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"God created evolution" -- What do you think of this statement?




 

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ASB Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Jun-2004 10:38am  
its an oxymoron
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 18-Jun-2004 11:05am  
I don't believe in God, so I think it's meaningless. I also don't believe in the biblical account of creation, so I don't need to reconcile it with science, which is what statements of this sort try to do. If people want to believe this, it's fine with me. I see no reason why a hypothetical God couldn't arrange for evolution to happen. Although it seems more likely that God-the-Hypothetical would just set things in motion and let evolution take its course, that being the whole point of evolution, after all.
dora
posted 18-Jun-2004 11:42am  
Hmm.
It makes more sense than "God did all and no evolution took place at all!", it's not what I believe in, but I can get along with those who have such opinion more than with creationists.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator
posted 18-Jun-2004 11:59am  
This implies a compromise position some people take (including many scientists, I think). I think it also implies that God is the creator, but not really an entity who screws around with creation on a daily basis. Perhaps, he created and wound up the clock, now he just sits back to watch it go.

My response to this statement would be something like "Who created God?"
...to which, most will say "God always existed.", to which I reply "Then evolution always existed, and God isn't needed."
Jody
posted 18-Jun-2004 1:19pm  
I think it's possible. I'm really not sure whether God created the world and set it in motion (absentee landlord theory) or whether He continues to have a hand at all times now in what happens on a cellular level in His many species. Given that He is omniscient and omnipotent, He could just as easily have done either and known it would work out exactly the way He intended.
Dino
posted 18-Jun-2004 2:41pm  
It would make sense if there was a God.

Its the most sensible solution.

But I don't acknowledge the existence of God so this question is mute.
cerealkiller Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 18-Jun-2004 2:53pm  
Evolved persons created God.

judgescratch
posted 18-Jun-2004 2:58pm  
Dunno.
Hans
posted 18-Jun-2004 3:36pm  
Rubbish. God created the world. "Evolution" is a human theory. Does anybody believe that God created Newton's laws in mechanics??
heyzeus1
posted 18-Jun-2004 5:36pm  
heh!
I havent heard that one.
at any rate, i dont think anything of the statement on way or the other.
heyzeus1
(reply to Hans) posted 18-Jun-2004 5:37pm  
if there is a god, then why wouldnt he be responsible for newton's revelations?
pandora
posted 18-Jun-2004 6:45pm  
It makes me giggle.

I did see a bumpersticker today that made me guffaw: Jesus is my best friend.

Sure, fine sentiment and all, if that's your thing, but to see it plastered on a big old SUV just sent me over the edge.
darkshadowsseeker
posted 18-Jun-2004 6:48pm  
Well God created all life on Earth and much of this life has evolved, at least to a certain extent, so while I can't say for certain that God created evolution, it appears that it was built into at least some living beings bodies.
justjulie
posted 19-Jun-2004 7:23am  
if i can ever get past the name 'god', then it would make 'perfect' sense
Iseult Survey Central Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
(reply to ASB) posted 19-Jun-2004 8:38am  
I don't really see it an an oxymoron. I see it as a way to incorporate science discoveries into religion.
ASB Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Iseult) posted 19-Jun-2004 11:43am  
Well, might as well add to the fairytale since thats what I see religion as anyway  * wry smile *
romkey Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 19-Jun-2004 12:45pm  
If you believe in God and you believe in evolution then I don't have any problem with you believing this.
Hans
(reply to heyzeus1) posted 19-Jun-2004 4:38pm  
Sciences develop systems of explanations of the phenomena in this world. This is fascinating, useful, admirable. But it must not be confused with revelations of eternal truths. God gave us the mental power to develop scientific theories which serve as most subtle forms of orientation in our world. Instead of being grateful for this gift, people prefer to question God's existence as a consequence. A close study of the history of science would help to correct this sad error, and so would a careful reading of the philosophical views of some of the scientific giants (Bohr, Einstein, e.g.).
heyzeus1
(reply to Hans) posted 20-Jun-2004 1:07am  
there are ideas held by some, that all ideas and creations float in the ether waiting to be plucked by an individual. by that idea, the individual did not really think of the idea, but found it. not saying that i think that, who knows what's true? not you or i.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 20-Jun-2004 7:07am  
I think it's more likely than either the belief in creation coming up with the final design of all animals or the hypothesis that life just popped into existence.

An omnipotent God would have forseen the need to have his creations adaptable.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 7:09am  
Why?
dab Survey Central Subscriber Gold Qualifier
posted 20-Jun-2004 8:41am  
I've never seen any contradiction between evolution and a belief in god. So for people who believe in god, of course he created evolution. I also think that a God that would create such an amazingly elegant mechanism as evolution is far more awesome than one who'd just create everything in place as we see it today.
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 11:05am  
Why what?
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 11:11am  
Why do you think the phrase "Jesus is my best friend" is so hilarious?
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 11:50am  
I haven't really sat down to analyze it, since I don't usually break down why I think certain things are funny. To me, it just is. Aside from the humor I find in it, I also think it's ridiculous, but that's just personal philosophy.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 12:10pm  
Do you find bumperstickers that say "Guns don't kill people - abortion clinics do" funny?
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 12:36pm  
Most likely not. Why?
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 12:45pm  
I do.
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 1:04pm  
Alright. I don't know if I've ever actually seen that one. Is it popular in your area?
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 1:26pm  
Very
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 1:51pm  
I got the impression that you were surrounded by those of the liberal persuasion.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to pandora) posted 20-Jun-2004 1:58pm  
I generally avoid them. They seem mentally ill to me.
pandora
(reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Jun-2004 2:06pm  
Probably good that you limit your interactions then.
bombill
posted 20-Jun-2004 7:55pm  
I don't have a problem with it, though I imagine there are many who would say that such a statement tries to marry two opposing sides but doesn't succeed. Non-believers would remain equally skeptical, while believers might actually be offended by it. A lot of people need to believe that God works miracles, and spontaneous creation is as miraculous as it gets. I do think a few of those who are struggling with their faith in regards to science might be comforted by the idea, that religion and science are not in opposition and therefore not a threat to each other (which I would agree with).
I'm content to understand evolution as a natural sequence of adaptations. "God created evolution" implies a master plan, which is not essential to my understanding of the process. If anything, I see it more as "let's wind this thing up and see where it goes."
bombill
(reply to dab) posted 20-Jun-2004 8:03pm  
I agree that evolution is a more impressive feat than the Genesis story, which is why I think some believers are coming around to the idea. For most, I think the traditional view is so ingrained that they are very conflicted with scientific views.
caviartaste
posted 21-Jun-2004 2:49pm  
It's not true.
mimind
posted 21-Jun-2004 6:10pm  
way to broad a comment to start this debate
mimind
posted 21-Jun-2004 6:14pm  
besides who fudgein cares who made us ....weve got enough to worry about just being able to make it through one day without treating each other like crap...my point is, worry about how to get "living life" right instead of how what where when and why
iamdonte
posted 21-Jun-2004 11:56pm  
Well, one would have believe in God, right? And/Or evolution? Or both? I think that this statement for me leads into arguments of religion and religious beliefs and I don't care to go there.
iamdonte
(reply to heyzeus1) posted 21-Jun-2004 11:58pm  
Now, who said God was a "he"?  * laughing out loud *
heyzeus1
(reply to iamdonte) posted 22-Jun-2004 1:11am  
did i say that?
iamdonte
(reply to heyzeus1) posted 22-Jun-2004 10:44am  
 * winking raspberry *
Zang
posted 22-Jun-2004 3:51pm  
Whatever works for ya...
thevelvetcure
posted 23-Jun-2004 5:54am  
"This is evolution, the monkey, the man, then the gun"
...think about it
moonstone
posted 23-Jun-2004 12:52pm  
 * no *
Biggles Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 24-Jun-2004 3:53pm  
I'd turn it on its head and say evolution created God or even evolution is God/God is evolution.
kitti_723
posted 24-Jun-2004 10:13pm  
I don't think there for I'm not.
RICES5
posted 29-Jun-2004 12:40am  
yes and so much more
Zen
posted 3-Jul-2004 2:20am  
I not believe in God. Its very very not logic if God created the evolution. If the God created the evolution, i am sure all the old testament talk none sense ! Its logic the Five Niyama (Utu niyama, Bija Niyama, Kamma Niyama, etc) created the evolution.
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