Do you believe in karma?

No, absolutely NOT. Good people can do good all their life and never see a return. Bad people can do horrible things and end up with a sweet, pleasant life, living in luxury. If Karma were real, saintly people would all have homes, and rotten people would not get any easy breaks.
Good people can turn bitter, because there's no such thing as karma.

Not in the least.

No, but I do like to think about it working when some one has wronged me, but the honest truth is that some people get away with bad stuff.

No.

Kind of. Not really. I don't know. I'm confused now.

I think the idea of it is nice. I try to live as though karma is a real thing. But, in reality, I doubt it. Sometimes it works out that way, sometimes it doesn't. It's got nothing to do with karma.

Everytime I hear someone say something about karma I think about Lahdee's story of running over someone's sauce at McDonald's. "My karma ran over your saucema" or whatever it was.

Why yes what goes around comes around and bang

I gave her the idea for the topic title, and it cracks me up that people liked it.

Yes I do, just ask Earl.

Yea very much, or reaping as it's called.

Not in the technical sense of karma. How you act and think will affect how other people act towards you, but this is a social thing between people, not an underlying part of the way reality works. It also isn't a rule - bad things don't always happen to bad people.

Yes, I do believe in karma.

I believe in Karma, but not "what goes aaround comes around" It isn't a competition, or destiny. It's about learning lessons. It's school, with tests.

Karma is more likely a collective whole of past, present and future life times. Ancestoral included. If,say, my grandmother was not real kind to kitties, I get a chance to make that right. Karma can follow somwone for several life times and you never know what or when a lesson comes up.

I feel like it's there but when I think about it, it just can't be.

That doees'nt make much sense to me. You could spend your life doing nice things, being a great person without even trying, and yet crap creeps up on you because of some other person???

Sort of I think............. maybe not, however I more thoroughly believe in probability of character.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Family blood runs deep.

Nope.

Seems kind of superstitious to me. Blaming the dead for your troubles?

No, not at all. It's called healing your family. When you do good, it reflects on the family, when you do bad, it also hurts the family. Dead ornot, it's still family. I consider it an honor to have so much responsibility.

I would consider it a burden. I'm not one to look into the past like that.

Absolutely. Every time I cheat relative to money, etc. I always get paid back by getting hit somewhere else.

No, not really, but it's fun to think about sometimes.

No.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely!

> No, absolutely NOT. Good people can
> do good all their life and never see
> a return. Bad people can do horrible
> things and end up with a sweet, pleasant
> life, living in luxury. If Karma were
> real, saintly people would all have
> homes, and rotten people would not get
> any easy breaks.
> Good people can turn bitter, because
> there's no such thing as karma.

The concept of Karma incorporates the idea of multiple lifetimes, therefore karma can carryover from one life to another, which explains why someone’s life can seem unfair either good or bad. What you sow, so shall you reap, in this lifetime or the next.

I like this survey I am sorry I got in late!

That attitude doesn't seem to serve any sort of useful purpose. It's like saying you should blame yourself for everything bad that happens to you, whether it was your fault or not. It seems a way to make people feel guilty because their own life sucks. Your life is rotten? Well you should feel bad. It's all your fault anyway! ()

“That attitude doesn't seem to serve any sort of useful purpose.”

Karma does not serve for the sake of purpose, no more than does your reflection in a mirror flatter you! Karma is the sea in which you swim, the ripples you create emanate from you in all directions interacting with all the other ripples in the sea of Karma. Every action that you generate influences everything and everyone around you. We, as spiritual entities create an aural field around ourselves manifested by our actions. This field acts like an antenna, tuned to discreet frequencies of good and bad, righteousness or evil, and will “receive” in the frequency that we resonate! The point or purpose to Karma would be to learn how to tune your antenna to the desired frequency, one of harmony and peace. I believe that the human spirit never dies, it is reborn multiple times all in the process of learning what our true nature is, this will take more than one lifetime. What you transmit you will receive! Karma is the “ying and yang” of our spirituality!

It still seems inaccurate. A person who is all about peace and harmony could become bitter, from receiving too much anger and grief. Good people don't deserve bad things. Attributing it to a past life still seems inaccurate and pointless. I guess I just deserve to get treated like crap, despite the fact I've been kind and sweet all my life. Is that supposed to wear a person down, so society doesn't rub off on them and turn them mean?

“It's like saying you should blame yourself for everything bad that happens to you, whether it was your fault or not. It seems a way to make people feel guilty because their own life sucks. Your life is rotten? Well you should feel bad. It's all your fault anyway!”

NO! You need try to live life objectively knowing that you do not have control of karma any more than you could control the sea! You have no way to know in advance what a series of events in your life will lead to. What might seem like unfair tragedies may actually lead to something major that will transform you. You do not need to blame yourself or accept guilt, as long as you walk with a clear conscience.

> It still seems inaccurate. A person
> who is all about peace and harmony could
> become bitter, from receiving too much
> anger and grief. Good people don't deserve
> bad things. Attributing it to a past
> life still seems inaccurate and pointless.
> I guess I just deserve to get treated
> like crap, despite the fact I've been
> kind and sweet all my life. Is that
> supposed to wear a person down, so society
> doesn't rub off on them and turn them
> mean?

Life is neither good nor bad, fair or unfair, life just IS! You cannot expect life to be anything than it is…life doesn’t owe you happiness. Life is what you make it, again the spirit within you is attached to the karma, the reborn “you” can’t know what attachments you may have to your past lives. In the end there will have been no good or bad, when we acquire our true nature again it will be like awaking from a dream. The worldly plane of which we speak is only one journey of many until the realization of who we are.

Damn that dog's deep.

If you have no control over it, then what's the point in even believing in it? Might as well chalk everything up to total random chance.

I'm KC the dog!

By that logic, there's no point in being nice to people.

> If you have no control over it, then
> what's the point in even believing in
> it? Might as well chalk everything up
> to total random chance.

Linda do not be so bitter! The point is to believe in yourself, and to accept that you are more than you realize you are. If you do not believe in Karma, than get up off your candy ass and go kill someone! You would not feel any guilt over that I bet! Sure you would, it is an internal mechanism tuning to your aural receiver, picking up the signals of your spiritual self. The fact that you admit to guilt and feel blame are examples of your spirit attempting to tune your receiver to a different frequency

> By that logic, there's no point in being
> nice to people.

With that attitude your journey will be longer than it need be.

My philosophy is that you be nice for it's own sake. Not for a reward, not to avoid consequences, but just because you know the right thing to do, and so you do it. No desire to be mean, simply because it's mean! I don't think of it as aura, spirit, frequencies, etc. Just plain being a decent person.
The only excuses would be ignorance or confusion (not knowing what to do in a situation) and extreme emotion clouding the ability to think.

I'm not on any journey.

> My philosophy is that you be nice for
> it's own sake. Not for a reward, not
> to avoid consequences, but just because
> you know the right thing to do, and
> so you do it. No desire to be mean,
> simply because it's mean! I don't think
> of it as aura, spirit, frequencies,
> etc. Just plain being a decent person.
> The only excuses would be ignorance
> or confusion (not knowing what to do
> in a situation) and extreme emotion
> clouding the ability to think.
>

Karma is not a reward mechanism; it is more like a scoreboard. And I agree with you, to be nice for the sake of being nice! I am sorry you do not believe in spirit, as to the “aural and frequencies” thing go,… I like metaphors

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So, what would be the point in keeping score?
And what do you mean by "spirit"?

I think we have reached an impasse.

What's a person supposed to say when someone says "I think we have reached an impasse."?

I do not want to impose my feelings upon you, nor is it my intention to engage you in argument. I have a belief in Karma and you do not, so-be-it! I respect your ideas and beliefs and do not want to seem presuming or arrogant! I enjoy our conversations and do not want to taint them over differences of opinion. So an impasse needs no response, it merely acknowledges we are both valid in our beliefs.

I need to go play pool now, I need a beer!

Wish I was there! mmmmmm beer

I just got home and I kicked pool butt! I need to sleep now.....

I just got up, made coffee, got on the computer. No one turned the light on in here. They also played computer games without the sound on! I think someone just wanted to be the first one on, nothing to slow them down!

Poltergeists?

The kids. I think they hurry to my computer and don't bother with the lights or speakers. They just want to play games.

How many and how old?

3. ages 10, 6 and 3.

I never had kids but I wish I did, you are blessed! Boys, girls? I bet you have a million stories.

2 girls, 1 boy. 6 year old is the boy. Yep, lots of stories.

Right now I'm hungry. Only had 2 cookies and a piece of toast today. Been out running around for 2 1/2 hours.

What is the weather like? I told you my brother lives in Anchorage didn't I? Right now it is pretty chilly for the desert, about 55 degrees, partly cloudy. The mountains around me have snow on them, I am sure it is a lot colder where you are.

I think you did tell me your brother lived here, but I forgot.
It's 23 here. The bookstore seemed 3 zip codes away from free parking!

Not really. I tend to think that if you're nice to others, they will be nice back - but I don't think that works on a cosmic level at all.

Sometimes it doesn't even work at all. You could be nice to others and still be treated like crap.

Very true.

Wishful thinking.

On a certain level, how you treat other people can determine how they treat you in return. But it's naive to think that the universe strives to keep in balance such primitive human constructions as 'good' and 'bad'.