When the hell did a penis become a birth defect?

This statement is detrimental to the people who have true birth defects! Don't denigrate Down's Syndrome, Autism, Cystic Fibrosis, Conjoined Twins, etc. It makes transexuals look even more crazy. The ONLY way a penis is a birth defect is if someone is born a hermaphrodite.

I would just do my best to be there for him. I would support him in whatever choice he made. Plus, girls are better, so why should I argue with him?!

My sister-in-law acts like a penis is a birth defect. She only values little girls, and doesn't want any more babies unless she has a girl, as little boys are defective. Heck, she probably also thinks her husband is damaged and defective. I feel sorry for her sons, being raised with a mom like that.

I said to my hub-if it doesn't grow between birth and adulthood, it might be defective. He pretended to cry. lmbo

He's mentally a girl, physically a boy. His manhood is no more a physical defect than his womanhood a mental defect. I'm not saying either one is a defect, I'm saying one can't be a defect if the other isn't

I would advise him to go to therapy. I would advise him to go and see a 'past-life therapist' and then I would ask him to consider learning to live with his special gift and try to understand the spirituality of it.

I don't know, it would depend on how old he was and how he used to behave. If my brother were a manly, rugged man, I'd be pretty surprised. If he were a prissy metrosexual and/or he was homosexual, I would not feel so surprised. Despite what I would feel inside, I'd try to be the most supportive I could.

I guess someone who is not sure of his gender could consider a penis a birth defect. That is his opinion. I agree with Dino however, he needs to see a therapist to make sure that all is okay with him. The decision to live as a woman or to become one is his own. I hope you find the answer. Good Luck!!!!

well, I find that very hard to imagine considering his personality, but I'll give a crack at it. Since he's 17, and will turn 18 this September, he's old enough to make his own choices. I dont really interact with him that much, if at all, much less care what he does. I say its his body, so let him do whatever the fudge he pleases.

Allthough I could much more imagine the situtation reverserved, (not that I would what the operation either.) If the situation was reversed, however, I wouldnt imagine him being too supportive though, but thats another issue.

I like the way joailis put it.

Its the inconsistancy between the mental and the physical (not either one) that's the defect.

I can definately see it as a mental defect to have that line of thinking (woman inside, man outside). What gets me mad is that statement makes birth defects in general a joke. Eisenmenger's Syndrome is NO joke! I had a friend who was born with it and several other birth defects. He died last July at age 32.
Maybe I'm sensitive to the use of the term "birth defect" since it has had an affect on our lives.

I would definately tell the person to go see a psychiatrist.

That's sad. Her son is likely to have some issues when he grows up.
I hope the father shows him the love he deserves.

I don't have a brother

I don't know what I would say, but I would be supportive as much as humanly possible.

She has 2 sons and a step son. The other day she practically knocked them down running to the car to play with my daughter.

I guess I would have to say that whatever made him happy was good enough for me and I would help him in any way that I could.

I'd talk with him about it, support him, suggest he see a good therapist with expertise in transgender issues, and try to help make sure he followed through on that.

I wouldnt nessarily call it a "birth defect", mostly a birth inconvience. Sort of like getting a mole removed.

Since its THIER body (and you're a libertarian, you claim), shouldnt they be allowed to do whatever the fudge they want with it. Hey, some people take up smoking, some people take up drinking, some people eat cholestrol filled burgers, and some people get their penisis and testis removed; I hell wouldnt want the government telling me I cant smoke here, or I cant enjoy red meat. Provided they pay all the expenses and dont sue when they change their minds.


"I would definately tell the person to go see a psychiatrist."

actually, they usually do. From what I hear, getting a sco is a lenghy process, usually about a year. They take the person in considiration, go though rounds and rounds of phycological testing making sure the person is really ready for this, and usually make "him" live as the opposite sex for some time. And then there's always a crap load of paper work to fill out.


Based on my point of view, a male-to-female converstion does nothing more to society than decrease the male-to-female ratio; which consequently I should benefit.

> I'd talk with him about it, support him, suggest he see a good therapist
> with expertise in transgender issues, and try to help make sure he
> followed through on that.

They usually do go to a therapist. Read my reply to glassa.

I'd wish him all the best and wholeheartedly support him. People have to do what they feel is right for them. Why should anyone object to someone else's happiness -- it is THEIR body, and they should follow their own desires.

I would probably have already suspected something and would not be surprised. I would support my loved one even if I didn't agree because I know that if someone feels strongly enough about something they will do it anyway. I think he would simply be looking for my support not asking for my permission.

I would laugh. I know I would laugh because I can totally picture him doing this and he would do it real dead-pan like he was serious. My brother and I don't look alike and we are very different in just about every way, but we have the exact same warped sense of humour. I could probably pull off a prank like this much more effectively though. It would have worked better if I did it back when I was a transvestite.

I don't know what I'd say until the situation arrised.

i would tell him that if he truly feels that way that he should figure out what he needs to do to make himself happy. also, i would say that i'm there for him no matter what. (hey, i've always wanted a sister )

yikes! she has sons?!? actually, i have an aunt who tends to be like that...good thing she only has daughters (although that doesn't help my uncle much)

*shrugs*

> i would tell him that if he truly feels that way that he should figure
> out what he needs to do to make himself happy. also, i would say
> that i'm there for him no matter what. (hey, i've always wanted a
> sister )

Thats what i told my brother, and although she wouldn't ever say so, I know my mom had always wanted a daughter and was heart broken when she found out she couldn't have any more kids after my brother was born. So now she is enjoying her new daughter and is always taking her shopping and buying her things. *I like having a sister too *

> i would tell him that if he truly feels that way that he should figure
> out what he needs to do to make himself happy. also, i would say
> that i'm there for him no matter what. (hey, i've always wanted a
> sister )

You would be a wonderful, supportive sister. I wish i had a sister. What would you do for him?

Well, this survey makes me laugh because I'm certain my brother is quite fond of his penis. But if this happened I would certainly be supportive. I would ask him about his feelings and do whatever I could to help him find happiness.

> I would probably have already suspected something and would not be
> surprised. I would support my loved one even if I didn't agree because
> I know that if someone feels strongly enough about something they
> will do it anyway. I think he would simply be looking for my support
> not asking for my permission.
definately.


Would you teach him everything you know about being a girl, fashions/makeup/hair/mannerisms/etc?

Well, I don't have a brother but if I did, I would act ok about it, but secretly, I would be freakin'.

Well, if that's what he wants.

I think I would state at him and blink a lot. I'd wonder if he was joking. I'd wonder what his wife and two kids would think of this. I wouldn't feel equipped to help him. I'd recommend that he work with a therapist who specialized in this sort of thing to help him understand how to proceed. I'd worry about him.

I see what you mean now!

MY brother? I'd laugh and wait for the "nudge, nudge, wink, wink".

I would support him... I would encourage him to wait at least a couple years and think about it before making his final decision, though.

told ya!

I wonder if the Nutra-boob survey is still around...

N-u-t-r-a B-u-s-t dammit!

There appears to be a parody of it...
http://surveycentral.org/survey/17801.html

Ah, and the real thing is still there as well:
http://surveycentral.org/survey/17792.html

Yeah, it is their body. If they want to fudge it up, I guess they can.
It does take a year or two. They have to take the hormones first and go through psychiatric counseling before the surgery.
Do you know how they turn the penis into a vagina? They use the skin of the penis as the lining of the new vagina. Just skin the penis like a possum. I saw it in a documentary.
Ya think any man who wants to do that is emotionally healthy?

But I still don't think it's a birth defect.

gee thanks....like i said, i'd just be there for whatever. i mean, what good would it do to get mad at someone for that kind of decision? make them feel worse about themselves? i know that wouldn't be an easy decision to come to, and they don't need anyone else telling them that. and really, if i were to have a problem with it, it would be my problem, not his.

I'd be supportive. This is tough issue...good luck with it.

Let's kick her ass!!!

"They use the skin of the penis as the lining of the new vagina. Just skin the penis like a possum. I saw it in a documentary. "

really?! I used to think they turned the penis into a clit. That would seem to make more sense logiclly, but then again, I am not a medical expert, so what do I know.



well, its all sematics anyway. I mean, seriously, whats your definition of "birth defect." I mean people get face lifts and nose surgrey all the time. Thats not saying its a defect, just an inconvience. Personally, I dont understand it. Here's what I think, from an evolutiary point of view, if your ansestors passed on to you some "ugly", "faulty" gene; hell, they musta done something right, cause you're here.

That would be fun!

I've never met my brothers so it wouldn't make much difference to me whether a brother or sister turned up at my door!

are you sure that's a parody? I just assumed it was the same creator trying again.

Or possibly this is incredibly badly written Nutra-boob spam! Spam Central

It's my brother so I'd do what I could to help him. And I'd lock my pantyhose drawer... I've been wondering where they have been going.

I'd say, "Omifukkingod, I didn't know I had a brother!"

Yes, absolutely. I would answer any questions he had for me. I am personally against surgery unless it's a life or death situation. I am phobic of doctors.

This would never happen.

I would wonder what kind of recent intense emotional stress or brain damage he had suffered to be saying something like that out of the blue. Neither of my brothers currently believe that they are actually female - that's something I am sure of. I might laugh if I thought they were joking. Otherwise I would be worried aout what had happened to my younger brother in the 10 minutes since I last saw him, and my older brother in the last 4 months since I last saw him.

I would say, "Ok, I'm glad that you think you've found a way to be more comfortable with yourself. Lemme know what I can do to help."

Knowing my 2 brother and my 2 step-brothers, this isn't something I need to think about.

I'd tell him I'm glad he's come to terms with it, and I would help him achieve happiness in any way I can.

I would tell him to go to a proffessional, but would support his final decision. There are alot of close minded people that are not well informed about this condition. There have been people who have been born with extra genitals,or no genitals, or under developed genitals. Whose to say that it is not possible to be born the wrong sex on the outside? But what ever the cause, if I had a family member in this poistion I would not turn my back on them.

> But what ever the cause, if I had a family member in
> this poistion I would not turn my back on them.

way to go, smakie. thats awsome.

> Well, this survey makes me laugh because I'm certain my brother
> is quite fond of his penis. But if this happened I would certainly
> be supportive. I would ask him about his feelings and do whatever
> I could to help him find happiness.

and you are just as fond of what you have too , right.
so why couldn't he want what you have?

> I would say, "Ok, I'm glad that you think you've found a way to be
> more comfortable with yourself. Lemme know what I can do to help."

that is pretty much what i told my bro. after i got over the initial shock and did some internet research.

> gee thanks....like i said, i'd just be there for whatever. i mean,
> what good would it do to get mad at someone for that kind of decision?
> make them feel worse about themselves? i know that wouldn't be an
> easy decision to come to, and they don't need anyone else telling
> them that. and really, if i were to have a problem with it, it would
> be my problem, not his.
Wold you give him help with anything he asked? shopping, dating, talking to your parents, etc?

of course...like i said, i'd be there for whatever.

I realize there are men who would like to have a sex change, and if they want to go through all that hassle I don't have a problem with it. What I'm saying is that I know my brother very well. I came out to him as a lesbian about 10 years ago, and if he had any desire to have a sex change I'm sure I'd have heard about it by now, so the idea of him saying this to me was amusing.

> of course...like i said, i'd be there for whatever.

i like your attitude and oulook BerrieGrrl

thanks

> thanks
if only everyone thought like that. Actually me mom and brother did when i told them.

Have you took my new survey about the son wanting the outfit in walmart? I'm anxious to here your thoughts on it.

i don't know if i answered that one yet, i've been having computer problems so i've been having SC withdrawals lately. good to hear your family was supportive.

> i don't know if i answered that one yet, i've been having computer
> problems so i've been having SC withdrawals lately. good to hear your
> family was supportive.

Definately!
Thanks

> i don't know if i answered that one yet, i've been having computer
> problems so i've been having SC withdrawals lately. good to hear your
> family was supportive.
I couldn't ask for a more supportive family.

Try this web site www.erectilefacts.com/ms/news/515664/main.html
(sorry not that computer savy)

Oh you trying to study up and better understand me?

Pull out my blade and offer to whack it off for him.

Boo-freak'in-hoo

Errrrrm that's a tough one. I'd feel sorry for him like pity him and also be shocked and somewhat uncomfortable. But I'd support him none the less and make sure he was absolutely sure about this but it is a difficult thing to imagine.

But I was also shocked that time that he came out as bisexual and revealed that he'd actually had a sex slumber party with a group of guys a few years back. He even had the used frangers to prove it! It was more of a jack off party because they didn't actually touch each other, just watched each other. So anyway I'd probably be a bit desensitized to my bro being any more gay then he already is.

> Twins, etc. It makes transexuals look even more crazy. The ONLY
> way a penis is a birth defect is if someone is born a hermaphrodite.

I think that their gender identity is the real birth defect. I'm not trying to say gay is wrong, I just think it is a birth defect. My former sister is a transgender man. At first he started out as a butch lesbian but then took it too far. But I'm glad he didn't commit suicide like a lot of gay people do.

> |> Twins, etc. It makes transexuals look even more crazy. The
> ONLY
> |> way a penis is a birth defect is if someone is born a hermaphrodite.
>
> I think that their gender identity is the real birth defect. I'm not
> trying to say gay is wrong, I just think it is a birth defect. My
> former sister is a transgender man. At first he started out as a butch
> lesbian but then took it too far. But I'm glad he didn't commit suicide
> like a lot of gay people do.

Thank you, W

I would support his decision.