Is hip-hop dead/dying?

Oh my gawd! Hip-hop has a true meaning? Someone tell me please. I only wish it was dying..

I don't think so. Its not any different than heavy metal in the 80's. Ok, maybe the positive message is sort of dying, but theres still rappers out there who aren't rapping about partying and money.

When has rap not been full of violence and misogyny?

it never actually had any meaning

There's all kinds of hip hop. The wealth and bling is part of it. They are born, rise up then switch to producing or doing something else with their new found wealth a lot of the time. For a lot of rappers their intensity was borne of their poverty, without it their raps aren't the same.
It depends on what kind of hip hop you like. All rap isn't hip hop.

God I hope so.

no, maybe just leveling off........... i don't think most of the really popular songs have ANY message anymore or anything worth saying which i thought was suppose to be the draw of hip hop. but i probably don't listen to it enough to have an opinion!

No. Judging from the noise I can hear coming from cars, portable CD players, and iPod-type players turned up loud enough so the whole bus can hear.

No, you still have The Diplomats and Dizzee Rascal going strong. Reading these answers... I never knew SC was so exclusive. It's not at all all bling and whatnot.

I think I only got into hip hop just as Emo music was coming in and hip hop was dieing, I like hip hop, but I don't get completely rapped up in the dog slap ho slut whore scene of it. I'm generally on the border line between liking hip hop and R& B, anyone yes, but mainly because of the Emo hype too. I don't think most people stayed under the hypnosis of bling bling and instead became entranced by the black make up.

What do you mean by exclusive?

An almost unified dislike of hip-hop.

Oh, yeah, so do you like hip hop.

Yeah. I like a bit of N.W.A, Jurassic 5, and Dizzee Rascal. I like most stuff by Dipset too. Beastie Boys are excellent. You?

I prefer the YingYang twins, but I've only heard two of their songs but they were really good, I like the black eyed peas, but they've generally always borderlined into R&B and with Fergies separation she pretty much sent it that way, Rick Ross is okay same with Ken Hell.

It hasn't been forgotten, but there's no doubt mainstream hip-hop is moving towards less meaningful songs.

*shrugs* ..... I put other, I dont even know what the EXACT difference is between hip/hop & Rap is (yeah I know one has loads of talking in it) but the beats are very much the same and I do like some of the stuff, but to be honest this is normally because the Rap/hip/hop artist is covering a song I already like.

Like DMX's "Aint No sunshine" ...... which is a cover of Bill Whithers classic

If you took the words:

Nigga, Killed, nine/9mm, Ho, doges, driving, Bentley, homies

out of the average Rap/hip/hop song you'd be left with about 4 minutes of Silence, interjected with the odd "Uhhuh"

That's generally extreme hardcore hip hop, there are different varieties of hip hop and different standards of what hip hop is.

I know, I know.... It was a joke generalisation

Oh good because as you've probably read I like hip hop, but not that crap.

Some of it is ok, Like I said in another survey (I am not that Up with the new stuff) but tunes that I like are:

DMX Aint No sunshine
ICE T I must stand
Mario Winans & P. Diddy I dont wanna know

I prefer Akon and the Ying Yang they're really good.

I don't listen to the stuff closely enough to be able to actually hear those words...

> If you took the words:
>
> Nigga, Killed, nine/9mm, Ho, doges, driving, Bentley, homies
>
> out of the average Rap/hip/hop song you'd be left with about 4 minutes
> of Silence, interjected with the odd "Uhhuh"

Something like that, R&B notwithstanding. Then again, do the same thing with emo except make the words "suicide, slit my wrists, love sucks and you would be left with about 4 minutes of silence interjected with sighs of despair. Do the same thing with Pop love songs and take out the words "baby" and you won't be left with much. Then take heavy metal and take out the words "sex, drugs, rock and roll, party" and see what you're left with.

Good Point!

Actually I think that's the title of a song, the song was crap and didn't really sound great.

When did Fergie leave Black Eyed Peas? Was it with her solo stuff? I've never heard of the last two guys you mentioned, but yeah, the Ying Yang Twins are pretty cool.

I won't say I don't care, on some level I do, but not really.

> I prefer the YingYang twins, but I've only heard
> two of their songs but they were really good,
> I like the black eyed peas, but they've generally
> always borderlined into R&B and with Fergies separation
> she pretty much sent it that way, Rick Ross is
> okay same with Ken Hell.

Yeah, I like most of them, but small doses. It is a trend towards something new, which is a bonus. This will lead to better music as trends seem to go. It seems like the beginning of a decade, the music is still from the last decade, but struggling with minimally new experience. Than the middle of the decade is boring, with a few reaching out into something very new, but misunderstood. Those are some of the bands that self combust. At the end of the decade is some of the better stuff that comes out. At least this was the case for the past 40 years, I haven't been into music much at all these last few years. I hear some new stuff, and than I can't find them until I see they are still out there. A band has to continually shift and change or they become stagnant and left behind.

Uhhuh.

Like half way through last year, will she didn't really leave more take and rename, but apparently at the end of the year they're going to reform the black eyed since Fergie wants Will.i.am to take over again or something. I love the songs Bojangles and Dangerous that Ying Yang twins sing, you?

Yeah, but apparently that the end of the year the black eyed peas are getting back together to reform the black eyed peas, so I see what you mean the band a change and then change back seen newer and different. I guess it's kind of like the Emo hype it'll wear down eventually but still be successful to it's devoted fans that stick to it.

Sometimes a band goes through something completely different style. It either kills them or makes them stronger. Look at the Stones....unbelievable how freaking old they are, yet they keep coming up with new stuff. For a while there, they were living on thier legend and they were going downhill, so it may be the new songs, or people show up to see their concerts because it is like a freak show. (gawd they are soooo old )

That reminds of Madonna for some reason.

wait a minute...she's not old......she is only a few years older than me squirt....The differance I see right away on that, is she is not doing the same thing she did twenty years ago. she evolved, made career mistakes but bounded back. She probably wouldn't think any of them were mistakes, she is a busines genious. I do admire her tenacity.

No. There's a lot of good rap out there, it's just not mainstream.

> Oh my gawd! Hip-hop has a true meaning? Someone
> tell me please. I only wish it was dying..

Well, back in the day (and this was before your and my time), hip hop was about things that are not smacking hoes, cheddar (aka personal wealth), and running shoes. It was a music trying to raise awareness towards many black related issues, like the racism and living conditions, among many other things. PE might be disgraced nowadays with Flavor Flave running around and trying to bone everything that walks, but their old work is very distinguished.

To be honest, I couldn't name any of their stuff. One of my mates played some to me not long ago. I might see what I can download.

what would the 'true meaning of hip-hop' be? I like the snap songs.

Yeah that's....what I meant like shes been around the block a few and she always comes back, her name would still be famous if she even decided to just sing at karaoke bars for the rest of her life.

That still wouldn't get me in Karaoke bars.

What if she participated in local community cultural play.

Oh ok. Yeah, because the newer stuff obviously doesn't mean a thing.

I'm just waiting for the album to arrive in the shops.

I'm there

Oh yes since she'd put on such a fantastic performance.

She could even do hip hop...mmmm....maybe

And while she's rapping she could do a little break dancing too.

I bet she would...hmmmm. I'm not sure I'd buy a ticket for that one, but maybe I would..she'd make it incredible.

Well, most of the newer rock is pure crap. And everybody only seems to be attacking hip hop.

Well, the rock I listen to doesn't talk about that stuff either.

Take your camera and tape incase she makes a major mistake and put it on youtube.

Not my style...there isn't much right abut that. If I made a mistake, I wouldn't want it on utube. That is if it was an inniocent mistake, if it was a mistake during a human sacrifice or something, yeah that would be a riot.

I didn't think hip-hop and rap were the same thing. What is a "snap" song?

Ha

> If you took the words:
>
> Nigga, Killed, nine/9mm, Ho, doges, driving, Bentley, homies
>
> out of the average Rap/hip/hop song you'd be left with about 4 minutes
> of Silence, interjected with the odd "Uhhuh"

I kinda wish it would die. I stopped listening to it in 1998.

FoxTurtle is not sad to see something that goes hip-hop die, so...