How did everything come from nothing?

Natural process.

I'm saying a combination because supernatural sometimes is only something we don't understand yet & seems unlikely as magic. I'm sure the natural processes were of such a magnitude it can qualify as supernatural at the same time.

I really like the theory (I think it's part of String Theory) that the big bang happens when two membranes (like universes) touch each other. It's hard to imagine we'd ever have a way of setting up an experiment that proves this, though.

In some cosmologies, only this moment exists. Time is relative anyhow, even if you don't see it as all existing at once.

If you want a parallel universe theory, consider that if emptiness is neutral, and mass is either negative or positive, which cancel each other out when combined, then if the emptiness were separated into positive and negative at the location of our every proton and electron, then an identical universe from the nothingness with negtons and positrons complements it. - This of course still doesn't answer the primal cause question.

I see it all as a sort of hologram, in the moment, built from archetypes, and ultimately becoming vast details complete with history and future.

Who's to say time isn't flowing the other direction? The only difference between past and future is our memory. If we alzheimers but had near total precognition, then future and history would reverse roles. In many ways time is purely an attribute of conciousness, and therefore, plugging the speed of light d/t into e=mc^2, matter and energy too are consciuosness.

Given preservation of energy/mass conversion, as recombinant DNA, within the scope of eternity, every possible universe will eventually exist.

On the other hand, a Big Collapse is also inevitable given the current universe. While the universe may be spreading, with momentum, and without friction, still the center of gravity will eventually reverse that trend.

I could go on about similar stuff all night. Epiphonmenalistic god is another interesting topic.

God spoke it into existance

Who says it came from nothing?

By God's wonderful design, wisdom.

I don't believe everything came ex nihilo. To me it's more likely that matter existed before, in some other form, than that it never had.

It didn't. It came from something, but we don't know what or how.

Why is it okay for God to have always been and not the Universe, in some form or another?

> Why is it okay for God to have always been and not the Universe, in
> some form or another?

Because science proves that time, space, and matter are all linked and adhere to certain laws.
Cosmic alchemy requires physical ingredients.

The concept of God is metephysical.

I have no idea. The pulsar and the many-world theory sounds interesting though.

Nothing is something...

> Why is it okay for God to have always been and not the Universe, in
> some form or another?


The universe is God - energy is God, we're all part of 'God'...
Krystal made a good point - there is only now, forever...
With our limited lifespan; we can't help but measure time but doing so is as pointless as believing that we are free...

> |> Why is it okay for God to have always been and not the Universe,
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> Because science proves that time, space, and matter are all linked
> and adhere to certain laws.
> Cosmic alchemy requires physical ingredients.
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> The concept of God is metephysical.
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Do you think we just explained the same thing but in different words to Romkey? (Check my answer above)

God spoke and there was a big bang.

the world may never know

No, not really. I'm saying that the characteristics of God can be what ever you believe them to be. If I tell you that my god is a purple unicorn it can't be refuted by natural laws because that is what I believe.

You can say that, but the general definition of 'god' is as the animating force of the universe. While that could be a giant invisible purple unicorn, people still expect there to be some connection between the creator and natural laws, and the consciousness of humanity.

If the universe was a glob of sludge, I could see one not making much of the matter.

While matter may have natural laws, and god may be metaphysical, the word metaphysical in itself is about there being something behind/above the 'physical'. Karma, grace, transcendant laws of ethics, etc., and not totally beyond and disassociated from physics.

Then your explanations sucks...

Oh I dont know, maybe a combo of natural and the supernatural.. I find the String Theory really interesting, I started to read a book about it last year, but I soon gave it up in the end.. I'll just keep going on with my little life just not knowing the answers or the ins and outs to all the theorys.. I like to know OF them though.. I just dont need to know enough about them to give a speech or a debate on the subjects.. I leave that sort of thing to my brother and my Dad.

We're a freak of nature, I think. Which is a natural process.

I don't know, however I don't believe there was ever a time when there was "nothing". If there is a God, I think he organized matter. If there is no God I think matter just cycles throughout the universe. I also don't believe in the Big Bang theory. Just because things are moving apart in this relatively tiny corner of infinity doesn't mean it's happening everywhere.

One piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime.

The universe was created by mankind and man used a flying saucer to create the Moon the Earth and Stars, and with sex man created me" Female and he Rockman Male and Fordguy male, and very soon so many babies were born into this world and just about all babies were female and very few were men?????

> Who says it came from nothing?

I say it came from nothing' mankind with his flying saucer and green suits created the Earth and the whole universe think about it for a minute????????????????????????????????????

It makes my head hurt..
What came first, the chicken or the egg..
It's crazy crap..

I have no reason to believe that it did. This is the 21st century. I think we can put all those silly superstitions and creation myths behind us.

I don't know. This isn't something I think about very often. When I start thinking about it, I come up with these ideas that my mind's not ready to wrap around.

I am sure it's a combination, why? bec i believe in God and in that anything in life has a reason, and any material has a source.

Good question. Natural causes I think, but I can't even begin to imagine how or why.......

I have no evidence of anything other than natural processes in this universe. Therefore, I think it is reasonable to say that the universe likely came about through natural processes.

Although, if before the universe there was no time, then could "nothing" have even been said to be a state?

I love pondering these questions. When some one told me the universe never ended (I'm not sure what the latest theory is) I said it had to. Everything ends, but then I realized that when something ends, something else follows, so there would have to be something on the other side of the end of the universe.

Good point, something always fills time, outside of time doesn't count.

Who said everything must end? Physics is big on the laws of conservation, that things may transmute to matter, energy , or light, but they'll always be around in one form of another.

I loved Romkeys point, if the universe can go on forever in the future, who's to say it hasn't gone on forever in the past. While most think matter lasts forever, not ending, people tend to think it needed to start. If you see no direction to time though, there's no difference between an eternal future and an eternal past. Direction to time is all in our heads. We only recall one side of it, and thus claim that history was the primary cause of our memory. If instead of memory, we had precognition, then the future would be the cause of our current head state, and thus the future would become the past, and vice versa.

I totally believe in time as a dimension. Our 3 dimensions do not end and there are an infinite number of them. Time as the 4th dimension is something I honestly consider. If like the other dimensions it too will be infinite in all directions.

Any body heard of the books Flatland and Flatterland? Flatland was written in the Victorian era. If you want to learn basic geometry played out by men and women in that social era it is excellent. Lots of fun and short. Flatterland is more contemporary, more involved and the story isn't as humorous. I got half way through. It is tough understanding but once I got each point it was fascinating. I have notes and diagrams all over it.

On occasion I do a form of meditation called accessing the Akashic Records. Those essentially being the memory of god, ourselves being made of god, we have access to knowledge of any place or time. While I'm not technically Christian, the heaviest vision I had was a first hand experience of the resurrection. It had me full of tears. I turned on the radio when I woke up. (sometimes these visions hapeen in sleep, sometimes awake in meditation) to get some more info, and was just in time to hear the first reports of the WTC 9-11 incident roll in which was somewhat related to the nature of the vision.

I've experienced several dimensions (parallel planes) here on earth. They're more accessable than you might imagine. It's a bit like watching a movie with multiple soundtrack options. Same actions occur, but totally different story, causes, and meanings. In some there is no sense of time at all. A telepathic conversation goes on in some. In some, the atmic and buddhic planes are visible, allowing one to open portals akin to those on the show Sliders in their living room. I've also seen plenty ghosts of various types. In one sort of vision things appear in clouds, wood grains, and such, but animated and telling an informative story. I've even done some spirit photography. For instance in that latter sort of vision, I have my friend casting two projections of herself, one in the rocks, and one in the leaves. I figure the quantity of planes is also infinite. I've also played with rewriting history. That one would take a long time to explain, but the essence of it is that each now contains it's own past and future. Change what we have now, and you change what always has been.

" That one would take a long time to explain, but the essence of it is that each now contains it's own past and future."

Yes.

My sixth grade teacher used to read from that to us. I'm sure she lost many listeners, hence her discussion afterwards, but I had no difficulty following it. Flatterland I haven't encountered. I've done some things in math considered impossible, like geometrically 7-secting a circle without approximation techinques (in theory, never got around to building an 8-dimensional mechanical set of dividers. (2-D dividers drawing arcs are used to bisect a line)), and solving Fermats Last Theorm.

Ok, I don't recognize most of what you said, but it is probably mostly because of the names. I remember concepts, but not the names of them easily.

Fermats Last Theorm asks you to prove that A^n + B^n = C^n only holds true for right triangles when n=2 (the pythagorean theorm). It can be proved by plotting ranges of proportions (A^n + B^n)/C^n in calculus style for an extreme range of right triangles, for a range of powers, so that one can clearly map out that all those conditions diverge and only intersect at n=2. Mathematicians worked on it for three hundred years. Some guy, head of Princeton, thinks he solved it using volumes of 20th c. math, but Fermat, when proposing the problem said the answer would nearly fit in the margin of the book.

I love thinking about it until I get to that point where I get completly spaced out. Just trying to conceive of the universe not existing , of nothing existing at all makes my brain do loops.

Time is so central to everything. If there was no time before time, then "before time" has no meaning.

That was peoples point. I think. The central question there is 'is time a thing, as matter is, (same question for space), or is it some consistent eternal foundation force'. My opinion is that it is an elastic property of universal consciousness, and plugged into e=mc^2 provides a formulaic means of seeing existence as a property of consciousness. If the properties of energy and matter are contingent upon time, it's implied that they come as a set.

I think thinking about anything existing is more fascinating that the thought of nothing existing.

I believe in the scientific reasons behind the supernatural. Universe abhors a void, therefore something must fill it.

I dont know, heres a guess mc2. The beauty of science is that its not an exact science.
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