| User | Comment |
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romkey    |
I would; I don't think that would bother me. I'd be very curious to see the variations in the results. And so far my DNA seems pretty good... the next 30 years or so will really be the test of how it fares. |
bill  |
The whole idea doesn't make much sense. Why suddenly switch to using a small gene pool? Why my genes (I got some flaws)?
By, whatever, that can have my DNA. It would be interesting to see what little mes would turn out like. Especially, if I didn't have to deal with it. |
Melf   | | posted 8-Jul-2008 10:07am |
On the one hand this goes against all my support for VHEMT, on the other I'd love to see what a race partially derived from a semi-suicidal misanthrope would be like. |
Galomorro  | | posted 8-Jul-2008 11:15am |
I wouldn't think they'd want to, but if they really wanted someone who was "individually unique" ...  |
| Enheduanna | | posted 8-Jul-2008 11:36am |
I don't know. I would have to think about it. |
| Crayons |
If they make me feel special by choosing me they can do whatever they want. |
| Biggles |
With our current abilities with cloning. absolutely not. In some hypothetical future where we've worked out how to do it without creating 10 deformed, genetically diseased infants for every "success", maybe. I'm not convinced that cloning (even with 5000 different "originals") is a good idea for our future - what's wrong with the tried and tested reproduction with genetic mixing that's actually allowed us to get this far without being wiped out? I think cloning has a lot of potential in a lot of different areas, but I wouldn't want to pin the future of the human race on it. |
| LJD |
No |
| Kristal_Rose |
Sure. I thnk I'm a great candidate.
I'm tempted to say wait till I die first, but I'd be too curious about how it works out. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Biggles) posted 8-Jul-2008 6:04pm |
You're missing the point of the question, which is would you be comfortable filling the nation with (healthy) clones of yourself.
Technically I'd consider the notion the lamest suicidal idea the planet ever came up with. If nothing else, it's a move to make a museum of ourselves. Even on a new planet, I think intuitive selective breeding is the way to go. People too depressed to mate probably don't belong there. |
| labjog |
Rather a disturbing question, with that said I would be interested to see how "I" would turn out in a better, more supportive enviroment. I often think I could have turned out so much better if I hadn't let life kick my ass. |
| FauxLo |
 Only if the parents meet certain personal requirements. |
| they | | posted 8-Jul-2008 11:00pm |
No. |
| they | | (reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 8-Jul-2008 11:01pm |
KR: This survey is awesome. The results are fascinating, as well. 6-6 so far. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to they) posted 9-Jul-2008 7:03am |
I figured it would be. It's hard to come up with a survey these days which gets deep to someone's core that people are divided on. I figure self-esteem is the primary issue, then ego at a soul level. Even someone who thinks themself ideal may not want to compete with their own clones for identity. ..or they could consider it just plain wrong, or consider it their duty to add their unique contribution. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 9-Jul-2008 7:09am |
What is VHEMT? |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to FauxLo) posted 9-Jul-2008 7:18am |
So you would consider them an extension of yourself or your children then?
This implies genes matter to you as regards parenting more than whom you are directly raising (like adopted kids)?
Or would it be more like not letting the Nazis have have some great thing you invented?
I'm surprised no one voted for 'no genetic modification', like versions which can't feel pain so they can be assigned dangerous jobs, or a lower IQ so they don't question their role. |
| Biggles |
I saw the point and chose to side-step it with a dose of realism!
To address the question more directly, I suppose that I think we could do a lot worse when choosing people to clone than to choose me, but we could probably do better too. Presumably we would want a range of clone types - you'd need labourer clones, manually dextrous clones, book-smart clones, and so on. I'd probably fall most comfortably into the book-smart category, but if so, there are millions of people who are much stronger contenders in that category than me...so I'd probably actually be selected (if I were) to provide offspring intended to be generic office/science workers. I think it would be difficult to see people genetically identical to myself miss out on the kinds of opportunities that I have had, because there were clones of people who deserved them more. I'd also be concerned that they were going to miss out on some of the key things in life - presumably they wouldn't be allowed to look for a partner or have children in the usual way. In a lot of ways, they would feel like my children and such a limited life isn't what I would want for them. |
| Melf |
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| Cain |
Nope, My DNA is rubbish and I feel a faint horror on behalf of my daughter that's she's half me.
I would never offer myself for the greater human good. |
| Cain |
Good survey by the way! |
LindaH  |
Yes. There needs to be more people like me around. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Biggles) posted 9-Jul-2008 6:55pm |
So your angle is objective concern for humanity. Ah no, you do take their lives personally.
Everyone seems to automatically compare the opportunities their clones might have to what they had.
Preventing that limted life is somewhat I feel for humanity in general as I dream up alternatives to our current path. Unfortunately efficient integration is the only way to handle a planet of 12 trillion people.
It just occurs to me that as easily as colonising other planets, we could probably build saturn rings here full of green-house parks. My prefernce is underground networks and ocean spheres, with the whole planet continental surface as agriculture, cross-continental migratory animal belts, international parks, and historical pilgrimage monuments.
Once people began relating to the sea though, we'd probably move biotech towards evolving to become dolphins. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Melf) posted 9-Jul-2008 6:58pm |
Interesting. I stuck with cutting my plumbing after replacing myself. |
| southernyankee |
Only if the parents (and their society) meet physical and philosophical requirements, eg: no utopian cults, no VERY religious upbringin, no nutcase leftwings or rightwingers, no arranged marriages or other backward 3rd world ideas, no mass poverty, among others. I wouldn't want my clone to live in such a condition nor would I want to give material support to something I didn't like. |
kcthedog  | | posted 9-Jul-2008 11:41pm |
Sure, go ahead
Why not? If I had an issue with genetic cloning and I do, I would be fooling myself to think my humble protest could stop it from taking place. So yea, if someone’s genes are gonna create the ‘master race’ why not mine? |
| Biggles |
> So your angle is objective concern for humanity. Ah no, you do take
> their lives personally.
I have both objective and subjective objections. This is so much of a hypothetical question at the moment, that the objective ones are certainly more important to me than the subjective ones.
> Everyone seems to automatically compare the opportunities their clones
> might have to what they had.
Does that seem unreasonable to you? It seems unlikely that they would have greater opportunities and it is natural that people would want the best for beings that they share so much genetic identity with. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Biggles) posted 12-Jul-2008 12:59am |
I bring it up because I don't really know the extent to which people relate to biological ties. I'm surprised to hear of step parents which show favoritism to their blood children. I see the world as one biological family, and 'love the one you're with' as the appropriate modus operandi, although I do also honor my ancestral roots, taking some pride in my families traditional way of doing things and values. I'm not sure I consider even that biological as much as cultural though. In many respects I've put my own children on the par with service to the rest of society, where any degree of my loving educational devotion to my kids is beacuse that's how our society is configured. It's not quite my job to care for local children and expect neighbors of my distant children to care for them. I exxagerate a bit, but it's still an operating premise of mine to totally dispense with blood tie preerences. Communal child raising systems like the Kibbutzes of Israel make perfect sense to me. |
| Iseult | | posted 16-Jul-2008 12:40am |
No.
And no, I wouldn't accept to live in this sort of society. I'd either pull a super-hero-saved-the-day-from-faschist/oppressive/dumb-government or live on the fringes of society, eat bug, and read Shakespeare. |
| FauxLo |
I chose my answer based on the thought that I would like to see how differently I might turn out based solely on my upbringing.
A clone of me should be me in every aspect, theoretically. I simply wouldn't mind seeing the progress of my clone when raised in a setting that I find ideal for proper growth. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to FauxLo) posted 18-Jul-2008 7:41pm |
So in simpler terms, you would identify with your clone more than other people. |
| Melf | | (reply to FauxLo) posted 18-Jul-2008 8:10pm |
How to say this without sounding like a crazy?
Um. I've been going through loads of old surveys recently (I'm in August 2006 at the mo) and I'd just like to tell you that you are seriously cool.
That is all |
| moviesnob | | posted 22-Jul-2008 11:14am |
Wait until I die first. |
| FauxLo |
No. It has more to do with me than my clone. It's purely selfish and entertaining this notion makes me a hypocrite, as I could never condone bringing a new life into such a crappy world. But out of curiosity, and being the selfish person that I am, I'd love to know the life, out look on life, accomplishments and mindset in relation to the world around my clone. |
| FauxLo | | (reply to Melf) posted 25-Jul-2008 3:55pm |
Thanks! I think you're quite impressive yourself.  |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to FauxLo) posted 25-Jul-2008 6:08pm |
I would like to know that myself (about my clone, not yours). You could have your Kansas corn-farmer clone, your Chicago factory-woker clones, your aline Switzerland cuckoo-clock apprentice clone, your muslim terrorist clone, your South African bureaucrat clone, and your Amazon house-boat clone, some living as single children going to college, and others raised in big families and going to mass on Sundays.
If there truly were a 5000 person cloning program, I expect they'd be doing that, doing scientific studies on what meds and entertainment your clone requires to put up with life-style situtations without undergoing a nervous breakdown. "Hey, everytime we raise this particular clone on Warner Brothers cartoons, they grow up to quit work and write philosophy treatises. |
| FauxLo |
 Well said.  |
| Melf | | (reply to FauxLo) posted 25-Jul-2008 8:04pm |
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| cloudhugger |
I don't trust the government with my DNA. |
| Kristal_Rose |
But this year as an econnomic incentive they're giving everyone back prehensile tails. |
| cloudhugger |
oooooOOOooooo! |
