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  What are your thoughts about these recent Obama remarks:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." - Barack Obama speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco."

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Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 17-Apr-2008 1:19pm  

I think he had a good point, honestly. It's not something that is always and universally true, but I think it's something that is true too often and getting angry about his assessment is simply a way of avoiding responsibility for the problems these communities are facing.
bill Survey Central Gold SubscriberSilver Star Survey Creator
posted 17-Apr-2008 1:28pm  

Obama can do no wrong! Quit Hillary, QUIT!!!!
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 17-Apr-2008 1:33pm  

It's been spun wildly and taken out of context by the media, and the Hillary campaign; in other words business as usual.
Galomorro Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold QualifierThis user is on the site NOW (5 minutes and 26 seconds ago)
posted 17-Apr-2008 2:56pm  

I think much of what he says is probably true, but I also heard that he was having a private conversation with someone. I do think that he should be careful about what he says, as anyone running for a political office, or indeed ANY person in the public eye, could get into a lot more trouble than ordinary people who just say what they believe to be true. The above is also a stereotype of small-town people, as not EVERY small-town or middle-America person is like the above, turning to guns, screaming about immigrants, or being overly aggressive about religion. I hope this publicity doesn't harm his chances in any way.
cerealkiller Bronze Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 4:24pm  

He's crooked. He's black and from Illinois. That says it all.
Melf Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 4:30pm  

I like the way he speaks. I don't really care what he's talking about.
ausfox
posted 17-Apr-2008 5:21pm  

Fair enough
cloudhugger Survey Central SubscriberSilver Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 5:44pm  

Was there a question he was answering? What was the fund raiser for? I'm going to assume I think I know what he is sayin.g unless I know for sure there wasn't more to what he said. There is nothing worse than taking a sentence out of context and splashing it all around to get people excited about something.
Not enough info for me, I'm not a guesser when it comes to incomplete thoughts.
cloudhugger Survey Central SubscriberSilver Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 17-Apr-2008 5:48pm  

She kinda sounded like she was preparing to back away, I listened to the news this morning. Unless the news was picking and choosing the pieces and parts, and swaying the thought patterning, she looked a tad bit out of control. And this was in Michigan, a Hillary state. Yuck, it's icky to just even type that. It was about who could beat the Republicans better, he or she.
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 5:57pm  

I ask you why is this country importing workers, and exporting our jobs, importing people who will be a burden on the taxpayers? The enemy within wants to destroy us. Overpopulation, mixing cultures, races causes confusion, and strife....the enemy knows it, Satan is the god of confusion.
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 5:59pm  

Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained in terrorist schools, his mother a socialist....need I say more? If Americans vote for him, they get what they deserve.
Van
(reply to LJD) posted 17-Apr-2008 6:02pm  

He's Christian.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 17-Apr-2008 6:14pm  

> He's crooked. He's black and from Illinois.
> That says it all.

Ignorance and arrogance all in one package; how convenient for you.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 17-Apr-2008 6:15pm  

> Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained
> in terrorist schools, his mother a socialist....need
> I say more? If Americans vote for him, they get
> what they deserve.

Actually, he's a Christian, his father left when he was only 2, I don't know what his mother's politics are.

You are lying lying, LYING sack of racist crap.

Need I say more?
cerealkiller Bronze Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 17-Apr-2008 6:19pm  

Ahh, you aren't from Illinois (I am) so you wouldn't understand. 1. Illinois has the most crooked politics anywhere. 2. There's no way a black man in Illinois could get anywhere in politics without extreme crookedness, pay-offs and favors.

My wife isn't much on politics but even she came up with this one herself.

Plain and simple.
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 17-Apr-2008 6:45pm  

I think that workers have a lot of reason to be bitter.
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 7:26pm  

i think there is alot of truth to what he said and if you listen to or watch the video of the entire speech, it all makes sense in that context! i thought they made way too much out this statement.
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 17-Apr-2008 7:27pm  

> He's crooked. He's black and from Illinois. That says it all.

what??
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 17-Apr-2008 7:28pm  

> I ask you why is this country importing workers, and exporting our
> jobs, importing people who will be a burden on the taxpayers? The
> enemy within wants to destroy us. Overpopulation, mixing cultures,
> races causes confusion, and strife....the enemy knows it, Satan
> is the god of confusion.

WHAT?

jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to LJD) posted 17-Apr-2008 7:29pm  

> Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained in terrorist schools,
> his mother a socialist....need I say more? If Americans vote for
> him, they get what they deserve.

please, he is as american as you or i....... do you ever really research any of this stuff or just listen to the first thing you read or hear?
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 17-Apr-2008 7:32pm  

> Ahh, you aren't from Illinois (I am) so you wouldn't understand.
> 1. Illinois has the most crooked politics anywhere. 2. There's
> no way a black man in Illinois could get anywhere in politics without
> extreme crookedness, pay-offs and favors.

WOW, if that isn't the most wild generalization i don't know what is................. i am astounded by the craziness of this!

Melf Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 7:42pm  

Oh Jesus.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to cerealkiller) posted 17-Apr-2008 8:11pm  

> Ahh, you aren't from Illinois (I am) so you wouldn't
> understand. 1. Illinois has the most crooked
> politics anywhere. 2. There's no way a black
> man in Illinois could get anywhere in politics
> without extreme crookedness, pay-offs and favors.
>

Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. I follow politics regulary and have done so for 20 years; you are a cynical racist who makes snap judgements.

> My wife isn't much on politics but even she came
> up with this one herself.
>
> Plain and simple.

Simpleminded is more like it.
Crayons Bronze Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
posted 17-Apr-2008 8:56pm  

I remember someone on the internet explaining that to me about what he said and after that I was like "Oh, I see, that's perfectly right of him to say" but I forgot what he means there so I don't know but I love him.
Crayons Bronze Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 17-Apr-2008 8:57pm  

Bill, when was the last time I told you how much I love and respect you?
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 17-Apr-2008 9:11pm  

That it was a dumb thing to say and that he should learn to think before he speaks. I am not bothered by his comment one bit, though it wasn't very smart knowing a lot of people are.
Psychologo
posted 17-Apr-2008 9:59pm  

Obama RULES and i dare any one to say other wise, he should not be blame for what his paster said because if that was true then we should all get blame for what our religious leaders say, vote democrate
JessicaWoman99
posted 17-Apr-2008 11:25pm  

Barack Obama is a phony and a true liar and I have nothing good to say about McCain or Obama
JessicaWoman99
posted 17-Apr-2008 11:30pm  

This country of the U.S. gets what it deserves if people vote for McCain or Obama vote for a muslim or vote for
another George Bush we have not had enough of Bush
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 18-Apr-2008 12:42am  

> Barack Obama is a phony and a true liar

On what do you base this?
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 18-Apr-2008 12:44am  

> This country of the U.S. gets what it deserves
> if people vote for McCain or Obama vote for a
> muslim or vote for
> another George Bush we have not had enough of
> Bush

Obama is not a Muslim. For your statement to be true, he would've had to be indoctrinated as a todler ala The Manchurian Cnaiddate, then hold on to that for 40 YEARS and everything done in that time would be part of a program. Even L. Ron Hubbard would never write a story that ridiculous. For your bullcrap to be true, his father would've had to know over 4 decades ago that we'd have a Bush in the White Hosue getting us into a quagmiore in Iraq, and that there would be a mortgage crisis, etc. I know that as a Christian critical thought in anethema, but try to pretend you're a rational human being for once and think about what you're saying, assuming that won't make your skull collapse.
docgbrown
posted 18-Apr-2008 2:03am  

These comments felt short-sighted and disappointing. I felt like he was talking down to all of us who either like guns, believe in religion or are frustrated with the illegal immigration problem... I suspect he was running at the mouth and may or may not have fully believed all that he said in the way it was said. I sometimes misspeak and hope this was one incidence of him saying something that he really didn't mean how it sounded to mean.
RGirl
posted 18-Apr-2008 2:49am  

I think that wasn't a very smart thing for him to say. Insulting the people isn't usually how you go about winning them over. But he's right, bitter people cling to things like religion and hate and blame.
icurok Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Apr-2008 4:32am  

The truth hurts. But I don't know whether that's all he said or whether this is just the portion of the comment that has been extracted because it makes him look bad.

It's worth adding that these are honest people who deserve the opportunity to work. When politician after politician comes knocking on their door every four years promising to fix everything and then nothing happens, is it any wonder that they're bitter?
icurok Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 18-Apr-2008 5:14am  

She's not lying. At least not by her definition of lying. I don't know why you even bother trying to argue with her, I really don't. She's demonstrated time and again that she isn't interested in facts or being informed or being corrected. She isn't capable of thinking rationally and she's just too old to start questioning her own assumptions (which have decades of confirmation bias to back them up).

This demonstrates it perfectly. She said something that was incorrect, I informed her of the facts and she dismissed them because they weren't compatible with her 'feelings'. If you present someone with concrete proof that something is true and they still dismiss it because they 'feel' that it's not true, it's time to back away and save your breath.

PS - The same goes with Jessica (who if she is actually a real person and not a persona, would be lucky to hit the creationists section of the Family Guy IQ chart)

bill Survey Central Gold SubscriberSilver Star Survey Creator
(reply to Crayons) posted 18-Apr-2008 8:36am  

* love * *smile*

...kidding aside, I've been enjoying your comments and surveys. I'm glad you're hanging around here. You're cool. I love your avatar and I even checked out you drawings at deviantART, more coolness. I'm a member of the Crayons fan club.
Jody
posted 18-Apr-2008 9:16am  

I think what he says might be true about a lot more places than Pennsylvania.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to icurok) posted 18-Apr-2008 9:35am  

Yeah, I don't know why I bother either. *frown* The scary thing, there are a lot of people who think like her, and they have access to e-mail and they vote.
they Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Apr-2008 10:56am  

Sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher.

WAAAAh WAAH WAH WAH.

Who cares what these people say? It doesn't matter.
aquawolfy
posted 18-Apr-2008 3:48pm  

I don't think thats exactly true....... I'm pretty conservative so I'd be in the category of the small-towners
Crayons Bronze Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 18-Apr-2008 4:01pm  

Okay, now that just made my week. *grin*
aquawolfy
posted 18-Apr-2008 4:22pm  

In Obama's defense, anyone who thinks Obama is associated with terrorists because his name is Obama is plain stupid. People seem to forget that the names: Adam, Andrew, Sara, John, Issac and Jesse also originate from the middle-east. Do some research before making accusations idiots! I have nothing against any of the candidates. I don't give a crap what anyone thinks about it but, based on what I've gotten out of my religion, the one who does win is going to fudge up America real bad.... It's already started, just watch and see.
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to Van) posted 18-Apr-2008 8:30pm  

He may say he's Christian, I don't believe it. An acorn don't fall far from the tree. He's, I'm sure, had plenty of influence from his father, and mother....both subversives. You don't actually expect him to say he's a believer of Islam? As I've said if Americans can't see through Obama, well, I feel sorry for them.
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 18-Apr-2008 8:33pm  

I would suggest you look DEEP into Obama's background....

Frosty, you are a very naive child....need I say more?
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to jettles) posted 18-Apr-2008 8:35pm  

As the Bible says, Satan is the god of confusion. The enemy within this country has and is continuing to cause confusion.
LJD Bronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to jettles) posted 18-Apr-2008 9:29pm  

I have researched Obama....look at his background. Also, have you ever heard the teachings of his church preacher? I have a book, written by a black author, by the name of Manning Johnson, called "Color, Communism, and Common Sense". He said that the communists infiltrated the black churches, and most black preachers are communists. Try to read the book, a real eye opener. Mr. Johnson said he was led into the preachings, and was a communist for ten years, but left the communist party, as common sense set in. The black people, as well as, most people of color are fed nonsense, are literally being used. The one world elitists couldn't give a damn about them, or any of us...just use people. The enemy wants to cause confusion for diversion, wants to cause class clash, and racial strife.
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 18-Apr-2008 9:51pm  

"Barack Obama is a phony and a true liar and I have nothing good to say about McCain or Obama"

Could it be because Hillary is the woman in the race and you obviously despise men.
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 18-Apr-2008 9:53pm  

Then that would make him a Christan communist, not a Muslim. Muslims and communists hate one another. Opps, there goes your argument.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 18-Apr-2008 10:23pm  

> |> Barack Obama is a phony and a true liar
>
> On what do you base this?

By what I know and what i see , what I hear going around the planet and back and all the dirt being dug up on
Barack Obama and McCain is all truth that has come to the surface and to light

The truth cannot be buried and just put away no it will sting them both , may the truth be known around the world

Barack Obama and McCain both have a very long history of corruption
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 18-Apr-2008 10:28pm  

> |> This country of the U.S. gets what it deserves
> |> if people vote for McCain or Obama vote for a
> |> muslim or vote for
> |> another George Bush we have not had enough of
> |> Bush
>
> Obama is not a Muslim. For your statement to be true, he would've
> had to be indoctrinated as a todler ala The Manchurian Cnaiddate,
> then hold on to that for 40 YEARS and everything done in that time
> would be part of a program. Even L. Ron Hubbard would never write
> a story that ridiculous. For your bullcrap to be true, his father
> would've had to know over 4 decades ago that we'd have a Bush in the
> White Hosue getting us into a quagmiore in Iraq, and that there would
> be a mortgage crisis, etc. I know that as a Christian critical thought
> in anethema, but try to pretend you're a rational human being for
> once and think about what you're saying, assuming that won't make
> your skull collapse.

Yes Obama really is Muslim and Obama has been in terrorist training camps before and I think it was your skull
that collapsed oh just heard it go squash and splat
JessicaWoman99
posted 18-Apr-2008 10:32pm  

Yes Frosty you need to go back to school and learn a lot more before you Graduate you are not very bright
JessicaWoman99
(reply to southernyankee) posted 18-Apr-2008 10:37pm  

> "Barack Obama is a phony and a true liar and I have nothing good to
> say about McCain or Obama"
>
> Could it be because Hillary is the woman in the race and you obviously
> despise men.

No I do not despise men nor am I prejudiced against men , I am just a bit smarter in what i know these days and a
bit wiser and how I was raised go do your math
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 18-Apr-2008 11:04pm  

Your previous surveys point otherwise. Anywho, you're so smart yet you still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Hym.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to southernyankee) posted 19-Apr-2008 12:02am  

> Your previous surveys point otherwise. Anywho, you're so smart yet
> you still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Hym.

I guess your convinced and you need to be right all the time
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 12:57am  

> I would suggest you look DEEP into Obama's background....
>
> Frosty, you are a very naive child....need I say
> more?

By "look deep" of course you mean make crap up. You see, I have looked into his background. That's why I'm voting for him. A naieve child you say? Coming from the woman who says flat out she ignores facts that don't conform to her narrow worldview that means absolutely nothing.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 12:58am  

> He may say he's Christian, I don't believe it.
> An acorn don't fall far from the tree. He's,
> I'm sure, had plenty of influence from his father,
> and mother....both subversives.

He hardly knew his father, and youa re flat out lying about the mother. Why do you do that? Don't lairs go to Hell or something?

> You don't actually
> expect him to say he's a believer of Islam? As
> I've said if Americans can't see through Obama,
> well, I feel sorry for them.

They can't see through him becuase he is opaque.

Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 12:58am  

> As the Bible says, Satan is the god of confusion.
> The enemy within this country has and is continuing
> to cause confusion.

Well, seeing as you are clearly confused about reality...
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:00am  

> I have researched Obama....look at his background.
> Also, have you ever heard the teachings of his
> church preacher? I have a book, written by a
> black author, by the name of Manning Johnson,
> called "Color, Communism, and Common Sense".
> He said that the communists infiltrated the black
> churches, and most black preachers are communists.
> Try to read the book, a real eye opener.

Then why did you read it?

> Mr.
> Johnson said he was led into the preachings, and
> was a communist for ten years, but left the communist
> party, as common sense set in. The black people,
> as well as, most people of color are fed nonsense,
> are literally being used. The one world elitists
> couldn't give a damn about them, or any of us...just
> use people. The enemy wants to cause confusion
> for diversion, wants to cause class clash, and
> racial strife.

No, that's you.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to southernyankee) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:00am  

> Then that would make him a Christan communist,
> not a Muslim. Muslims and communists hate one
> another. Opps, there goes your argument.

Dude, big mistake using logic. *laughing out loud*
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:02am  

> |> |> Barack Obama is a phony and a true
> liar
> |>
> |> On what do you base this?
>
> By what I know and what i see , what I hear going
> around the planet and back and all the dirt being
> dug up on
> Barack Obama and McCain is all truth that has
> come to the surface and to light
>

Dirt that has been shot down, not that proof matters to you, and of course you can't site anything. Typical Christian; can't win an argument, make crap up.

> The truth cannot be buried and just put away no
> it will sting them both , may the truth be known
> around the world
>
> Barack Obama and McCain both have a very long
> history of corruption

McCain yes, Obama no, you are a liar and a bigot, please go to wahtever hell you may beleive in becuase you offer nothing of value to this country, this world, or this species.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:03am  

> Yes Frosty you need to go back to school and learn
> a lot more before you Graduate you are not very
> bright

*ROFLMAO* Wow, that's a bit like being called a spoiled whore by Paris Hilton isn't it? I am in school idiot, I share my college essays here from time to time. Check the forums, if your Bible-adled brain can figure out how.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:05am  

> |> Your previous surveys point otherwise.
> Anywho, you're so smart yet
> |> you still believe that Obama is a Muslim.
> Hym.
>
> I guess your convinced and you need to be right
> all the time

He IS right. SoYa and I disagree on a lot, but here he is 110% spot on. And it's you're not your. Your is a possesive. You're means you are.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:06am  

> |> |> This country of the U.S. gets what
> it deserves
> |> |> if people vote for McCain or Obama
> vote for a
> |> |> muslim or vote for
> |> |> another George Bush we have not had
> enough of
> |> |> Bush
> |>
> |> Obama is not a Muslim. For your statement
> to be true, he would've
> |> had to be indoctrinated as a todler ala
> The Manchurian Cnaiddate,
> |> then hold on to that for 40 YEARS and everything
> done in that time
> |> would be part of a program. Even L. Ron
> Hubbard would never write
> |> a story that ridiculous. For your bullcrap
> to be true, his father
> |> would've had to know over 4 decades ago
> that we'd have a Bush in the
> |> White Hosue getting us into a quagmiore
> in Iraq, and that there would
> |> be a mortgage crisis, etc. I know that as
> a Christian critical thought
> |> in anethema, but try to pretend you're a
> rational human being for
> |> once and think about what you're saying,
> assuming that won't make
> |> your skull collapse.
>
> Yes Obama really is Muslim and Obama has been
> in terrorist training camps before and I think
> it was your skull
> that collapsed oh just heard it go squash and
> splat

Um, no he hasn't. It can be proven, unlike your "god." if my skull ever collapses, it'll be beucase some Christian freakshow like you will have a breakdown when s/he finally relaizes they've been living a lie, and they will resort to violence in a vain attempt to hold onto their myths.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:10am  

> |> |> |> Barack Obama is a phony and a true
> |> liar
> |> |>
> |> |> On what do you base this?
> |>
> |> By what I know and what i see , what I hear going
> |> around the planet and back and all the dirt being
> |> dug up on
> |> Barack Obama and McCain is all truth that has
> |> come to the surface and to light
> |>
>
> Dirt that has been shot down, not that proof matters to you, and of
> course you can't site anything. Typical Christian; can't win an argument,
> make crap up.
>
> |> The truth cannot be buried and just put away no
> |> it will sting them both , may the truth be known
> |> around the world
> |>
> |> Barack Obama and McCain both have a very long
> |> history of corruption
>
> McCain yes, Obama no, you are a liar and a bigot, please go to wahtever
> hell you may beleive in becuase you offer nothing of value to this
> country, this world, or this species.

Like Jean LJD has said about you Frosty you are very biased may I say no more to a computer
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:12am  

> |> I would suggest you look DEEP into Obama's background....
> |>
> |> Frosty, you are a very naive child....need I say
> |> more?
>
> By "look deep" of course you mean make crap up. You see, I have looked
> into his background. That's why I'm voting for him. A naieve child
> you say? Coming from the woman who says flat out she ignores facts
> that don't conform to her narrow worldview that means absolutely nothing.

Frosty you cannot see beyond your face the grudges you hold against other people and how stubborn mule you
are
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:15am  

> |> |> Your previous surveys point otherwise.
> |> Anywho, you're so smart yet
> |> |> you still believe that Obama is a Muslim.
> |> Hym.
> |>
> |> I guess your convinced and you need to be right
> |> all the time
>
> He IS right. SoYa and I disagree on a lot, but here he is 110% spot
> on. And it's you're not your. Your is a possesive. You're means you
> are.

So you are a walking living computer know it all and your brain is so sharp it never misses anything tisk tisk
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:17am  

> |> Yes Frosty you need to go back to school and learn
> |> a lot more before you Graduate you are not very
> |> bright
>
> *ROFLMAO* Wow, that's a bit like being called a spoiled whore by Paris
> Hilton isn't it? I am in school idiot, I share my college essays here
> from time to time. Check the forums, if your Bible-adled brain can
> figure out how.

Oh so you are in school Kindergarten wow how smart what a genius
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:21am  

Pot, meet kettle.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:22am  

Are you even aware of the fact that these things you say about me apply more to you and LJD? Are you at familiar with the concept of projection?
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:25am  

Never said any such thing, and you well know it. When you have to resort to such cheap shots, you are only demonstrating that you yourself know you are wrong. Tell me, what soruce other than biased hate groups and LJD do you have for Obama being a Muslim, apart from his name?
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 1:27am  

College actually. Sophmore year, 3.33 GPA. You see, lying does not help your case. With each lie you tell, I become even more right than I already was. In fact, you could do a lot more to hurt my case by finding tangable proof of this stuff you spew and presenting in a non-psychotic religious nut fashion. That is I should say, if such proof existed, which it does not. E-mail smear campaigns do not count.
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to docgbrown) posted 19-Apr-2008 8:19am  

> These comments felt short-sighted and disappointing. I felt like he
> was talking down to all of us who either like guns, believe in religion
> or are frustrated with the illegal immigration problem... I suspect
> he was running at the mouth and may or may not have fully believed
> all that he said in the way it was said. I sometimes misspeak and
> hope this was one incidence of him saying something that he really
> didn't mean how it sounded to mean.

and you see, i didn't take it as a generalization to all that have guns, are frustrated with immigration. i took it as the people who use their guns in frustration or are frustrated and act out in some way towards all people who are different from them, citizens or not. it sounds different in the "sound bites" played on the news than if you listen to the whole.

jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 8:27am  

> The truth cannot be buried and just put away no it will sting them
> both , may the truth be known around the world

WHAT???



southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 19-Apr-2008 11:08am  

lol

Yeah, good point.
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 11:13am  

"Like Jean LJD has said about you Frosty you are very biased may I say no more to a computer"

Who isn't biased in this world? Show me one person who isn't biased.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to jettles) posted 19-Apr-2008 4:16pm  

> |> The truth cannot be buried and just put away no it will sting
> them
> |> both , may the truth be known around the world
>
> WHAT???
>
>
>
>

Oh just a little fun! with Frosty the snowman tee hee
jettles Survey Central SubscriberSurvey Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 4:29pm  

none of what you are saying makes any sense and it doesn't seem fun............... if you truly are a hillary fan you must recognize her shortcomings as well. i just don't understand what you are trying to say.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to jettles) posted 19-Apr-2008 4:39pm  

> none of what you are saying makes any sense and it doesn't seem fun...............
> if you truly are a hillary fan you must recognize her shortcomings
> as well. i just don't understand what you are trying to say.

But it is fun and Hillary Clinton she has no shortcomings in my opinion , Barack Obama has plenty of shortcomings
and he is a muslim that I know and McCain is the other George Bush and how we vote in November is what we
we get and deserve
Yes it is good to have a sense of humour no matter how bad it is and what keeps us alive
JessicaWoman99
posted 19-Apr-2008 4:40pm  

"If you Cannot Take the Heat in the kitchen then get out"
Melf Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 4:59pm  

Even if Obama was Muslim, which he apparently isn't (I've not researched it myself, but seeing as SY and Frostbrand seem to have researched it, I'll trust them over you and LJD), why would that be such a big problem for you?
JessicaWoman99
(reply to jettles) posted 19-Apr-2008 5:01pm  

> |> The truth cannot be buried and just put away no it will sting
> them
> |> both , may the truth be known around the world
>
> WHAT???
>
>
>
>

Well here is some truth about Obama working and supporting a terrorist group?
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa...

Hillary Clinton she would love this about Obama and hey there is plenty more on Barack Obama and who on
earth would vote somebody for President when they were involved with terrorists??
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Melf) posted 19-Apr-2008 5:07pm  

> Even if Obama was Muslim, which he apparently isn't (I've not researched
> it myself, but seeing as SY and Frostbrand seem to have researched
> it, I'll trust them over you and LJD), why would that be such a big
> problem for you?

Not only that Melrfaz but look at this about Obama working with terrorist in 2002 >
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa...
Barack Obama worked and supported terrorist

Obama is a racist
JessicaWoman99
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 5:14pm  

> Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained in terrorist schools,
> his mother a socialist....need I say more? If Americans vote for
> him, they get what they deserve.

Hey Jean yes you can say more about Obama he worked and supported terrorist group
and look at this http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa...
JessicaWoman99
(reply to LJD) posted 19-Apr-2008 5:35pm  

> Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained in terrorist schools,
> his mother a socialist....need I say more? If Americans vote for
> him, they get what they deserve.

Obama comes from a Muslim family both his dad and stepdad were Muslim Jean
http://www.jtf.org/
Jews against Obama
This basically sums it up against Obama supporting terrorists and being racist and Obama is a Muslim
JessicaWoman99
(reply to jettles) posted 19-Apr-2008 5:43pm  

> |> Obama is a Muslim, the son of a father trained in terrorist
> schools,
> |> his mother a socialist....need I say more? If Americans vote
> for
> |> him, they get what they deserve.
>
> please, he is as american as you or i....... do you ever really research
> any of this stuff or just listen to the first thing you read or hear?
>

Jettles look at this Obama comes from a Muslim family both his dad and stepdad are Muslim and Obama is Muslim
and Obama is racist against the Jewish People and Obama has worked and supported terrorists
facts speak for themselves http://www.jtf.org/
Melf Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 6:21pm  

Totally missed my question, there.

Working with terrorists, I mean, really. It's the fuzziest article - and there are no quotes from him either, which means you're believing this entirely one sided argument. Do you never question these things?

What about the rest of the website - if the related articles are to be believed, Obama had a drugs binge and 'homo sex' (their words, not mine) back in 1999. This was just before he got involved with the terrorists (something his aide wants for himself, and don't forget his best friend and 'spiritual advisor' doesn't like whites. Obama himself is far more concerned with Africa than God, too). Now he spends his time subscribing to anti-semitist magazines, and paying women to faint. There's also the possibility he's brainwashing the young.

Now, ask yourself, if all this is true, how is it increasingly likely that he's going to be the DEMOCRATIC nomination for the election?
JessicaWoman99
(reply to jettles) posted 19-Apr-2008 6:48pm  

> |> Ahh, you aren't from Illinois (I am) so you wouldn't understand.
>
> |> 1. Illinois has the most crooked politics anywhere. 2. There's
> |> no way a black man in Illinois could get anywhere in politics
> without
> |> extreme crookedness, pay-offs and favors.
>
> WOW, if that isn't the most wild generalization i don't know what
> is................. i am astounded by the craziness of this!
>
>

John McCain had ties to the mafia and McCain is dirty crooked has he can be
http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Melf) posted 19-Apr-2008 6:53pm  

> Totally missed my question, there.
>
> Working with terrorists, I mean, really. It's the fuzziest article
> - and there are no quotes from him either, which means you're believing
> this entirely one sided argument. Do you never question these things?
>
>
> What about the rest of the website - if the related articles are to
> be believed, Obama had a drugs binge and 'homo sex' (their words,
> not mine) back in 1999. This was just before he got involved with
> the terrorists (something his aide wants for himself, and don't forget
> his best friend and 'spiritual advisor' doesn't like whites. Obama
> himself is far more concerned with Africa than God, too). Now he spends
> his time subscribing to anti-semitist magazines, and paying women
> to faint. There's also the possibility he's brainwashing the young.
>
> Now, ask yourself, if all this is true, how is it increasingly likely
> that he's going to be the DEMOCRATIC nomination for the election?

No nobody is going to lie about their past and think they can simply brush it aside it does not work that way , plus
Barack Obama will sell out America to Iran and this is all real and credible as it can be
Melf Survey Central SubscriberBronze Star Survey CreatorGold Qualifier
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 6:57pm  

Ah, fudge it.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Melf) posted 19-Apr-2008 6:57pm  

> Totally missed my question, there.
>
> Working with terrorists, I mean, really. It's the fuzziest article
> - and there are no quotes from him either, which means you're believing
> this entirely one sided argument. Do you never question these things?
>
>
> What about the rest of the website - if the related articles are to
> be believed, Obama had a drugs binge and 'homo sex' (their words,
> not mine) back in 1999. This was just before he got involved with
> the terrorists (something his aide wants for himself, and don't forget
> his best friend and 'spiritual advisor' doesn't like whites. Obama
> himself is far more concerned with Africa than God, too). Now he spends
> his time subscribing to anti-semitist magazines, and paying women
> to faint. There's also the possibility he's brainwashing the young.
>
> Now, ask yourself, if all this is true, how is it increasingly likely
> that he's going to be the DEMOCRATIC nomination for the election?

And John McCain had ties with the mafia http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
gambler Double Gold Star Survey CreatorSurvey Qualifier
posted 19-Apr-2008 8:44pm  

*shrugs*
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to JessicaWoman99) posted 19-Apr-2008 11:44pm  

> |> none of what you are saying makes any sense
> and it doesn't seem fun...............
> |> if you truly are a hillary fan you must
> recognize her shortcomings
> |> as well. i just don't understand what you
> are trying to say.
>
> But it is fun and Hillary Clinton she has no shortcomings
> in my opinion , Barack Obama has plenty of sh