Do you think there should be a country with no government?

Yes, if only for a year, but only to see what happens. Like mankind's little guinea pigs.

I really don't know. Sometimes I wished we had a better government at times.

Doesn't seem like a good idea.

It's not up to me to decide how another country's population decides to run itself, but he idea that a collective of any sort can run itself naturally without a leadership structure, rules or laws seems almost impossible in my mind.

you mean like Somalia?

Yeah, as an experiment. It would have to be a pretty small one, though.

um, sure. And then we can put all the people who believe that anarchy can work there and see how long before they change their minds. Not.

Of any sort? Even small scale like a house, or a community of 20 people?

A country should have some kind of government and what is happening in Iraq at this time

It's like a family; you need some structure or else it falls apart.

I think when you get the right kinds of people together (and they should use that as a test to participate in the experimental "country") the group can 'self govern" without leadership. If you get people together than can control their own behavior, rule themselves and consider other people, you don't need "house rules". I can easily see people who have lived in a house like that, living peacably in a 'country' like that.

No, there would be civil unrest all the time. We need a government. There has to be order for peace. Borders, like language and like culture is the core of a country. When a country is mixed, pluralized, civil unrest will ensue. Diversity is the death of a country, as what has happened in this country, as well as around the world.

No use rehashing the subject.

It may work with a very limited group of like-minded individuals, but at a certain point of growth things will break. Even in a tight-knit group there will be flare-ups and tempers will test the limits of the group's dynamic. There are three phases in a group's evolution: forming, storming and norming. If ground rules are in place, the storm is usually controllable to an extent. If there are no ground rules in place, the storm forces the group to establish a rules-based framework or die an anarchic mess in short order.

Look at the Beatles and the Stones: the Beatles was a battle between two wannabe leaders, the Stones is basically Mick Jagger's ship (whether Keith agrees with this or not.) Musically I prefer the Beatles; but, despite many crises, the Stones have lasted 40 years because there was a hierarchy in place.

That's too bad. It would be fun to try, though. I have a friend that used to live in a house with a bunch of roomates. I guess the 'rules' were just mutual understandings. Someone could leave 20 bucks on the counter, and a week later it would still be there. They never formed official ground rules, they just lived by conscience.

Rules can be as simple as respecting each other. In a small group they don't need to be formally coded. It's when you expand the group or when a small group is faced with big challenges that informal understandings tend to fall apart. Even though they were buds when they started off, I'm sure the two Google guys had to hire an armada of lawyers to help frame their business partnership when the thing went global.

Too bad it has to come to that. I think it would be totally fun to live with 50 to 100 people and still have small group informal understandings. Wheeee

That would be cool.

I think that people shouldn't need a government. Individuals should govern themselves. Unfortunately we don't seem to be, individually or as a species, mature to the point where this is practical.

Not a good idea. It will lead to anarchism and the right of the strongest.

It'd be great, but I don't think it's possible. In the absence of any government stopping them, people will set up governments. I don't mean they'll form a nice little, representative democracy. No. They'll create many, competing governments that look a whole lot like mafia rule or the warlords of Somalia.

It doesn't matter weather I think there should be or not..It wouldn't work.

No, I don't.

Doesn't sound like a very good idea.

Yeah. I think that would make things interesting. We could all see what it was like and if we wanted to try it too.

Of course in the real world if such a thing were to happen they would immediately be designated "terrorists" and introduced to the wonders of democracy, aerial bombardment and kangaroo courts.

Isn't that how Australia got started? Just dump off the lawless and allow them to figure it out.

Yes I do.

> No, there would be civil unrest all the time. We need a government.
> There has to be order for peace. Borders, like language and like
> culture is the core of a country. When a country is mixed, pluralized,
> civil unrest will ensue. Diversity is the death of a country, as
> what has happened in this country, as well as around the world.
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> No use rehashing the subject.

It's really too bad that we pretty much need a government, I mean it could work, but it would depend on the personalities of the people in the country. Like me for example, I get a long with pretty much everyone, I have no urge or any need to cause any harm to anyone and I have no need to take anything from anyone, But other people are just filled with hate and need to do bad things for what ever reason.... So really the bad people of this world are ruining it for the rest of us good people.

According to the Bible, God has allowed human government, since man would not accept God's government, knowing without some kind of order there will be disorder, disruption. I think peace loving people have to be on their toes, because once you let your freedoms go...they're hard to gain back.

I'm a very peaceful person, I get along well with people, but I like order, I can see disorder in our country. Americans had better wake up and see the writing on the wall. Yes, there are bad people in the world, so we have to protect ourselves from them. You see we have never been touched by war as the wars around the world, so I think Americans and Canadians have become soft, have allowed things to get out of control here.

No, don't think it would work.

That sounds ideal. I wonder if the collective opinion is people really want to have rules. Personally, I don't care for rules, as some things aren't a game to me. (Plus I don't like to be told what to do) I hate that I find I have to 'set my foot down' around here because I don't want twice as much work to do. My rule might involve something like "Leisure time shall be of equally divided".
It's all about getting along, and creating a trust based relationship of those around you.

there should

I would prefer to live around a bunch of people who had a conscience, respect, work ethic, consideration, etc and without even needing rules.

Skull Island, kong doesn't die.. doesn't!! Never!! Don't make me cryyyyyy..

i personally don't think it is possible.

but then you already started rehashing it, didn't you. by the way, nothing has HAPPENED in this country............. it has always been a country of immigrants.(that is after we took it from it's original inhabitants, the native americans) not all of the same origin.

No. It wouldn't work unless it was called lollipop land and existed somewhere other than this planet. There's always going to be a HItler in the group. Of course "the people" could always elect to murder him but that would take a vote which would take organization which would mean someone to set it up which would mean.....

Preposterous! I believe in government. Fair government..( hey is that an oxymoron? )

I ask you who did the American Indian take the country from? They aren't original peoples. The Indians did not create a country. You may think I dislike Indians, not the case, my great grandmother was 100% Cherokee. The young people for the last 50 years have been so dumbed down, they can bearly come up for air.

We are or were a nation of immigrants....from Europe. The intent for this country was immigrants from Europe. America was a country of caucasion Europeans, we created this country...and those same Europeans created Canada. Only when a corruption, the enemy infiltrated our government, and immigration department, did they flood this country with people outside of Europe, from "third world" (a liberal/leftist term) countries. The enemy knows that pluralism is destructive. This has been a long term agenda of the enemy. Once our freedoms are taken away, we may never regain them, or it will be difficult to regain. WAKE UP. The enemy wanted to congregate the "minorities", the women (women's lib), "third world countrry" people, the homosexual community against the caucasion Christian community. I will tell one thing Jettles, if the religion of Islam were to ever take this country over, they will kill the homosexual community, treat women like dirt, and use the rest as total slaves. The homosexual community and women better think "do I want to live or die, treated with respect, or as dirt"? The Christian faith is the only religion that it's statues say the women are to be treated with respect. Around the world, women are treated like dirt, and women from these countries have accepted it as so....this is wrong. At the same time, American women should respect our American men. You may think I dislike the homosexual community, not the case, I have family members that are homosexual, love them dearly, have always treated them with respect. I fear if the radical Islam ever took over this country, I'd have to protect them with my life, as I know they'd be killed.

On a smaller scale, the scenario is your private home...what would happen if someone in your home invited loads of people that do not think like you, have a different value system, a different type of living? I suspect there would be unrest....no peace in your home. Do you like peace, or confusion? Can you afford to take care of say 100 people into your home? Without government assistance? Perhaps they won't respect the rules of your house, they covet what is yours...and ultimately decide they want to take from you. You have lost your freedom, your home...never to be regain again, or at least for a long while. Think about it..

Satan is the god of this world, he is the author of confusion. Pluralism is confusion to the max. Satan is stirring up trouble, causing racial strife for all peoples. Does it mean I dislike other peoples? No...I get along well with other peoples, but I can just see from history, I can see the handwriting on the wall, people need to live with their own kind, who have the same value system.

As I've said, no use rehashing ....we're at an impasse. I'll listen, with respect, to what you say, but we both know we probably won't agree on the subject.

Regards, Lois

Well I wouldn't word it quite like that ... " God has allowed human government"... But that's because I don't believe in God. I believe way way way back when, people knew that there needed to be order in this world so he created the church and told everyone that a being (God) more powerful than man would damn him to hell if he didn't follow the church rules, and if anyone didn't follow the church rules followers of the church would actually decapitate the people that didn't follow. So the majority of the people listened, and followed the church rules. But over time of course some people would disagree with this "God thing" and try to get followers to go against the church and then that is how the government formed.. Well that's the gist of what I believe happend anyways. No offence or anything...

You wrote: "The enemy wanted to congregate the "minorities", the women (women's lib), "third world countrry" people, the homosexual community against the caucasion Christian community."

Who is this "enemy" you keep bringing up in your rants? If I were to believe what you write, I'd be convinced that an actual war is being waged on America, and not the other way around.

"On a smaller scale, the scenario is your private home...what would happen if someone in your home invited loads of people that do not think like you, have a different value system, a different type of living? I suspect there would be unrest....no peace in your home. Do you like peace, or confusion? Can you afford to take care of say 100 people into your home? Without government assistance? Perhaps they won't respect the rules of your house, they covet what is yours...and ultimately decide they want to take from you. You have lost your freedom, your home...never to be regain again, or at least for a long while. Think about it.."


When I read this all I could think of was a bunch of people like yourself in my house. You are right. There would be no peace. You would drive the people who live in my house completely mad and we'd have to be taken away in a paddy wagon. Then you would have my house all to yourselves.

Common sense would tell you CGTREE, that when there is order, you're happier, your mind is not "scattered". I don't care if it's a persons home, his/her work, when there is organization, things happen more smoothly. Since I am not scholar on the Bible, but do read and study, there are churches that have misled their people. As the Bible said God approved, out of seven churches...only two so that is evidence that some churches, perhaps unknowingly, misled their people. God is a compassionate loving God. Yes, I believe many churches have preached of an eternal death by fire. Think about it, nothing can burn forever. That is not God's plan. The second death is the final death, a flash, forever gone, but not eternally burning, writhing in pain...this is not so. In his guidance book, the Bible, he gave hundreds of principles by which to live by, to make his people have happier lives. He gave us rules to live by too. We, being, in the flesh will not be perfect, we will sin. I have sinned in my life time, and I hope for God's mercy. We have to TRY to walk a line in accordance with God's Word, in righteous living, but we as humans are weak, will fumble at times, but must try to the best of our ability to live right.

I don't know if you have any children CGTREE, but if you do, if you're a healthy normal parent, you want what is best for your children. You want to guide them in the right direction, making their lives better. Do you think it is any different with God? He wants his children to be healthy and happy. I know many people feel it is easier to not believe in God, so they have no one to account to, they can do as they want, they are rebellious, they themselves become a god unto themselves. This is disorderly.

Thank you for your post CGTREE.

Regards, Lois

There is an internal war in America. It has been a war against the European Christian foundation of this country, our culture, our language and our borders. The enemy are the traitors to our country, people in our government, the Federal Reserve, our media (news, entertainment), our corporations, our education system, Council on Foreign Relations....The one worlders. Only a few pull the strings.

Now PennyAnn, think of this on the large scale, your city, your state, your country. The enemy is doing a number in this country. But people are blind to only what they want for themselves, and not looking at the overall picture. Destroying our borders, one way of corrupting us. Destroy our money system. If anything we are trying to save this country.

That wasn't in any way an agreement to any of your ideas. I was being sarcastic and nasty.

I know....

So, basically, anyone with any influence is at war against the US?

Hypersky, a country is it's people, it's borders, it's language, it's culture. I can delve into a lot of things here, but would be too complicated, it would take pages, and pages. I feel there are evil forces in the world, has one agenda, and that is to make a one world economic government (The Beast in the Bible). We will lose our sovereignty. As government expands, liberty contracts. The enemy has used the peoples of the world, pluralism to cause unrest, they are used as pawns.

Have a lovely New Year's Eve, and 2007. Be safe!

Regards, Lois

Should or could?

Where's the Postman?

the intent was immigrants...................just stop there, you distort much of what our forefathers intended. this is NOT a christian nation. not that there would be anything wrong with that if you and your's didn't DISTORT your religion as well.
if you think you are frightening me with your talk of the islamists TAKING OVER, stop where you are!!! just stop with the fear factor. and please do not fool yourself into thinking that i feel RESPECTED by you. i do not. you do not speak of the homosexual community with respect. you are kidding yourself again. you may want to go back and read some of your own replies again. you speak of the gay population as second class citizens............ it is amazing to me that you think of how you speak of "your" kind and "their" kind and "not my own" kind with such flippancy and think of it as respect. and think that my not having the same rights as you as respect. and that women and the homosexual population in the US have been treated with such respect thus far by the christian community. you must be kidding!!! you have not walked in my shoes so please don't tell me how well i have or have not been respected.
once again, we don't see this world through the same pair of eyes........... i see mostly beauty whereas i fear you do not. we are humans first and all connected by that humanness and some modicum of humanity i would hope. we ALL need each other. you can't see the connections and only see division. quite sad i think!
and as i said, you always say, NO USE REHASHING, right after you have your 2 or 3 cents to say.........................................and don't bother to try, i know you have no respect for my life or beliefs.

No there shouldnt be............ You need some kind of hierarchy and structure etc

I want to preface by saying I know the liberals have a different outlook on our history, have tried to change it for their own agenda. The likes of the ACLU have done everything in their power, used our legal system to distort, twist the true intent of our Constitution and the true knowledge of our history. ….this I am aware.

Yes, you’re right the intent was immigration….from Europe, or other Christian nations, one being. Australia. No matter how you want to paint it, this country was founded on Christian principles. Our Constitution throughout, is on the principles of the Bible. It is natural that the homosexual community would feel the way they do, when the Bible clearly states, that homosexuality is an abomination….because only through the union of a man and woman, can God’s children enter this world.

My statement if the radical Islams take over this nation, that the homosexual community would be killed is not just a threat…it’s a fact. They are rigid on their beliefs, they kill you if your beliefs do not coincide with their beliefs….I’m sure you know this… The Christian nation has never said they’d kill someone because they don’t believe as they do. Do you think the liberals would live very long in a Radical Islamic state?.....I don't think so.

First of all, I do know something about homosexuality, have studied it through research, because of the homosexual people in my family. I can love the homosexual without approving of the lifestyle. I’ve had many homosexual people in my home through my family members. Have always treated them well, and with respect. I treat any homosexual like a I treat a heterosexual with good manners. You’re right, I haven’t lived in your shoes, nor have you in mine. I realize in every homosexuals life there has been pain and or a lack of nurturing, in the earliest years of their lives…and continued. I’ve investigated groups that have healed the homosexual, but the longer a person is in the lifestyle, the more difficult. I do not dislike the homosexual, I feel compassion.….but at the same time I don’t want the lifestyle crammed down mine or children’s throats in school, as being a healthy, happy lifestyle. And if you feel the homosexual community has been disrespected because we don’t want the label of “marriage” tacked to the homosexual union, I’m very sorry. Marriage is a union between a man and woman…period. If a homosexual union is termed as a marriage by law, I feel it is a slap in the face of God. Homosexuals are not second class citizens, they just aren’t married in the same sense as a man and a woman.

As you know, I’ve spoken of it often, I believe in peace and order. From what I understand throughout history, mixed cultures, peoples with their own beliefs, clash. There was a reason why God separated us by language, and country, God knows through man’s government, a peaceful life will not be successful. Only through God’s government will there be real peace. But in todays world, with Satan at the helm there will be confusion, as we see today. Through the drug culture, and dumbing down of American children, can all this take place.

I know in the liberals eyes, anything goes, no standards, values, there is anarchy, do “what feels good”…a lot of drugs going on. But you see that doesn’t work in the real world.

When I say let's not rehash I meant is I haven't changed my thoughts on the issues, nor have you or many others.

I realize we may agree to disagree….I wish you happiness Jettles….Have a Happy 2007.

Regards, Lois

Firstly, I'd like to know what you mean by 'It is natural that the homosexual community would feel the way they do'. What do you know of the gay community from the Bible and what you read in the paper? We are not one person; there are gays who denounce the Bible, who follow it, who follow a different religion; not every gay feels the same, acts the same, etc.

'I realize in every homosexuals life there has been pain and or a lack of nurturing, in the earliest years of their lives…and continued.'
Surprisingly enough, it wasn't until after I 'realised' I was gay until trouble started happening in my life. And it wasn't because of it, either. My childhood was quite boring and average. I've never got on properly with my mum, but that's simply because we are clashing people. I can think of six out of the seven gay/bisexual people I know well, male and female, who've had a decent childhood.

What's unhappy or unhealthy about being a homosexual, anyway?
How do we achieve 'God's government'?
'There was a reason why God separated us by language, and country,'
How do you explain civil wars?
'I know in the liberals eyes, anything goes, no standards, values, there is anarchy, do “what feels good”…a lot of drugs going on. But you see that doesn’t work in the real world.'
How can there be liberal political parties if liberals believe in anarchy?

my point to you was--- do you not think that there are homosexuals in THIS country who have been killed in the name of christianity or have been pushed to the point of taking their own lives due to christian zealots??
the research you have studied is flawed research if it is comprised of the "so called" research conducted by far right and christian groups. it has been proven to be flawed. i think you should list the research you have "studied" and i will list every well founded study. and you may as well rethink the deprived of nuturing or pain theory, i think that may apply to many people of either heterosexual or homosexual roots without any link.
the disrespect is in your all knowing manner without any real knowledge, your "love the sinner, hate the sin" attitude in which you speak down to my life as a whole and in your insistence of things that you don't back up ("homosexuals aren't second class citizens just not married the sense"- that would mean we don't have the same rights as the general public. in any other group that would be considered second class).
i think you need to have a more well rounded information highway, your beliefs about liberals and people "different" from you are quite distorted! and as i have said before, the differences never end even the way in which some christians believe as opposed to your beliefs would make you say "they" aren't true christians.
enjoy your new year. find some more open and objective information outlets and open your eyes! and discover true respect is generally without judgment!

Firstly, I'd like to know what you mean by 'It is natural that the homosexual community would feel the way they do'. What do you know of the gay community from the Bible and what you read in the paper? We are not one person; there are gays who denounce the Bible, who follow it, who follow a different religion; not every gay feels the same, acts the same, etc.
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It is natural the homosexual community would feel the way they do, because of what the Bible states. My opinion about homosexuals is from my own experience with the people in my family, as well as those I’ve met. It appears to me homosexuals want to reject God’s Word as just being the work of earthly man, and not inspired by God. I don’t know how “all” homosexuals feel, but most of who I have met. I know one fine homosexual man who is a Christian, I adore him immensely.
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'I realize in every homosexuals life there has been pain and or a lack of nurturing, in the earliest years of their lives…and continued.'
Surprisingly enough, it wasn't until after I 'realised' I was gay until trouble started happening in my life. And it wasn't because of it, either. My childhood was quite boring and average. I've never got on properly with my mum, but that's simply because we are clashing people. I can think of six out of the seven gay/bisexual people I know well, male and female, who've had a decent childhood.
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I once, over TV, saw this doctor that stated there were 180 ways a person can become a homosexual. I also called a group in Utah, and the woman I talked to said the program helped the homosexual to “reconnect” with their parents. She went into detail, and all she said made sense. It boils down to the breakdown of the family, in one way or the other. It’s the human psyche. I then talked to an herbologist that stated a minute part of homosexuality is hormonal, happening in gestation through stress. The breakdown of the family, can, even in minute amounts cause changes in a person‘s psyche.
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What's unhappy or unhealthy about being a homosexual, anyway?
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I think it is obvious to me why a homosexual relationship is unhappy or unhealthy, by what I have observed through my homosexual family members, and some others….the mere thought being it is unnatural. I do not consider homosexuals "second class" citizens, it's just we think differently.
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How do we achieve 'God's government'?
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Melrfaz, we’re not going to achieve ‘God’s government’, only God will do that.
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'There was a reason why God separated us by language, and country,'
How do you explain civil wars?
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Good question Melrfaz, obviously, I don’t have all the answers, but I believe God knew mankind’s weaknesses, he knew we needed to be separated because of our differences, because some forces want to do just what they’re doing now…wanting to make a one world economic system. Man is wanting to become Godlike. “When government expands, liberty contracts”….keep that in mind Melrfaz. As far as civil wars, being internal, they are contained, governed by their own kind.
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'I know in the liberals eyes, anything goes, no standards, values, there is anarchy, do “what feels good”…a lot of drugs going on. But you see that doesn’t work in the real world.'
How can there be liberal political parties if liberals believe in anarchy?
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I believe liberals have a party of anarchy.

I wish you a very Happy New Year...2007.

Regards, Lois

Unless it's a four square kilometres 1,000 people island nation, no.

> you mean like Somalia?

Somalia has a government. They're just powerless. And there is more than one. And they're there right with the warlords.

...and Ethiopia is attacking them. And the lawlessness has caused there to be support for harsh Sharia law.

My point in mentioning Somalia was that a country with "no government" seems to imply a mess like Somalia. "no government" leaves a power vacuum that people just fill with other, similar things (like Warlords). To have a sustained lack of government, you'd need a power structure that ensures that no government be put in its place. But, that would also be a form of government. Thus, the notion is "no government" is an absurd paradox.

Firstly, I'd like to know what you mean by 'It is natural that the homosexual community would feel the way they do'. What do you know of the gay community from the Bible and what you read in the paper? We are not one person; there are gays who denounce the Bible, who follow it, who follow a different religion; not every gay feels the same, acts the same, etc.
'It is natural the homosexual community would feel the way they do, because of what the Bible states.'
How exactly do we all feel, then? Can you tell me what every homosexual feels about what the Bible preaches?

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'I realize in every homosexuals life there has been pain and or a lack of nurturing, in the earliest years of their lives…and continued.'
Surprisingly enough, it wasn't until after I 'realised' I was gay until trouble started happening in my life. And it wasn't because of it, either. My childhood was quite boring and average. I've never got on properly with my mum, but that's simply because we are clashing people. I can think of six out of the seven gay/bisexual people I know well, male and female, who've had a decent childhood.
'I once, over TV, saw this doctor that stated there were 180 ways a person can become a homosexual. I also called a group in Utah, and the woman I talked to said the program helped the homosexual to “reconnect” with their parents. She went into detail, and all she said made sense. It boils down to the breakdown of the family, in one way or the other. It’s the human psyche. I then talked to an herbologist that stated a minute part of homosexuality is hormonal, happening in gestation through stress. The breakdown of the family, can, even in minute amounts cause changes in a person‘s psyche.'

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21000495-401,... Must be traumatic for the sheep, huh? The breakdown of the family, that is.
And, by the way, a massive of two out of the seven gay/bisexual peoples' I know well enough parents are divorced, which is about average.

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What's unhappy or unhealthy about being a homosexual, anyway?
'I think it is obvious to me why a homosexual relationship is unhappy or unhealthy, by what I have observed through my homosexual family members, and some others….the mere thought being it is unnatural. I do not consider homosexuals "second class" citizens, it's just we think differently.'
You didn't answer my question.

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'God knows through man’s government, a peaceful life will not be successful. Only through God’s government will there be real peace. But in todays world, with Satan at the helm there will be confusion, as we see today.'... 'Melrfaz, we’re not going to achieve ‘God’s government’, only God will do that. '
So we are doomed to live a confusing life? Peaceful lives are impossible? You want me to buy into a religion with that kind of pessimistic view on life?

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How do you explain civil war?
'Good question Melrfaz, obviously, I don’t have all the answers, but I believe God knew mankind’s weaknesses, he knew we needed to be separated because of our differences, because some forces want to do just what they’re doing now…wanting to make a one world economic system. Man is wanting to become Godlike. “When government expands, liberty contracts”….keep that in mind Melrfaz. As far as civil wars, being internal, they are contained, governed by their own kind.'
Well if civil wars happen among like people then how do we know if one language (for example) wouldn't work? The spread of languages and races has happened by default; it will always happen when a species is spread out across the world. Isn't ironic how most people view other, bilingual people as intellects yet 'God' is the one who seperated us by language?

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'I believe liberals have a party of anarchy.'
But that doesn't make any sense! Take the Liberal Democrats for example, a British political party. They are far from anarchic:
'The Liberal Democrats describe their ideology as giving "power to the people". They state they are against the undemocratic concentration of power in unaccountable bodies. They propose decentralisation of power out of Westminster. They would also create a system of tiered government structures to make decisions at what they see as the right level, including regional assemblies, the European Union, and international organisations.

In keeping with the principle of decentralisation of power, the Liberal Democrats are keen protectors of civil liberties and oppose intervention of the state in personal affairs.'
http://www.libdems.org.uk/

You da man!!! I mean....You da WOman!!!!

"As you know, I’ve spoken of it often, I believe in peace and order. From what I understand throughout history, mixed cultures, peoples with their own beliefs, clash. There was a reason why God separated us by language, and country, God knows through man’s government, a peaceful life will not be successful."

So why did he not make us all of the same race and language. Then there would be no problems, no clashing.

So, considering the homosexuals you know, what percentage of the entire population of homosexuals would that be? .000000000000000000000002% or something?

Perhaps the dysfunction in the homosexuals within in your family is a symbol of something wrong in your family, and not because they are homosexuals.

Tru dat!

Clashing is what happens when people can't accept differences. It isn't caused by mixing cultures, it's caused by people who don't want to mix.

PennyAnn, a civilized society can't exist without some kind of government, some order. THE LARGER THE GOVERNMENT, THE LESS FREEDOM WE HAVE.....as Reagan said, "when government expands, liberty contracts". THE MORE RACES THAT CONGREGATE TOGETHER (DIVERSITY), THE LESS FREEDOM ALL THE RACES HAVE. The enemy by having the different races congregate WANT to cause racial strife, destroy our country through division. . All the races were born as they are.. The languages were changed for just the reason that is happening now...a one world order, the Beast in the Bible, a one world economic system. You can see it happening today....

But why didn't god just make us all the same race and use the same language if this was going to be a problem? Did I say anything about government? No. Where in the bible do you find the words 'one world order'?

Actually, my family (my children) get along quite well. I believe the reason my brother become a homosexual was my father was passive, was a workaholic, didn't give my brother the time he needed, and my mother was dominant in his life. Of course, if my father knew what the outcome would have been, he would have been more attentive. My niece was molested by her stepfather from the age of 7 years to 13 years, when I stopped it by filing an action against him. (that’s another story) My niece never had a positive father figure in her life. My daughter is homosexual because her father and I were divorced when she was a year old, and I married a year and a half later to a man that had a problem accepting another man's children. I've been married to this man for almost 46 years, and he still to this day is not a loving father to them. In essence, the only father figure in my daughters lives was a man that rejected them, wasn't fatherly at all. And I trying to mother four little children without zip help from him, gave me little time to give my oldest daughter the attention she needed. Tears well up in my eyes every time I think about how I failed my daughter, actually both my daughters, it has been difficult. My oldest daughter became homosexual, the other is heterosexual, Both my sons are heterosexual.

Can you see the issues here?….a breakdown of the family. However, subtle it may be…it’s the breakdown of the family. I knew a friend of my daughter who was heterosexual, but her brother was a homosexual. The friend and I discussed her brother. She said her dad wasn’t attentive, and the mother was a dominant figure in his life. She dressed him up in girls clothes for Halloween…this sounds all so familiar to me. The mothers treating the boys as their little girls. Then again, if the mothers knew the outcome, they wouldn’t have done the things they did.

Only God has the answers. I believe it perhaps had something to do with what happened in the first world age.

It speaks in the Bible about the Beast, a one world economic system. Below is a site I just went to, can tell you a little on the subject. There is actual wording of a "world economic system" in the Bible. Regarding the "chip" it is already in use. We have lost our privacy, our freedom.

http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/Mark-Of-The-B...

What reason does your daughter give for being homosexual? Different than yours?

Many people have the same problems you describe and don't come out homosexual. So what was different for them?

Where in the bible are the words 'one world order', not the beast, but 'one world order'? What chip?

why thanks, i always struggle with replying or not to LJD because i know it is a losing battle but then i can't help myself at times because i allow her comments to push those buttons! hope your holidays were good ones pennyann!

My daughter told me she thought she was by preteen She has no answers, doesn't understand it.

As I've said, there are many, many ways, however, subtle, can cause someone to become homosexual. I've only told you my family's circumstances...they endured some of those ways. From my observations from others I know....I can see how it happened. There is a neighbor boy, such a handsome young man, they have had family problems, I can see things of the whys with his young man.

It boils down to the family...

Thanks, yes they were good. And I have the same problem. You just express it better than I could.

It would be interesting to see what would happen. I imagine it would be anarchy, Lord of the Flies, Wild West chaotic.

It would not work. You would have some power-hungry person who would take control of the country by force.