How can you think there is no god?. .dosent the bible have enough evidence for you?
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| The world makes up all these explanations for why there is no god.I think iits about time we stand up and prove them wronge. what do you think? |
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Enheduanna  | | posted 19-Jan-2008 12:49pm |
What do I think? I think you're trying to find proof for a matter of faith. Faith doesn't require evidence or proof. That's why it's called faith, not science.
I also think that the Bible is a collection of stories and poems written by people, not evidence for the existence of god. | | moviesnob | | posted 19-Jan-2008 1:01pm |
How did this get past qual? | | Biggles | | posted 19-Jan-2008 1:04pm |
The God of the Bible is brutal, petty, unforgiving, genocidal, egotistic and contradictory. He is a monster. If He existed, I would not worship Him, I would despise Him.
Fortunately, I have no reason to believe that God really exists as the evidence strongly suggests that He does not. The Bible provides no good evidence for the existence of God, while its many contradictions provide good evidence that it does not have a divine origin. The main concepts of Christianity are riddled with holes, and the dogma that has arisen to try and cover them up is frequently ridiculous and akin to trying to fight one's way out of a non-existent paper bag by adding yet another non-existent paper bag. Devout theologians throughout the ages have acknowledged this, time and time again - that is why the major religions all hold faith (belief in the absence of, or contradicted by evidence) to be such a virtue. Even they could not look at the available evidence - be it Biblical, scientific or reasoned deduction - and use it to prove that God existed.
If you think that you can do better, please go ahead. If you can't, please stop baiting atheists. We will win  | jettles  | | posted 19-Jan-2008 1:06pm |
how did this get through??? | | Amanda | | posted 19-Jan-2008 1:10pm |
While I believe in God, I can think of many reasons why a person wouldn't. I've gone through periods where I didn't. I'm also not going to set out to prove anything to anyone. I don't think you can prove there is a God. If someone doesn't believe in God, that has nothing to do with me. That's their personal decision and I'm not about to try to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. I certainly don't want anyone trying to do that to me. Now, if someone asks me about my beliefs, I'll talk to them about it. If that doesn't happen, I keep my personal beliefs and opinions to myself. | southernyankee  | | posted 19-Jan-2008 2:02pm |
um, k 
Not that there aren't good arguments for the existence of God/afterlife that can be made, but the Bible is just not one of them. | | Frostbrand | | posted 19-Jan-2008 2:24pm |
How the hell did this get through? | Galomorro  | | posted 19-Jan-2008 3:19pm |
No I don't think the Bible has enough "evidence." It's quite easy for me to think there's no "god." Why should I believe what some people wrote long ago and/or what other people tell me now? I think for myself. The Bible is also written in a way that makes it difficult to understand these days, and there are also various ways to interpret it. | bill   | | posted 19-Jan-2008 3:28pm |
There is no God and we are His prophets. | | Crayons | | posted 19-Jan-2008 3:55pm |
I simply don't care for organized religion, alrighty then. But the whole god existing think just seems like it runs around in circles. Almost any question we have can be explained with 'Because of Love, the Devil, or you'll find out then you die" which doesn't help much at all, honestly. | | smurf | | posted 19-Jan-2008 4:01pm |
I simply cannot believe this got thru qual. Where have the basic standards for appropriate surveys gone?
Spelling, grammar, punctuation, appropriate category, leading question, answers own question, assumes peoples' beliefs, ... etc. What's the point of qual again 
Crikey! | | ausfox | | posted 19-Jan-2008 4:07pm |
Not with you on this one, sorry | | thecomic22 | | posted 19-Jan-2008 4:30pm |
I believe in a higher power, but thats me. | | JessicaWoman99 | | posted 19-Jan-2008 6:01pm |
Yes there is a God and Jesus and I do believe and the bible does prove it indeed and over in the holy land
from Israel , and Iraq is where Jesus walked and science has helped prove the bible to be true
and the word of God
Just take a walk through the holy land and see for yourself , I know some Pastors that have been over there
the holy land is rich with history from the bible from Noah's Ark to Adam & Eve to John the Baptist | | JessicaWoman99 |
> How the hell did this get through?
You just said it Hell ? | | JessicaWoman99 | | posted 19-Jan-2008 6:06pm |
Wow a miracle from the Lord God himself and why this got through qualification praise God !
with God all things are very possible indeed | | Melf | | posted 19-Jan-2008 7:24pm |
How can you think there is no God? Doesn't the Bible have enough evidence for you? What about the Qur'an, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Book of Mormon? What, are you ignorant or something? | | Melf | | posted 19-Jan-2008 7:50pm |
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson | | they | | posted 19-Jan-2008 9:13pm |
Wow.
Just wow.
| | they | | posted 19-Jan-2008 9:15pm |
I freaking  all you atheists. | | LJD | | posted 19-Jan-2008 9:19pm |
Bible prophesy is unfolding before our eyes. My faith in God has never waivered. | | labjog | | (reply to Biggles) posted 19-Jan-2008 10:26pm |
Very well said Biggles. | | romkey | | posted 19-Jan-2008 10:31pm |
Go for it! Prove me wrong. Show me the evidence. | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to Melf) posted 19-Jan-2008 11:37pm |
> How can you think there is no God? Doesn't the Bible have enough evidence
> for you? What about the Qur'an, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Book of
> Mormon? What, are you ignorant or something?
Yes keep going | | JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LJD) posted 19-Jan-2008 11:42pm |
> Bible prophesy is unfolding before our eyes. My faith in God has
> never waivered.
Yes how very true indeed and we could very well be in the end times right now , everything in the bible is coming
to pass and little do they know that Jesus could come and take us away
Who would ever want to be left behind not me and I know where I stand | | southernyankee | | posted 20-Jan-2008 1:10am |
Hym. I see Jessica and LJD are in their alarmist state of mind. Speaking of alarmists, I wonder where Kristal Rose is. Didn't she say she would reply back Saturday (Holy Crap, thats, um, today).
The world is coming to an end. I repeat, the world is coming to an end. As it always was, as it always will be. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to LJD) posted 20-Jan-2008 2:35am |
> Bible prophesy is unfolding before our eyes.
> My faith in God has never waivered.
It "unfolds" every hundred years or so. | | cantilever | | posted 20-Jan-2008 5:29am |
There is no evidence in the bible; just a collection of heavily edited history texts (OT) and heavily edited musings of writers putting together a biography from oral histories. (NT) | | LJD |
God Bless You Jessica! | | LJD |
It is unfolding Frostbrand...I know you can see it....the time is nigh. I know I'll not live long enough to see the real bad times in the near future, but I know my children, grandchildren, the young will.
There is a depression on the way, planned by the evil doers, and one should try to prepare for it. If a person doesn't heed to God's wisdom, God's government, or feel they're enslaved by God's principles, his wise instruction, man is and continue to be enslaved by man's government, worldly government, an unjust government. | | justjulie | | posted 20-Jan-2008 9:52am |
beh... | | Frostbrand | | (reply to LJD) posted 20-Jan-2008 1:00pm |
No, we're headed for recession because people like you vote against your own economic interests because the people you vote for claim to be the most Christian, even though mere casual research shows that even as an Atheist I still have more in common with Christ than most of these people. If you're so sure the end times are coming, why not go lock yourself in that cave with the Rusian cult I've ben hearing about? | LindaH  |
When people talk about end times events unfolding, sometimes I can imagine those same words coming out of someone from decades ago. | | Frostbrand | | (reply to kayybird26) posted 20-Jan-2008 1:15pm |
| | Frostbrand | | (reply to LindaH) posted 20-Jan-2008 1:16pm |
Exactly. There are always end-timers running around. | | LJD |
No one knows exactly when the end will come, but we have to watch the signs....the end will come as a thief in the night. I can see and hear, as so many others can too. I am not in fear for myself, , I only worry for the young that will be up against it. The enemy wants to cause domestic racial strife in this country, for the easy kill. The enemy has no great love for the people, just using them.
I definitely feel we'll have a depression, I also heard it on TV this last week. They said a recession, then a depression. The 1920's depression was a well laid plan by the enemy....they are planning the same again, but this one will make the last one appear to be a simple sleigh ride. I say prepare for it. Try to avoid debt, and store food. The enemy said in the 1960's they'll bury us within, and they are succeeding, but I don't know about you, I'm not going down without a fight. When we allow a gambling organization like Wall Street, control things...that can be manipulated...we're bound to lose. There are those greedy people that can and will manipulate to favor themselves. We need to rid ourselves of the Federal Reserve, who are nothing more than greedy domestic and international bankers....bleeding us dry with usury. It's a sin. | | JessicaWoman99 |
> The last Christian died on the cross. - Nietzsche
>
> The worst thing that ever happened to Jesus of Nazareth, who was not
> white and was in fact a Palestinian Jew, was that his philosophy which
> while not perfect was certainly ahead of it's time was turned into
> a religion.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Mythical-Ch...
> http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Before-Christianity-Al...
Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, i and the Father are one no one comes to the Father but by me
the Trinity Father , Son and Holy Spirit | | Frostbrand | | (reply to LJD) posted 20-Jan-2008 2:53pm |
> No one knows exactly when the end will come, but
> we have to watch the signs....the end will come
> as a thief in the night. I can see and hear,
> as so many others can too. I am not in fear for
> myself, , I only worry for the young that will
> be up against it. The enemy wants to cause domestic
> racial strife in this country, for the easy kill.
> The enemy has no great love for the people, just
> using them.
The "signs" have been around longer than the people of SC have been alive combined. Face it, your holy book is a load of crap; a philosophy perverted and turned into a religion that devalues life.
> I definitely feel we'll have a depression, I also
> heard it on TV this last week. They said a recession,
> then a depression. The 1920's depression was
> a well laid plan by the enemy....they are planning
> the same again, but this one will make the last
> one appear to be a simple sleigh ride.
It was Right Wingers and Robber Barons who didn't believe in a social contract. It was only the unity we felt in fighting the Nazis combined with the more Socialist elements of the New Deal that puleld us out of it. If FDR though like you, we'd all be speaking German, asuming we weren't too hungry and sick to speak.
> I say
> prepare for it. Try to avoid debt, and store
> food. The enemy said in the 1960's they'll bury
> us within, and they are succeeding, but I don't
> know about you, I'm not going down without a fight.
You do know that the Soviet Union collapsed over a decade ago don't you?
> When we allow a gambling organization like Wall
> Street, control things...that can be manipulated...we're
> bound to lose. There are those greedy people
> that can and will manipulate to favor themselves.
> We need to rid ourselves of the Federal Reserve,
> who are nothing more than greedy domestic and
> international bankers....bleeding us dry with
> usury. It's a sin.
We need to regulate capitalism so it doesn't eat it's own tail like the ouroborus(sp?). | | Frostbrand |
> |> The last Christian died on the cross. -
> Nietzsche
> |>
> |> The worst thing that ever happened to Jesus
> of Nazareth, who was not
> |> white and was in fact a Palestinian Jew,
> was that his philosophy which
> |> while not perfect was certainly ahead of
> it's time was turned into
> |> a religion.
> |>
> |> http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Mythical-Ch...
> |> http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Before-Christianity-Al...
>
> Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,
> i and the Father are one no one comes to the Father
> but by me
> the Trinity Father , Son and Holy Spirit
No, the guys who came 100 years later to write the Bible said that. If you look at the facts, one can only reach the conclusion that the historical Christ was in fact a socialist. | | Frostbrand |
| | LJD |
I'll answer your post later....have a family gathering to go to....have a good day. | | JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> The last Christian died on the cross. -
> |> Nietzsche
> |> |>
> |> |> The worst thing that ever happened to Jesus
> |> of Nazareth, who was not
> |> |> white and was in fact a Palestinian Jew,
> |> was that his philosophy which
> |> |> while not perfect was certainly ahead of
> |> it's time was turned into
> |> |> a religion.
> |> |>
> |> |> http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Mythical-Ch...
> |> |> http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Before-Christianity-Al...
> |>
> |> Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,
> |> i and the Father are one no one comes to the Father
> |> but by me
> |> the Trinity Father , Son and Holy Spirit
>
> No, the guys who came 100 years later to write the Bible said that.
> If you look at the facts, one can only reach the conclusion that the
> historical Christ was in fact a socialist.
A socialist no I am not buying that because Jesus is the Son of Almighty God come down to earth to take away
sins of this world | | JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> The last Christian died on the cross. -
> |> Nietzsche
> |> |>
> |> |> The worst thing that ever happened to Jesus
> |> of Nazareth, who was not
> |> |> white and was in fact a Palestinian Jew,
> |> was that his philosophy which
> |> |> while not perfect was certainly ahead of
> |> it's time was turned into
> |> |> a religion.
> |> |>
> |> |> http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Mythical-Ch...
> |> |> http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Before-Christianity-Al...
> |>
> |> Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,
> |> i and the Father are one no one comes to the Father
> |> but by me
> |> the Trinity Father , Son and Holy Spirit
>
> No, the guys who came 100 years later to write the Bible said that.
> If you look at the facts, one can only reach the conclusion that the
> historical Christ was in fact a socialist.
Yes indeed Frostbrand and so sorry yes Jesus was in fact a socialist you are right on about this and something i
did not understand ? still he is the Son of God | | Frostbrand |
Nope, Jesus was a man who was killed by the same kind of people who today try to elect on his grave for trying to give the power to the have-nots. Just like Ghandi, or Dr. King, or Malcom X after he toned down his rhetoric.
And of course you have to buy the socialist part becuase a lot of that made it into the Bible. Seriously, there are chunks of that book that, when you take away the genocide, incest, and slavery, read like socialist tracts. | | mrmarm | | posted 20-Jan-2008 6:19pm |
WOAH, how did this get crap get through!? Instead of buying a bible, buy clue. | | JessicaWoman99 |
> Nope, Jesus was a man who was killed by the same kind of people who
> today try to elect on his grave for trying to give the power to the
> have-nots. Just like Ghandi, or Dr. King, or Malcom X after he toned
> down his rhetoric.
>
> And of course you have to buy the socialist part becuase a lot of
> that made it into the Bible. Seriously, there are chunks of that book
> that, when you take away the genocide, incest, and slavery, read like
> socialist tracts.
Yes Frostbrand I did look some of this up Jesus was in a way a socialist to help those in poverty and Jesus was
friendly with people and in good company of people
Jesus was many many things he was claimed to be a prophet of John the Baptist and of Nazareth of
Galilee he was a prophet Matthew 21:11
Mark 6:6 Jesus marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went around about the villages, teaching.
Luke 24:19 And said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which
was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.
Immanuel in the New Testament and Matthew 1:23 The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they
will call him Immanuel meaning God with us
Matthew 24 :When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home
as his wife. 25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
No Jesus was the Son of God who died for your sins and mine and all the sins of this ugly horrible world
the Romans crucified Jesus on the cross at Calvary the Roman government crucified Jesus
and I do know my bible pretty good and my bible does not lie | | JessicaWoman99 |
> |> No one knows exactly when the end will come, but
> |> we have to watch the signs....the end will come
> |> as a thief in the night. I can see and hear,
> |> as so many others can too. I am not in fear for
> |> myself, , I only worry for the young that will
> |> be up against it. The enemy wants to cause domestic
> |> racial strife in this country, for the easy kill.
> |> The enemy has no great love for the people, just
> |> using them.
>
> The "signs" have been around longer than the people of SC have been
> alive combined. Face it, your holy book is a load of crap; a philosophy
> perverted and turned into a religion that devalues life.
>
> |> I definitely feel we'll have a depression, I also
> |> heard it on TV this last week. They said a recession,
> |> then a depression. The 1920's depression was
> |> a well laid plan by the enemy....they are planning
> |> the same again, but this one will make the last
> |> one appear to be a simple sleigh ride.
>
> It was Right Wingers and Robber Barons who didn't believe in a social
> contract. It was only the unity we felt in fighting the Nazis combined
> with the more Socialist elements of the New Deal that puleld us out
> of it. If FDR though like you, we'd all be speaking German, asuming
> we weren't too hungry and sick to speak.
>
> |> I say
> |> prepare for it. Try to avoid debt, and store
> |> food. The enemy said in the 1960's they'll bury
> |> us within, and they are succeeding, but I don't
> |> know about you, I'm not going down without a fight.
>
> You do know that the Soviet Union collapsed over a decade ago don't
> you?
>
> |> When we allow a gambling organization like Wall
> |> Street, control things...that can be manipulated...we're
> |> bound to lose. There are those greedy people
> |> that can and will manipulate to favor themselves.
> |> We need to rid ourselves of the Federal Reserve,
> |> who are nothing more than greedy domestic and
> |> international bankers....bleeding us dry with
> |> usury. It's a sin.
>
> We need to regulate capitalism so it doesn't eat it's own tail like
> the ouroborus(sp?).
No the Holy Bible does not devalue life it is man who is so corrupt and man who rises above God thinking he
knows more than our Lord God does
It is the Lord God who created all life on earth , it is the Lord God who sent Jesus his only begotten son born
of a woman the virgin birth to die for you and me on that Cross at Calvary for my sins your sins Frostbrand and
all the sins of this whole world , this whole corrupt and sinful world and it all started after Adam and Eve
dis-obeyed God in the garden and ate the fruit just like mankind is doing right not dis-obeying the Lord God
and thinking God does not exist fools they are and fools they will be in the end when Jesus comes
back to take those of us home who believe in him he is the Son of God and all he is
Some will wake up in that place called HELL"
they will realize their mistake of saying no to the Almighty Lord God and regret it for ever yes for ever and only you
will know this.
While the rest of God,s flock is up there with Jesus in heaven and having a party for all the Saints who have
made it to glory and honor say what you want , but my Bible tells the truth and the whole truth so help me God | | Frostbrand |
Your Bible doesn't lie? OK, then how do you explain the internal inconsistencies, such as when it says that God never changes his mind, then later on he does? What about the prophecies that never came true, and cant (see the Forum thread)? | | Frostbrand |
Your cult tells us we are born bad and that we are worthless and all the good stuff happens after we die. That to me is devaluing human life. And which garden of eden are you speaking? The one in Iraq where crimes against humanity are being committed in our names, or the one in Missouri (Mormons)? | | JessicaWoman99 |
> Your Bible doesn't lie? OK, then how do you explain the internal inconsistencies,
> such as when it says that God never changes his mind, then later on
> he does? What about the prophecies that never came true, and cant
> (see the Forum thread)?
Well let me explain go to Habakkuk look at 1:11 Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend
imputing this his power unto his god.
12 Art thou not from everlasting. O Lord my God, mine Holy one? we shall not die. O Lord, thou hast ordained them
for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
And prophecies have come true and many more are coming true we are seeing the Mark of the Beast the
electronic microchip in pets and some humans are now getting this like our children so they can be found quickly
And wars are happening all over the world and terrorism and mothers against daughters is in the bible
| | JessicaWoman99 |
> Your cult tells us we are born bad and that we are worthless and all
> the good stuff happens after we die. That to me is devaluing human
> life. And which garden of eden are you speaking? The one in Iraq where
> crimes against humanity are being committed in our names, or the one
> in Missouri (Mormons)?
Yes the Garden of Eden in Iraq and poisend by man and by war and we are born sinners into this world and why
we all need a Saviour and none of us are worthless at all unless you choose to be | | Iseult | | posted 20-Jan-2008 10:33pm |
No, surprisingly enough it doesn't. | | kcthedog | | posted 20-Jan-2008 11:26pm |
I definitely believe in god, but I do not think that modern man can extrapolate proof from the Bible. The bible is a wonderful book and is filled with truths, but IMO god is not just a Christian god , he is the god of creation. | | kcthedog | | posted 20-Jan-2008 11:40pm |
For a poorly written survey it is getting a lot of mileage. Personally it is a topic I would love to expand on, and have considered creating a survey about questions I have about faith, and the lack of it. My fear is that persons would not have the ability to be objective and open minded enough to have a civil and open conversation after all it is a sensitive subject. My question to you all, is it possible to have a conversation and an exchange of idea without shoving personal beliefs down someone throat?
| | LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:43pm |
I'm not really sure what the difference is between stating an opinion, and 'shoving your opinion down someone's throat'. I always thought that was a kind of defensive saying. | | kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:51pm |
One is passive and one is aggressive. | | LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:53pm |
So I guess doing it passive-aggressively would be 'stating your opinion down their throat'?
(sorry) | | kcthedog | | (reply to LindaH) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:54pm |
Your silly! | | kcthedog | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:55pm |
I love silly! | | kcthedog | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 20-Jan-2008 11:56pm |
Dang I replied to myself, I R not smart. | | Frostbrand |
Are you capable of rational thought, or is it just easier to let a 1000+ year old book written by misogynists and control freaks adopting and corrupting a philosophy (kinda like what Hitler did to Nietshzce) do your thinking for you? | | Frostbrand |
> |> Your cult tells us we are born bad and that
> we are worthless and all
> |> the good stuff happens after we die. That
> to me is devaluing human
> |> life. And which garden of eden are you speaking?
> The one in Iraq where
> |> crimes against humanity are being committed
> in our names, or the one
> |> in Missouri (Mormons)?
>
> Yes the Garden of Eden in Iraq and poisend by
> man and by war and we are born sinners into this
> world and why
> we all need a Saviour and none of us are worthless
> at all unless you choose to be
That is just a sad way to look at life. | | LindaH | | (reply to kcthedog) posted 21-Jan-2008 12:02am |
 That was silly. | | Frostbrand |
You say your Bible doesn't lie. Well, it may not lie per se, but it certainly can't get it's facts straight (never mind that you are anthropomrophizing a book, which is the kind of thign I expect from a Disney movie not an alledged adult).
Cut-n-pasted from the Failed Bible Prophecies thread on the Forums.
"Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14 says about God never changing his mind." | | JessicaWoman99 |
> Are you capable of rational thought, or is it just easier to let a
> 1000+ year old book written by misogynists and control freaks adopting
> and corrupting a philosophy (kinda like what Hitler did to Nietshzce)
> do your thinking for you?
No i am led by the Holy Spirit of the living God in heaven whom you cannot see | | JessicaWoman99 |
> You say your Bible doesn't lie. Well, it may not lie per se, but it
> certainly can't get it's facts straight (never mind that you are anthropomrophizing
> a book, which is the kind of thign I expect from a Disney movie not
> an alledged adult).
>
> Cut-n-pasted from the Failed Bible Prophecies thread on the Forums.
>
> "Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey,
> and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
>
> Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in
> verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14
> says about God never changing his mind."
No this is the real deal not a Hollywood movie or Disney Land and i take my life very serious and play no games
with the Lord God because when you check out.................never to come back again like the movies | | Frostbrand |
So in other words, the answer to my questions in order is "no" then "yes". | | Frostbrand |
> |> You say your Bible doesn't lie. Well, it
> may not lie per se, but it
> |> certainly can't get it's facts straight
> (never mind that you are anthropomrophizing
> |> a book, which is the kind of thign I expect
> from a Disney movie not
> |> an alledged adult).
> |>
> |> Cut-n-pasted from the Failed Bible Prophecies
> thread on the Forums.
> |>
> |> "Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into
> the city a day's journey,
> |> and he cried, and said, Yet forty days,
> and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
> |>
> |> Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because
> God changed his mind in
> |> verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers
> 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14
> |> says about God never changing his mind."
>
> No this is the real deal not a Hollywood movie
> or Disney Land and i take my life very serious
> and play no games
> with the Lord God because when you check out.................never
> to come back again like the movies
I think you missed my point. Perhaps it would help if I explained what anthropomorphizing is. It is "to attribute human form or personality to things not human" (thank you Merriam-Webster's). This is what you are doing with that book. And that's all it is. A book. No amount of circular logic that a 5 year old could spot can convince me otherwise. A book cannot lie or tell the truth, only the people who write them can, and the Bible was written by people, people who wanted power, and the best way to get power is to convicne people that you are somehow divinely chosen or divine yourself. There is little difference intellectually speaking between the authors of the Bible, and men like Xerxes, or the Roman Emperors, or the Egyptian Pharoahs. | | JessicaWoman99 |
> So in other words, the answer to my questions in order is "no" then
> "yes".
Nobody does my thinking for me and I choose to live my life by the words of my Lord God an instruction book for
my daily life and truly what the Bible is to me and what it means to me everyday of my life
And no control freaks have ever written a Bible before and they would not know how to or where to begin
sounds like you need a journey through the Holy land and see all the bloodshed and violence and the other sides
of the bible that were written and inspired by the Lord God who will judge us all at the time of our death and your
choice my choice has already been selected | | JessicaWoman99 |
> |> |> You say your Bible doesn't lie. Well, it
> |> may not lie per se, but it
> |> |> certainly can't get it's facts straight
> |> (never mind that you are anthropomrophizing
> |> |> a book, which is the kind of thign I expect
> |> from a Disney movie not
> |> |> an alledged adult).
> |> |>
> |> |> Cut-n-pasted from the Failed Bible Prophecies
> |> thread on the Forums.
> |> |>
> |> |> "Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into
> |> the city a day's journey,
> |> |> and he cried, and said, Yet forty days,
> |> and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
> |> |>
> |> |> Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because
> |> God changed his mind in
> |> |> verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers
> |> 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14
> |> |> says about God never changing his mind."
> |>
> |> No this is the real deal not a Hollywood movie
> |> or Disney Land and i take my life very serious
> |> and play no games
> |> with the Lord God because when you check out.................never
> |> to come back again like the movies
>
> I think you missed my point. Perhaps it would help if I explained
> what anthropomorphizing is. It is "to attribute human form or personality
> to things not human" (thank you Merriam-Webster's). This is what you
> are doing with that book. And that's all it is. A book. No amount
> of circular logic that a 5 year old could spot can convince me otherwise.
> A book cannot lie or tell the truth, only the people who write them
> can, and the Bible was written by people, people who wanted power,
> and the best way to get power is to convicne people that you are somehow
> divinely chosen or divine yourself. There is little difference intellectually
> speaking between the authors of the Bible, and men like Xerxes, or
> the Roman Emperors, or the Egyptian Pharoahs.
Human form you said it yourself and Jesus became a human one of us to rid the world of sin......now go figure
and do your math end of this..... | | Frostbrand |
> |> So in other words, the answer to my questions
> in order is "no" then
> |> "yes".
>
> Nobody does my thinking for me and I choose to
> live my life by the words of my Lord God an instruction
> book for
> my daily life and truly what the Bible is to me
> and what it means to me everyday of my life
> And no control freaks have ever written a Bible
> before and they would not know how to or where
> to begin
On what do you base that?
> sounds like you need a journey through the Holy
> land and see all the bloodshed and violence and
> the other sides
> of the bible that were written and inspired by
> the Lord God who will judge us all at the time
> of our death and your
> choice my choice has already been selected
Have you any idea how absoltuely insane that sounds? "You need to see some blood & gore then agree wtih me and my crazy book because your fate was decided millenia before you were born." | | Frostbrand |
> |> |> |> You say your Bible doesn't lie.
> Well, it
> |> |> may not lie per se, but it
> |> |> |> certainly can't get it's facts
> straight
> |> |> (never mind that you are anthropomrophizing
> |> |> |> a book, which is the kind of
> thign I expect
> |> |> from a Disney movie not
> |> |> |> an alledged adult).
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Cut-n-pasted from the Failed
> Bible Prophecies
> |> |> thread on the Forums.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> "Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to
> enter into
> |> |> the city a day's journey,
> |> |> |> and he cried, and said, Yet
> forty days,
> |> |> and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Nineveh was never overthrown.
> Why? Because
> |> |> God changed his mind in
> |> |> |> verse 3:10, despite what Malachi
> 3:6, Numbers
> |> |> 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14
> |> |> |> says about God never changing
> his mind."
> |> |>
> |> |> No this is the real deal not a Hollywood
> movie
> |> |> or Disney Land and i take my life
> very serious
> |> |> and play no games
> |> |> with the Lord God because when you
> check out.................never
> |> |> to come back again like the movies
> |>
> |> I think you missed my point. Perhaps it
> would help if I explained
> |> what anthropomorphizing is. It is "to attribute
> human form or personality
> |> to things not human" (thank you Merriam-Webster's).
> This is what you
> |> are doing with that book. And that's all
> it is. A book. No amount
> |> of circular logic that a 5 year old could
> spot can convince me otherwise.
> |> A book cannot lie or tell the truth, only
> the people who write them
> |> can, and the Bible was written by people,
> people who wanted power,
> |> and the best way to get power is to convicne
> people that you are somehow
> |> divinely chosen or divine yourself. There
> is little difference intellectually
> |> speaking between the authors of the Bible,
> and men like Xerxes, or
> |> the Roman Emperors, or the Egyptian Pharoahs.
>
> Human form you said it yourself and Jesus became
> a human one of us to rid the world of sin......now
> go figure
> and do your math end of this.....
You want to prove an untruth with math? Yeah, not gonna happen. | | southernyankee | | posted 21-Jan-2008 2:17am |
I hate to be a dick about it (ok, thats a lie, I don't), but religious people aren't the only ones guilty of raising hysteria.
I also hate to get off the subject (ok, thats a lie too) but just like religion, environmentalists have used alarmism making very similar prophecies. EG: The world will end soon, the end is near. Take global warming, which is an excellent example of what I am talking about. Sure, you can find threads of evidence and say that parts of your prophecy came true. Ok, now just replace "sin" with "destroying the environment", replace penance the RCC used to charge in confession with "carbon credits", and "God will smite us with floods" with "global warming" and you got yourself a secular religion.
Besides environmentalism, communists did/do the same thing. Theres your fear mongers always telling you how far the gap between the rich and the poor is widening (but conveniently you never hear about the decreases) and that the middle class is supposedly disappearing. (ok, thats sort of bullcrap too, the prior are examples of what socialists do, not comies). As to the recession, its just part of the natural cycle of ups-and-downs meant to clear out the dead wood. Then off course the motherlord of communist prophecies, that the US will collapse and we should prepare to build out own communities (at least thats what kristal rose's radio was saying-- speaking of which whatever happened to her).
Then lets not forget the politically neutral (neither left nor right) nuts in the survivalist movement. Well, the point is, theres a long list of idiots yelling until they're blue in the face of how the world is about to end soon, offering examples of "evidence" that their prophecy will happen, off course the evidence is stuff that happened that matches some crackpot theory involving some arbitrary list of events.
Now, back to the topic at hand, the existence of (or lack of) God or an afterlife is a separate issue from the Bible. True, the Bible (and just about every other Holy Book---ever, was disproven) over and over again. But that still doesn't really prove the atheist point either. Disproving the Bible doesn't really disprove a God. It only weeds out the blind faithful ones out of the debate. Afterall, we still don't even know what consciousness is.
(ps, frostband, if you're actually reading this, since this isn't a reply to anyone but just an orphan comment, you can't call me a liar since I tell you in advance when I am lying. You also can't call me a rightwinger because I make fun of very diverse set of people and idealogies). | | Melf | | posted 21-Jan-2008 2:29am |
| | autumnlight | | posted 21-Jan-2008 3:02am |
No, the Bible doesn't have any evidence at all. If you're going to try and convince people otherwise, I'd try and come up with a better argument than that. | | Frostbrand |
> I hate to be a dick about it (ok, thats a lie,
> I don't), but religious people aren't the only
> ones guilty of raising hysteria.
>
> I also hate to get off the subject (ok, thats
> a lie too) but just like religion, environmentalists
> have used alarmism making very similar prophecies.
> EG: The world will end soon, the end is near.
> Take global warming, which is an excellent example
> of what I am talking about. Sure, you can find
> threads of evidence and say that parts of your
> prophecy came true. Ok, now just replace "sin"
> with "destroying the environment", replace penance
> the RCC used to charge in confession with "carbon
> credits", and "God will smite us with floods"
> with "global warming" and you got yourself a secular
> religion.
>
OK, the difference here, and it's a HUGE one, is that while Biblical prophecies are super vague, the reality of global warming that so far only the major polluters, the easily misled, and bribed "scientists" deny are to put it mildly a lot more specific, and can pinpoint to within a decade, wheras religious prophecies basiclaly say "it will happen either tomorow or in 2000 years." Global warming* denial illustrates a pretty big weakness of Right Wing movementarianism (thank you thesaurus; I have a new favorite word). Climate change science isn’t partisan at all, but as long as the movementarians think that attacking the science will score a vctory against Evil Liberalism they will go on attacking, reality, logic, and common sense be damned. All the oil industry lobby needed to do was polarize a scientific matter along political lines and the Right Wingers in the U.S, and abroad willingly became what amounts to the private army for a cause "almost completely tangential(sp?) to their individual interests." The part in quotes is somethign I saw in an anonymous MySpace posting and I liked the phrase.
* For what it's worth, I concede that "global warming" is a bad name for the problem, but alas, it was decided without any input from me since I wasn't born yet.
> Besides environmentalism, communists did/do the
> same thing. Theres your fear mongers always telling
> you how far the gap between the rich and the poor
> is widening (but conveniently you never hear about
> the decreases) and that the middle class is supposedly
> disappearing. (ok, thats sort of bullcrap too,
> the prior are examples of what socialists do,
> not comies).
Actually, that's not at all true. http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?st... The decreases all happened under a system that was more like the kind of capitalism I talk about; the kind with oversight.
> As to the recession, its just part
> of the natural cycle of ups-and-downs meant to
> clear out the dead wood. Then off course the
> motherlord of communist prophecies, that the US
> will collapse and we should prepare to build out
> own communities (at least thats what kristal rose's
> radio was saying-- speaking of which whatever
> happened to her).
>
> Then lets not forget the politically neutral (neither
> left nor right) nuts in the survivalist movement.
> Well, the point is, theres a long list of idiots
> yelling until they're blue in the face of how
> the world is about to end soon, offering examples
> of "evidence" that their prophecy will happen,
> off course the evidence is stuff that happened
> that matches some crackpot theory involving some
> arbitrary list of events.
>
Are you seriously comparing objective peer reviewed studies with religious goobledygook? That makes about as much sense as doing police skectehes with fingerpaints.
>
> Now, back to the topic at hand, the existence
> of (or lack of) God or an afterlife is a separate
> issue from the Bible. True, the Bible (and just
> about every other Holy Book---ever, was disproven)
> over and over again. But that still doesn't really
> prove the atheist point either. Disproving the
> Bible doesn't really disprove a God. It only
> weeds out the blind faithful ones out of the debate.
> Afterall, we still don't even know what consciousness
> is.
>
> (ps, frostband, if you're actually reading this,
> since this isn't a reply to anyone but just an
> orphan comment, you can't call me a liar since
> I tell you in advance when I am lying. You also
> can't call me a rightwinger because I make fun
> of very diverse set of people and idealogies).
I don't dispute that you make fun of all sides, but that doesn't change the fact that you espouse ideas that are generally held by Right Wingers. | | Pomeranian | | posted 21-Jan-2008 4:04am |
"Wronge"? Who are you, Chaucer? | | Pomeranian | | (reply to Frostbrand) posted 21-Jan-2008 4:08am &n |
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