I am the timekeeper-- What should I do?

You should be able to trust your supervisor, shouldn't you? No employee should be in a position such as yours with no where to turn. And this woman shouldn't be allowed to rip off the state. If you can't go to your own supervisor then there is a bigger problem here and you then have to decide whether to take it further or in another direction.
Good luck. Glad I'm not in your shoes.

First I'd confront her and tell her to conform as the others do, but if that doesn't work, I'd follow the chain of command. I wouldn't, under any circumstances, report this to her supervisor considering that she has an "interesting" relationship as this would probably backfire on you.

Do what you're paid to do. If it is your job to report her, do it. If not, don't.

You should weigh what is more important: fair and even pay and time off for everyone or 2) keeping harmony at your job and not being a wave maker. Whichever one is more important to you should be what influences your decision.

I guess I'd talk to her supervisor, or ask your supervisor for advice.

I'd talk to my supervisor about it and see what he/she had to say.

Isn't there a rulebook somewhere that you follow that tells you what to do in this case?

I'd talk to my own supervisor if I couldn't figure out what to do on my own.

I'd give her a heads up, and if the behavior continues head up the chain of command. By the sounds of it, her superior isn't yours, thus your job should not be affected. Secondly, isn't it your job to scrutinize the timecards?

supervisor ... but, if it ends up being political, just live with it. Don't make it a crusade.

If you think it will do any good then confront her. If that doesn't do any good, report her. Use your own discretion as to whether you want to talk to her supervisor. You said their relationship was 'interesting'. Are we to assume that it's gone beyond a typical employer/employee relationship or am I reading too much into this?

Report it to your supervisor.

I would just confront her and tell her to cut out the crap.

I think if everyone else applies to what theyre supposed to do, she should too!

I am glad everyone has basically said that I need to follow my conscience. I have been second guessing everything since it became obvious what she was doing. It literally had me sick and I even threw up a few times. I am so at odd because of the working relationships in this office. That is something that is hard to find. The fact that I am the only one with access means I am the only one who could even know what is on the timesheets.

I kind of did confront her. I gave her a chance on Thursday when our time had final adjustments due. I took her the time sheet and asked her "are you sure you don't need to fix this?" Her supervisor was there and I don't know if she told him or not, I suspect she told him it was just a few hours and that was it. (I knew of 12 hours this last pay period.) She brought me back the same timesheet and said "He said I could adjust and he'd get the time from me" I don't know how you can adjust 12 hours in the manner that is prescribed by state personnel. It made me sick. I can't enjoy this holiday weekend, because I know what I have to do.

You are correct in assuming that the relationship may be different than the normal supervisor/employee relationship. However that is not confirmed. Yet I wasn't born yesterday. Others in our office are as suspicious as well.

I don't know how this will play out, but I guess I have to do what also covers my ass, because I have seen this for a while. I am scared that is for sure, that is why there is hesitation on my part.

It should not matter to you and keep your nose where it belongs? You might just end up losing your job if you worry about other people.

okay miss sweetly this does matter to me. I have to adjust my time when I am out. So does everyone else. I have to cover and translate for her when she is out. Others have to cover for her while she is out. This isn't fair to the other women in this office who account for their time accordingly. PTO is a perk and we shouldn't abuse it. Why would you tell me to keep my nose out of this? I submit the timesheets, I know they are falsified. See why I made the survey now???? We are talking embezzlement and as a tax payer I also get pissed about money on someone's paycheck that has not been earned. If this were your state, would it make a difference? I wrote the survey to get your opinion but I guess the attack on MY character kind of is the reason no one reports things like this in the first place.

follow the chain of command and report to your supervisor, it is your job after all

Timekeeper you are Fired" leave right now?

I mean if I worry about another employee and I report her to my boss, she is then pissed off and mad at me" and she seeks revenge on me and attacks me, I have lost some friends and they are very bitter and angry with me we have our choice to report her, or not to and keep quiet.

You would probably walk out to your car and all the tires are flattened or something and then it would make you think twice the next time sounds frightening? But very true with some people

And I do not like to be in the middle of something serious like this

And just maybe reporting her in silent and a secret place?

I am not sure what you think I should do, sweetly.

I would ask to meet with my supervisor in her office or a very private place and keep it between us if I reported her, so I would not become a target of hatred and revenge and we do live in a very sick and disgusting world and some people will get back at us.

I have had many run ins with religious people like the Baptist and Pentecostals and they scare the hell out of me.

Where do you go to church now?

I have been going to Trinity Episcopal Church where all are Welcomed and come as you are, you can be gay , lesbian or transgendered and the Church accepts people as they are, you are not judged or condemned for being who you are and we love everybody who comes thru the front doors, and Church every Sunday should be this way for every human being? We all bleed the same blood and we all have a spirit and a soul and a heart in our chest, we are human beings and not human waste according to the Baptist and Pentecostals

Yep the Baptist , Pentecostals Charismatics and Evangelicals have a huge problem with people being who they are? And they have this bug stuck up their butts and they want to beat you up with their bible and kill you and stone you, they are nasty like snakes hiss

That is what I would like to happen. I want to tell this chick to cut the crap like ROCKMAN suggested and hopefully she would comply. I just don't know.

I am Catholic who is very non-traditional. I had heard that Episcopalian's are like Catholics. I would love to receive communion again. I can't because me and my husband were married only by a judge, not the priest at the altar.

They will never ever give up until we are dead or file a lawsuit against their butts? I would love to sue a Church and take their ass to Court they deserve it because they never know when to back down and leave that person alone?

And some of these religious stone heads act like they own the earth and everybody on the earth they want to rule and reign and kiss our butts

And Freebird you could always knock that chick senseless and knock her out for good, I wanted so bad to kick that bastard right in his balls and make him cry, and that would have been right at that outdoor church service can you imagine that!? It would have been so funny and you would die laughing Freebird

The Episcopal Church looks very much like a Catholic Church and is set up the same way

I just love Communion every sunday and yes being married by a Judge you cannot have Communion

I'd report it....because in the long run, when it is found out....it will turn into a snowball, and when it hits you, they'll say, that you knew what was going on, and you should have reported it...so therefore you could get in trouble for not DOING YOUR JOB CORRECTLY.

First, I would talk with her and if that didn't work then I would follow the chain of command.

How could that be possible? They have their tenets and we are supposed to follow them. We are supposed to know them. Marriage is a sacrament. The only reason I could not marry my husband in church was that I had been married before and did not get an annulment. Just divorced, but I married him by the Justice of the Peace too. Can't figure it out.

Me neither I do not understand it?

I guess it is because of all these rules we have to follow

that's is why they have many running from the church in droves. They need to understand the world through the eyes of all their members not just male ones.

And I have been sounding off with it being the 4th of July we have no Freedoms at all and whatsoever? Nobody has the right to be who they are you will be condemned and judged for this, we have to be like everybody else and be like the religious mental cases, they get so nasty towards us and very ugly because of who we are, and the hatred and bigotry goes on> all thru the year

And this is another reason that people do not attend Church on sunday because of hypocrites and church members getting in your face you are an abomination and they get very religious with people and you want to hurt them so bad

I have a feeling, Jessica, that soon the religious right will come to a halt with their own dirty laundry. It's about time now and if they keep up their assaults on our system of government and the poor and disenfranchised, it will come to pass sooner than later. I can't wait.

And most people will never go back to Church ever again

It will come to a halt after this planet blows up in their face or a meteorite comes down from space and kills all the religious right wing fanatics and takes them out for good

I get so sick and tired of being assaulted day after day by these religious stone heads who have nothing better to do in their life, then to police every American and tell us that we are living in sin and we are an abomination and get right with God? I know where my heart is at and it is running the race for my Lord Jesus and they do not know this?

Life does not seem fair at all these days and it gets worse before it gets better

I just cannot wait either until it is all over one of these days, and the religious right wing take a long hike

Jessica: they think they are going up--you know the RAPTURE. Hehehehe

Yes I do know the Rapture and to those christians who have abused other Christians and mistreated them? They will have their day right before the Throne Room of Almighty God and Our Lord will not forget what they have done to me and you?

It's like sticks and stones will break my bones , but names will never hurt me and it does cause me a lot of grief and dispair and name calling does destroy a person to destruction

Report it to your supervisor. That's what supervisors are for. They like to be kept "in the loop".

Well I would report her up the chain...but from experience I would say her attitude is pretty much standard for Government Employees (Local, State, Federal). I have never seen a lazier bunch of slackers in my life.

mind your own business

Let's duke it out chicky

You should never trust anyone above you. If crap comes down in any situation you will take the fall before your management will. I've seen it and been through it my whole career. As long as everything is cool your supervisor appears to be trustworthy but when trouble brews you're radioactive.
I've tried to be the 'good guy' in similar situations as freebird presents here. I don't anymore because it generally backfires and you become the target. No one like a 'rat' and I'm surprised I'm the only one who checked off that answer.

i don't really know sorry!!!!

Change the rules. In an honor system, others should care about if someone is taking advantage of the program because they are ultimately screwing them, and not just the boss. Change the rules so their misconduct will become apparent to everyone else.

It's not being "a rat" to do the job. You'll likely lose yours if you do nothing

quit

tell me you really believe me, this will make me feel better..

I really hate to use Fruedian psycology, but you're really seem hell bent on proving to everyone just how much you are not Richard. I am not saying anything, just saying.

*backs off with his hands facing outwards*

I told you, and I meant it. What is really wrong?

you caught this too? I am beginning to wonder. I don't think it's Richard--it's someone whose messing with all of our minds. That is what I am thinking. This is a wild goose chase.

Very likely its either Richard or someone who wants us to think its Richard, possibly one of this friends. Who knows. Theres a good chance that there is more than just one Richard, that its a team of trolls.

Yeah, it IS a wild goose chase. Its really just a game. As far as the trolls are concerned, this is just a game to them and a lot of it is all about their ego. The more we talk about them (which I am doing right now come to think of it ) the more we inflate their ego. We should just try to ignore them.

I think we are about due for some doilies

lol

agreed!!

Because, freebird, all the users will believe what Maarten is saying, don't understand why he's doing this to me??? I didn't hurt him to do so, he has no right to say his bullcrap till Bill say that I am not Marwan, and Bill willl not say this cause I am marwan!!

you are worrying way too much. I don't think you are richard, and that is because I know Richard and the writing style is different and so I think I would know when Richard is on site. Although I had no idea that Richard47 and Whizkid were the same. But then again, I did not look at the clues that were there. I believe you and I know wolf359 does too. Maarten apologized for thinking you are richard47.

Yeah I read it, thank you freebird, and thank you all!!!

No problem. I have enjoyed having you on this site. I love learning about other cultures and Irene is a friend of mine too and I see that you and her converse in French a lot. that is so neat. I would love to learn another language other than just English and Spanish. I am of Mexican-American descent, from the American southwest.

I know that you are from Lebanon, tell me, where you already born in about 1983? The reason i ask is because that is the year I graduated from high school and I wanted to go into the Peace Corps and probably would have been sent to Beirut? Is that where you are at now? How is the country? I remember the fighting we saw on TV and that is one reason I didn't go into the Peace Corps. I am a chicken about violence. I don't like it or war of any kind.

> No problem. I have enjoyed having you on this site. I love learning
> about other cultures and Irene is a friend of mine too and I see that
> you and her converse in French a lot. that is so neat. I would love
> to learn another language other than just English and Spanish. I am
> of Mexican-American descent, from the American southwest.
>
> I know that you are from Lebanon, tell me, where you already born
> in about 1983? The reason i ask is because that is the year I graduated
> from high school and I wanted to go into the Peace Corps and probably
> would have been sent to Beirut? Is that where you are at now? How
> is the country? I remember the fighting we saw on TV and that is one
> reason I didn't go into the Peace Corps. I am a chicken about violence.
> I don't like it or war of any kind.

Hi freebird, first I was born in 1985. Second, there is no fights now in Lebanon, what happened during the last days wasn't' a fight, it was the reactions of some parts, so don't care about it, we are not afraid of it because no one is died because of it, it happens in places where no one is living, it's just a normal reaction. So we have no war in Lebanon now, and we hadn't war since 1990 (15y). Third I am very glad to knoe that you have decided to go to the "Peace Corps" especially if you would be sent to Beirut, it's a wonderful place to live and to have trip. So if you still thinking about it, do it and I will be waiting for you, BTW i am living in Beirut, I was born in Beirut too. (Again, there is no WAR).
I am glad to have you and Irene friends of me too, and if you know spanish, it would not be a big deal to know French because as you had read, there are a lot of the "same-words and common-words" between the 2languages, whereas as I know there is nothing common between spanish and English!!! BTW I know some words in Japanese too..

No verouge in 1983 I wanted to go into the peace corps but alas I got married instead. My oldest living child, my son, was also born in 1985, February to be exact. I would love to visit there, though. I was so saddened when in the early 80's I saw the fighting and destruction in Beirut. It was alll so sad. I am way to old for the peace corps now. I am turning 40 in a few months. But if I ever do go to Beirut Lebanon I will look you up. I know my son wants to go over there to visit, he loves all things foreign and would love to visit out of the country.

Hi freebird, I am glad to hear this, we in Lebanon don't look a lot at our "bad-past", because we like to live, and who want to live has to forget!! so yeah, there was a war during the 80's but it ends nearly the 90's, and till now there is no WAR as you think the war is, I can't deny that there was some small "bombs" during the last period but as I said, it's a normal reaction, thx God now there is nothing and we are all fine. I am glad too to know your son was born in 1985, Feb, I was born in 1985, June, he's older than me but we will communicate I think because I like also the "foreign" things.. whenever he takes his vacation or you do, you are welcome, BTW what is he studying now???

Turn her in. It's not fair that she's getting away with this when everyone else has to follow the rules. It's unfortunate, but there seem to be those in almost any line of work who feel they are above the rules. I would refrain from reporting this to her supervisor if they are having a relationship of any kind.

I would go straight to the source. Call her into your office telling her you have questions about her timesheet. Have your facts ready and confront her with it.

Make sure your attorney has a copy of said documents first.