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LindaH    | | posted 4-Apr-2008 10:34pm |
Maybe a little, indirectly. Those times my behavior is a reflection of my beliefs, sometimes I'll catch grief for the behavior. I have to put up with objections, maintain my pride, and offer no apologies. |
| kcthedog | | posted 5-Apr-2008 12:08am |
A belief will not cause suffering; it is the disbelief that causes the suffering |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 5-Apr-2008 12:40am |
No do not suffer for anything |
| LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 5-Apr-2008 12:42am |
? |
| kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 5-Apr-2008 12:47am |
> ?
Suffering comes when you try to convince an unbeliever to believe in what you believe. |
icurok  | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 5-Apr-2008 3:44am |
Unbelief or incompatible belief |
bill  |
Essentially, no... or, I don't think so. Perhaps, I delude myself such that I'm not fully aware of it.
Vaguely, I assume it's true that I don't believe I'm capable of doing some things and this holds me back, in a sense. Though, this may just be a form of laziness and certainly "suffer" seems like too strong a word. |
| justjulie |
yes, because i'm weird. because others cannot see what i can see, therefore do not believe in what i see, thus calling craziness on me because they cannot see...blasted-blessings. I wouldn't say that i suffer though, i'm more just frustrated and isolated |
| justjulie | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 5-Apr-2008 8:56am |
> A belief will not cause suffering; it is the disbelief that causes
> the suffering
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| Lahdee | | (reply to justjulie) posted 5-Apr-2008 9:18am |
> yes, because i'm weird. because others cannot
> see what i can see, therefore do not believe
> in what i see, thus calling craziness on
> me because they cannot see...blasted-blessings.
> I wouldn't say that i suffer though, i'm
> more just frustrated and isolated
I think a lot of people are intolerant of others personal beliefs. I have spiritual convictions and different standards of living my life. People from all different sides don't understand, so I get slack. If I respect thier way of life, they should respect mine, but they misconstrew my motives or something and refuse to try to understand. |
| romkey |
No, I suffer as a result of other people's beliefs. |
| Crayons |
I suffer as a result of severe cramps. |
| Biggles |
Not really. At least, I think I gain more because of my beliefs than I lose. |
they  |
I said yes, but I don't know if suffer is a great word for it.
I feel like I hate to hide my atheism and my politics. It's not fair. |
| justjulie | | (reply to Lahdee) posted 6-Apr-2008 8:55am |
i do so agree, and i do so understand... |
| LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 6-Apr-2008 11:05am |
It also comes from trying to convince others to tolerate you. |
| thecomic22 |
No. |
Galomorro  |
Well, I used to get in trouble for not being overly impressed by authority, like teachers and bosses. I've been yelled at because I violated a certain boss's overly strict dress code cuz I don't believe in any kind of dress codes along as one gets their work done (as in office dress codes - not speaking of such things like police uniforms). Maybe you're speaking of some other kind of "beliefs?" Having strong liberalish beliefs and being eccentric and inclined towards hippieness is a good reason to live where I do, in a large West Coast city where there are lots of other individualistic and strange humans about. |
| LindaH | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:48pm |
I ought to move. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to LindaH) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:50pm |
Where do you live now? I may have read once but have forgotten. |
| LindaH | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:51pm |
Anchorage, AK |
| Galomorro | | (reply to LindaH) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:52pm |
That is a huge city, though, right? Aren't there a lot of alternative lifestyles there these days? |
| LindaH | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:53pm |
It's pretty diverse, but there's not much as far as jobs for people who refuse to be phony. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to LindaH) posted 6-Apr-2008 2:56pm |
Well one has to be phony at work most of the time anyway, I guess, unless one is lucky enough to find a job they really like. I never found that in a job so had to take what I could get. It all depends on what you're looking for I guess, and I assume jobs are difficult to find most places these days anyway... I have heard that CA's unemployment insurance is the lowest in the US and I believe it. And the rents in CA (as well as in NYC) are unbelievable these days. |
| Melf | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 6-Apr-2008 4:38pm |
I don't really know what I meant by 'beliefs', but your example, about dress codes, is the sort of thing I meant. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to Melf) posted 6-Apr-2008 6:18pm |
O good. I was thinking maybe you could mean a person belongs to a certain religion and people hassle 'em because of it -- as in when 9/11 happened and American Muslims got hassled even though they didn't do anything to deserve it. |
| Irene007 |
Fudge no! I'm fickle and wishy-washy, so.... |
| kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 7-Apr-2008 4:04pm |
> It also comes from trying to convince others
> to tolerate you.
Heart felt beliefs IMO are safer kept to oneself because if it is not science and your ideas cannot be quantified and they remain only concepts or ideals however true they may be, others that do not share your view may not consider tolerating your ideals or beliefs and feel threatened that your ideology infringes upon their ideology and this where the suffering comes in. Feeling threatened by different concepts or beliefs has been and continues to be the cause of genocide and religious wars through out history. So trying to convince someone to tolerate your beliefs can likely bring you suffering.
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| LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 7-Apr-2008 4:40pm |
Yep. The same can be said for engaging in behaviors that others don't want to tolerate. There's going to be suffering in either case. |
| kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 7-Apr-2008 5:08pm |
> Yep. The same can be said for engaging in
> behaviors that others don't want to tolerate.
> There's going to be suffering in either case.
Back in the day (my day) a lot of innocent activity was not tolerated and it did cause a lot of suffering, this all is because of fear and misunderstanding. In a country that calls itself the “Land of the Free” there are still limits what people feel comfortable with in their communities. The tolerance level of a society is a gauge of the intellectual and spiritual development of the people and their ability to objectively except behavior that is not expected or understood. Fear is IMO is a reactive state caused by the lack of information or experience in something that appears strange. Fear is the cause of the suffering.
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| LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 7-Apr-2008 5:10pm |
We still have a way to go in that regard. |
| kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 7-Apr-2008 5:20pm |
Yup! |
| Iseult |
Neither. I try not to suffer. |
| RGirl |
Yes, I should be able to marry and a lot of people have an issue with that. |
| cloudhugger |
My beliefs strongly encourage not suffering.
<=recovering Catholic |
| Enigma |
Yeah all the time. People take me on because I own guns, because I'm Catholic, because I don't act my age, because I am who I am. No different from anyone else we all go through it so what. |
| aquawolfy | | posted 18-Apr-2008 5:00pm |
I believe the end is coming soon. |
| Enheduanna | | posted 19-Apr-2008 12:49pm |
No more so than the average person, anyway. |
