| User | Comment |
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Iseult  | | posted 14-Feb-2007 11:21pm |
I DON'T DRIVE! AT ALL! EVER
Other than that, I don't think police has a right to police people. That came out wrong. Despite the blizzard people should still be able to go around and drive. |
LindaH    | | posted 14-Feb-2007 11:34pm |
No, people should have the right to make their own decisions to drive in inclement weather. |
cloudhugger   | | posted 14-Feb-2007 11:52pm |
I actually heard this on the news yesterday. I couldn't believe what I heard. It was not that bad out. I have been in far worse. |
| blondie20 | | posted 15-Feb-2007 12:00am |
No, people should have the right to make their own decisions to drive in inclement weather. |
| Amanda | | posted 15-Feb-2007 12:07am |
No. What's an emergency to one might not be an emergency to all. I think they should try to convince people to stay in, if possible. But, if people don't, that's their own business. I can see their point, though. People get out and have accidents, which means the cops have to work those accidents instead of doing other blizzard type stuff (whatever that may be). |
| Amanda |
Where's the option I asked for? Huh? Huh? Huh? Due to my eyesight, I no longer drive.
Bad survey. No cookie.  |
| LindaH |
> I actually heard this on the news yesterday.
> I couldn't believe what I heard. It was not
> that bad out. I have been in far worse.
How could they attach levels of importance to road trips? Just because it's not an extreme emergency (medical or whatever) that doesn't mean someone doesn't need to be somewhere. That's just bizarre.
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| LindaH | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:12am |
> Where's the option I asked for? Huh? Huh?
> Huh? Due to my eyesight, I no longer drive.
>
>
> Bad survey. No cookie.
Wouldn't that be covered under "I DON'T DRIVE! AT ALL! EVER!" ?
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| Amanda | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:14am |
Nope. It's different! I need my own special option. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:16am |
Did you read my comment in qual?
huh,huh,huh...yeah, no cookie for you. |
| Amanda |
There's not a comment from you in qual. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:22am |
It is, it makes me think the government is trying like hell to make this a police state and starting with little crap like this. I'd think a road trip to see how bad it was so you would know how to handle it if an emergency came on, and it would cut down on hysteria.
I can't believe they closed the banks yesterday at 1 in the afternoon. Everyone was in a panic state due to the media anyway, and even the grocery stores were closed. They were acting like it has never snowed here before. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 15-Feb-2007 12:22am |
White out conditions you cannot see over the front of your car
this is blizzard conditions and very dangerous to drive in
And the police do have that right to protect us from doing something dumb and stupid in the first
and they do not want to risk their lives to save the stupid dumb bell
Who should not have been driving in white out conditions and serious blizzard conditions in the first place dah"
what was I ........tinking? oh dah |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:24am |
hmmmm.... |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:26am |
 wrong survey...never mind.
You can have my cookie...  |
Melf   | | posted 15-Feb-2007 2:34am |
No, people should have the right to make their own decisions to drive in inclement weather. |
| RGirl | | posted 15-Feb-2007 2:52am |
If that is the law, then yes. |
| RGirl | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 2:53am |
And risk their own lives going off trying to find people who have gotten lost or stuck or are down in a ditch somewhere. |
| RGirl | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 2:57am |
I imagine they have a list of what is an emergency. Like, your out of smokes isn't an emergency but it might feel like one. I'm a little confused about what kinds of things you might consider an emergency that a cop might say 'no it isn't' I imagine it revolves most around some one needing emergency medical care, a diabetic out of insulin, baby out of formula, my kids are home alone, etc. |
| RGirl |
Huh, imagine that. I agree with you sweetly. |
| RGirl |
When I lived in Michigan we had a blizzard and they declared Marshall Law, so it was a police state.
OMG! Look at how I spelled that! I meant Martial Law! |
| docgbrown | | posted 15-Feb-2007 6:11am |
Don't hang near that kind of weather so I don't "give a flying frozen monkey turd whether or not people are ticketed for this." |
| ROCKMAN | | posted 15-Feb-2007 6:14am |
No, if I want to go somewhere I'm going to go. |
| Maarten | | posted 15-Feb-2007 8:18am |
Just no.
Why make laws against stupid who are willing to risk their own lifes? |
| bill | | posted 15-Feb-2007 8:26am |
It's tempting, but seems a bit silly. I would prefer the police spend their time helping people vs. giving people tickets, when there's a snow storm. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to RGirl) posted 15-Feb-2007 8:50am |
 Peter marshall as the Host of 'Let's make a Deal out of Jail'! |
| cloudhugger |
The survey was referring to blizzard-like, not quite a blizzard. The streets were not that bad, there were gusts of wind, not white out conditions. There was less than a foot of snow on the ground. If the weather was indeed extreme, it would have been a different survey.
This is not mountainous steep roads, or winding through the woods roads, just an average midwestern 2 to 3 lanes. |
| Enheduanna | | posted 15-Feb-2007 9:04am |
No, I think people have the right to drive in blizzard-like conditions if they want. I think it's a stupid decision on their part, but it's their choice. If the officer deems that they are driving in a manner than endangers other drivers, that's a different matter. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to RGirl) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:17pm |
> Huh, imagine that. I agree with you sweetly.
And yes it is so amazing to me how stupid some people are to
even try to get to their jobs in whiteout conditions or risk everything just trying to get home
Only to end up off the side of the road in near 0 visibility stuck in 12 feet of snow
and somebody has to save them? |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> The survey was referring to blizzard-like, not quite a blizzard. The
> streets were not that bad, there were gusts of wind, not white out
> conditions. There was less than a foot of snow on the ground. If the
> weather was indeed extreme, it would have been a different survey.
> This is not mountainous steep roads, or winding through the woods
> roads, just an average midwestern 2 to 3 lanes.
Now I see what you are talking about here Cloudhugger and looking out my
window at the snow and wind
The police should not have the right to ticket people at all in these conditions
because I myself drive in this kind of weather if not to severe
You can still see the road at least a mile ahead of you then why are the police handing out tickets?
Probably because the police have nothing better to do and maybe they
are bored to death and need some people to pick on
or the city or town is hurting for money and this is payback" time |
| LindaH |
When you get off work and the place is locked up for the night, there's no place to go but home. I'd call that a minor emergency. I hope they aren't expecting people to idle in parking lots until they run out of gas. |
| LindaH | | (reply to RGirl) posted 15-Feb-2007 12:54pm |
There are so many gray areas. What about picking up your kids from the sitter? There's a whole bunch of little tasks you could need to do that aren't serious emergencies, but that simply need to be done. |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 1:03pm |
> When you get off work and the place is locked up for the night, there's
> no place to go but home. I'd call that a minor emergency. I hope they
> aren't expecting people to idle in parking lots until they run out
> of gas.
Oh how very true indeed and there must be some kind of emergency shelter like a hospital
or just something that may be open even if it is the police station
And I myself in minor emergency I would go to a hospital and stay there or just any shelter that
may be open around this time of night? |
| LindaH |
It would be neat for people to open up their office/business/house or whatever as 'stranded motorist warm-up' Coffee and cookies for all! |
| JessicaWoman99 | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 2:34pm |
> It would be neat for people to open up their office/business/house
> or whatever as 'stranded motorist warm-up' Coffee and cookies for
> all!
Yes it would be so cool to have somebody open up something and have cookies
chocolate german cake coffee or hot chocolate
And yes there are places like schools that will open an emergency shelter if real serious and bad
and nobody is able to get around at all and are stranded in the middle of nowhere
Up here in the mountains plenty of heavy equipment to dig you out of a snowbank or 20inches of snow?
along the interstate highway somebody is sure to open up something bar or restaurant for anybody
that is stuck and stranded and they have to if the Emergency Operations is up and running by the Mayor
or Governor of that state you are living in
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| Amanda |
What kind of cookie is it? |
gambler  | | posted 15-Feb-2007 5:37pm |
I am tempted to say No............ But, I really havent heard of this, I know its to avoid accidents etc, but If you are driving an all/4 wheel drive vehicle and want to go do something its seems a little harsh |
| cloudhugger |
God luv ya Sweetly...I don't know why they want to do that. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 6:06pm |
pecan shortbread. |
| JessicaWoman99 |
> God luv ya Sweetly...I don't know why they want to do that.
It is exactly what the cops do around here hand out tickets like they are candy
and some poor soul like me is going 5 over the limit they stop me
And these cops are looking for a pay raise or something like brownie points
and these cops are plain bored to death and need something to do
And yes some cops are in a real bad mood it seems and they stick up for their male friends yes they do
stick up for their own kind
And as for women these cops are against me and you?
and all because we are women Cloudhugger and I find this to be true with male cops
and I get along better with female cops |
| JessicaWoman99 | | posted 15-Feb-2007 6:09pm |
And my computer is about ready to take the next space shuttle mission
all the way to Jupitor
or Mars and leave it there to die |
| Amanda |
Nah. You can have it. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to Amanda) posted 15-Feb-2007 6:24pm |
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| RGirl |
Well, if something is like a blizzard then it's bad enough to be treated like one. What you describe isn't a blizzard, it's not even blizzard like, so the rules that apply for blizzard conditions wouldn't be appropriate. How strong were these winds?
"winter storm condition characterized by low temperatures, strong winds, and heavy blowing snow. Blizzards are formed when a high pressure system, also known as a ridge, interacts with a low pressure system; this results in the advection of air from the high pressure zone into the low pressure area. The term blizzard is sometimes misused by news media to describe a large winter storm that does not actually satisfy official blizzard criteria.
In North America, blizzards are particularly common to the Northeastern U.S and Maritime Canada. Because the factors involved with the classification of winter storms are complex, there are many different definitions of the word blizzard. A major consensus is that in order to be classified as a blizzard, as opposed to merely a winter storm, the weather must meet several conditions: the storm must decrease visibility to a quarter of a mile or 400 meters, include snow or ice as precipitation, and have wind speeds of at least 35 miles per hour or 56 kilometres per hour (which would be seven or more on the Beaufort Wind Scale) for at least three consecutive hours.
Another standard, according to Environment Canada, is that the winter storm must have winds of 40 km/h (25 mph) or more, have snow or blowing snow, visibility less than 1 km (about 5⁄8 mile), a wind chill of less than −25 °C (−13 °F), and that all of these conditions must last for 3 hours or more before the storm can be properly called a blizzard. Other countries, such as the UK, have a lower threshold: the Met Office defines a blizzard as "moderate or heavy snow" combined with a mean wind speed of 30 miles per hour and a visibility below 200m.When all of these conditions persist after snow has stopped falling, meteorologists refer to the storm as a ground blizzard.
An extreme form of blizzard is a whiteout, when downdrafts coupled with snowfall become so severe that it is impossible to distinguish the ground from the air. People caught in a whiteout can quickly become disoriented, losing their sense of direction. This poses an extreme risk to the aviation community when flying at the altitude of the storm or navigating an airport, severe ice accretion on the wings may also result."
From Wikipedia |
| RGirl |
Some jobs require you to be there. When I was in nursing, in bad weather, the police would come and get you to get you to the hospital if they had to. |
| RGirl | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 8:15pm |
I would hope your babysitter would be kind enough to hold on to your kids for a bit rather than you risking your life. In the case of daycare type business I imagine they would be contacting parents before the bad weather arrived. Like letting school out early. I mean, it's not like they can go anywhere either. Then you get to the babysitter and you have to drive the kids home risking their lives. |
| LindaH | | (reply to RGirl) posted 15-Feb-2007 8:37pm |
I would still think there are many errands and tasks that aren't life threatening emergencies, but desperately need to be done. I don't see why a law should stop people from getting their responsibilities accomplished. Seems kind of 'government knows whats best for you' to me. If I want to put myself in danger to get things over with, that's a risk I should be allowed to make. |
| RGirl | | (reply to LindaH) posted 15-Feb-2007 8:40pm |
Then we disagree on parts of this topic.. |
| Enigma | | posted 15-Feb-2007 10:56pm |
Sigh. People are free to be fools if they like aren't they? |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to RGirl) posted 15-Feb-2007 11:20pm |
I've driven in blizzards before. Full fledged blizzards. And I've driven in blizzard-like. From experience, I know the difference. I also know when mass hysteria is created by the media into thinking conditions are far worse than they are. |
| RGirl |
Well, sometimes it is bad in one area and not bad in another but people on the outskirts of the big cities only get info for the city. What we get is always a lot different than what Kansas City actually gets but on the news they generalize for areas. I'm just saying I don't think it is smart to risk it. Most people who go out and find themselves in trouble were probably thinking they could handle it or something couldn't wait and went out confident especially people who are unfamiliar with what can happen. Better safe than sorry. But what you described I don't think should qualify for getting tickets unless those gusts were really really strong. I had a friend almost kill us both when she was driving and I kept telling her to be careful, there was ice on the road. 'There's no ice on the road.' I told her you can't always see it, but it's there and to slow down. Slid across both lanes of traffic and stopped inches short of a tree. I was pissed. I know that now a days people are weird about the weather. Sensationalized. You can see the weather person creaming their jeans because it's going to rain or snow. Their job must be so boring. I don't watch the weather on the news, unless I'm looking for some cheap entertainment. There's a frost here and school is canceled. I walked to the bus stop in 2 feet of snow! |
| kirst | | posted 16-Feb-2007 3:46am |
If a state of emergency is issued, then I think it would be okay for non-emergency vehicles to be ticketed. Other than that, it seems pretty bogus. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to RGirl) posted 16-Feb-2007 11:45am |
Yes. Drama in the weather is really starting to bug me. A couple of big nasty storms here and there bring it up a notch for authenticating ''see! we got it bad here too!'' in what used to be a typical winter. It's all relative. Back in the pioneer days, winters seemed to be much worse, the snow blowing sideways and the temperature plummeted all season. Now, when we have indoor plumbing and several options for heat, the winters are considerably milder but our complaints and drama are the same.
Ice is very bad on the roads. I talked to different people and asked them how their town was and they were also confused at why everything closed up. I'm glad they decided against tickets that day, but what's to stop them in the next storm. Most people volunteer to stay home any way, but some people need to get out in the weather. My argument is against that being a ticketable offense. |
| autumnlight | | posted 16-Feb-2007 2:38pm |
Is this actually a law? |
| mandy | | posted 16-Feb-2007 3:59pm |
hehehehe
monkey turd |
| llamamama | | posted 16-Feb-2007 6:02pm |
Less than a foot with wind gusts?! You get pulled over for driving in that? |
| cloudhugger |
No, they were only discussing it. |
| cloudhugger | | (reply to mandy) posted 16-Feb-2007 6:45pm |
flying frozen monkey turd |
| mandy |
woooo hoooooooo |
| they | | posted 16-Feb-2007 11:02pm |
Yes, if a county wide Alert is issued, requiring people to leave the roads, they should do just that.
There are reasons for these laws. |
| Zang | | posted 17-Feb-2007 4:41pm |
Only if they are breaking the law. It would be kind of silly to ticket people for a non-existent traffic offense. I've never heard of that one. However, if it exists somewhere, I would hope that they made sure people were aware of it. |
| autumnlight |
Oh, good. I was despairing of the world for a second there. |
| cloudhugger |
That's what I thought. |
| hypersky | | posted 18-Feb-2007 7:44pm |
No. During blizzards, cops have way too many real emergencies to manage to start handing out tickets for people who have not yet demonstrated that they're too stupid to be on the road. Though it makes many people uncomfortable (and those folks should stay indoors), inclement weather does not create a stay-at-home situation for everyone. |
| LindaH | | (reply to hypersky) posted 18-Feb-2007 9:02pm |
People should be exempt from that rule if they are used to driving in weather that is worse.  |
| mve17 |
I DON'T DRIVE! AT ALL! EVER!
I couldn't put it better myself!  |
| falkensmaze |
People should be allowed to take the risks when driving in bad weather. However, if they have an accident, they shouldn't biatch and whine how long it took the police, ambulance or fire trucks to arrive. It's not safe for emergency vehicle to drive in bad weather either, especially at the higher speeds they drive when responding to an emergency. |
