| User | Comment |
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Galomorro   | | posted 17-May-2008 11:24pm |
I think it's great and I'm gay. I have no plans for marriage myself nor do I know anyone who does, but the issue here is freedom and equality for everyone. And I'm proud that CA has finally seen the light -- it took 'em long enough and I hear it was rather close. North Americans are so puritanical still in many ways... |
| dilfreak | | posted 17-May-2008 11:28pm |
I disapprove very much. The legalization of gay marriage is evidence that this world is going to hell. |
southernyankee  | | posted 17-May-2008 11:43pm |
My opinion of Califorina has gone up slightly. From very low to low. They got this one right. |
| Frostbrand | | posted 18-May-2008 12:05am |
Good, especially seeing as the central arguments against gay marriage in Massacheusets have all fallen apart, i.e. the sky didn't fall in and it has I beleive the LOWEST divorce rate of any state in the union (Alabama has the highest IIRC; go fig).. |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 12:05am |
> I disapprove very much. The legalization of gay
> marriage is evidence that this world is going
> to hell.
And that statement is evidence that you're an idiot. |
| llamamama | | posted 18-May-2008 1:51am |
Yay
Seriously, it kind of upsets me that Virginia hasn't done it.
Kind of, but it doesn't keep me up at night. |
| icurok | | posted 18-May-2008 4:24am |
I's sooper, thanks for asking. |
bill   | | posted 18-May-2008 6:33am |
I think gay marriage should be legal.
Really, I think the government should just get out of the business of marriage altogether. |
Melf  | | posted 18-May-2008 7:17am |
Woo!
But if I lived in California and wanted to get married to another girl, I wouldn't do it (even over-looking what I have against marriage anayway). I wouldn't do it until gay marriage was approved in every state. |
| kirst | | posted 18-May-2008 8:34am |
It's positive...and I'm straight. |
| LJD | | posted 18-May-2008 8:53am |
Insane |
| romkey | | posted 18-May-2008 8:54am |
People should be entitled to equal rights and protection under the law, regardless of their sexual orientation. The California decision is a good thing. |
cloudhugger   | | posted 18-May-2008 10:18am |
I am not sure. Seems more of a novelty to me.
One or two states legalizing something that controversial is weak, so it doesn't mean that much to me. Hearing that one area makes something legal does not make me want to race over there and get married jumping on some really gay band wagon. It's just another piece of paper to put in the bottom of the birdcage when I get back home. Or a novelty item and I can print that up on my computer. bah
I was watching Ellen Degeneres and she publically announced her engagement on national TV. She will get married and it will be legal. That seems to me a huge  for the cause. The public opinion for Ellen is huge, and if they overturn the law a few years from now, they will have Hollywood all over it. They would have to seriously reconsider, there is a lot of force there.
I fully support it, but I don't want my name involved. If it was my state, I still wouldn't jump in. It makes me somewhat paranoid to have my name in legal writing that I am married to the same sex willingly and wantingly becasue it wouldn't surprise me if some righteous person in power decides to make it illegal again. Becasue they can. So there I am on a list, and same person of power decides it is a prisonable offense so I would be left with nothing. That is my paranoia, but it doesn't stop me from supporting those who choose to go through the legal process.
Until I see gay marriage completely accepted would I go through with it, and that will not happen for a long while.
And it sucks to be shunned. It really does. I make a living in a small town, and I assume most people know me and who I am, but once something is in public records, and knowing this area, it would be posted on the bulletin board at the bank or something just becasue someone here that does not know me has a burr up their ass. |
| romkey |
Aren't all bandwagons really gay? I hear old-timers saying "gay as a bandwagon!" all the time! |
| dab | | posted 18-May-2008 12:09pm |
"Equal protection under the law". It's not just the law, it's a good idea. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 18-May-2008 1:31pm |
Really this is just wierd and strange 2 men in love or 2 women getting married is wrong!
our society has gone to hell in a hand basket |
| Frostbrand |
Yes, and it's all becuase the gays. Crumbling infrasturuture, unchecked power, and illegal wars have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.  |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 1:40pm |
> I disapprove very much. The legalization of gay marriage is evidence
> that this world is going to hell.
This is really just strange and odd to see either 2 men or 2 women getting married it messes with my brain
this was never ever meant to be between same sex couples , oh has this world ever gone down the toilet
really fast and to hell in a hand basket it is yucky and sick |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> Yes, and it's all becuase the gays. Crumbling infrasturuture, unchecked
> power, and illegal wars have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
Well we could say the Supreme Courts , Judges and Lawyers approved this am I right? |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 18-May-2008 1:46pm |
This has been a long drawn out issue and it has caused much controversy and the states have fought this
tooth and nail and yes the gay population they do want this to be Legal Marriage just for them |
| Melf |
Pity you don't live over here. You and Richard Littlejohn would get on like a house on fire. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to Melf) posted 18-May-2008 2:39pm |
> Pity you don't live over here. You and Richard Littlejohn would get
> on like a house on fire.
Oh how I feel sorry for you |
| Melf |
Hmm? Why's that? |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to Melf) posted 18-May-2008 3:44pm |
> Hmm? Why's that?
Because I live over here |
| Melf |
Fair enough. |
| dilfreak |
And your statement is evidence that you are unable to constructively debate an issue. (IE calling me an idiot) |
| dilfreak |
Amen, it is grotesque and foul. It makes no sense. The world will continue to become more and more liberal which will eventually lead to the earth's self destruction. |
| Frostbrand |
Yes. Including soem Republican appointees. You see, some people put the rule of law ahead of religious ideology. You know, the principles our country was founded upon? |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 9:35pm |
> And your statement is evidence that you are unable
> to constructively debate an issue. (IE calling
> me an idiot)
Counterpoint: How can you constructively debate someone one with an irrational bigoted viewpoint. Fact is, I don't think you can come up with an argument against gay marriage that isn't based on bigotry and/or religious ideology, neither of which have any place in a discussion about a secular nation's laws. Hence, the idiot comment. |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 9:39pm |
> Amen, it is grotesque and foul. It makes no sense.
> The world will continue to become more and more
> liberal which will eventually lead to the earth's
> self destruction.
Another point in my favor. Niether you nor Jessica have any valid reasons to be opposed to gay marriage, any more than people like Strom Thurmond had for opposing multiracial marriages. My Dad has dated women of color before. He's dated women of many races in fact. now, he hasn't maried any of them, but he could've thanks to a 1964 Supreme Court decision (Loving v. Virginia). How is that any different than gay couples wnating to marry? They are consenting adults who are just as capapbale or incapable depending on the individual of having a monogamous relationship, and according to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (you know, that document that Right Wingers claim to love yet apparently have never read?) no American citizen should be denied the rights readily available to the majority based solely on their minoirty status. |
| Galomorro |
Good post! |
| LindaH |
It doesn't make sense to me that people can't file jointly on taxes, be put on their s/o's health insurance, or have power over their s/o's estate just because they are the same sex. Marriage or no marriage, that just doesn't make sense to me. The fact that people must be married to have those rights (but they can't be married if they are the same sex) creates an unfair denial of rights that everyone should have. |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to LindaH) posted 18-May-2008 10:02pm |
Exactly. |
| southernyankee |
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| dilfreak |
It's funny that you call me a bigot when you are the one attacking me because I believe something different then you. Which the very definition of bigotry is: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Your attacks are evidence that you have complete intolerance of the creeds, beliefs, and opinions of right-wing conservatives such as myself. It seems to me that when you assume I don't have any rational counterarguments against gay marriage you are in fact the bigot and the idiot.
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| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 11:20pm |
> Amen, it is grotesque and foul. It makes no sense. The world will
> continue to become more and more liberal which will eventually lead
> to the earth's self destruction.
Yes it makes no sense to me , to see 2 men kissing and making love just wierd and sick plus now 2 states
have legal same sex marriage and other states soon will probably follow
It will not surprise me to see other states legalize same sex marriage
Yes the earth will self destruct and that i do believe will end up happening or a giant metorite from space will
doom the earth |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees. You see, some people put
> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology. You know, the principles
> our country was founded upon?
Yes Frostbrand i could truly see this happening in my visions first goes Bush and the rest to follow after , and it
could be Senator Kennedy he is having heart problems and probably he will not last any longer
Yes the principles this country was founded upon by our founding fathers
are no longer because:
1.Gay marriage is here and here to stay
2.The war in Iraq
3.The George Bush scandal in Washington
4.The rising price of crude oil
5.Terrorism |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> One must appreciate the irony of a MTF claiming the weirdness of two
> people of the same sex hooking up. Garrisonson, is that you?
>
>
> Remember, there is no such thing as stupid statements. Just stupid
> people.
>
> http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/779/779211...
No you have it wrong , I am a normal woman and all that is behind me and for good no more pretending to be
a something that i am not
You live in Fantasy World seems to me and you live your life as somebody you are not , you love playing games
and pretending to be this and that which you are not
I have stopped playing make believe and being a person i never ever was in the first place , you need some
Counseling is what you need SY and you need a good Psychiatrist trust me on this
I now take my life very serious it is not a game no longer
You need to grow up and act like a man |
| dilfreak |
How is multiracial marriage different than gay marriage??? Isn't it obvious??!!? The penis goes into the vagina. The penis cannot go into the penis and likewise with the vagina. It's that simple. Men and women have different characteristics that are complementary to each other. Man cannot supplement woman's characteristics and woman cannot supplement man's characteristics.
BTW I just finished taking a college US Politics class where I read the constitution in its entirety and wrote papers about it. Guess what!! I'm still a right winger!! |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 11:41pm |
> It's funny that you call me a bigot when you are
> the one attacking me because I believe something
> different then you. Which the very definition
> of bigotry is: stubborn and complete intolerance
> of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs
> from one's own.
So, denouncing bigotry is bigotry? I'm sorry but that to me just sounds like an excuse.
> Your attacks are evidence that
> you have complete intolerance of the creeds, beliefs,
> and opinions of right-wing conservatives such
> as myself.
I find your statement ironic seeing as many of the cetnral core beleifs of the Right Wing are based on an intolerance of creeds (espeically Islam, Wicca, and various otehr non-Abrahamic religions), beliefs (i.e. that government can work when the right people are put in chagre of it, a secular court systems, etc.) and opinions (i.e. comparing people who don't like George Bush to terrorists, etc.).
> It seems to me that when you assume
> I don't have any rational counterarguments against
> gay marriage you are in fact the bigot and the
> idiot.
>
OK, prove me wrong; give me a rational argument that is NOT based on religious dogma. So far you haven't. And no, saying that two men kissing is "gross" doesn't count. Puss is gross, but you can't create a constitutional ban on it. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LindaH) posted 18-May-2008 11:42pm |
> It doesn't make sense to me that people can't file jointly on taxes,
> be put on their s/o's health insurance, or have power over their s/o's
> estate just because they are the same sex. Marriage or no marriage,
> that just doesn't make sense to me. The fact that people must
> be married to have those rights (but they can't be married if they
> are the same sex) creates an unfair denial of rights that everyone
> should have.
No this does not make any sense to me as well it is all to strange and beyond me
guess times are changing rapidly these days
My mom and dad are most likely shaking their heads in disbelief how can this be? |
| Frostbrand |
> |> Amen, it is grotesque and foul. It makes
> no sense. The world will
> |> continue to become more and more liberal
> which will eventually lead
> |> to the earth's self destruction.
>
> Yes it makes no sense to me , to see 2 men kissing
> and making love just wierd and sick plus now 2
> states
> have legal same sex marriage and other states
> soon will probably follow
> It will not surprise me to see other states legalize
> same sex marriage
> Yes the earth will self destruct and that i do
> believe will end up happening or a giant metorite
> from space will
> doom the earth
If you really think that, you are even more stupid than I thought you were. You are insane and a potential to yourself and others, and should be institutionalized. |
| Frostbrand |
> |> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees.
> You see, some people put
> |> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology.
> You know, the principles
> |> our country was founded upon?
>
> Yes Frostbrand i could truly see this happening
> in my visions first goes Bush and the rest to
> follow after , and it
> could be Senator Kennedy he is having heart problems
> and probably he will not last any longer
> Yes the principles this country was founded upon
> by our founding fathers
> are no longer because:
> 1.Gay marriage is here and here to stay
What? I know you're an idiot and all, but where exactly do the Founding Fathers say ANYTHING about gays?
> 2.The war in Iraq
> 3.The George Bush scandal in Washington
> 4.The rising price of crude oil
> 5.Terrorism
You're right on these, but not for the reasons you think so.
|
| Frostbrand | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 18-May-2008 11:50pm |
> How is multiracial marriage different than gay
> marriage??? Isn't it obvious??!!? The penis
> goes into the vagina. The penis cannot go into
> the penis and likewise with the vagina.
Which is NOT an argument against gay marriage.
> It's
> that simple. Men and women have different characteristics
> that are complementary to each other. Man cannot
> supplement woman's characteristics and woman cannot
> supplement man's characteristics.
>
Which is also not an argument against gay marriage.
> BTW I just finished taking a college US Politics
> class where I read the constitution in its entirety
> and wrote papers about it. Guess what!! I'm
> still a right winger!!
So obviously none of that stuff sunk in. You see, back in 1776, it was Right Wingers who didn't want us to break away from England. In 1939 it was Right Wingers who either didn't want us to get involved in WWII, or worse wanted us to ally with Hitler. It was Right Wingers who opposed the policies that allowed our returnign Veterans to get college educations when they came back from serving their country, and they still do to this day (i.e. McCain and otehrs opposing the new G.I. Bill). You have chosen a politicial beleif that has, to be genreous, 95 times out of 100 been on the wrong side of history. Right Wingers belived in "seperate but equal." Right Wingers believed in not letting women vote. Right Wingers supported slavery. Right Wingers opposed our own revolution. If your kind had gotten their way, this country wouldn't even exist, yet they try to claim a monopoly on patriotism, all the while doing nothing for their country except buying a bumper sticker and a flag lapel pin that was probably made in China. |
| Frostbrand |
> |> It doesn't make sense to me that people
> can't file jointly on taxes,
> |> be put on their s/o's health insurance,
> or have power over their s/o's
> |> estate just because they are the same sex.
> Marriage or no marriage,
> |> that just doesn't make sense to me. The
> fact that people must
> |> be married to have those rights (but they
> can't be married if they
> |> are the same sex) creates an unfair denial
> of rights that everyone
> |> should have.
>
> No this does not make any sense to me as well
> it is all to strange and beyond me
> guess times are changing rapidly these days
> My mom and dad are most likely shaking their heads
> in disbelief how can this be?
Are you aware that you just accidentally made an argument FOR something you oppose? |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees. You see, some people put
> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology. You know, the principles
> our country was founded upon?
They really want to give gays their rights they will fight this tooth and nail , and it will be all guns away" in the Courts
and it is going down down |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees.
> |> You see, some people put
> |> |> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology.
> |> You know, the principles
> |> |> our country was founded upon?
> |>
> |> Yes Frostbrand i could truly see this happening
> |> in my visions first goes Bush and the rest to
> |> follow after , and it
> |> could be Senator Kennedy he is having heart problems
> |> and probably he will not last any longer
> |> Yes the principles this country was founded upon
> |> by our founding fathers
> |> are no longer because:
> |> 1.Gay marriage is here and here to stay
>
> What? I know you're an idiot and all, but where exactly do the Founding
> Fathers say ANYTHING about gays?
>
> |> 2.The war in Iraq
> |> 3.The George Bush scandal in Washington
> |> 4.The rising price of crude oil
> |> 5.Terrorism
>
> You're right on these, but not for the reasons you think so.
>
>
Our founding fathers they had a vision that gays would soon pop out everywhere you look and gays taking over
the world as they are doing now Frosty and gee i am smart
They just knew someday this would happen and look they are right on the target |
| Frostbrand |
> |> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees.
> You see, some people put
> |> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology.
> You know, the principles
> |> our country was founded upon?
>
> They really want to give gays their rights they
> will fight this tooth and nail , and it will be
> all guns away" in the Courts
> and it is going down down
Do you read your posts before you send them? That statement was so all over the place I couldn't tell what you were taling about. You lost me after "They really want to give gays their rights" which is only a bad thing if you're an ignorant bigot. |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> It doesn't make sense to me that people
> |> can't file jointly on taxes,
> |> |> be put on their s/o's health insurance,
> |> or have power over their s/o's
> |> |> estate just because they are the same sex.
> |> Marriage or no marriage,
> |> |> that just doesn't make sense to me. The
> |> fact that people must
> |> |> be married to have those rights (but they
> |> can't be married if they
> |> |> are the same sex) creates an unfair denial
> |> of rights that everyone
> |> |> should have.
> |>
> |> No this does not make any sense to me as well
> |> it is all to strange and beyond me
> |> guess times are changing rapidly these days
> |> My mom and dad are most likely shaking their heads
> |> in disbelief how can this be?
>
> Are you aware that you just accidentally made an argument FOR something
> you oppose?
Yes that i did and now my computer will "crash" and go down for a week how funny that is Linda
never should have stuck my foot in this one and poor Bill cannot believe his eyes wow |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> Yes. Including soem Republican appointees.
> |> You see, some people put
> |> |> the rule of law ahead of religious ideology.
> |> You know, the principles
> |> |> our country was founded upon?
> |>
> |> They really want to give gays their rights they
> |> will fight this tooth and nail , and it will be
> |> all guns away" in the Courts
> |> and it is going down down
>
> Do you read your posts before you send them? That statement was so
> all over the place I couldn't tell what you were taling about. You
> lost me after "They really want to give gays their rights" which is
> only a bad thing if you're an ignorant bigot.
Yes it is what i have said and your the biggest loony bigot on Survey Central and your rude Frosty mind some
manners ??? |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 19-May-2008 12:07am |
Frosty has some rude and bad manners
Can You Read This |
| Frostbrand |
>
> Our founding fathers they had a vision that gays
> would soon pop out everywhere you look and gays
> taking over
> the world as they are doing now Frosty and gee
> i am smart
> They just knew someday this would happen and look
> they are right on the target
That statement was so patently false and insane, that my brain actually forze for a minute trying to comprhend just HOW stupid and insane it was. It couldn't make it, you are just so truly off your rocker (and probably of your meds too I'm guessin') that only another insane person could possibly understand you. |
| Frostbrand |
> Frosty has some rude and bad manners
>
> Can You Read This
Hey, I'm not the one with this "gays want to take over the world" delusion. |
| Frostbrand |
I'm the biggest bigot here? Excuse me? A-baking powder? The girl who makes derogatory remarks about non-Christians, Atheists, gays, and Mexicans on a fairly regular basis calls ME the bigot? Talk about the pot and the kettle. Do you know what projection is? Psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. I seriously doubt a guy like me who has asked out (and been rejected by  ) women of pretty much every race except albino (if that even counts) could be considered a racist, espeiucally when put next to Ms. "I still say Barack obama is a Muslim despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary and the total lack of any evidence to support my case." |
| dilfreak |
Yes, frostband needs to learn to properly communicate with people. If he did, he would find that more people would take him seriously. I'm sure he would also find himself having more constructive debates. |
| Enheduanna | | posted 19-May-2008 11:40am |
I think it's great! |
| Iseult | | posted 19-May-2008 12:51pm |
I don't have any. Good for them, I guess.
I don't care one way or another. Do I think gay people should be allowed to marry one another? Sure, if they want to. Do I want to get involved in politics over it? Not particularly. |
| Galomorro |
Read something this morning that's relevant to this ongoing discussion in today's "San Francisco Examiner," a daily newspaper, and I quote: "In the days leading up to the California Supreme Court's historic ruling on same-sex marriage, the case weighed on Chief Justice Ronald George like no other in his nearly 17 years on the court. The 68-year-old Republican told the Los Angeles Times that as he read legal arguments, he recalled a trip he made many years ago with his parents through the South. Signs warning "No Negro" or "No colored" left an indelible impression on him. He indicated he saw the fight for same-sex marriage as a civil-rights case akin to the legal battle that ended laws banning interracial marriage." - AP |
| aquawolfy | | posted 19-May-2008 4:22pm |
I hate it!!!!! |
| aquawolfy | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 19-May-2008 4:25pm |
AMEN!!!! |
| Frostbrand | | (reply to aquawolfy) posted 19-May-2008 4:42pm |
> AMEN!!!!
OK, may I ask exactly what you abse this on? Based on what I'm reading, you gusy use the same "logic" 4 year olds use to try and get out of eating their veggies. |
| LindaH | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 19-May-2008 4:43pm |
I see the legalization of gay marriage as not about condoning their lifestyle or what they do in the bedroom, but about allowing them to share legal rights, like filing jointly on taxes, being put on each other's health insurance, having a say about what happens when they are in the hospital. Why shouldn't Joe get to have a legal right to say what happens to John if he should become comatose, just because they are both men? Should it make any difference to us that two women can file jointly on their taxes? I'm with Bill. The government should get out of the business of marriage altogether.
Either that, or we should get rid of this requirement that people be legally married in order to have all these rights.
Technically, platonic room-mates who share living expenses should be able to file jointly, and share health benefits. I don't see why not. If we got rid of all these laws that say you must be married for this or that right, then we could leave the marriage business up to churches and other private entities, and the whole 'rights of marriage' thing would be a non-issue. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to LindaH) posted 19-May-2008 4:51pm |
You GO, Girl! Good post - exactamente! Just common sense... |
| Melf | | (reply to LindaH) posted 19-May-2008 4:52pm |
When it comes down to it, with the current system, you need to be married to lead a more beneficial life. Yet the government won't let certain people lead the life it advocates... sorry if that seems totally obvious and this is probably a pointless reply, but you've just made me realise how dumb that is. Ugh. |
| Van | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 6:48pm |
> Pity you don't live over here. You and Richard Littlejohn would get
> on like a house on fire.
Who is Richard Littlejohn?
|
| Melf | | (reply to Van) posted 19-May-2008 6:51pm |
Richard Littlejohn is a far right wing journalist who has written books called things like 'To Hell In A Handcart' - one of those guys who think the government is to blame for every single problem and weren't-things-so-much-better-when-Thatcher-was-in-power. His articles always just stop short of racism and homophobia, but he never goes far enough for anyone to do anything about it. He's an irritating little man. |
| Van | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 6:54pm |
He sounds like Rush Limbaugh. My dad listens to him a lot. |
| Melf | | (reply to Van) posted 19-May-2008 7:04pm |
I just looked that guy up on Wikipedia. Yeah, they sound pretty similar. |
| Van | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 7:07pm |
My dad likes him even though the guy is an butt-hole, My dad is also really conservative and Rush Limbaugh says the sort of stuff my dad wants to hear and agree with. |
| LindaH | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 7:08pm |
Yep. That's another way to look at it. |
| Melf | | (reply to Van) posted 19-May-2008 7:16pm |
The thing that usually defines these kind of guys is that they think they know what all the problems are, but are hopeless with solutions. My dad never really leaned either way until recently when it came to politics, but he's definitely becoming more conservative at the moment. I don't know why that is  |
| Van | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 7:18pm |
There isn't anything you can do or say to change their mind either. I do think there might be some hope for my dad though. He seems to be favoring Barack Obama over John McCain lately. |
| Melf | | (reply to Van) posted 19-May-2008 7:25pm |
That's good  .
I live in England - I don't know what you know of our politics - currently Labour are in power. They're generally middle of the road. But they're not doing very well and the Liberal Democrats (the left-wingers) don't really have a good representative at the moment, so it looks like the Conservatives are going to win in the next election. Ah well. |
| Van | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 7:29pm |
That sounds sort of confusing, but I don't completely understand American politics all that well. I am excited about this election though because it will be my first presidential election. I know you have a Prime Minister, but how much power does he have? Is it similar to that of a U.S. president or is it more like that of Queen Elizabeth's? |
| Melf | | (reply to Van) posted 19-May-2008 7:39pm |
The Prime Minister is basically the guy in charge; as similar to the President as we have. He and his cabinet make all the major decisions; and because we don't have states everwhere pretty much follows the same rules (though we do have the councils in the major towns which govern the more minor issues and public buildings: things like schools and hospitals).
The Queen, however, hasn't had any power for a long time. Apparently she has the power to stop new laws going through but she never uses it; the royalty don't do much at all apart from make us look quaint, really. I think the current Queen might be one of the last queens we have because more and more people seem to want to scrap royalty and it's probably going to kings for quite a while after she dies. |
| RGirl | | posted 19-May-2008 8:40pm |
What is taking so freaking long! I wanna get married for real but I'm in the Midwest. Won't happen in my lifetime. |
| RGirl | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 19-May-2008 8:41pm |
Am I going to hell? |
| southernyankee |
> No you have it wrong , I am a normal woman and all that is behind
> me and for good no more pretending to be
> a something that i am not
"I am a woman. Get your man hands off of me." --- Ms. Garrison [who btw went back to being a man]
But in all seriousness, waaayyyy to miss the point. I do in fact consider you to be a woman [albeit a moderaltly ugly one]. However, a lot of reasonable people can make the case that you're not. For instance, try telling a bouncer what you just told me when you don't want to pay cover and see how far that will get you. Be glad for lobbists, social liberals for one, pushing for your right to be legally considered a woman. Though not everybody who isn't hetersexual wishes to change their sex, and nor should they have to.
Man, talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul. I guess giving transgendered people their rights didn't do the gays any favors.
> You live in Fantasy World seems to me and you live your life as somebody
> you are not , you love playing games
> and pretending to be this and that which you are not
>
I fail to see what you mean by that.
> Counseling is what you need SY and you need a good Psychiatrist trust
> me on this
Trust you? Are you a licensened psychologist and/or psychiastrist in the Great State of Colorado, your state of residence, or any other US state or the Distric of Columbia for that matter? Are you allowed to dispense psychological advice to anyone? I am guessing no.
I am btw a grad student, employed, and I am in the process of filling proper paperwork to form my own LLC, and have several if not many friends. In other words, I am what you would call "well adjusted". So how bout you. Still living in that trailer of yours.
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| Pomeranian |
When did you become the Stepford Tranny? |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> When did you become the Stepford Tranny?
Why do you wish for all states to legalize this |
| Pomeranian |
WLHS: What LindaH said. |
| southernyankee | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 19-May-2008 10:51pm |
"It seems to me that when you [originally frostband] assume I don't have any rational counterarguments against gay marriage you are in fact the bigot and the idiot."
Well, ok then. I won't assume that you don't have any rational counterarguments against gay marriage. Feel free to try them on me. The floor is yours. |
| dilfreak | | (reply to LindaH) posted 19-May-2008 11:46pm |
Gay marriage for tax breaks seems like a silly reason to get married, but I understand it. What you said about their legal rights makes sense to me.
I guess my biggest concern is the effect gay marriage will have on families. I feel the most important social unit in all the world is the family and as such should be kept in its purest state. Thus, my biggest objections to gay marriage is based more on morals than anything; I just don't want to see a gay couple adopting children. |
| dilfreak | | (reply to RGirl) posted 19-May-2008 11:50pm |
I don't know, that's not for me to judge. Do you think you are going to hell? |
| southernyankee | | (reply to dilfreak) posted 20-May-2008 12:27am |
> How is multiracial marriage different than gay marriage??? Isn't
> it obvious??!!? The penis goes into the vagina. The penis cannot
> go into the penis and likewise with the vagina. It's that simple.
> Men and women have different characteristics that are complementary
> to each other. Man cannot supplement woman's characteristics and
> woman cannot supplement man's characteristics.
>
Your argument fails in one important way. Sexual intercourse is one thing. Marriage is another. Not all married people have sex (unfortunalty  ) and not all people who are having sex are married (fortunatly/unfortunatly-- depending on your viewpoint). Therefore, from that point of view, preventing gay marriage won't prevent gay sex, which seems to be the crux of your argument. And the courts (along with public opinion mind you) have already voted and settled the first issue in 2004.
As for adoption, another seperate issue--- not all married people qualify to adopt children, and not all people who qualify to adopt children are married. Again, from the point of view of not wanting gays to adapt children, preventing them from getting married won't do any good. In a lot of states, gays can already adopt children even though they can't get married and pretty soon there might be states where they can't adopt childen BUT can get married.
> BTW I just finished taking a college US Politics class where I read
> the constitution in its entirety and wrote papers about it. Guess
> what!! I'm still a right winger!!
Well, there's nothing wrong with being a right-winger (or left-winger for that matter) per se, but so far none of your arguments are very constitutional. So far you've conflated 3 seperate issues that have a lot less to do with each other than you give them credit for.
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| docgbrown | | posted 20-May-2008 12:29am |
Mixed |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to romkey) posted 20-May-2008 7:47am |
Really!? That is so gay. |
| judgescratch | | posted 20-May-2008 8:24am |
I think it's good. |
| they | | posted 20-May-2008 9:31am |
Here's a thought:
What if advanced stats broke things down even further, based on info that has been entered on the user page? Like by sexual preference, religion, location... That could be really interesting.
Off subject, I know. |
| they |
> jumping on some really gay
> band wagon.
Omg! There's a gay band wagon? That sounds really fun. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to they) posted 20-May-2008 11:35am |
That sounds like a good idea to me, the stats info further broken down... |
| they | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 20-May-2008 11:43am |
Tho, I'm sure it's much harder to implement it than to speculate about it. |
| cloudhugger |
