Do you think I played this hand well?
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| 9 | I have no clue | | 6 | Not another poker survey by "gambler" | | 4 | Yes | | 2 | Other | | 0 | No |
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| llamamama | | posted 18-Jul-2008 7:24pm |
I have no idea..but I'm going to say, "Yes, you played that amazingly. I couldn't have done better unless I blindly guessed." | bill    | | posted 18-Jul-2008 9:56pm |
Sure, you were patient after flopping an ace-high flush. You got kind of lucky with the QQ guy, hard for him to drop especially after the river came in. Still, it would have been better if you got more people at the table to stay in. But QQ pushed them out. Really, I think QQ didn't play so well. The flush potential was right there with the flop. QQ is not very strong to stay in with. | gambler   | | posted 18-Jul-2008 10:38pm |
Not another poker survey by "gambler" *smile* | | gambler | | (reply to bill) posted 18-Jul-2008 10:41pm |
> Sure, you were patient after flopping an ace-high
> flush. You got kind of lucky with the QQ guy,
> hard for him to drop especially after the river
> came in. Still, it would have been better if
> you got more people at the table to stay in.
> But QQ pushed them out. Really, I think QQ didn't
> play so well. The flush potential was right there
> with the flop. QQ is not very strong to stay
> in with.
well, My poker forum people were saying that I should have tried to get the money in on the flop and the only reason he gave me all his money is that he rivered a Q.
I never believe a player has a flush if 3 to a suit flop as its so rare ....the odds believe it or not are 118-1 to flop a flush...so if you have two of one suit in your hand (obviously) 117 times you wont flop one
Regards David
| | Pomeranian | | posted 19-Jul-2008 6:59am |
I dunno man, I agree with whatever Kenny Rogers would say about your play vis-a-vis "The Gambler". | | bill | | (reply to gambler) posted 19-Jul-2008 7:01am |
Yeah, I kind of agree with your poker forum people. Though, you still doubled your money, which is nothing to sneeze at. If you went all in or just bet too high at the flop, you might have made a lot less. You did well.
Wow, I would have thought a flush is more likely with a 3 of a suit flop than 118-1. I guess part of what should have worried QQ is that you kept betting and staying in, though. When someone goes all in and there's flush potential out there, you have to worry about it. I know when I played, I was always looking for a flush and would come on strong on the last bet when I got one. They tricky thing with a flush and holdem is when there are 4 of a suit showing, then the high suited card matters. So, having the ace like you had, is a great position to be in. Especially, if someone has the suited K. The whole situation can be good for bluffing too, but also dangerous.
Ah... now, I want to play too. Fun stuff. | | gambler | | (reply to bill) posted 19-Jul-2008 9:27am |
I forgot to mention........that their argument was that if a 4th Diamond or A came on the turn it would kill the action (and in fact an A did and he checked)
when there are 4 of a suit showing, then the high suited card matters. So, having the ace like you had, is a great position to be in........ not really, as he is not gonna give me his stack-off without holding he A, yea I win the hand , but............ | | bill | | (reply to gambler) posted 19-Jul-2008 9:33am |
That's a good point about the A at the turn... Really, I think the QQ player was taking some serious risks. He must have thought you were bluffing just had a pair of aces... | Enheduanna  | | posted 19-Jul-2008 1:39pm |
Wow, that was a hell of a hand! I think you played it well. Your betting looked a little conservative to me--I was a little surprised you just checked after the turn, but I guess you didn't want to scare him off. And you ended up getting about as much money out of him as you could, since you went all in at the end. Nice hand! | cloudhugger  | | posted 19-Jul-2008 2:50pm |
I'm not going to click on that link and answer anyway.
I think you playedbthat hand brilliantly!! You are "The Gambler" my man!
gee I hope this isn't a test. | | Cain | | posted 19-Jul-2008 3:32pm |
No idea. Did you? | | gambler |
Thanks............. Now that Rockman is not here, its really only Bill who shows any kind of interest or understanding ..........*sigh* | | Enheduanna | | (reply to gambler) posted 19-Jul-2008 9:13pm |
Yeah, I used to play a little with some friends, but I've never been good at the strategy. I didn't think of the difference the ace made on the turn. | Kristal_Rose  | | (reply to gambler) posted 20-Jul-2008 5:08am |
It was interesting to discover their was more to poker than I'd imagined, but since I don't intend to learn it (rare I don't attempt to learn everything possible), I was considering making this my first hidden survey in years. I figure it will die in due time or have something of novel interest though if it keeps going. | Melf  |
Happy 9 year anniversary on the website thing  | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 20-Jul-2008 5:11am |
What, where, here? | | Melf |
Yes. You have a little icon next to your avatar. | | Melf |
Or it's your ninth birthday. | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 20-Jul-2008 5:15am |
Ah, indeed. Neat. I created my own website around the same time, and need to overhaul it. That could be a months work. | | Melf |
What kind of website is it? | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 20-Jul-2008 5:47am |
Says anniverasry. Perhaps I've been married nine years, in which case I wish I'd been notified. Perhaps it's something that only happens in my sleep. | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 20-Jul-2008 5:50am |
http://www.ereiam.com
Tarot art, writings from here on politics and spirituality, travel photos, and in recent years, just the music from my Lonely Monster album.
The two best pages are probably 'How the cards were made' in the advanced tarot section, and the Jenner trip photos in the Life section, aside from the mp3 songlist. | | gambler |
It was interesting to discover their was more to poker than I'd imagined,.......... OMG yes, couple of things that make it a great game is you do NOT have to have the best hand to win AND unlike any other sport/game, on any given day with just the right amount of luck and timing you can beat the Very best players in the world..... you could never do that in say "Golf" against Tiger Woods or Tennis against Federer
Regards David | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to gambler) posted 20-Jul-2008 6:01pm |
I'm not a poker player, but I think I knew even at age seven that you didn't need the best hand, just a bluff and good poker face to get others to fold, or did you mean something else? Blackjack was my game, and I never got a chance to play in a casino. As a teen in the Bahamas though, I hit the slot jackpot on my third quarter. Bells and whistles were going off, while I stuffed my t-shirt with pounds of quarters and said "Yeah, I'm going, I'm going" to whomever I felt tapping on my shoulder.
I could somewhat say the same about Monopoly; You can know the return on investment at each rental level and the landing frequency for each property and still get beat by a child with lucky dice.
Bidding on eBay can get addictive as it can be even more complex and strategic, scanning other auctions to observe the bidding patterns and tastes of your competitors in the context of current offerings. ..and then there's the speculating what inventory will increase most dramatically in price. The Viewmaster Reels I've bought now go for quaduple the price. I have an eye for upcoming cost trends in things like synthesizers and lapidary stones too. Unfortunately I don't have much at all to invest. For instance there was a 20 lb. bucket of Tiffany Bertrandite stones fo $200 I wished I could afford which now go for $200 per palm sized slice. It's mostly about discerning what is most exquisite and rare before others do, upon which a game of musical chairs ensues. | | gambler |
Interesting.......... I mean for the most part I know all the odds on hands, equity.... probability etc But you have these bad swings  I saw a hand a couple of weeks ago:
Two players were all-in Preflop with One had AA the other had KK (the odds of being dealt either is 220-1) the community cards came KKQAA
so one guy had four Aces, the other four kings......... I cannot begin to work out the odds of that? actually with one card to come the guy with AA had something like a 2% chance of winning.
actually I didn't realise ebay was that intense?
Regards David | | Matty | | posted 21-Jul-2008 8:37am |
no clue | | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to gambler) posted 21-Jul-2008 2:09pm |
As with poker I imagine, you can be involved in eBay and be blissfully ignorant about the environment, market, vendor tactics, and competitive bidder strategies, but the more you figure out, there's still something deeper to realize in that chess game, which includes strategy, odds, nd puttng up a front. It's literally a micro stock market (when bidding for resale inventory)(or just cutting your purchase costs). Seasons, trends, buyer awareness, emergence of alternative inventory - all affect the environment.
Twice I did two card tarot readings for myself and got the Fool and the Universe. That's the tarot language equivalent of the Jesus quote "I am the alpha and the omega" - about a 6.7 billion (coincidentally close to the world's population) to one chance of getting that reading.
Twenty years ago I invented a new form of math I call 'combinatorial math'. It's like a tiered calculus for discerning patterns in odds of combinations from pools, for instance how many ways there are to hold down four keys on a keyboard. It relies on derivatives of a sumnatorial function like the factorial function, and covers some different situations than traditional statistics.
One thing I like to point out to those using representative observed statistics (like following stock trends), that within the scope of eternity, even 15 billion years of the law of gravity may have been just a momentary fluke of chaos which could end tomorrow. Even when the laws are clearly known, as with the flipping of a coin (50/50 chance), within the scope of eternity (the only time span a coin knows), it's rather likely that a coin will come up heads 70 trillion times in a row from time to time. That aspect of odds is something that statistics overlooks as far as I know, which implies everyone is operating on chance or destiny far more than they realize. | | gambler |
........ Wow, I read an interesting book the other day (fiction) called improbable about a guy who could somehow adjust probability mentioned alot of stuff like: Blaise pascal, Newton and how nothing is random, butterfly effects...it went a little over my head (as did your post) but interesting nevertheless.
There is a maths teacher on our poker forum who is always blinding me with probabilities and poker hands etc
Regards David
| | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to gambler) posted 22-Jul-2008 8:34am |
This came up again in conversation this aftenoon. Unfortunately the way DNA matching evidence is used, it too is 'odds' which always means any result is possible.
If you believe everything is the result of electron collisions, and atomic particles have specific laws of movement, and thought is a bio-physical process, then indeed, our every thought for eternity was predestined at the time of the big bang. The other options are that physics is random or a divine force alters paths of particles. If we have free-will, it can only be because part of our mind does not lie on the physical plane at all, but is in contact with the divine force which affects the flow of matter. That the big-bang itself contained the upcoming pattern for all our history and future makes it just as easy to believe that matter is now guided by spirit.
One thing I was going to bring up in that conversation on DNA, but turned out to already be mentioned in the article is the birthday paradox. Did you know that if you have 23 or more people in the same room, the odds are greater than 50% that two of them will have the same day of year birthdate?
If you understood what I was saying about the odds when flipping a coin through eternity, and pass it on, you could pretty much pull the security carpet out from under your math teacher's feet. That anything with odds ever resembled statistical theory has been a miracle of chance or divinity, because within the scope of infinity, anything we could measure has been a relatively infinitely small sample size, like flipping a coin ONCE, and expecting that to resemble all future flips.
Along the same lines of thought, if atoms keep colliding for eternity, eventually every universe that can exist (flying purple squid, square planets) will exist. BTW, unless we get new physics, the big-collision is eventually happening too. Eventually the absolutely minute pull of gravity from the universe's center of gravity will overtake the momentum of expansion, and everything will fly back together at an exponentially accelerating pace. BOOM. StephenHawkings is aware of this. I'm surprised other scientists aren't working on models yet to see if big-bangs can form from big-collisions. | | gambler |
If you understood what I was saying about the odds when flipping a coin through eternity, and pass it on, you could pretty much pull the security carpet out from under your math teacher's feet. That anything with odds ever resembled statistical theory has been a miracle of chance or divinity, because within the scope of infinity, anything we could measure has been a relatively infinitely small sample size, like flipping a coin ONCE, and expecting that to resemble all future flips.
To a point, I guess In poker we have a saying "Long Term" meaning, I will play a hand and my opponent will have only 2 cards remaining in the deck that can beat me (this happened last night) and he catches one of those cards...Dam!!!!
My poker buddies say, well played because long term you will always win in this similar scenario.......... but how long is long term? Statiscally speaking I played it right and still lost.
To be fair, I have checked my poker database and Probability states that the odds of being dealt AA is 220-1 , I checked its about right this is over 100,000 hands of poker I have played
Regards David
| | Kristal_Rose | | (reply to gambler) posted 22-Jul-2008 9:32am |
That's just it, there's no such thing as long-term. The longer you play, the greater the chances of resembling odds. Relative to shorter play, that sounds good, but it's not relative to shorter play, it's relative to infinity. Play for a zillion years and you haven't yet begun to gather any sizeable portion of, or even made a dent in, the infinity over which things will eventually average out.
If long term were relative to short term, that would imply that we willed an end to eternity, and called that our long term. We can clearly see we aren't such gods though. We can claim eternity ends after two coin flips, and yet I bet not everyone who does so will see a 50/50 heads-tails result (one of each) when 'time ends'.
I have all sorts of mathematical insights about things like relative infinities, rates of infinties, math with portional infinities... - all useful stuff, and intuitively obvious to me, yet I see no math based on such concepts, which leads me to believe that even mathematicians are generally lacking a properly abstract mind to work with concepts of infinity, which would explain the oversighted shortcomings of statistics as well. I'm sure Newton and Einstein could have followed my theories like kindergarten talk, but the more I read scientific papers and watch science programs, though I see logical intelligent followers developing works, the more I realize I'm not seeing truly intelligent creative scientists amongst them of the sort like Einstein and Newton. | | docgbrown | | posted 25-Jul-2008 4:33am |
Don't do gambling | | JessicaWoman99 | | posted 25-Jul-2008 2:50pm |
I have no clue gambler | | southernyankee | | posted 27-Jul-2008 12:19pm |
I think so. You could have gotten more but no way you could have prediected that ace to be there.
For some reason, I've kept thinking you have the best cards possible because forgot you weren't playing blackjack.
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