagnating, and an undue burden on my mate. Nor do I think sex should be the primary indicator of a relationship. I believe standards about sexual monogamy were created to control disease and identify parental responsibility in an age before birth control.
Done right, sex has the quality of being particularly intimate, but it seems to me we should should have some form of love and intimacy for all our friends. In this light, one's mate is merely the closest of friends because one doesn't cross the sexual border with the others. One could say that the 'till death do us part' aspect adds a lot of stuff too (if that's how a couple see's their marriage in the first place), but that 'till death do us part' isn't entirely unique to marriages. It's kind of implied with family members as well.
Personally I doubt God has any preference about family structures, and would advise accordingly to the greatest benefit of all whethar one was in a matriarchal tribe, a harem, a polygamous culture, or a free love culture. Of greater concern is meeting those conditions with unselfish compassion and responsibility. I rather doubt marriage will even exist in 150 years, but God and virtue will still have as great a place then as now or ever. | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LindaH) posted 26-Aug-2008 6:08am |
I was just thinking about that song when writing my response to LJD. Whew, there's a whole debate following here, and I start school tomorrow earlier than I usually wake up. I guess I'll have to followup tomorrow. | | southernyankee | | (reply to Matty) posted 26-Aug-2008 9:45am |
> religously...she's making Olympic plans for when she's about 18.
> In trying out for the county team at the Y, she swept (all strokes)
> the girl who had beaten her in the backstroke at the county meet.
> It made her a little cocky..."I can beat anybody I want to if I work
> hard, Daddy." So, I have my work cut out for me in instilling good
> values.
>
Just so long she doesn't pull a Bolt on her competitors (reference to Bolt, the Jamacan runner, when he was clowning around in the qualifying round).
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