What is wrong, if anything, with Feminism?

Nothing that I can think of. Why shouldn't women have the same rights and salaries as men?

Nothing's wrong with females wanting to be considered equal with males, but most feminists are actually trying to be superior to males.

Much like the survey in the link, although I agree with the ideals of feminism as I understand them, I can list a number of things that I strongly disagree with which have been (probably wrongly) associated with feminism.

Feminism is wrong when it is used as an excuse to:

-blame men in general for something that only some men are responsible for.

-destroy someone else's property because something about it offends your sensibilities.

-unreasonably exclude men from participation in an activity or entrance to an otherwise public venue.

-censor or outlaw any kind of media, pornographic or otherwise.

Zang basically summed it up.

women need to be kept in there places. they need to stay home and raise the kids, cook my dinner, and clean my house and be grateful for sex

read my reply in:
http://surveycentral.org/survey/15650.html

Often those who say they are feminists don't have much esteem of women as women,or they think women don't need men or something...it's true a woman doesn't need a man for having a job or being free,but what about a little thing called love?



And is like they're trying to turn into men,instead of saying women are good as women too.They work on quantity and not quality,they think being equal means being the same.

it depends on a lot on what you mean by feminism. If by fenimism you mean securing equal rights, equal protections, equal privileges, equal pay for women who do things that are equivalent to what men are doing... then there's nothing wrong with feminisim.

If you by feminisim (why is that so difficult to type???) you mean retalation against men for oppression of women... then there's a lot wrong with that.

I'm inclined to say nothing - but the one thing wrong with feminism is the inclination sometimes to discourage people (women) to take responsibility for their own actions. But generally, for the purposes of this survey I tick nothing.

Well, as long as it's strictly about making women equal to men, there is nothing wrong with it. When it becomes male-bashing of bunch of ugly bossy women who can't get laid, then it's gone too far.

The intense hatred hardcore feminists have against men. They hate men, but at the same time, go out of their way to look like a man.
Oh, and then you have some hardcore feminists who believe that all sex is rape.

Then, they expect women to get equal pay for equal work. Fact is, it's rarely equal work. Women are constantly leaving to take care of the kids for one reason or another. Why should a woman get paid to do half the job the man does?
Equal pay for equal work is such a flawed arguement. I do agree though, if it really is equal work.

My grandfather believes that women had more power when they were home raising the kids and guys earning the money. Women were raising the next generation and that has a lot of power. I can see his point, but I'd still rather be out working.

It's too antagonistic.

I believe that Feminism is about women achieving equal opportunities with men. Not better opportunities, just equal. I believe Feminism is a good thing. Of course, other people take Feminism to extremes, and extremes are seldom good.

I think sometimes people take it a little too far. I think it's great to be a feminist, but when it turns into hating men, and assuming that all men are chauvinists, then I don't think that's fair.

Feminists claim they want equal rights with men but what they are really seeking is more or special rights for women alone. They are not about equality at all, and are often trying to subjugate men and boys. They see any reversal in the seeking of rights or equality by men as an attack on women.

Don't throw the baby out with the radical feminist bathwater! I, personally, want equal opportunities and rights with men, as do many women I know. I suspect men have all the same opportunities as women at this point but if they don't, they should.

As long as affirmative action is in place, there is no true equality. In theory women have less rights than men, but the fact is when it comes to job opportunities, scholarships, university places etc, men will not gain a place if there are already too many men. Basically men are being penalised for the success of other men.

Well, for one thing, name me any industry or company in America who is using some sort of quota system for male/female employment. I double dog dare ya.
That being said, if women are severely underrepresented in a field, and equally qualified, I think it makes sense, within limits, to increase their representation in positions which have heretofore been unavailable to them, for whatever reason. If the shoe were on the foot (i.e. men were severely underrepresented), how would you feel?

Even if it isn't official, they will be sure to select some women if they feel they might get a discrimination suit due to an overwhelming male staff. I believe Walmart is in court right now because women employees feel there aren't enough women in top positions. Qualifications are not mentioned.

If men were underrepresented because women did a better job I wouldn't mind. Women are unrepresented in mining and I don't see them fighting to get down the coal mines.

Nothing

I feel qualifications are vital. I don't think even a threat of a lawsuit would make a smart corporate behemoth like Walmart put unqualified people in positions of power.

Also, certainly women are interested in having equal opportunities in mining, as indicated in CEDAW (http://www.unifem-eseasia.org/Gendiss/Gendiss3.htm - where the direct quote is "CEDAW requires the elimination of all forms of discrimination, both direct and indirect. Direct discrimination has the purpose or intent of discriminating. For example, a regulation prohibiting women from working in certain industries or occupations, such as underground mining, constitutes direct discrimination.").

They will for public relations reasons.

I'll believe it when you show me. Truly, I'm sure there are PLENTY of qualified women to fill those roles, in addition to plenty of qualified men.

You don't believe that women are employed just to make companies look less sexist?

I think women are underrepresented in certain fields because of the fact that women are more likely to quit their jobs to stay home and raise a family than men are. In that case, there's no reason to penalize men for the woman's choice. That's just a fact of life, not sexism.

See my reply to Jody above. You could probably say it better than me.

I assume the point is to include Feminism and Chauvinism in with the other similar surveys, but this feels unbalanced (even more so this time). Chauvinism is defined negatively, while Feminism is defined much more positively (in a dictionary I checked anyway, but that agrees with my feelings too).

Surely you jest. Of course I don't believe that women are employed to make companies look less sexist. Competent women abound, particularly in America.

So let's see - a working father can be the vice president of a company, but not a working mother? Why does the woman have to stay home and care for the children? Are men incompetent boobs when it comes to nurturing and caring for our children? I think that's an insult to fathers everywhere.

I meant to say *some* women.

The idea that all sex between a man and a woman is rape is wrong. Feminism is wrong to the extent that it supports that idea.

I've never come across a feminist who holds that belief, so it's pretty out there to say that feminism supports the idea.

What about that radical feminist group that printed an ad with random men's full names on it, taken from a directory of some sort, and the text "These men are potential rapists"?

Right, what about them?

It's probably out there to say that feminism in general supports that idea, but there are some feminists out there that do.

Right. I think we agree on this

Women considered leaders in the feminist movement have expressed that opinion. Others in the movement, so far as I know, have not disavowed these leaders. While I don't really think that most people who consider themselves feminists believe that all sex between a man and woman is rape, the ideas are now quite intertwined.

I'd love to know your sources for that information. Do you know where I could read about it?

If a guy has too much Feminism he is therefor gay..and gay wrong

The extreme of anything is bad.

Feminism is taking away the rights and respect of men and is also creating our society to be run entirely by women, putting the men out of the picture. I am for equality, but when a movement goes beyond that into promoting inequality, it has gone wrong. And I am a stable and successful woman.

It depends on the definition. If the definition is equality between the genders, then nothing. If it's men are lesser beings then that's what's wrong.

It's an old statement, predating the web by quite a bit, but a bit of web searching and I trace it back to Andrea Dworkin. Here's a website about her, including a rebuttal she made in 1995 claiming that people misinterpreted what she wrote. I find her rebuttal incomprehensible but you can decide for yourself.

Thanks very much, I'll give it a read!

There is somethings wrong with feminism. For starters one thing is for sure men and women are not equal. They have never been equals since the time we have been walking on this earth. And to say that we are is wrong completely wrong. Two women already have most of hte same rightsd men have and more. When they decide to have children they can leave the job for therre whole pregnacy and not get fired. What i am trying to say Feminism is not a bad thing but it does have its limits and to go further is foolhardy.