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What would it take for you to believe in a second coming?

Whether you are Christian, Buddhist, or atheist, what would it take to convince you that the old biblical prophet/saint/god-in-flesh had literally returned.



VotesAnswer
6The second coming would have to be a plainly visible global supernatural phenomenon.
3The Christ would have to return in human form.
0The Christ would have to be a male.
1The Christ would have to named Jesus, Christ, or something similar.
2The Christ would have to have a virgin birth.
1The Christ would have to have be caucasian.
0The Christ would have to have be some other race.
0The Christ would have to first appear as an adult (materialized out of nowhere).
1The Christ would have to perform miracles.
8The Christ would have to perform miracles not explainable by physics.
0I would have to see these miracles on tv.
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1The miracles would have to have huge societal effect.
5I would have to see these miracles in person.
1Many or specific clergy would have to announce a confirmation.
1Many or specific clergy would have to test the prophet.
3The Christ would have to say things secret to me by which I could recognize him/her.
1Many other people would have to have a belief that this is the return of the Christ first.
5I would require some change in emotional or spiritual consciousness as a consequence of some level of interaction with them.
6Other criteria would need met.
4Nothing could convince me of a literal biblical second coming of Christ.
2I interpret the second coming to mean something other than a global event involving the return of any specific being in the flesh.

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gambler Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Sep-2005 7:49pm  
The Christ would have to perform miracles not explainable by physics.


Is probably it.............and in front of me too
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 18-Sep-2005 8:50pm  
I'd have to believe in a first coming, first.
hypersky
posted 18-Sep-2005 10:29pm  
Plainly, you have to have some degree of faith to answer this, which I'm not sure I do. That said, if I were to see something that could not be explained by anything known to science, I would at the very least consider the possibility of a miracle.

To answer the question, I do not believe that a second coming is in the cards because the original story does not carry much credibility to begin with. Let's face it, with a dozen or more writers, dozens of translations that have suffered their fair share of interpretation, it is hard to accept as unaldulterated fact the events that are said to have happened in the Bible.

All this to say that I'll save the fireworks for something tangible.
iwish40
posted 19-Sep-2005 12:03am  
Wow, it looks like you put a lot of thought into this survey. From all the possible answers one can give it makes me belive that either you do believe in the 2nd coming, you don't belive in the 2nd coming, your not sure if you believe, you believe but your not sure you should.
Saying that. here's my answer.
The 2nd coming will be visible by all according to the Bible.
When Christ arose from the grave he was in his spiritual state but he was in human form.
Christ was male.
Jesus Christ was named Jesus Christ. hence the name Jesus Christ.
Christ was born of a Virgin (Mary)
Christ did perform miracles (raised Lazerous from the dead, turned water into wine)
iamdonte
posted 19-Sep-2005 2:27am  
Other: I would have to believe in the first coming of Christ.
mve17
posted 19-Sep-2005 11:07am  
its all gay
gsummers
posted 19-Sep-2005 12:39pm  
I dont put thought into this kind of thing in the first place, so I really don't have an answer.. I dont hold alot of faith to believe in a second coming..so It would take a whole lot for me to even be in that mindset.
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to iamdonte) posted 19-Sep-2005 1:41pm  
 * raspberry *
patarnone
posted 19-Sep-2005 2:51pm  
I believe in the concept of "Oneness" and the certainty of reincarnation. All souls will come "into the earth" when their time is right.

I personally don't need a flesh and blood "second coming" to become a better person, but the World might.
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 19-Sep-2005 3:28pm  
Jesus came back in 2000, but he couldn't get any news coverage. He's living now in a homeless shelter for the mentally disabled.

~

It would have to be a huge supernatural phenomenon I could see or feel, and if not, i.e. it was a humble humanesque return, I'd have to have much spirit voice consulting that it was actually happening.

I take any words of a second coming to be a metaphor for personal experiences, just as one's spiritual rebirth is.

My point in this survey is that if someone came back just as Jesus did the first time, he'd probably end up as described at the beginning of my comment.
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 19-Sep-2005 3:46pm  
I was musing last night about how if one in 10,000 writesa song once a year, that there'd be 1800 new songs per day to review. That got me to thinking about our '15 minutes of fame', which got me to a calculation of interest here:

If a person lived 100 years, in order to see all the people here on earth, one would have to say hello to 8000people per hour (if you don't sleep) (that's 2 people per second).
If you only spent 8 hrs day, for 40 years you'd have to visit 60,000 people per hour, or 17 per second.
Anyone getting 15 minutes of world fame is getting 1500 times their just allotment.
Dino
posted 19-Sep-2005 4:25pm  
I don't believe in the first coming.

But it would be his/her words that would convince me they were wise.

And the less interested they were in being worshipped the better.

iamdonte
(reply to romkey) posted 19-Sep-2005 11:20pm  
 * laughing out loud *
Jody
posted 21-Sep-2005 1:29pm  
The implication in the Bible is that when Jesus returns, nobody will doubt it is Him.
Zang
posted 21-Sep-2005 3:28pm  
I suppose the first step would be hearing that some other people had identified some individual as being the "second coming".

The second step would be to evaluate this belief on its merits. Until that happens, I really can't say how I would react.
Enigma
posted 22-Sep-2005 5:48am  
How wonderfully self centred to think there will be time to "evaluate" whether you are "convinced" it is the second coming. When Jesus comes back there won't be anyone questioning it after all it will be judgement day. There will be a lot of far too late ass kissing going on and a lot kissing their ass goodbye. At least this is what I've heard  * wink *
BTW my opinion wasn't on your list so this is my unchecked answer.
dilfreak
posted 22-Sep-2005 11:15am  
Other...... I don't need proof to know that something is going to happen. It's called faith, faith is developed through prayer and scripture study. God communicates with us through his Holy Spirit. Through the Holy Spirit you can know the truth of all things if you search after it diligently. Through the Holy Spirit you can know if there is going to be a Second Coming. I know he's going to come back because I studied it and prayed about it. But this time he's gonna come in Power and great Glory and to deny him when he comes would cause you to be cast off to the left side.
dilfreak
(reply to Enigma) posted 22-Sep-2005 11:21am  
> How wonderfully self centred to think there will be time to "evaluate"
> whether you are "convinced" it is the second coming. When Jesus comes
> back there won't be anyone questioning it after all it will be judgement
> day. There will be a lot of far too late ass kissing going on and
> a lot kissing their ass goodbye. At least this is what I've heard
>  * wink *
> BTW my opinion wasn't on your list so this is my unchecked answer.


That's a freakin awesome reply, i love it. So many people will be shizing their pants wishing they wouldn't have been so stupid.
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Sep-2005 2:51pm  
Judging by this survey so far, as I expected, if Jesus came back the way he did the first time, he'd be lucky to get a newspaper article.

It appears he'd have to arrive with some sort of armageddon or other global miracle not explainable by physics, personally witnessed by all who would be convinced.

Had this been how people felt around the time the bible was written, there would be no popularly familiar bible nor notion of any second coming today.

By the standards people hold today, there could have been 10,000 other prophets in the last two millenium living a life as Jesus did, and few would know or care.

Like the muslims in the desert, or the mormons on the new frontier, I venture to say that once a culture has 'their guy' they stick with him, and that any new widely recognized prophet would have to start out on a space colony or something.

Although i do believe fairly literally in the life of Christ, I find it unfortunate that most believers have found their way there by what amounts to a phenomenally successful marketing campaign, and would miss an actual person like Jesus if he arrived today as he did 2000 years ago.
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 22-Sep-2005 3:01pm  
I can't use the limited sample of this survey as any real indication, but if believing in Christ has become synonymous with believing in a literal aramgeddon, it's no wonder so many are aghast with religion.

If you really find Christ, your world will entirely fall apart like a hologram and be replaced by a spiritual one, BUT, the same old world will still be there for those who have yet to find out what God is. Those who make the transition will find that they are responsible for spreading love and wisdom through both worlds, and that does not include any literal armageddon.
clovis20
posted 23-Sep-2005 12:16pm  
I don't mean to sound sacreligious in my vote, which was that nothing could convince me of christ's second coming, but in today's world, it would just be too difficult to decipher. With all of the televangelism and psychotics out there now, a second coming of christ, if it returned in normal form, would probably be checked into a mental institution what with all of the psychological gurus calling it, "false aspirations to the divine." As much as I would LOVE a second coming to happen, I don't think it will in our world's current situation.
JessicaWoman99
posted 25-Sep-2005 2:30pm  
Yes I do believe in my heart the second coming of Jesus Christ to end it all here on earth and take us home to Heaven, Heaven will be our eternal home whether or not" some of us believe this or not? It does not matter to Jesus what some believe in , for it is our life choice that we all have to choose, choose what you believe in? And not what", somebody want's you to believe. All these events going on around the world like the back to back hurricanes that hit New Orleans , Mississipi and Texas could be a sign of the end of this age and his coming back to claim us those of us who are believers in Jesus. And we can clearly see what is happening in the Middle East and Jerusalem all the bloodshed and the wars going on. It will not be much longer until the return of Jesus believe what you want I do not care and yes I really care about others going to hell?
JessicaWoman99
(reply to Jody) posted 25-Sep-2005 2:34pm  
> The implication in the Bible is that when Jesus returns, nobody will
> doubt it is Him.

Jesus says you know it is me when I return, and we will know it is Jesus and we can see where he was peirced in the side, and we all know right from wrong good and evil.
JessicaWoman99
(reply to dilfreak) posted 25-Sep-2005 2:40pm  
> |> How wonderfully self centred to think there will be time to
> "evaluate"
> |> whether you are "convinced" it is the second coming. When Jesus
> comes
> |> back there won't be anyone questioning it after all it will
> be judgement
> |> day. There will be a lot of far too late ass kissing going
> on and
> |> a lot kissing their ass goodbye. At least this is what I've
> heard
> |>  * wink *
> |> BTW my opinion wasn't on your list so this is my unchecked answer.
>
>
> That's a freakin awesome reply, i love it. So many people will be
> shizing their pants wishing they wouldn't have been so stupid.

And yes they will be peeing their pants as well when they see the real Jesus appear in front of them , and it will not be in human form but in the Holy Spirit he returns to claim this world of ours.
dutchessny
posted 26-Sep-2005 1:11pm  
the return would have to be in the context fortold in the scriptures. miracles can deceive, the false christ will be able to perform miracles.
libbirose
posted 12-Dec-2005 9:58pm  
I don't need convincing. I know there will be a second coming.  * ! *
libbirose
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 12-Dec-2005 10:05pm  
> Judging by this survey so far, as I expected, if Jesus came back the
> way he did the first time, he'd be lucky to get a newspaper article.
>
> It appears he'd have to arrive with some sort of armageddon or other
> global miracle not explainable by physics, personally witnessed by
> all who would be convinced.
>
> Had this been how people felt around the time the bible was written,
> there would be no popularly familiar bible nor notion of any second
> coming today.
>
> By the standards people hold today, there could have been 10,000 other
> prophets in the last two millenium living a life as Jesus did, and
> few would know or care.
>
> Like the muslims in the desert, or the mormons on the new frontier,
> I venture to say that once a culture has 'their guy' they stick with
> him, and that any new widely recognized prophet would have to start
> out on a space colony or something.
>
> Although i do believe fairly literally in the life of Christ, I find
> it unfortunate that most believers have found their way there by what
> amounts to a phenomenally successful marketing campaign, and would
> miss an actual person like Jesus if he arrived today as he did 2000
> years ago.

I think that if Jesus did come back now as he arrived 2000years ago, it would be pretty incredible because he was born of a virgin. If a virgin got pregnant now, the world would know because they would be able to scientifically determine if she were a virgin. That would get news attention.
libbirose
(reply to Kristal_Rose) posted 12-Dec-2005 10:06pm  
not that he will be born of a virgin. in the bible it states that he would come from the heavens.
Kristal_Rose Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to libbirose) posted 13-Dec-2005 4:09pm  
I don't see much importance in that. Healing is more significant. Being able to reform millions of people is significant, but any good media celebrity could do that. The ressurection was quite a miracle relative to our mortal lives, but that in itself isn't really all that important either. It's the implications of what could be possible for all of us that is important. Jesus was only a messenger in that respect.

So what do you believe the second coming will be like?
hannie
posted 17-Dec-2005 2:58pm  
I already fully believe there will be a second coming and try to base everything I do around the fact that Christ I returning to take me to be with him some day!
hannie
(reply to dilfreak) posted 17-Dec-2005 3:01pm  
I have to say your answer is awesome! Very well said!
dilfreak
(reply to hannie) posted 17-Dec-2005 5:17pm  
Thank you, i appreciate that. I love talking about Jesus Christ and his second coming.

So how did you come to believe in Christ? Raised that way or did something happen in your life that help you develop the faith? Lemme know.
hannie
(reply to dilfreak) posted 18-Dec-2005 1:08pm  
I have been raised in the church, although it took me some time to decide I wanted Christ as my God for myself. I strayed from God when I started college and then my junior year I decided I was not living the life God wanted me to and turned around. Now I am trying my best to serve God in every way I can! What about you?
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