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Frostbrand	posted 16-May-2008 11:21am   Christians are just really sick puppies when you get right down to it; snakes impregnanting women, omniscient beigns forcing themselves on underage girls, genocide, incest, forced marriages, slavery...
they	posted 16-May-2008 11:50am   I have not heard of this before
bill	posted 16-May-2008 11:56am   Clearly, women cannot be trusted. We should lock them all up.
Melf	posted 16-May-2008 12:17pm   I had not heard this before. That would make a bloody excellent work of fiction. Well, it would make a bloody awful work of fiction bloody excellent.
Melf	(reply to bill) posted 16-May-2008 12:20pm   I wonder if the phallic nature of the serpent was intended. That would at least alleviate some of the blame.
romkey	posted 16-May-2008 12:36pm   It's about as likely to be literally true as the rest of Genesis.
Galomorro	posted 16-May-2008 12:49pm   Not heard of before and when reading some of the article found it quite confusing. It might make for a good book and film. I don't believe any of that, nor do I accept the "original sin" stuff.
kcthedog	posted 16-May-2008 1:07pm   Being brought up Catholic I have heard of this, while I accept this as part of the religion of Christianity I personally take the idea with a grain of salt.
Enheduanna	posted 16-May-2008 1:27pm   I've heard it before, although I don't recall hearing it called by such an official-sounding title. I don't accept this doctrine, nor do I accept this as an interpretation of the text. Genesis 4:1 specifically says: 'Now the man [ha-adam, or Adam, in Hebrew] knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gained a male child with the help of the LORD.”' I see no reason to read a story about a serpent into this. I'm not saying I think that this story is true, but I think that the "serpent seed" interpretation goes way, way beyond the bounds of the narrative.
Enheduanna	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 16-May-2008 1:30pm   > Christians are just really sick puppies when you get right down to > it; snakes impregnanting women, omniscient beigns forcing themselves > on underage girls, genocide, incest, forced marriages, slavery... You realize that those stories are from the Hebrew Bible, which is pre-Christian, right?
Enheduanna	(reply to Melf) posted 16-May-2008 1:42pm   > I wonder if the phallic nature of the serpent was intended. That would > at least alleviate some of the blame. There are some scholars who believe that the phallic nature of the snake is a significant element of the story. A couple of books that I think discuss this are Howard Eilberg-Schwartz's God's Phallus, and Other Problems for Men and Monotheism (which features a snake prominently on the cover), and Elaine Pagels' Adam, Eve, and the Serpent.
icurok	posted 16-May-2008 1:46pm   I only came across this because of comments made by LJD. She has made several references to the fact that she thinks Genesis 3:15 is one of the most important passages in the Bible. "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The implication here is that Eve will give birth to a child that is fathered not by Adam, but by the Serpent (Satan) - hence Cain and Abel were half-brothers. Apparently, after Cain went to live in the land of Nod (Gen 4:16), his descendants somehow managed to avoid the global flood and are alive and well today, still tainted with the genetic material of Satan himself and still bearing enmity toward the descendants of Adam. And although LJD has never spelt it out, it is further implied that you can spot someone who is of the Serpent seed by their .. how shall we say.. hue. Although she has said that Satan's children come from all races, the "keep to your own" mentality would only make sense if you though that white people were God's children by default. It explains a lot of her opinions, including her idea that multi-racial relationships are wrong, that multiculturalism leads to 'confusion' and her belief that Barack Obama can't be a 'proper' Christian.
Melf	(reply to Enheduanna) posted 16-May-2008 1:50pm   Oh wow, it's a real theory. Cool. *Googles*
icurok	(reply to Enheduanna) posted 16-May-2008 1:50pm   That's what I thought when I read Genesis 4. Adam only 'knows' his wife once but she has two sons. 4.1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 4.2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. So if anything, it's Abel who has questionable parentage.
Enheduanna	(reply to Melf) posted 16-May-2008 3:14pm   > Oh wow, it's a real theory. Cool. *Googles* In this day and age, of course it is! Phalluses are everywhere!
aquawolfy	posted 16-May-2008 3:19pm   This is my first time hearing this...... and I don't think it's true...
Enheduanna	(reply to icurok) posted 16-May-2008 3:20pm   Exactly. Although I would still call that a radical (mis)interpretation of the text. Add to that the fact that serpent is never identified as Satan (which is a postbiblical concept), that the word sin never appears in this story, and that it is never referred to as a fall (also a postbiblical concept) or anything similarly negative, and all you are left with is an etiological tale about how the serpent lost its feet, how childbirth became so painful, and why farming is so difficult.
Melf	(reply to Enheduanna) posted 16-May-2008 4:34pm   Lol. That's so gay.
Enheduanna	(reply to Melf) posted 16-May-2008 5:06pm   Totally.
Crayons	posted 16-May-2008 6:59pm   ..I don't know. I mean, animals just can't make babies with humans, that's a fact now so why would it change? Even though that was the devil but I mean, why would.. well I'm not really in on this anyway.
Maarten	posted 16-May-2008 7:11pm   Yeah right. A woman and a snake had a baby. Lay off the drugs if you can't handle them.
CarlHalling	posted 17-May-2008 7:23am   Yes, and as a Christian I reject it.
bill	(reply to Melf) posted 17-May-2008 7:36am   can we blame Freud for this one too?
Melf	(reply to bill) posted 17-May-2008 11:57am   Why not‽
Biggles	posted 17-May-2008 12:14pm   I never heard of it before I saw this survey.
dilfreak	posted 17-May-2008 11:30pm   I have never heard anything of that sort before in all my studies of the Bible.
Enigma	posted 18-May-2008 1:32am   Never heard of it.
LJD	posted 18-May-2008 8:11pm   It is true...
Frostbrand	posted 18-May-2008 9:41pm   Sure it is. And so is Batboy, and Nessie, and Sasquatch, and the Tooth Fairy, and... Boy, you are a telemarketer's DREAM you know that?
LJD	posted 18-May-2008 10:05pm   If you don’t understand, or know Genesis 3:15. You can’t understand the rest of the Bible. Many of the churches of today do not teach the truth.. God said he only approved of some of the churches, because most of them were not teaching the truth. Regarding the statements made. Satan has, is called by several names. Satan in the garden, he was the serpent, he beguiled Eve, seduced her. She became pregnant with Cain. Cain was the seed of Satan. Abel, the child of Adam. It is said many times in the Bible. After Cain was thrown from the Garden, he went to the land of Nod, in Mongolia, and took a wife. There were other people there. God warned of intermarrying because of Satan’s seed. Satan’s seed has intermarried, with other peoples….who? People have migrated. But that is not convicting all peoples of each group. Talking of the flood. The flood of Noah time, was a small area, not the oceans, and seas as we know them. To them, the area they were living in, was their “earth”. I see Bible prophesy before our eyes… Check Obama’s own words from his books… _ Shifts in philosophy and ideals and blown by every wind. Scary. This person wants to be our President and control our government. Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama's books; his words: *** From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.' From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.' From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.' From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.' From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image , the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Man dela.' From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 19-May-2008 12:02am   > Shifts in philosophy and ideals and blown by every > wind. Scary. > > This person wants to be our President and control > our government. Pay > close attention to the last comment!! Below are > a few lines from > Obama's books; his words: > > *** > From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise > my mother's race at > the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that > by doing so I was > ingratiating myself to whites.' > So? Lots of mixed race children make decisions like that. Many of them feel they have to choose one side of their heritage. I think it's wrong, but that's their choice to make. > From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in > nursing a pervasive > sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers > race.' > Past tense. Past tense LJD. Do you know what that means? > From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something > about him that made me > wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And > white.' > OK, who is he talking about here? Out of context this statemnet is meaningless. > From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary > to prove which side > you were on, to show your loyalty to the black > masses, to strike out > and name names.' > A half-truth is the wrost kind of lie. I want to see this statement in it's original context, assuming you even know what that context is, which i doubt since you seem to take things that are untrue at face value. > From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white > men and brown men > whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into > my father's image , > the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed > all the attributes I > sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and > Malcolm, DuBois and Man > dela.' > The men he lists are good men, especially MLK and Mandela. I see nothing wrong here. > From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the > Muslims should the > political winds shift in an ugly direction.' > I know this is hard for a moron like you to beelive, but not all Muslims are terrorists. Hell, not all terrorists are Muslims either. Just ask the people of Northern Ireland. For your conspiracy theroies to be true it would require around 3 BILLION people, some of whom don't even have access to some kind of postal service, to be in touch constantly yet somehow avoid detection, and... You know what? it's just easier to call you stupid again. You can't even accept the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims; not beucase there is no differnece, but becuase you are a self-righteous fool who refuses to accpet a reality that doesn't confoim to her uninformed worldview. Why should we expect you to do things like not taking statements out of context, and not beleiveing fairy stoires as fact?
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-May-2008 1:56am   Frostbrand, it's easier for you to join the enemy, than fight them....hmmmm what are they called...., pantywaists? The excerpts you mentioned are from Obama...his own words I assume there are Muslims that are not terrorists. But I have a problem with Muslims coming into my country, expecting all the niceties, but will not say anything against the terrorists. I have heard a few Muslims, or ex Muslims stand up for right....and they were women...who have more guts tthan the whole lot of male Muslims.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 19-May-2008 2:24am   > Frostbrand, it's easier for you to join the enemy, > than fight them....hmmmm what are they called...., > pantywaists? > > The excerpts you mentioned are from Obama...his > own words > I never said they weren't, I just said you made not even a false efort to put them in context. Do you even know what "out of context" means? Clearly you don't, since you think 'book learnin'' is evil and all that, but just so you know, it DOESN'T mean I claimed you made those quotes up. > I assume there are Muslims that are not terrorists. > But I have a problem with Muslims coming into > my country, expecting all the niceties, but will > not say anything against the terrorists. I have > heard a few Muslims, or ex Muslims stand up for > right....and they were women...who have more guts > tthan the whole lot of male Muslims. Considering the sources you like to get your information, it doesn't suprise me that you haven't heard any Muslims denounce terrorism. I bet you didn't even know about the Muslim Cleric who issued a Fatwa against Bin Laden. And I bet the list of Muslim nations who went into Afghanistan with us after 9/1 (including Iran, BTW) just flew right over your head.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-May-2008 9:13am   Frostbrand, I'd never read one of Obama's books, a waste of money and time. I received my material from a reliable person. I'm talking of a big outcry by the average Muslim against the terrorists, not one or two clerics. If the Muslim are judging the average American by Hollywood, Television, drug crazed music "entertainment", the media, heaven knows I can understand why they dislike us, the media paints us an immoral, drug crazed people. Egads!
Melf	(reply to icurok) posted 19-May-2008 11:14am   Happy birthday
Iseult	posted 19-May-2008 1:03pm   I've never heard of it.
icurok	(reply to Melf) posted 19-May-2008 2:05pm   Thank you
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 19-May-2008 4:39pm   > Frostbrand, I'd never read one of Obama's books, > a waste of money and time. I received my material > from a reliable person. > Why do I doubt that? > I'm talking of a big outcry by the average Muslim > against the terrorists, not one or two clerics. > If the Muslim are judging the average American > by Hollywood, Television, drug crazed music "entertainment", > the media, heaven knows I can understand why > they dislike us, the media paints us an immoral, > drug crazed people. Egads! Media owned by people on your side of the poltical spectrum I might add. How else to explain that neo-nazi tranny Ann(dy) Coulter being allowed on TV when she has nothing to offer but a level of hate and bile that makes Bin Laden look like Ghandi?
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-May-2008 6:07pm   I understand what you're saying. I know some hoax site may want to discount the words of Obama, for being out of context,.....but in or out of context, the words are clear.....Obama's interests are not in the best interests of the American people....only to his people. He has dual citizenship, can vote on money in this country, to go to his country, I believe it's Africa. He is a Muslim, through and through. I don't believe in dual citizenship, as a citizen of one country with money, can vote to drain off money to be sent to his/her other country. I know of Ann Coulter, but haven't read any of her books. What hate is she professing? For the American people to wake up? I think the main media are leftists.....I'm not a lefty....I'm conservative, I'm a little to the right of center.
Van	posted 19-May-2008 7:09pm   This sounds like one of those theories you would hear on Coast to Coast.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 19-May-2008 9:46pm   > I know of Ann Coulter, but haven't read any of > her books. What hate is she professing? For > the American people to wake up? I think the > main media are leftists.....I'm not a lefty....I'm > conservative, I'm a little to the right of center. > People like you kep saying the media is lefty. You are, of course, full of crap. You cannot help but lie. The "liberal media" is a poltergeist that is cited often, but never relaly sighted. Let's see, what kind of hate does Ann Coulter preach? Where to start. How about the widows of the victims of 9/11? "These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them... I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much." Excerpt from her book Godless: The Church of Liberalism June 2006. Canada? "[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent." Fox News; Hannity & Colmes, November 30, 2004 Episcopalians? "The Episcopals don't demand much in the way of actual religious belief. They have girl priests, gay priests, gay bishops, gay marriages — it's much like The New York Times editorial board. They acknowledge the Ten Commandments — or "Moses' talking points" — but hasten to add that they're not exactly "carved in stone." The Jesus Thing; January 7, 2004 The planet itself? "The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man's dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that's the Biblical view." Oil Good; Democrats bad; October 12, 2000 Supreme Court Justices? "We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee." Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 Women? "I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care." Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001 "It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted." May 17, 2003 And that's just a tiny sampling. You don't want the American people to wak up. We've been waking up slowly since 2006, and the results have bad for bigoted, backwards thinking, anti-reality, types such as yourself. How else can you explain your stubborn hodling on to this whole "Obama is a Muslim" doesn't the moutnaisn of evidence to the contrary, whereas all your evidence is a voice in yoru head and an e-mail smear campaign? You are incapable of rational thought, or any thoguth near as I can tell.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 20-May-2008 8:05pm   I appreciate the commentary on Coulter, sounds like she is being flipant in some situations. Some remarks very tacky, such as the one about the wives of 9/11, the wives were grieving, they were caught up in pain, their world was crumbling, Coulter wasn't being sympathetic. She has a wry sense of humor, I suspect. I don't know her, or have I ever heard her speak. She may have a point on other things however. I'll never change my mind about Obama, he's a Muslim....he has dual citizenship. This election, under the "big" tent, there is no one I want to vote for....Clinton, Obama, or McCain. I'll vote for a third party, a Constitutional party, a conservative party.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 20-May-2008 10:01pm   > I appreciate the commentary on Coulter, sounds > like she is being flipant in some situations. > Some remarks very tacky, such as the one about > the wives of 9/11, the wives were grieving, they > were caught up in pain, their world was crumbling, > Coulter wasn't being sympathetic. She has a > wry sense of humor, I suspect. I don't know her, > or have I ever heard her speak. Consider yourself lucky on that count. > She may have > a point on other things however. > I've seen her speak. She rarely has a point on anything. > I'll never change my mind about Obama, he's a > Muslim. Except it can be proven that he is not. So basically, what you are saying is "I'm a liar, and will continue to lie." >...he has dual citizenship. So do lots of people, including comedian/actor Richard Belzer. Is Belzer out to destory America by way of his performance on law & Order Speical Victims Unit? > This election, > under the "big" tent, there is no one I want to > vote for....Clinton, Obama, or McCain. I'll vote > for a third party, a Constitutional party, a conservative > party. In another words, a fringe dingus with no hope in hell. Fine by me, it's your right as an American, though I'd prefer you vote based on rational reasons.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 21-May-2008 1:40am   But Richard Belzer is not a politician, is not able to gain taxpayers money for his other country. I have a lot to think of in the next six months on voting...I know I won't vote for anyone in the Democrat party......a vote for a Democrat is a vote for socialism/communism. WHY would you be interested in Obama, why would you vote for him? What is he promising you as a citizen?
RGirl	posted 21-May-2008 3:28am   I have heard of it but didn't know it had a name. I accept it as much as I accept what happened to Athena, Gaia and Hephaestus. Hephaestus attempted to rape Athena but she got away and wiped his semen from her leg and threw it to the ground. Then the earth goddess, Gaia, gave birth to the child, Erichthonius. I'd say both stories weigh about equal amounts in my mind.
RGirl	(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2008 3:42am   And so then if what you say is true then Athena WAS born from Zeus' head fully formed and fully armed! I mean I did read about it in a book that was translated from an ancient text. Makes it true, right?
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2008 12:44pm   > But Richard Belzer is not a politician, is not > able to gain taxpayers money for his other country. > I looked it up, and while Obama does have dual citizneship with his father's native country of Kenya, so far that sems to be the only thin you've said about him that is true. That was probably an accident. > > I have a lot to think of in the next six months > on voting...I know I won't vote for anyone in > the Democrat party......a vote for a Democrat > is a vote for socialism/communism. > No, a vote for the Socialist party is a vote for Socialism, and oh I have to remind you et again that Socialism and Communism are actually different. While it is true that Communists are Socialists, not all Socialists are Communists. Of course, you can't tell the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite, so why evne bother telling you this. Oh, and it is the Democratic party. "The Democrat Party" is a talking point for non-thinking sheep who want stpupid people to associate us with the word 'rat.' > WHY would you be interested in Obama, why would > you vote for him? What is he promising you as > a citizen? Hope, intelligence, compassion, diplomacy, basically all the good things you and your evil cult stand against.
Frostbrand	(reply to RGirl) posted 21-May-2008 12:45pm   > And so then if what you say is true then Athena > WAS born from Zeus' head fully formed and fully > armed! I mean I did read about it in a book that > was translated from an ancient text. Makes it > true, right? > > Oh, yeah that's right. And it's also true that there is a planet in the universe populated by talking matresses. I read it in a book.
LJD	(reply to RGirl) posted 21-May-2008 2:52pm   RGirl.......without a doubt, Obama is a Muslim, through and through. He has danced around about Rev. Wright, saying he didn't hear what he was saying....for 20 years? Read the book "Color, Communism and Common Sense" by Manning Johnson, a black man, that says black churches were infiltrated by the communist party...blacks, as well as other people of color are being used, pure and simple. He himself said he was a communist for 10 years, was sold the bill of goods, until he started seeing it was wrong. Of course, there are some black people that can see through the veil of deception by the communist party...we have them in our group. I had a young black friend of my son, have dinner here just recently, and he can see it. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for socialism/communism. .Unfortunately, the Republican party too has been infiltrated by the neocons, the rhinos...we want them out.
RGirl	(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2008 7:30pm   I think you are responding to the wrong person. Your response doesn't match my comment. I was talking about the ancient Greek mythology stories being as silly as your Christian mythology story about Satan as a snake impregnating a woman and giving birth to a whole race of human Satan spawn. If you say that is true then I have to assume that the Greek goddess Athena was born from the head of her father the Greek god Zeus, and that she was born in adult form with her battle armor. I will be voting for either Obama or Clinton. McCain is a doddering old man. We NEED socialized medicine and socialized education. If you don't think we do I imagine it is only because you would rather the minorities and poor not get an education and perhaps if they can't afford medical care they will all die off.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 21-May-2008 10:43pm   > RGirl.......without a doubt, Obama is a Muslim, > through and through. Actually, there's a ton of doubt. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. > He has danced around about > Rev. Wright, saying he didn't hear what he was > saying....for 20 years? Rev. Wright was a pastor for over 20 years, yet you sum up the entirety of his carreer from one 5 minute clip on YouTube. It's not impossible that obama wasn't there for that. > Read the book "Color, > Communism and Common Sense" by Manning Johnson, > a black man, that says black churches were infiltrated > by the communist party...blacks, as well as other > people of color are being used, pure and simple. You yourself admitted to SoYa that this was relaly more a pamphlet than a book. > He himself said he was a communist for 10 years, > was sold the bill of goods, until he started seeing > it was wrong. Of course, there are some black > people that can see through the veil of deception > by the communist party...we have them in our group. > I had a young black friend of my son, have dinner > here just recently, and he can see it. > Communism is a failing ideology. Even China is leaning more towards capitalism. How foolish are you that you continue to live in fear of a discredited system of government that has fewer and fewer followers each year? > A vote for a Democrat is a vote for socialism/communism. Another slanderous lie of course. You enver have anything to back it up apart from easily debunkable propaganda. > .Unfortunately, the Republican party too has been > infiltrated by the neocons, the rhinos...we want > them out. The Neocons actually love people like you; you bought the whole Obama is a Muslim thing hook line and sinker. Fools like you are their base.
LJD	(reply to RGirl) posted 22-May-2008 2:02am   RGirl, I believe in individual responsibility. LESS government. Socialized medicine, there will be graft. I say, why don't people start thinking preventative medicine? Socialized education...we already have it.....socialism is being taught all the time. Since when do we have to educate, medicate the world? There will forever be poor people, as the Bible says. But, you ask what is poor? Will the poor always be envious of the haves? If the poor want everything for free, who is going to pay for it? Some people feel a sense of entitlement, have no drive to make things better for themselves, dependent on others. We need only a sustainable population, America can't take in the world.....we need to stop legal and illegal immigration. I feel we need to work out a a better program between management and labor. I think people need to make a livable wage. Business should be fair, as well as labor should be fair. Too much greed all around. I would like to see the day when a man/husband/father can be the breadwinner, and the woman/wife/mother will be able to stay at home and nurture their children.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 22-May-2008 2:08am   It's a book by Manning Johnson. Communism is a false religion. Communism is still alive...but maybe under a different name.....liberalism I'm for a conservative, Constitutional government. I believe more than ever, the schools have really did a number on the youth, after talking to many of them.
RGirl	(reply to LJD) posted 22-May-2008 3:10am   Socialized medicine emphasizes prevention much more than the system we have now. People can't afford a doctor visit so they don't go to get things like routine prenatal care, or diabetes check ups. Then they end up in the ER with complications and the people end up paying more. Who said anything about the world? I'm talking about the US of A here. Of course there will always be poor people but they have a right to the same medical care and education as anybody else. Again, when did I say anything about the world? Look at Canada as a model, I say. I am ok with legal immigration, but not illegal and I do think we should limit the numbers not because they are immigrants but because we are struggling to take care of who we have here now. Again, look at Canada. They need you before they let you move in. Now, I don't care about who is the breadwinner and I don't care about a couple's sex, opposite or same. I do think that ideally a parent should be home. One of my brothers spent a couple of years being the stay at home parent. His wife made more money, she liked working, she had more drive and was more organized. My brother is more laid back, more patient and loved doing the day to day home things. He's an excellent cook, she is not. It was a fabulous arrangement. Now that their boy is almost 4 they both work, and the boy is the most well adjusted child I have ever met.
Zang	posted 22-May-2008 10:25am   Sounds rather implausible.
LJD	(reply to RGirl) posted 22-May-2008 2:21pm   In my day, it was the man that was the breadwinner, mom's stayed at home....that is what I know. I have no problem, if a woman works, and a man takes care of the children...if it's both agreed upon, and it works for them....my thought is children need the nurturing by a loving parents, one that has their best interests at heart. You don't want to know what I think of the AMA. It's corrupt to the Nth degree. Of course, there are those in the system that want to do right, but the greedy, hierarchy are a disgrace. They put money before human suffering...that is unforgiveable...it's evil to me. I feel there should be a sliding scale on what people can afford in health care. But, I do believe everyone, including the poor, pay their fair share. I always get somewhat edgy when government gets involved in some things. Because in government controlled health...they can decide on who will live, and who will die. Ever since I've been under Medicare...my insurance pays less. I have a supplement, go broke practically paying for both my supplement and Medicare. And now we pay more. Medicare doesn't honor some things my supplement used to pay for....but now the supplemental won't pay because of Medicare. Medicare decides what older people can and cannot have. I'd like to see these doctors climb out of their ivory towers, charge decent, fair fees. There should be a system to make it fair to all.....but the poor should pay too, otherwise, they lose their will, their dignity. Allow them inexpensive health policies, possibly. I hope for the future, people would learn more of holistic healing....
RGirl	(reply to LJD) posted 22-May-2008 5:33pm   Did you know that in England if you get a prescription it costs about the equivalent of $10 regardless of what the prescription is for? That's it, no more. And if you are under, I think it was 16, and over 60 you don't have to pay at all. If I didn't pay $530 out of pocket every month for health insurance my medications would cost me over $1000 a month. Something is wrong here.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 22-May-2008 7:04pm   > It's a book by Manning Johnson. > > Communism is a false religion. Communism is > still alive...but maybe under a different name.....liberalism > In that order, it's not a religion at all, it's a political philosophy, no it isn't, and again stop with the slander it does you no good. I know you can't win an argument without lying, but could you at least try, just once? > I'm for a conservative, Constitutional government. Really? So you're all for the seperation of church of state, the lack of "god" in the founding document, and the secular nature of our laws? Well good on you. > I believe more than ever, the schools have really > did a number on the youth, after talking to many > of them. > Yeah, that evil book learnin' really ruined me. Nothing at all like you who can make logical leaps that would make Superman jealous. Your religion has turned you into a jelly brain, but you're too stupid to know you're stupid.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 22-May-2008 7:06pm   Oh and by the way, you never got back to me on all those Biblical contradictions I pointed out. You said there werne't any, I psoted a list, and you said you'd look into that. I assume you haven't, and in fact will continue to suggest there are no contradictions as you have done in the past?
LJD	(reply to RGirl) posted 23-May-2008 12:45am   Yes, I would say, SOMETHING IS WRONG when medications cost that much. That is absurd! It's criminal. I don't know if you've read any of my past posts, but my sister's former (now deceased) father-in-law owned at least a couple Pharmacies. She worked as a clerk for him while she was married to her first husband. She told me, she checked in the medications from the pharmaceutical companies, and she said she'd check in say one type pill, receive a bottle of pills that would cost her father-in-law $5.00, her father-in-law, would charge a customer $90 for only a few pills. In other words, the markup was sinful. My sister said it made her sick to see the markup.. and seeing elderly people, on a fixed income, come in and have to pay the prices. ...In this case she said, it's the individual stores that are making major profit. I have a serious problem with this issue. And no doubt the pharmaceutical companies are making major monies too. I think it's a sin. This is price gouging. I believe in a fair profit, but not blood sucking profit.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 23-May-2008 1:03am   Frosty, meaning no disrespect, but you're so naive, and full of malarky. There is no such thing as separation of church and state. It's the likes of ACLU that twist everything around. I do believe higher learning is destructive. but, I do believe in some education. You are a perfect example of higher learning....sorry, no disrespect. I think the one world elitists, created the higher learning system....or business.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 23-May-2008 1:24am   Frostbrand, I apologize if I can't answer every post. I literally get loads of email every day. At one point I was back logged at least 500 messages. I come on this site, just to break away from my inbox. I'll see if I can find your post. If it was long, it may be done in several posts.
LindaH	(reply to LJD) posted 23-May-2008 1:26am   Professionals become competent at what they do because of higher learning. Electronics technicians, computer programmers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, architects, journalists, even some business owners go to college to learn how to manage a business better. You'd rather have a society full of incompetent people? Would you want a technician who had never gone to formal training to wire your house?
LJD	(reply to LindaH) posted 23-May-2008 2:02am   I do believe in some education, such as electricians. I just don't like the high science fields, that try to change nature, and what God designed. My Dad was a designer, an inventor, built a house that could withstand a bad earthquake....and he never went past the 8th grade. He drew his own blueprints, used a crane to lift steel beams...the house was a double story. It took him two years, but he finished it. He built a spiral staircase to downstairs. The lower level was a basement that was like a roller rink. My dad loved learning, but really had no desire to go to college. He loved going to the library, if he ever had questions. People came to my Dad regarding designing, building things. He was a whiz as a car mechanic too. He was quite a farmer too.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 23-May-2008 1:35pm   > Frosty, meaning no disrespect, but you're so naive, > and full of malarky. > Me, ful of malarky? Taqk about the pot and the kettle. I've disproven some of your favorite talking points at least twice, and so have SoYa, and Linda, and they, and many otehrs, yet you still parrot them. How is it I'M the one full of malarky? > There is no such thing as separation of church > and state. It's the likes of ACLU that twist > everything around. > Another lie. The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." And you yourself claimed to beleive in the Constitiution. So which is it? > I do believe higher learning is destructive. You seem to beelvie any learning is desturctive, becuase educated people tend not to beelive as you do. Maybe you should take that as a hint. > but, > I do believe in some education. You are a perfect > example of higher learning....sorry, no disrespect. Actually you do mean disrespect, but it's okay seeing as your central thesis is false so it doesn't matter if you mean offense or not. > I think the one world elitists, created the > higher learning system....or business. Elite means someone who is among the best at certain tasks. So, when exactly did you Right Wing fudgetards decide to make that a BAD thing? Frankly, whenever someone accuses me of being "elitist" I say "Thanks, but I'm not THAT good."
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 23-May-2008 1:37pm   > I do believe in some education, such as electricians. > I just don't like the high science fields, that > try to change nature, and what God designed. > My Dad was a designer, an inventor, built a house > that could withstand a bad earthquake.... So he interfered with God's plan then and should go to hell. > and he > never went past the 8th grade. Not exactly something to be proud of. Did it ever occur to you that maybe he was just a savant? > He drew his own > blueprints, used a crane to lift steel beams...the > house was a double story. It took him two years, > but he finished it. He built a spiral staircase > to downstairs. The lower level was a basement > that was like a roller rink. My dad loved learning, > but really had no desire to go to college. He > loved going to the library, if he ever had questions. > People came to my Dad regarding designing, building > things. He was a whiz as a car mechanic too. > He was quite a farmer too. Sounds like I would've liked him. A shame you didn't seem to inherit any of the admirable traits you describe.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 23-May-2008 6:40pm   You haven't or others have not unproven anything I've said. The verse you are speaking of regarding religion and Constitution means - the government cannot vote in a religion. Our Judeo/Christian beliefs are weaved into our government, and country, this is what makes our form of government and country great. But, the enemy within, wants to use that verse to dismantle this country. The communist front ACLU and the likes, has , along with other traitors in our government twisted the true intent of the Constitution. The enemy has twisted the Constitution intent for their destructive agenda. I believe the higher learning institutions are businesses...it's a pyramid system. As I've said I believe in no more of a two year out of high school education is necessary. Practical education is good. Trade schools are good. Of course, highly educated people would agree with you. To me, education has become a god to some people. Think about it....in the business of education...on how many make money....follow the money trail....the banking industry, book publishers, teachers, insurance companies, food companies, fast food companies, office equipment, medical, ......go down the list. On top of it all there is a lot of wasted time, energy taking classes that are unnecessary, just to keep teachers on the job and others profits. . It has learned to be an accepted business.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 23-May-2008 6:58pm   My Dad did not change nature, against God's design I suspect my Dad's 8th grade education was probably equivalent to a 12th grade education today. My Dad was a curious person, liked to learn...he was a very bright person, a very religious man. He built a three car garage by himself in back of the other house. He had a machine shop that had all the best equipment you can think of. I often wonder what he would do with a two year college education today. My Dad was well liked,...I believe you would have liked him.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 23-May-2008 10:18pm   > You haven't or others have not unproven anything > I've said. > Yes we have; you claimed that Obama was raised a Muslim by his father, we had to inform you that his father had left when he was 2. That's just one example. You also have repeatedly said things about the Foudnign Fathers that I was able to debunk by giving you samples of their own writings. It's a long standing pattern. you say something untrue, one of us (if not me then SoYa usually) corrects you, you say something along the lines of "well I feel it's right, so damn your facts." Not in those exact words of course, but that's the essence of it. > The verse you are speaking of regarding religion > and Constitution means - the government cannot > vote in a religion. Our Judeo/Christian beliefs > are weaved into our government, and country, > this is what makes our form of government and > country great. Yes, some Judeo-Christian influences there yes. Also Greek. So should we give special treatment to worshippers of Hercules or Atalanta? > But, the enemy within, wants > to use that verse to dismantle this country. > The communist front ACLU and the likes, has > , along with other traitors in our government > twisted the true intent of the Constitution. You keep saying that ACLU is a Communist front, yet you offer no evidence otehr than hate speech. How you can you expect anyone to beelive you when all you spout is baseless accusations? > The enemy has twisted the Constitution intent > for their destructive agenda. > No, that would be the NeoCons and George Bush. > I believe the higher learning institutions are > businesses...it's a pyramid system. As I've said > I believe in no more of a two year out of high > school education is necessary. You also beleive Barack Obama is a secert Muslim agent programmed at age two by a father he barely knew to serve the will of terrorist groups that had to have used time travel since many of them didn't exists until years AFTER this plan you say you "know is true" was put in place. > Practical education > is good. Trade schools are good. Of course, > highly educated people would agree with you. > To me, education has become a god to some people. > Maybe it has, but at least it's a god that actually exists. > Think about it....in the business of education...on > how many make money....follow the money trail....the > banking industry, book publishers, teachers, insurance > companies, food companies, fast food companies, > office equipment, medical, ......go down the > list. On top of it all there is a lot of wasted > time, energy taking classes that are unnecessary, > just to keep teachers on the job and others profits. > . It has learned to be an accepted business. > > I swear you get anymore loopy you'll start saying the Belgians were behind 9/11.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 24-May-2008 1:33am   I know Obama was raised by his maternal grandparents. But, he does not deny his black heritage, and what his father was...why dual citizenship with Africa? He is a Muslim....been influenced by Rev. Wright. I've read in a reliable book, the ACLU is a communist front, and also heard it on radio.
LindaH	(reply to LJD) posted 24-May-2008 12:50pm   There are benefits to dual citizenship. Not that Obama needs much help in these areas, but some people find it useful. My mom was born in England and her family moved here when she was young. She ended up being able to have dual citizenship. When she moved back to England in the 80s, she was able to have a job and all the benefits of British citizenship without much fuss. I think it would be cool to be able to do that. But I guess some benefits come from owning property in another country. That's about as close as I'm gonna get.
Frostbrand	(reply to LJD) posted 24-May-2008 4:31pm   > I know Obama was raised by his maternal grandparents. > But, he does not deny his black heritage, And that is only a bad thing if you're racist. > and > what his father was...why dual citizenship with > Africa? Have you ever thought of asking him maybe? Or is it just easier to make crap up? > He is a Muslim.... No, he isn't. It can be proven. Youa re just a paranoid racist liar. > been influenced by > Rev. Wright. Who is a Christian. So, what you're saying is, he's SO Muslim he;s Christian? Your're crazy theories aren't even internally consistent. > I've read in a reliable book, the > ACLU is a communist front, and also heard it on > radio. > A book you won't name, and radio that is dominated by Right Wing racists, homophobes, and sexists. Not exactly a reliable bunch. Face it, you are a fool and a follower of liars.
LJD	(reply to LindaH) posted 25-May-2008 2:42pm   The problem lies when a person with a dual citizenship uses their leverage to benefit another country over the U.S.....extorting money from tax paying Americans to another country.
LJD	(reply to Frostbrand) posted 25-May-2008 2:58pm   Once you get out of the liberal fog, you'll know he is a Muslim, without regard to this country. He is totally against the 2nd Amendment. Feels a citizen has not a right to self-protection, owning a gun. Look up his voting record. If you call a racist, a person who wants to protect their heritage, their culture in their land, then call me a racist.....so be it. The book is "I Led Three Lives" by Herbert Filbrick. He was a man that infiltrated the communist party as a spy....worked with the FBI. In the book it states the ACLU is a communist front. A sexist? Yes, I do believe in the roles of men and women. A homophobe? I do not believe in the lifestyle, but I love the person. Frosty, you're the perfect example of today's dumbed down young person via the media, education.
LindaH