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What do you think about a documentary showing an abortion?

The film, "My Foetus" was made by Julia Black, daughter of the founder of the Marie Stopes clinic, and will feature commentary from both pro-life and pro-choice activists.

The documentary has appeared on free-to-air channel 4 (UK) and will soon be broadcast on the ABC (Australia).

The documentary shows an abortion taking place, as well as images of 10, 11 and 21-week-old aborted foetuses.

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA4CD...



VotesAnswer
8This should be seen by everyone of child-bearing age or older.
7This should be seen by pro-choice people to help them make that choice.
6This should be seen by pro-life people to help them understand why abortions happen and how.
3Showing this is an attack on freedom of reproductive choice.
6Showing this is morbid.
8Showing this is essential for the public to understand the issue.
14Showing this is educational.
1Showing this supports the pro-choice argument.
5Showing this supports the pro-life argument.
7I am pro-choice and I would watch this.
3I am pro-life and I would watch this.
7This simply shows a medical procedure.
3This simply shows the murder of a child.
4I don't care.
3I have no opinion.
12Other.

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pandora
posted 10-Jul-2004 4:42pm  
Those who want to watch it, should be able to. Those who don't want to watch it should have no obligation to. I don't see it as pro or anti-choice.
Dino
posted 10-Jul-2004 4:51pm  
Gosh, doors of arguement are always open when stuff like this is raised.

I knew it was on but I didn't make the effort to watch it.

I am Pro-Choice.
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 10-Jul-2004 5:24pm  
Nothing wrong with it - it should be seen by anyone who chooses to watch it and isn't going to be overly distressed by what they see. It could be educational, it could be voyeuristic. I didn't see it.
heyzeus1
posted 10-Jul-2004 6:24pm  
it should be shown in school. well, i take that back after reading the explanation further. i don't think it's neccesary to expose kids to the political battle of pro/anti choice by offering arguments from both sides. however, i think a lot of teens dont have any idea what a traumatic and painful thing an abortion can be, not to mention any moral points associated with it. they think like, 'its ok, if i get pregnant i can just get an abortion'. if they saw film of it, maybe they would use a condom in the first place.
uible
posted 10-Jul-2004 7:23pm  
Long ago I needed a pregnancy test (before the drugstore kit tests) and for various reasons I didn't go to an MD. I went to a pro-life clinic, saw the film (it was required) while I waited on the results. It was gory but interesting. At the time I wasn't sure what I was going to do. I was unmarried and the father would have possibly asked me to marry him although I think he would have regretted it bitterly from the very beginning. My life at the time was not kid-friendly for a lot of reasons. I was trying to decide if I could carry the child to term and then give it up for adoption otherwise, I figured an abortion would be best.
The film didn't particularly affect me either way, I still saw basically two options.
It turns out I wasn't pregnant.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 10-Jul-2004 8:37pm  
I don't think something like this could be consider anything but a pro-life propaganda movie.
Pandora could probably find us a anti-circumcision movie showing that procedure.
Surgical procedures are pretty gross. Yes, abortions are very gross and clearly there's a little human in there that dies. It still should be legal.
LuridHope
posted 10-Jul-2004 8:56pm  
I have always believed the denial of abortion being murder to be a lie. If woman want to murder their own children, then should should rally behind that truth instead of lying about it to somehow justify this behavior. This is a good, thought provoking survey.
juliw
posted 10-Jul-2004 9:54pm  
Gross and in very poor taste. I am personally against abortion, but pro-choice. I just don't think something needs to be seen.
BerrieGrrl
posted 11-Jul-2004 1:19am  
i think this would be educational, but i don't think it should be used as propaganda. it would probably be the best way to get teenagers to use birth control instead of watching the lame sex-ed videos.
justjulie
posted 11-Jul-2004 6:59am  
i think it should be shown to ladies who are in line to have an abortion, or to be shown at planned parenthood or something along that nature.
i believe that it is educational and explains the medical procedure involved.
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 11-Jul-2004 8:19am  
There was an amazing documentary about female circumcision shown in the UK about a year ago. It showed two cicumcisions on little girls - about 7 and 9 years old, one after the other, with the littler girl watching the older girl have it done before being told to lie down and open her legs herself. The whole thing was shown from behind the girls, so the actual details of the procedure couldn't be seen. But hearing their screams...that was awful  * frown * My dad and brother had to leave the room.
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 11-Jul-2004 8:39am  
This should be seen... by anyone who feels like seeing it.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to Biggles) posted 11-Jul-2004 11:44am  
Gosh, that's swell.
Glassa
posted 11-Jul-2004 11:50am  
It should be seen by everyone.
If someone is pro-choice/abortion, and doesn't want to see it, I take that as not wanting to face the truth of what they're supporting.
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to bill) posted 11-Jul-2004 12:14pm  
Well no...but interesting.
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Glassa) posted 11-Jul-2004 12:15pm  
Would you expect anyone who agrees for a loved ones' organs to be taken after their death to be willing to watch the organs ripped out of them? You can support something without needing to see the gory details.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 11-Jul-2004 1:01pm  
I have no problem with someone making it or with people seeing it, but I would not want to see the graphic parts myself. I might watch the rest of it and just skip those parts.
dora
posted 11-Jul-2004 1:24pm  
21 weeks old aborted fetus???

excuse me????

 * surprise *

4 weeks is about a month, they "abort" "fetui" that are basically babies.


*vomits*

so if they show an abortion up to 12 weeks (maybe slightly less) that's a medical procedure (and kind of disgusting, since medical procedure are a bit disgusting), but after than that's called...killing babies.
I'm pro-abortion, of course, (I hate pro-life and pro-choice, they sound so amero-centric) but not pro-baby killing.

*vomits again*



dora
(reply to Glassa) posted 11-Jul-2004 1:27pm  
Those who want to have the right to abort don't think that abortion is a funny and lovely thing. They think it's an extreme measure they have to adopt. I don't know who could think that abortion is a "pretty" thing or isn't aware of the fact that it isn't.
Maybe those who "abort" after 12 weeks.
 * wry smile *

Zang
posted 11-Jul-2004 3:19pm  
Without having seen it, I couldn't really comment in so far as the suggested parameters of the options go. From the description, I'd say that it sounds like a reasonably even-handed approach, but who knows?
Zang
(reply to Biggles) posted 11-Jul-2004 3:23pm  
I do!  * grin *
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to Zang) posted 11-Jul-2004 3:31pm  
You would!
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator This user is on the site NOW (8 minutes ago)
(reply to bill) posted 11-Jul-2004 3:39pm  
Your last sentence is astounding! Sounds like something another bunch of people might have said to make their decisions feel OK to them.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
(reply to kaleb777) posted 11-Jul-2004 3:53pm  
huh?
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator This user is on the site NOW (8 minutes ago)
posted 11-Jul-2004 4:01pm  
Last two sentences then. "Yes, abortions are very gross and clearly there's a little human in there that dies. It still should be legal."

Have you read that again? Do you know how bad that sounds? To me it's like someone justifying the genocide of one group of people for the benefit of the rest. You don't think it's up to those who make the baby under whatever circumstances, even rape (and obviously not with the father making any further input in the situation), to protect that human being who had absolutely no choice in how they were conceived and no say in whether they live a life or are cut to pieces? I think abortion is one of the most unjustifiable practices humanity can perform. "I'm going to kill you because your life will adversely affect mine" is no justification whatsoever.
Zang
(reply to Biggles) posted 11-Jul-2004 4:30pm  
 * raspberry *
caviartaste
posted 12-Jul-2004 3:24pm  
I've had an abortion and the thought of seeing this really makes me want to throw up. I am not pro-anything. Because everybody's right. It's clinical, it's reproductive choice, and it's deciding whether or not to bring a child into this world.
I was hurt. It hurt me to do what I did. I would not take it back. I do not regret what I did. I do not know what made me choose what I did. I only know that if I had chosen a different path, it very well could have cost me my life, as I found out two weeks later that I had a deadly condition made worse by pregnancy. I recovered completely, and have not looked back. It was the right thing for me at that time. I will never have children now because of other issues in my life - not the abortion, but that is ok with me. I don't feel like I am missing out on being a parent. Some people are not meant to be parents.
But whichever way you choose - other people shouldn't get on their soapbox and SHOVE THEIR ideas down your throat and they certainly shouldn't put them up on a big screen for the whole world to see. It is a painstakingly personal decision. And a hard one to make. And NO ONE else can understand what you are going through or judge you for it unless they have walked a mile or two in your shoes!!!!!
Glassa
(reply to Biggles) posted 14-Jul-2004 2:49pm  
There's a difference. Those organs are going to save someone's life. The abortion is going to kill someone.

I wouldn't mind watching that though. I love those ER type shows. It's so fascinating. It's why I wanted to do something in the medical field. The human body is so cool!
anonymous
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 15-Jul-2004 12:56am  
You are out of your fudging mind. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound when you double talk and contradict yourself. You have no truth in you and you believe your own lies.
anonymous
(reply to dora) posted 15-Jul-2004 12:58am  
You are out of your fudging mind. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound when you double talk and contradict yourself. You have no truth in you and you believe your own lies.
anonymous
(reply to Enheduanna) posted 15-Jul-2004 12:59am  
NOT INTENDED FOR YOU!!!!! MISTAKE!
iamdonte
posted 15-Jul-2004 7:49am  
For me, I think that this is another scare tactic for those that are pro-choice.
dora
(reply to anonymous) posted 15-Jul-2004 2:33pm  
i think you're talking to someone else, but you barely are aware of your own name so...
anonymous
posted 27-Jul-2004 5:19pm  
the decision of whether or not to have a child is a personal one and it is disgusting to try and intimidate women into not having an abortion.......it is very clear that that is the purpose.....
anonymous
posted 28-Jul-2004 6:12pm  
I'm ashamed to say it, but I agree with everyone.
Khamara
posted 5-Aug-2004 1:52pm  
I believe that often people judge without knowing all of the facts. Most Americans have not seen an abortion. And whether abortion is right or wrong,medically, it is a disgusting procedure. Many people would be shocked at what occurs to an infant, eve if they only think of it as a fetus. This film should be showed to every American. Finally people would understand what they are fighting over.
LJD
posted 11-Aug-2004 8:59am  
, I say yes show an actual abortion. Perhaps it will be a deterent. Abortion leaves a horrible emotional scar on a girl. I feel abstinence should be taught. Unfortunately many women use abortion for birth control, this is horrible. With so much birth control today, there is no excuse for this to happen, it's pure laziness. . I do however believe in abortion in the first trimester when rape or incest is involved.
moviesnob
posted 17-Aug-2004 1:16pm  
I am pro-choice, and would watch this to see what the argument was.
gord
posted 17-Aug-2004 7:53pm  
I question the source. A clinic? Is it a abortion clinic that gets money by doing abortions? If so it would be in their interest to make it pro choice.
In general I think that showing an abortion for what it is is essential for the public to understand the issue.
RGirl
posted 8-Feb-2006 3:59am  
Pro Choice is not Anti Life.
GLITTERBUG
posted 26-Mar-2006 7:30am  
It should be a womans choice to watch the video, just as it should be a womans choice to have an abortion.
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