User	Comment
Galomorro	posted 28-Jun-2008 9:50pm   They're annoying if they go off-topic, but I don't mind controversial subjects.
Crayons	posted 28-Jun-2008 10:30pm   KILL THEM. KILL THEM ALL. I think we're talking about some different kinds of trolls. Anyone who uses bad grammar and says "U SUCKS LOLOLOL" or describes their excretions is no friend of mine.
kcthedog	posted 28-Jun-2008 11:25pm   I would think that in an open forum getting trolled is inevitable and expected. There are also many degrees of trolliness, I mean short irrelevant one liners interjected into conversation can be entertaining or amusing what I do not like is; mean and hateful comments relevant or not who’s sole purpose to reek havoc. I could be accused of trolling at times, but it is only my clumsy attempt to be charming or funny. Trolls know who they are (I mean real trolls) I think in some way they feel empowered buy the reaction they extract. I answered... No, I sometimes enjoy reading the arguments It is the truth, as long as I am not the brunt of the attack! I mean really! Who doesn’t like to watch a good mud fight? The only way to get de-trolled is to close the forum………I don’t think so! It is possible to de-fang a troll though; once identified, just freeze him out, when he (or she) fails to bait anyone in a reaction and is generally ignored, will go away to a different site. Good survey!
cloudhugger	posted 29-Jun-2008 2:04am   Annoying.
Melf	posted 29-Jun-2008 3:01am   They're annoying, but I don't care much beyond that. I don't think administrators should be obliged to block them from the website.
bill	posted 29-Jun-2008 6:20am   It depends... some trolls are amusing, some are not.
bill	posted 29-Jun-2008 6:21am   p.s. Richard47 lives.
Matty	(reply to bill) posted 29-Jun-2008 9:13am   Okay, I wasn't sure what ultimately happened. Does his name still evoke fear at this site like the bogeyman used to do for children?
they	posted 29-Jun-2008 10:12am   I have no opinion.
bill	(reply to Matty) posted 29-Jun-2008 11:01am   It's hard to say for sure, but I think mostly "no". Kate or "Wolf" is far more evil/hated.
Enheduanna	posted 29-Jun-2008 12:42pm   Tar and feather 'em.
LindaH	posted 29-Jun-2008 12:54pm   Annoying sometimes, especially if they target particular people. If there's no targeting going on, only off-topic controversial comments, then I find it amusing.
Pomeranian	posted 29-Jun-2008 1:06pm   http://yvettesbridalformal.com/troll.html
southernyankee	posted 29-Jun-2008 1:07pm   Trolls and trolling are annoying (slightly). Last time I've trolled was like when I was 18 / 19 (?). Not counting bow tie x that is. Trolling isn't anything more than the high tech version of crank phone calls. Nothing more, nothing less. Or as I always used to say, "we musten ridden das trollen."
JessicaWoman99	posted 29-Jun-2008 1:29pm   Trolls are a big pain and they are most annoying and they are obnoxous butt brains
Matty	(reply to bill) posted 29-Jun-2008 3:06pm   Wow, I'm kinda surprised at that. She never really bothered me. I had one or two minor skirmishes with her, but they were over pretty quickly. Things must have changed considerably since I was here last.
Irene007	posted 29-Jun-2008 4:11pm   I like the banter of trolls and the idiotic answers from people who get bent out of shape by their taunts...
jettles	(reply to southernyankee) posted 29-Jun-2008 5:50pm   do you have johnny walker red in a box??
Melf	(reply to bill) posted 29-Jun-2008 6:30pm   He popped up in forum a few times last week.
bill	(reply to Melf) posted 29-Jun-2008 7:43pm   I know... I got a private reply from him... and an email or two
moviesnob	posted 30-Jun-2008 12:14pm   I don't believe the most notorious troll was Richard. I don't think a person should have been singled out in the explanation of this survey, as it seems the only reason you made it was to put that person in the "public" SC eye.
Matty	(reply to moviesnob) posted 30-Jun-2008 1:09pm   Think what you like, but I can assure the last time I was here, simply mentioning the name Richard caused a reaction. In fact, there was even a witch hunt in both Forum and Chat trying to discern which users were really aliases for Richard. However, since you don't believe me, ask Bill how Richard was viewed around that time or in years prior. Further, I have no argument with Richard whatsoever. After a particularly nasty forum debate, Richard actually wrote to me at my email address apologizing. We then had a brief, but reasonable discourse via email for a couple months after that. If you go back to some of the posts around early 2006, you'll discover that I was one of the lone proponents of his membership. Evidently however, you never checked or asked others that have been here for a while about events past. You simply rattled off your opinion accusing me of wanting to "out" Richard as the motivation for my survey. I don't appreciate your unsubstantiated accusations. Perhaps next time, you'll ask someone's intent before lambasting someone's motives in the "public eye."
moviesnob	(reply to Matty) posted 30-Jun-2008 1:31pm   I've heard enough about the past here at SC to stick with my previous opinion. And my opinion as to why you have Richard mentioned in the survey is just that - my opinion. I find it pretty funny that you're getting on me about not knowing the past of SC, when I've been around 4 yrs, and your user page shows you at 3. Remember, they're just words on an Internet forum from someone who's never met you and doesn't know you. No need to take it so personally!
Matty	(reply to moviesnob) posted 30-Jun-2008 1:47pm   Personally may be considered a relative term. But stating what my motives are is an ad-hominum opinion. The point still remains that you leveled an accusation without even asking me, so I cried foul. As far as your longevity versus mine...yay, you're the winner. However, the benefit of that experience did not give any insight as to how I view Richard or how Richard may view me, did it? Again, I would suggest that before you say something about someone that could paint that person in a negative light, you should pay him/her the courtesy of talking to him/her first. If you don't agree, then what's the whole point of your initially stated opinion?
moviesnob	(reply to Matty) posted 30-Jun-2008 1:48pm   I'm not really interested in an argument over this. My opinion still stands . . . as my opinion! Have a great day.
LindaH	(reply to moviesnob) posted 30-Jun-2008 2:08pm   Actually, since I have been here, the only notorious trolls I can think of are/were Richard and wolf. Richard was far more notorious.
Melf	(reply to bill) posted 30-Jun-2008 5:18pm   I think I could really like him if he didn't treat the site as such a... farce? Or something.
aquawolfy	posted 30-Jun-2008 5:37pm   I don't care. Sometimes the conversations get pretty interesting though....
bill	(reply to Matty) posted 2-Jul-2008 9:20am   It occurred to me that I should explain some of my past actions related to this issue. In some cases (e.g. Kate) multiple accounts were used and qualification and survey ratings were double (even triple) rated by the same person. I had clear evidence that Kate was single-handedly blocking surveys in qual by using multiple accounts. It got so bad, before I realized what she was doing that I changed how qual works. Most of those changes still exist today, actually. For example, qualifiers can't see other's votes. It was quite remarkable how much she was able to affect qual. It caused a fair bit of grief. I banned her, but she kept coming back with new identities/accounts. I missed some, I think. But, eventually, I thought I'd change tactics and let her back as herself, as long as she just used one account. This seemed to work for a couple months, but then I caught her using more than one account again. It was really kind of unbelievable that she would do that, pathological. So, I banned her again. I think at this point, I have better tools in place to catch her. I delete a new Kate account on average about once a week, even within the last week and this has continued for months. Given the wording of your survey, perhaps Kate isn't quite a troll, and I'd have to agree. She actually seemed to want to be friendly with people here. But, with the other hand, she was doing underhanded manipulations of the system. The other big one was Richard47. He's had a number of accounts/identities here. Really, I have to give him some credit because with a few of them he really seemed to pull off the new identity well with very consistent patterns. I guess he has some background in acting, so perhaps it was a kind of exercise. And, really, it doesn't even seem so bad. But, another aspect of Richard was the way he would show a keen interest in other member's lives, troubles, etc. From what I could tell, he managed to get a lot of people to open up to him. He has a background and interest in psychology as well. Again, this isn't such a bad thing by itself. But, combined with the false identities it just seemed disturbing. Some surveys have a way of getting people to open up, exposing themselves. People in that state are a bit vulnerable and Richard seemed to be exploiting that but with a falseness that seemed potentially harmful. I'll admit this is still somewhat weak for an argument, but that was my state of mind anyway. After years of accounts and deletions, I gave Richard a similar chance to come back as himself. He took it and has been back, though hasn't been around so much recently. And, as far as I know, hasn't used other accounts since. There have been some other briefer accounts by others that I banned for just being really annoying... nothing recent, though, so it's hard to give details. But, imagine someone coming to the site and then just making a series of extremely offensive replies (i.e. "I want to rape you in the anus, chicken") to many of the regular members. That's sort of classic trolling, I guess. I think there are other kinds of trolls which we tolerate. Frostbrand has been a troll for sure at times. I and others will sometimes make sarcastic remarks and no take surveys seriously. This is a kind of trolling. There are many shades of gray. Actually, before you made this survey I had just been thinking about what makes someone a troll and I was thinking of trying to make a survey about it. Though, it's always hard to word something like that.
Matty	(reply to bill) posted 2-Jul-2008 9:44am   Well, Bill, I must thank you for your commentary, and I must say that I never considered trolling from a site administrator’s perspective. Given your perspective, I admit that many of my past comments were troll-like as well. I think you’ll find that won’t be the case with me in the future, though. My career change has had many cathartic effects on me. For sure, I am still opinionated, and I am still willing to do some bitter business if it’s required of me. But, I am less excitable and less prone to conflict. At any rate, I am glad you still welcome me at your site. Cheers, Matthew
bill	(reply to Matty) posted 2-Jul-2008 10:00am   I've recently come to the conclusion (again) that arguing with people online is really pretty pointless. Though, trolling and arguing aren't the same thing.
bill	(reply to Matty) posted 2-Jul-2008 10:00am   What's the new job?
Matty	(reply to bill) posted 2-Jul-2008 10:10am   I still work for the Federal government; I am not giving up my pension for anything. But I now work for an entitlement program (previously I was in the agri/bio anti terrorist program under Homeland Security; it was a joint effort with the SS, the company, D Agriculture, the FBI, ATF, HHS, and some others). I am now a fraud investigator/claims examiner for the Office of Workers Compensation Programs under the Department of Labor. Essentially, I check into whether or not people are legitimately injured and thereby, justly receiving wage-loss compensation, or lazy loafers defrauding the American people. I like this job a lot more.
bill	(reply to Matty) posted 2-Jul-2008 10:39am   Cool! I have to say that I really appreciate what you're doing. Defrauders suck! Keep up the good fight!

 
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