Minority Candidates in 2000

I could've sworn I selected Single option, but I used the Back browser and tried to fix it (I'd been told this was possible), but it wouldn't let me. Guess I'll have to start QUADRUPLE Checking my surveys.

I'd most likely (assuming I could vote) vote for a candidate whose politics closely matched my own. If none of them came close, then I'd vote for the one that I felt would do the most good for (or, more likely, the least harm to) the country.

I presented the option that daver went with first. Proof that I am getting better at this. Maybe someday I'll have a survey in the Best Active section.



NAH!

While I'd really like to be able to say that my choice would completely ignore such issues and depend only on the candidate's views, I probably would give some weight to sex or sexual orientation.

Women are not a minority.

elijahblue: No, they just act like it, even though they actually outnumber men by a billion, give or take.

"I'll probably vote for the white guy" is certainly true, and I checked it, but that's because I'll almost certainly be offered two (or perhaps three) white guys to choose from. It certainly depends on a candidate's views, but ethnicity would enter into the equation. (I certain wouldn't even consider voting for someone with Elizabeth Dole's stated positions and party affiliation if that person were another white man, while I have at least considered voting for her.)

Big Gay Al in 2000!

elijahblue and Brian - until women stop being treated as a minority in the world (paid less, given less opportunity for advancement, ruled out of many jobs entirely, not allowed to own properly or vote in some countries), then they should be considered a minority. Damnit.

Brian: go juggle some knives, you little brat (thanks bill for the new meaner, harsher SC )

Jody: I wasn't aware that a group had to be labelled a minority in order to work for a better life. I guess "human rights" are out, then?

Women have abilities men will never have (and probably never want to). Giving birth for one. Men would have one crap then shoot themselves (I'm man enough to admit it). Women are also better at double-speak, and double-meanings, whereas a man usually says just what he means (If he says you look great tonight, he DOES NOT, repeat, DOES NOT mena you look ugly the rest of the time. Trust me on this). Women also breasts. If men had them, they would never leave the house. Women also mature faster than men. If the gender is still being oppressed by males, it's because, quite frankly, we fear you. More men are afraid of their wives than they are of plane crashes or drive-bys.

Brian: 'We act like it'????!!!! you are such an ass.

elijahblue: Juggle knives? What did I say to deserve that comment? Oh wait I know. You hate me personally.

anon: Well, elijah's right. Women aren't really a minority per se.

Brian: I believed that you deserved that comment because you said women act like a minority. After reading your other comments on abilities that women have that men will never have I really think that you need to turn off your computer, leave your house and go SOCIALIZE!!! It really does not matter who but go talk to people and don't complain that you have no friends go try to make some.

elijahblue - A group doesn't have to be labeled a minority to work for a better life, but if they're treated as one, they should be labeled as one, so people can join them in their struggle and help them to GET a better life. Nobody can make it to the top alone, especially against all the prejudice and glass ceilings women face today. Women still do not have the same rights and opportunities as men, they have fewer.

Anon, as far as political matters go women DO act like they're a minority. If Brian's an ass for speaking the truth then we need more asses.

Jody: I agree.

dab: join Brian

P.S. Brian, I never said I hated you personally, and I don't. I do hate the attitude you've just displayed towards women.

elijah: YOU'RE the one that said they aren't a minority!

Jody: I currently LIVE with not one but THREE, all many years older than me and far more experienced (liberal attitudes run in my family), so you could say I have a unique perspective. Also, out of the friends I've had, 70+ percent of them have been female. Some have called me a "double agent in the battle of the sexes." I apologize if I offended, but I was speaking from experience.

Albino? Isn't that a medical condition? 'I'd probably vote for a blind president.'

You didn't include the SubGenius candidate.

Funnily enough, I'd actually vote on them based on their credentials...

I don't vote... but I wouldn't choose a president based on skin color or beliefs if I did vote.

As much as I hate to admit it.. I completely agree with Brian's statement about women acting like a minority. We get more opportunities than men now thanks to all our doging and moaning. We need to get over it... men and women might be different in a lot of ways.. but we're still equal.

I've been taught that minority can mean group-with-less-power, not just smaller-group. That being the case, I'd say that women are certainly a minority.

They - more opportunities than men? I'd be curious to hear what makes you say that. That's certainly not by experience of the world.

Brian: yup. Women are not, by definition, a minority. However I can see her point.

they: I'm quite curious to hear how women have more opportunities than men. Please explain this fascinating theory.

American politics..icky stuff. You vote for the prez directly, you vote at the same time every four years, powers are separated..the list goes on..no thanks.

I certainly won't vote for Elizabeth Dole, if that's what you're getting at.

well technically, north79, we don't vote for the prez directly at all.

gilly and elijahblue.. this is exactly what I'm talking about. Women are still screaming about women's rights when there is no reason to do so. While both of you might have been discriminated against at some point because you are women, there are times when men are discriminated against because they are men. Companies are now hiring women, minorities, and handicapped people not for their qualifications, but because they have raised such a fuss to the point that those companies can now be sued if they don't employ some women, handicapped people, and minorities regardless of their qualifications.

One reason I feel this way about minorities having more opportunities is that when I went to apply for financial aid for college, I realized that I can't get any government help because

1.I'm not a minority

2.I was a responsible enough female in high school not to get pregnant.

I'll admit it, even though I'm a woman, I'm a woman hater. Actually, maybe I'm a people hater....

Can you guys give me an example of why you think men have more opportunities than you?

**phi, technically, but the voting for president is of the individual, rather than the party with the most seats. And weak party discipline leads to...facility of corruption.

they - please start with the following web sites.
http://www.ssri.niu.edu/wei.html
http://www.apa.org/monitor/aug97/stereotypes.html
http://ethics.cwru.edu/ecsel/abstracts/seymour-hewitt.html
http://ethics.cwru.edu/ecsel/abstracts/womeneng3.html
http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/glass.html
http://www.the-scientist.library.upenn.edu/yr1995/nov/gender_951113.html
This is just a small sample.
Let's see - what have I encountered in the way of sexism and diminishment in the workforce and school? And remember these experiences are ones of *diminishing my opportunities*, as well as enhancing their own. There was the time in metal shop that the male teacher said I shouldn't dirty my hands doing that men's work so I could just file some of his papers during class. There was the time when the male instructor told me (who was focusing quite hard on my studies) to stop distracting his male students so they could work. There was the time I was told by someone I was project managing (he was basically doing work for me) at the time that "You're such a pretty little thing, you should wear dresses more often.". There was the time when a professor came up to me in physics class and started singing "foxy lady" to me, and I still wonder why he gave me a D on a very good paper that quarter, there was the time when an older coworker who made my skin crawl came up behind me and, completely unprovoked, kissed me on the neck (ewwwww). Many very experienced and gifted women I know have been passed over time and again for promotions (one woman I know hit the glass ceiling in three separate professions!). Women I know have gotten fewer and lower raises than men in their department, less opportunity for advancement, and have frequently been given the "pooper scooper" roles (maintaining existing software, doing tech support, managing a product nearing its end-of-life cycle, rather than being given the choice, new technologies to work on). Do you want the whole list or just the top ten? Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it doesn't still happen.

Jody.. I have no way of knowing whether or not you provoked the incidents you mentioned or if those women who were not given promotions were even worthy of them. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen... but it happens to men also... Women are just much better at doging about things. I noticed that 6 people said they would vote for a woman president regardless of her views just because she was a woman... To me, that's discrimination against men. Since there is not an option for "I'd most likely vote for the man", there is nothing to compare it to.

Jody: thank you!!!!

I am shocked that anyone, man or woman, could claim men are discriminated against as much as women are, or that "women are just better at doging". To me this is tantamount to claiming Jews were not persecuted by the Nazis. The huge volume of data is overwhelming. They, are you young and starting out in your career? Maybe you don't have enough experience to have seen what women go through ... I do know a few teenage women with your attitude, but I don't know *any* woman over 25 who has not personally encountered discrimination. I certainly have had my fair share. It demeans what we go through to claim "we asked for it" or "we simply weren't worthy".

Wow where do I begin. This is a doozy.

Brian, you have some validity in your arguments but it seems kind of out of focus. I second the notion that you get out of the basement and socialize. It'll clear up your perspectives.

Jody, Nyssa: I'm with They. I am tired of the endless ranting and raving of hardline feminists of all genres who insist that the world is still oppressive to women. Is it perfect? No. But its a far cry from what it was 100, 50, 20 years ago. Lighten up. Convince yourself you're a victim and you are. It's self sustaining. As they said, is there any proof that all of this 'discrimination' is a result of solely you genre? There a millions of reasons why something may have occurred of which you did not approve. To assume it is just because you are female is absurd.

You can trot out all the statistics you want..what do they prove? Oh look, in profession A there are only 10% women..discrimination! Hey, did anyone consider that perhaps, women just didn't WANT to go into that profession? And then we have affirmative action programs..good idea, two wrongs make a right now do they?

I refuse to support causes restricted solely to women. You will never see me support a battered women's shelter, or walk in a parade for violence against women. Why? Because I don't think MY life is any less valuable than a womens..you want to stop violence against EVERYONE I'll be the first to sign up.

Being anti-male does not create equality for women.

North79: In college I was told by my math professor that women do not belong in engineering so he refused to answer my questions in the class. It was not a comment made to me that I was not smart enough but that women, all women did not belong in engineering. Would you consider this 'proof' of discrimination? How else would you explain it? Yes you can say that this is an isolate incident but I have others that can list if you need more proof. I am not anti-male I want to get the same treatment that everyone else gets. Sometimes I do get the same treatment but there have been many times that I have not.

It really depends on the candidate's politics. Assuming I find them interchangeably good, I'm predisposed to vote against WASPS to flatten the corresponding power imbalances.
Choosing among the various interchangeable minority candidates is harder. I picked "lesbian" on the theory that I kill two birds with one stone that way, but it's really a silly scenario.

I've seen woman who got promtoed because they would'v sued if they didn't. Men don't have this power. We have to stay in our cubicles while women just yell OPPRESSIOn and sudenly get everything they want. And youn know what? Of those women who got promoted, 12 in all, only two of them were actually qualified. Sadl, I'm not in their departements. I'm stuck with this gay bashing republican cracker.

There are always going to be a couple of bosses who will continue to discriminate at the risk of their own jobs, but not all men are like that. I support equal rights, but it's gone too far. Female Supremacy is just as rampant as White Supremacy, Black Supremacy, GAY Supremacy, ad nauseum. We shouldn't have Supremacy period, but women seem to think it's okay for them. Most feminist groups (not the ones I help out with but most others) aren't really feminists at all. Their Feminazis. I like feminists. I live with three of them, and I love and respect them. But I have no respect for the other group. Here's a list of differnces between Feminists and Feminazis;

Feminsit: Can tell when a guy is a discriminating, and when he isn't.
Feminazi: Thinks all men are anti-female, and thinks that stories about abused husbands and men who support feminists are lies and propaganda.

Feminist: Understands that women fought for years for their freedom of choice and chooses to do what she wants.
Feminazi: A woman who decides to want to be thin or to want to be a stay at home mom, is not making choice at all. (If a woman wants to stay at home or go to work, either way I don't care, as long as I get to cook. I love to cook).

Feminsist: Has male friends who she likes.
Feminzais: Kill all the men after we've stocked the sperm-banks.

Feminsit: Gets romoted due to her skills, but if she doesn't she has a LEGITAMATE case of discrimination.
Feminazi: Want a promtion? Sue the boss, even if your not qualified.

As you can see, I have no problem with the feminist movement. Hell I even help support it. So no one here has the right to call me anti-Woman.

Jody: What happened to you is very wrong, and you do have a legitmate case for sexual harrasment, but men have been discriminated against too. My Home E teacher refused to let me cook anything saying men don't belong in the kitchen. I always ended doing heavy lifting, which gave me a hernia, cause I was weaker than some of the girls in my class. So it does happen to us.

**doom..so when women get preferential treatment, is that considered fair? And yes, I WOULD like some more examples. You can cite all the ones you want actually. My point is that these discriminating folk do exist..but not is such gargantuan numbers as feminists would all have us believe. There are still communists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes..they will never completely be wiped out. That is the price you pay in a free society. But it is NOT running rampant.

P.S. I ended up having to learn cooking from my mother who quite frankly could burn water.

Thanks North. Your right. But what about reverse discrimination? Women thinks it's when men are slammed, but Reverse Discrimination is when a women gets a promotion due to her looks. I'm not saying she was boinking the boss. That doesn't happen very much anymore, but, well, aw heck, you know what I'm saying even though I seem to be having one of my stupid days.

Brian: your labeling of womens, gays, racial minorities etc. quest for equality as a drive for supremacy reeks of paranoia.

Brian, sure it happens..I still just call it 'discrimination' though.
It works both ways.

they: Nothing Jody or I or anyone else says to you will likely change your mind. The "routine" sexism of the US is not sufficient to get through to you I believe. If I had my druthers, I'd pack you off to Afghanistan or Egypt for a few months, if that didn't get to you nothing will.

elijahblue.. I assumed we were talking about the US... considering that's where we both live.

Brian and North79 have both said some things that I completely agree with.

I do not want to be a special case but apparently you do. Arguing about it will get us nowhere. My opinion is that I'm equal, and will continue to be equal to all other people. I don't want to start a whole different argument but I have been discriminated against by african-american employers more than I have by men. Everyone, at some point in their lives is going to feel like they didn't get something that they deserved, but with as many people there are in this world, no one is going to go through life being 100 percent happy with the way they have been treated. I'm sorry if in Afghanistan and Egypt women aren't treated as fairly as they are here in the US. Since your cause has already been won here, maybe you should concentrate your hard feelings in that area.

they, since you don't even bother to vote, it is unsurprising to me that you do not care whether or not you have the right to. I hope that no one ever tramples that hole you've got your head stuck in.

hunter... so anyone who has an opinion different from yours has their head stuck in a hole? :)

Pomeranian: You took what I said out of context! I said that some are actually looking for equality while others are looking for supremacy while hiding behind the veil of equality.

Brian: I am going to go out a limb here, and say that I have certainly never known a les/bi/gay person who desired 'supremacy' over straights, period. As for women, I am 99% certain that none of them wanted to place men in the position that women are currently in. Of course, I could be wrong, since I can't know for sure what is in peoples hearts. However, I am 100% certain that if *you* feel that women (or gays or whatever) are hiding thier need for supremacy, in order to conquer the hegemony, then you are by definition paranoid.

Oh the heck with it...I hearby declare Sodom and Gomorrah the Gay Holy Land, and vow to topple the Straights in my quest for supremacy.

???? god, i am starting to hate coming and answering surveys here!!!
so far today, more then half of the surveys have been surveys i didn't even want to answer. this could have been a good survey but there is something about it that is very negative, and distasteful.

Wow- radical feminists are back in full form. Hey, shouldn't it be 'womyn'??? Oh cruel world!

If I turn back to look at the Gay Holy Land, what will I turn into?

bill - a loud Hawaiian shirt

Depends on their political orientation and ideas.

I couldn't possibly answer, because I don't understand the concept. I don't choose things ideas or people I like or respect just because of a singular quality.

Pomeranian: I've heard of plenty of women who not only speaks negatively of men the way some men talk about women, I've also heard of women beating the crap out of men, then when the guy hits back JUST ONCE, he's labelled an abuser, and she gets to go on causing crap! My dad got beat all the time, and though he never hit back, if he had, I doubt I'd be living with him right now. If 100% of women were about equallity, like you say, things like this wouldn't happen. I mean, what if a guy guts jumped by a girl with a knife, gets the knife away and slugs her, are people gonna see him as a guy defending himself, or a guy who likes to beat women? Most women will say the latter.

Because of the incredibly loud Feminazi's, the way-too-quiet Feminists are receiving a bad name.

As for Gay Supremacy, I heard about a group in San Fran called Pink nazis. They are a Homosexuals-Only Anti-Semite club. Supremacy is supremacy.

I'd vote for the best human