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dab   | | posted 12-Jun-2008 10:08am |
In itself, I care only so-so. But I care a great deal how it effects the rest of the economy. |
Galomorro   | | posted 12-Jun-2008 11:06am |
Don't care at all since I take public transportation and don't drive. |
| Jody | | posted 12-Jun-2008 11:33am |
I care more about the cost of heating oil than of gas. |
Enheduanna  | | posted 12-Jun-2008 11:50am |
3 or so. I kind of care, although I'm also happy that it costs more because that seems to be the only thing that is going to make people drive less and seriously pursue finding alternate sources of energy. |
| icurok | | posted 12-Jun-2008 12:53pm |
I care because it's an outgoing. Last week I hit the £50/tank limit for the first time. The price of diesel has gone up by 20% in the last 9 months. It's currently $9.27/gallon here.
It's a good job I moved closer to work last year or I'd be in serious trouble. |
moviesnob  | | posted 12-Jun-2008 12:55pm |
2. It affects me quite a bit. |
Iseult  | | posted 12-Jun-2008 1:20pm |
In a way, I think it's a good thing. People are too wasteful and careless and increased gas prices might make them realize their behaviour.
However, currently, our economy is not ready for it, and it will had bad influence on everything. |
| llamamama | | posted 12-Jun-2008 1:43pm |
I care because I sometimes buy my gas..but I feel bad when the price gets really high and my parents buy it..But I'm not like, freaking out about it because there are still some convieniently located places with cheap gas..I'll start really worrying when it's $4.00 everywhere..(I haven't actually seen $4.00 anywhere.) |
| cerealkiller | | posted 12-Jun-2008 1:47pm |
It's a very big deal. I spend over $150 a week now on gas. One vehicle gets 23 mpg on the highway and the other 21. Can't get rid of either since I owe more than they are worth. It's getting scary. |
| cerealkiller | | (reply to llamamama) posted 12-Jun-2008 1:49pm |
> I care because I sometimes buy my gas..but I feel
> bad when the price gets really high and my parents
> buy it..But I'm not like, freaking out about it
> because there are still some convieniently located
> places with cheap gas..I'll start really worrying
> when it's $4.00 everywhere..(I haven't actually
> seen $4.00 anywhere.)
Lucky you aren't here. Cheapest I can find gas is $4.49 a gallon. Most "name brand" stations are $4.61. Diesel is hovering just under $5.00 a gallon.
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| llamamama |
The cheapest gas here is $3.82 a gallon..most expensive is $3.99
Diesel is cheapest at $4.44 and most expensive at $4.99
I'm not sure what my mpg is..but I haven't bought gas in at least 2 weeks, and I'm only just now at a half tank..Granted I only really drive to school and back..but that's still 5 miles/15 minutes both ways.. |
| Danger | | posted 12-Jun-2008 2:39pm |
About a four. They make me mad, but I buy it anyways. |
| LindaH | | posted 12-Jun-2008 2:52pm |
Probably a 4. I care a little bit, because I drive. I don't care much more than a little bit, because I don't drive that much, and the driving I do is mostly necessary. There comes a point where you can't drive "less" than you already do, because you still MUST go to the store, to the bank, to the doctor, etc. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 12-Jun-2008 3:20pm |
5 I do not really care about the price of gas right now and my little car does so well on a tank of gas |
| romkey | | posted 12-Jun-2008 4:35pm |
I'm quite concerned about it. I'm not as concerned about its direct impact on me, but the cost of gasoline and oil affects all levels of our society. More expensive gasoline means everything will be more expensive, and people who are barely getting by now will have an even more difficult time. |
| Cleo | | posted 12-Jun-2008 11:13pm |
A great deal!!
My gas goes up 10 cents every 2 days!!! 
Last month it was $3.69 at my local Shell Gas Station now it's $4.59
I live in (Riverside County) Murrieta California & commute 60 miles a day round trip to & from work in (San Deigo County)
I can relate to how CerialKiller feels........... it IS getting scary!!
The only good thing I got going for me, is that I have a Honda Accord which gets pretty decent milage when I'm not speeding TO work.
Pretty soon I'll have to get a part time job just so I can get to my first job. I USED to joke about this but, now it's becoming a reality.  |
| kcthedog | | posted 13-Jun-2008 2:30am |
1 + Daugh? (Did I spell it right?) The price of petrol (are you European?) is directly connected to my pocket book or “purse” as you Europeans say it.
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| kcthedog | | posted 13-Jun-2008 2:36am |
Hey! Why did you try to confuse me? Using low numbers to mean a lot and high numbers to mean a little! WTF!
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| Pomeranian | | posted 13-Jun-2008 3:09am |
sucka mc don't care |
| Kristal_Rose | | posted 13-Jun-2008 3:27am |
A gread deal, even though I don't own a car. US distibution and agriculture is based entirely on petroleum.
I just ordered more batteries and solar cells for my solar-steam bicycle moped conversion. I'll also be making a computer chip controlled aiming device for the parabolic solar trough canopy, so I can steam along and not just charge batteries with the steam engine during breaks using a larger inflatable parabola.
We need to be tearing out every third boulevard for agriculture and use the last of our oil for plastics, pumping water, and making steam power-plants. That we aren't doing more so already borders on national suicide. |
| Kristal_Rose |
Ah, so your survey wasn't hypothetical. I didn't think it was. Aren't you in the Bay Area? BART is great, and for hardly any extra on top of monthly BART fares, they offer an unlimited pass on all other mass transit of connecting counties.
There are probably people working in Murietta who don't live there. When they can't afford to commute there, a local job will open up, and likewise, you'll be opening up a job for someone living in San Diego. If I were you I'd start looking for work in Murietta now or move to San Diego.
If things get really bad, we'll start shipping with sailing ships again. The Germans have already created freighter ships powered by giant computer controlled kites. That means the cost of living will be cheaper in San Diego than Murietta, as groceries will inevitably start figuring distribution costs into their product soon.
We should be thinking about powering trains with those kites too. |
| Kristal_Rose |
That was wierd. Didn't mean to combine your posts like that. |
| judgescratch | | posted 13-Jun-2008 7:17am |
4 |
they  | | posted 13-Jun-2008 7:53am |
I think gas needs to cost a lot in order for us to open our minds to new forms of fuel. It just pisses me off that people are getting rich from it.
I don't drive to work(work at home), so I use less than a tank a month. The cost of gas only affects me because my SO drives to work daily.
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| Cleo |
I've been looking for a job in & around Murrieta, Temecula & within my 10 - 12 mile radius. There's practically nothing that pays what I get now. Elsinore & Perris has nothing to offer either. I may have to go to Saboba cause they're the only one's hiring right now. The only plus to that is the commute is all flat land driving, not like my current commute which is up & down a windy mountain. |
| Cleo |
It's okay ............. if it were anyone else than it WOULD be weird.  But, it's you so I totally understand |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Cleo) posted 13-Jun-2008 10:47pm |
The price of plastic mfgr'ing pellets went up 80% last year. Dow Chemical just jacked up it's industrial materials 20%. Figure gas will be $10/gal. by 2011. Sell your car and bike to a local job now while you can still get something for it. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Cleo) posted 13-Jun-2008 10:49pm |
I have phone messages and web pages which I wanted to delete/close do so without my physical intervention lately. |
| LJD | | posted 13-Jun-2008 11:09pm |
I'm a one (1). I think the fuel issue is one of greed, and the devaluing of the American dollar. I feel sick for young people with families, that are up against it. Plus those on a fixed income. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 13-Jun-2008 11:24pm |
The dollar was artificially overvalued ever since the end of the gold standard. Americans are simply just finding out what the average global citizen considers living within their means.
What recently pissed me off is realizing that the government has massive data on everything, and considering all the Soylent Green sort of 70's movies, must have seen this coming, and yet did nothing to prepare for it at all, like building solar generators, solar water desalination, metropolitain farming, electric freeway rails, etc. etc.
We knew in the 70's what needed done over the next 40 years, but did nothing. The only reason I can imagine is that the oil industry hoped to create desperate reliance. |
| LJD |
We have a depression....coming
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| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 14-Jun-2008 5:58am |
Yep. It's accelerating pretty quick these days. People doubted me a few years ago. This one is likely to be far worse, if not disastrous. The last one was merely economic. This one will also require a complete reengineering of our physical infrastructure.
If I could afford it, I'd move near a river with arable land. As is, my preparation is limited to making a solar power bicycle, hopefully as an example to others (and I have camping gear). I don't want to be in LA if our food or water gets cut off, or even too costly for most folks. I expect in the next decade prices will quadruple without any rise in wages. Already people are just making it on two jobs.
I do think we can pull through it though. It mostly just means reducing our efforts to food and water while building solar and wind power, then things will be back to normal. Really, it might be good for the collective soul of the planet to have a better physical sense of the planet and consider where our stuff comes from.
I'm guessing Obama will have us do something like the WPA, put people to work building the new infrastructure just as we once made the hydro-electric dams. Alas, the mood then was of modern advancements. This time it will be simple survival.
Or things could go wrong. Carter was the only who really tried to prevent the situation any, and he got flack for doing so. Cars consume exponentially more gas going 65mph than 55mph. Instead of listening to him we paved Dubai in gold and gave away our real jobs and imported our goods from Asia.
I was going to make a case for democrats which tend more towards sustaining society than global business, but that's not always true, the Clintons being a case in point. Kerry or Kucinich would have done well. I'm not sure that Obama is practical and realisitic enough to do the job at hand. McCain would kill us though, so that choice is clear unless one wants to throw away their vote on an independent to send a message. |
| LJD |
Kristal Rose, I suggest to people to store food and water. I'm planning and organizing a conference on this subject.
Yesterday, my husband bought a tank of gas for me...$74. This is outrageous. Only a few years ago, we bought the same gas, for the same car, for half the price. The enemy is trying to immobilize us.
I'm not a person that needs alot, very low maintenance. I fear for our future generations. I agree, from my understanding, this depression will make the last depression look like a cake walk. |
| cloudhugger | | posted 14-Jun-2008 11:02pm |
1 |
| pcasper59 | | posted 15-Jun-2008 11:22am |
It's really hurting our daily expenses and taking away from income. . |
| Gomezy3k | | posted 15-Jun-2008 11:26am |
Being on Disability and having limited money, I care a lot...not much I can do about it...but I do care a lot... Limiting driving is pretty much out since I live in a sprawled out city and public transportation sucks. You have to plan on adding 1 hour to the trip for every transfer and the CAT bus doesn't go most places I need to... Not to mention trying to carry much more than a sack of groceries or whatever on a bus sucks too... |
| cocosmith70 | | posted 15-Jun-2008 3:31pm |
I care a great deal....because I cannot go and visit my foster parents, and they are getting up in age, and I would like to go and visit them before something happens to them, they cannot talk to me anymore...(get my drift?) |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 19-Jun-2008 6:03am |
You can't store enough food and water to last years. If things get rough, either you have a sustainable garden and power, or you don't.
'The enemy is trying to immobilize us.' Give me a break. Even when horses were the main transport few had the resources to maintain a horse. Oil was a brief thing. Cars eat more hay or bio-fuel than horses. Those trillions we spent on war could have built a solar/wind infrastructure that would have maintained the status quo though, so essentially we bombed ourselves into the stone ages.
In the course of four years half of Europe died of the black plague, but society unquestionably sprung back up. Humanity is rather resilient. |
| Cleo |
Biking???? Not right now....................... TOOOOOOOOO HOT!!!! |
| Cleo |
Are you going to the Ho'olau'lea?? |
| LJD |
I know my Mormon friends store foods to last a year. We have a lot of planning to do. Yes, having a garden would be great...we do, We need generators, several things to save us. I'm hoping to have a conference on this subject soon. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Cleo) posted 20-Jun-2008 12:40am |
When's that? I missed last year. I miss a lot of stuff lately working, but I'd like to go. Maybe I can have my moped built by then. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 20-Jun-2008 1:03am |
There's some honor in what the Mormons do, but it's really only responsibly useful for earthquakes, floods, and hurricanes. If they were concerned about sustaining society, they should act to make society sustainable, not put their effort into preparing for the day it is not.
You need wind/solar generators. Gas generators won't help if a fuel shortage is the problem in the first place, and hoarding is just loathsome. Investing in a $5000 communal electric mini-van wouldn't be a bad plan if you had that wind/solar generator and a charger or batteries (that's where the expense is, batteries).
If it's hot there, an upgrade to LED light makes sense. The sooner you use it, the sooner you'll be cutting power own from 60w to 6w (preventing the problem), and the more readily you could operate on battery power if you had to.
Chances are we'll lift the environmental ban on off-shore drilling, which supposedly can sustain us another 10 years, so I'd mostly just invest in stuff which cuts down your power needs and reduces reliability on gas.
The big thing that really needs doing is pushing government to invest in sustainable infrastructure instead of just going for what's cheapest at the moment (which is still oil if you don't average over the years).
How did your last conference on banking, multinational corporatism, and such go? Did it happen? |
| LJD |
I organized a conference on the fuel crisis, NAFTA and the NAU. It's tomorrow, and it appears we'll have a good turnout. I enlisted some speakers on the subject. I'm trying to get people to create focus groups, in trying to take down NAFTA, and the NAU. Get involved.
I want to organize a conference on the Federal Reserve, discussing the economy, also on withholding taxes.
I want another one on survival, learning about guns, and training, teach about preserving foods. I have a few guys that really know their stuff. My aunt and uncle and cousins in MO, are well prepared on taking care of themselves. Know how to preserve their food, and know their guns....the girls, as well as the guys.
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| Zang | | posted 20-Jun-2008 5:12pm |
In a way I kind of hope that the price gets high enough that people start using private vehicles less and start making some serious changes in their lifestyles as far as transportation issues are concerned. The current situation is unsustainable. People need to give their heads a shake.
Bottom line: I don't care that much. I rated it a 4. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 21-Jun-2008 12:01am |
Sounds good. Way more realistic, concerned, and practical than raving about 'the enemy', identifying the real world enemies and doing something about them. I'm not happy about the immigration or guns parts, as neither of those are in the interest of humankind in general, but the rest of it is right on.
Perhaps someone amongst you is a database person, and can collect card or email surveys sent out to the community establishing peoples skills and volunteer roles, such that you have an instantly available alternative society if things go drastically wrong, and an interim networking structure to prevent things going wrong, get people back to sharing resources and collaborating on like minded projects.
Forums not too unlike SC are available for free on the internet, and have a better categorical, sub-categorical arrangement for threads suitable for project organization. You should set one up. - If you do, the better you organize the topics from the very start, the more useful the forum is. If it's well organized, any newcomer could browse the topics and learn all they need about NAFTA, and join a NAFTA group, or browse survival..energy..howTo..networking and hook up with others building steam solar generators and such. If you don't organize the forum well, it can't be researched as a research and organization tool later, and everyone must simply read each new post that arrives, likely to be scattered redundant postings.
The girls in my family know their guns too. More importantly most of my family has nature survival skills in spite of college and city living. |
| LJD |
The conference went well. The videos shown were well received, scared a few people, however…They were on the NAU/NAFTA. About the European Union, and what is in store for us, if we don‘t stop the NAU. If people only knew what rights they take for granted, will be lost with the NAU, they'd be scrambling to the streets, trying to stop it.. The speaker also discussed the fuel crisis for Americans. The speaker also talked on the situation in the middleeast.
We’re having another conference opened to the public, and showing the same videos…people should know. There is more there, than meets the eye.
Shortly we’re having the survival meeting on how and what to do through troubled times.. I think it is just good common sense.
Thank you Kristal Rose that’s a good idea you mentioned about the forums networking. We have a few guys that really know the survival information. It would be good, many people on the networking forums, probably have many good ideas. I’ll probably ask for your assistance in the near future on how to do the setup.
Thanks!.
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| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to LJD) posted 24-Jun-2008 8:10pm |
Glad to help. I'd have to do so anonymously though, as I expect your associations have some views I wouldn't want to be associated with. From the sounds of it, the good outweighs the bad though.
It is my opinion that people are much better off creating positive change than just protesting that which is not good, otherwise they just become more problem with the world themselves.
I spent much time thinking about activism forums. Here is one I created: http://purplemountains.proboards22.com/
(It's one of those free forums I mentioned). Already the forum structure was falling apart because I had to put recent events at the top folder level, not nested in an events folder, because people weren't signing up to browse folders of topics and get automatic thread updates. I had to make the thing more of an immediate advertisement than an efficient working tool for organizers and member activists.
From there I began work on an activist forum meant for persons of all political ideologies to find each other and collaborate online, for instance on things like hurricane Katrina relief. It takes a well structured flexible tool with good search tools to hook up a socialist with a car with a muralist in need of a ride to a protest, or to get economic reform artists to find like-minded religious artists.
Katrina was a huge mess. I had wished I had my forum working by then such that those with spare goods or services to offer could hook up with a network of people who could drive goods a 100 miles closer to where it was needed.
I've had to put that database forum project on hold, but have since written the database part towards other projects like my instrument software.
Anyhow I could help you set-up something simpler, like that PurpleMountains 'Coalition for World Peace' site I created.
The first thing I would need is a list of all possible subject matter, involved organizations, resource links, calendar events, geographic communities, and types of activities members might contribute. Well, I suppose I don't. Just what I listed there is a sufficient top-level structure, to which you and other members could add stuff later. The way they are set up, you give admin rights to branches of the forum. For instance regular members can't edit other posts or rearrange forums. The admin for your Alternative Energy threads would be able to edit/arrange/maintain only the threads in the Alternative Energy folder. It's really not anywhere as complicated as it sounds. I learned about creating such forums from my daughter when she was 14. The technical part is easy, mostly typing in names of threads, or selecting things from a list. The real art is the conceptual part of arranging content in a way useful to members.
They do involve some editorial maintenance these days. Advertising robots manage to break in as if they were registered members and post advertisements you'll need to delete. Forums also need an admin to police rules of social conduct. You should have a policy posted that all non-respectful derogatory posts will be deleted, and limit debates to areas which do not interfere with task-group goals of threads. Keeping forums orderly is like herding cats. |
| Cleo |
The 3rd weekend in July |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Cleo) posted 26-Jun-2008 12:56am |
I'll try to be ready then with a moped built. |
| Cleo |
Cool ....... I look forward to seeing you then.  |
