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| single | 1-Aug-2006 | hypothetical question | Zang | by votes | 42 | 6 | 57.9% |
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| User | Comment |
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| clare | posted 2-Aug-2006 4:11am Initially I'd give him a warning about this, but I would consider firing him if it became obvious that his clothing choice caused the deal to not go through. At the very least a demotion. |
| Melf | posted 2-Aug-2006 7:18am I would warn Raymond not to do this again or he would face dismissal. I wouldn't let a woman wear a leather miniskirt to work, if I were boss. |
| dab | posted 2-Aug-2006 7:21am I wouldn't sit through the uncomfortable presentation, saying nothing. I'd pull him out immediately and find out what's going on. Probably fire him on the spot. |
| FordGuy | posted 2-Aug-2006 8:30am Is he wearing hosiery? Cuz mini skirts and bare legs are bad, bad, bad. IF he had the sense to wear some legwear, then all would be fine.
Why do I poke fun? Because this is a stupid question. NO international business deal is going to be broken by what some dude is wearing. Gosh, I hope he remembered his stilettos. |
| Biggles | posted 2-Aug-2006 8:38am Not in the first instance. I would think that dressing inappropriately should be grounds for dismissal, but since we're a big company I wouldn't even think of speaking to Raymond until I had first consulted with some lawyers. Assuming Raymond is usually reliable, I would go with the warning option in the first place, as long as the lawyers green-lighted that approach. I think another thing that I would consider, if Raymond said that he wanted to continue to dress that way, is giving him a backseat, i.e. removing him from having face to face contact with clients, but allowing him to continue working for the company. |
| Melf | (reply to Biggles) posted 2-Aug-2006 8:45am Good point; I never thought about consulting lawyers. |
| Biggles | (reply to Melf) posted 2-Aug-2006 8:48am Can you imagine not getting sued for unfair dismissal in a multinational corp? |
| Melf | (reply to Biggles) posted 2-Aug-2006 8:55am And the tabloids would have a field day. |
| Biggles | posted 2-Aug-2006 9:13am "Miniskirt man's multinational marching-orders" |
| judgescratch | posted 2-Aug-2006 9:13am I would warn Raymond not to do this again or he would face dismissal.
He needs to understand what's appropriate when and where. He's not corporate material without this basic understanding of tact. |
| paulyw | posted 2-Aug-2006 10:23am I would fire him on the spot! |
| bill | posted 2-Aug-2006 11:10am It seems like deliberate sabotage given the situation. I'd wonder if Raymond has psychological problems. I'd fire him on the spot. |
| Amanda | posted 2-Aug-2006 11:36am I'd consult an attorney and see what course of action I could take without getting my ass sued. |
| Enheduanna | posted 2-Aug-2006 12:22pm I would probably talk to Raymond and find out what was going on. |
| BionicLips | posted 2-Aug-2006 12:52pm When you work for somebody else you follow his rules. Obviously Raymond's attire wasn't appropriate for that setting so he has to pay the consequences. |
| southernyankee | posted 2-Aug-2006 1:20pm I would warn him about it, since its his first offense. Firing him after the fact won't do you any good, unless it enboldens other employees to pull similar stunts. It also wouldn't be my place to try to convince the Japanese whats appropriate or not (it not the norm even here), your job is to do business with them. |
| kitti723 | posted 2-Aug-2006 8:49pm I think I would talk with any one wearing a mini skirt to a business meeting whether they were male or female but especially male because it is a male dominant society and is not appropriate in any dress code for any male. It is up to company what is acceptable most of the time. There are always exceptions for men & women in dress codes in corporations as far as I've seen. They never mention men wearing stockings but sometimes insist women do. It's up to the man. |
| Zang | posted 2-Aug-2006 9:46pm I'd fire his ass on the spot.
If he had simply shown up for work dressed like that, it would have been no big deal. This is serious bad timing to be trying something like this. On the other hand, if he had a good excuse...I don't think one exists, but if somehow he came up with an explanation that sounded reasonable, I might back off on the firing. I can't see that though. |
| Zang | posted 2-Aug-2006 9:48pm Incidentally, this is version two of a survey I did back in February. I'm guessing the results will be quite different.
http://surveycentral.org/survey/23713.html |
| Bittersweet19 | posted 3-Aug-2006 7:05am Wow, this is a real thinking question. Well, I'd hate to lose a client but I don't want to upset or fire someone just because they tried a different style of clothing. I think I would talk to Raymond and ask him if he would dress more professionally while at work because work shouldn't be a place to show off new clothing or fashion. If he refuses, then it would depend on how this affected other opportunities. If several other clients backed down due to this I'd insist on a change or fire Raymond. Otherwise, I see no reason to. |
| verouge | posted 3-Aug-2006 9:09am I would tell him not to do it again! |
| Enigma | posted 3-Aug-2006 10:58am I would consult a Lawyer about how to best fire him so his actions don't enable him to get money out of me. I would not have let him get much further than the door actually I would have escorted him out of the meeting. Upon returning I would explain to the clients that "Raymond has had a severe mental breakdown and would no longer be active with the account". Why so namby pamby about the situation? Unless the guy did have a mental breakdown he was obviously trying to sabotage the meeting. I'm not aware of the exact etiquette of international meetings but I'm sure mini-skirts (on women never mind men) is not acceptable. |
| LJD | posted 3-Aug-2006 4:20pm I think it was in very bad taste to wear a mini skirt, did not show as a professional. I would warn Raymond to never do it again, as his job is on the line, he will be fired if it should ever happen again. |
| ROCKMAN | posted 5-Aug-2006 9:39am I would probaby fire him. |
| cloudhugger | posted 6-Aug-2006 2:43pm I would try to convince the clients that Raymond's outfit is acceptable.
Remember the old 'Bewitched' series when Darren would have to explain quirky relatives of Samantha's to his clients..? Worked every time, everyone came out a winner. Than I would fire his dumb iresponsible ass. |
| docgbrown | posted 14-Aug-2006 12:56pm I would talk to Raymond to get his story, consult a lawyer for next time and warn Raymond not to do this again or he would face dismissal. |
| Iseult | posted 22-Aug-2006 9:30pm Fire Raymond for blowing the deal (if his gimmick had worked, I would've rewarded him) and consult a lawyer, too, just in case. |
| mve17 | posted 23-Aug-2006 7:45pm I'd laugh my head off. I love Raymond! |
| Zang | (reply to mve17) posted 27-Aug-2006 3:44am > I'd laugh my head off. I love Raymond!
Everybody loves Raymond! |
| mve17 | (reply to Zang) posted 28-Aug-2006 9:14am Too true! |
| RGirl | posted 9-Sep-2006 9:22pm I would fire Raymond AND consult a lawyer. Raymond was unprofessional and did something that could serious hurt the company. Let him wear a miniskirt with everyday business but he should know something this big calls for traditional dress. We're not trying to encourage diversity to a culture that is big on formality. We want the deal & if we could influence the people we would like to be in business with by all wearing leather mini skirts then we would all show up in one- for the company, business. The lawyer comes when the employee will undoubtedly try to sue the company for discrimination. |
| skirtsnhose | posted 15-May-2009 8:04pm I would fire Raymond for demonstrating excrutiatingly poor judgment. Everyone knows that you don't wear a leather miniskirt to a business meeting. If he wanted to wear a skirt to the meeting, he should have worn one that matched his suit coat. |
| Shadow47 | posted 23-Feb-2010 12:41pm Miniskirt might be my issue here. Close to the knee may be more appropriate for business. he he. Americans need to get over our hang-ups on some style of gender clothing |
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