User	Comment
romkey	(reply to kaleb777) posted 2-Mar-2003 11:52am   having a bad time at the market? We're lucky enough (especially considering that we live in a rural area) to have a top rate grocery store, the Hanover Food Coop, near us. They don't suffer from most of the store-related problems that plague other supermarkets. I really enjoy grocery shopping there. Most of the things I dislike about it have to do with other customers. The store is fairly spacious but people still manage to leave their carts maximally blocking the aisles. I really hate the little kiddie carts; parents seem to let their kids run free with them and I've actually had one little kid ram me repeatedly with his cart. And I get very anal retentive about item count in the express lane. Sometimes I opt not to get something that's not critical so that I'll stay within the limit, or I'll go to a non-express lane because I'm one item over... I get pissed off when I see people ignoring the limit when I put myself out to stay within it. But generally, still, the customers here are a lot better than the customers down in Boston; they're more relaxed, less stressed out, and the problems that do happen aren't very frequent. Also, the folks who work at the Coop tend to be very nice and relaxed and not pissy.
Lahdee	posted 2-Mar-2003 12:53pm   I picked some of the above. Would it be lazy of me to not type them all out? As for screaming kids, I don't mind other people's screaming kids, but when mine scream or whine, I get annoyed and stressed. Also, high winds outside that blow groceries out of your cart heading to the car. We had those ramen soup cups and the wind blew them all over the place. Bystanders helped pick them up and we got them all! I almost said oh forget it I'm not chasing 20 cups of soup all over the lot in this wind, but some rushed to my aid and I had to help. LOL
Dino	posted 2-Mar-2003 1:11pm   Anything to do with other people. Especially people with shopping carts. And queues.
anoddoblivion	posted 2-Mar-2003 1:49pm   I picked quite a few, because everyone is aggrevated by things. But one that really get one my nerves are when prices aren't there and when cart wheels are messing up, and when cart wheels mess up, but only when a lot of people are there and I bump into them, or vice versa because their wheels are messed up.
kaleb777	(reply to romkey) posted 2-Mar-2003 2:22pm   I sound like a real whinger (complainer) but I actually don't mind going to the supermarket. Retail therapy and trying new foods helps the experience, but If I was rich I would definitely shop by myself if it ever closed. The thing I really hate is to do with other people who are totally oblivious to they position in space and who seem to either not care that other people need to use the aisles or have an attitude where they expect others to scurry out of their way. The last time I shopped on a Saturday afternoon there were 30 checkouts open, and about 4 people with full carts waiting at each one. We looked like livestock. I looked around - not a smile in the place. This is why I shop late at night.
Biggles	posted 2-Mar-2003 3:02pm   My local supermarket (Sainsbury's Local) have just got a new computer system that no-one can operate yet so the queues are really long and take ages to go down. There's a single queue but up to 18 checkouts on at busy times so it always used to go down very rapidly, even with just a few tills being used. I also hate when we walk to the proper Sainsbury's which is further away, buy heavy things and then have to walk all the way back to college. Even worse when I'm alone, better when the weight gets shared between a couple of us. Even better when we have a lad with us!
mandy	posted 2-Mar-2003 3:36pm   This was the most brilliant and well thought out list of options I've had the pleasure to click in soooo long. I clicked a bunch but luckily many of the things I clicked don't happen to me anymore since we got the new grocery store in town that dropped down from grocery heaven. It's clean and wonderful and perfect and I love it. Grocery shopping for me is a lovely Stepford-like dream. *hums and smiles*
Galomorro	posted 2-Mar-2003 8:28pm   Really long price chex; cashiers who don't know what veg or fruit they are attempting to price (lotsa times); other - prices different in computer/checkout than they are on the SHELVES!; too few checkouts; too slow checkers; people who take too many items into the express areas; prices missing from the shelves -- so if you are on a budget you have to go find someone to tell you the price of it; cart wheels that don't behave; people who just stand there blocking aisles with their carts; and especially LONG LINES! VERY good survey!!
Yarbroughhunter	posted 2-Mar-2003 9:30pm   Not being able to find what you are looking for because they relocated the items.
Zang	posted 3-Mar-2003 12:09am   I don't hate anything about going to the supermarket. There are a couple of things that bother me a little, but they aren't on the list of options. That would be the fact that the supermarkets are so far away from my place, and that sometimes, in some stores, the baskets are dirty. I'm really a pretty happy fellow. I experience most of the things on the list of options, but they really don't faze me at all. Just part of life's rich pageant!
mydogategodshat	posted 3-Mar-2003 2:50am   I hate all the trash womens magazines that surround you on your way to the checkout. Can't they offer anything better than National Inquirer, Sweet Sixteen, and People/Celebrity Gossip.
Cain	posted 3-Mar-2003 4:06am   There's really very little I like about supermarkets but people talking in the aisles and blocking them REALLY irritate me. That's part of the joy of 24hr opening Tescos, I can go at four in the morning and pretty much have the place to myself.
Biggles	(reply to Cain) posted 3-Mar-2003 5:19am   Our Tescos is about a mile away, through the rougher part of Oxford. No 4am shopping there for me! I'd be hesitant about walking out there by myself during the day.
Cleo	posted 3-Mar-2003 6:25am   I checked all except the one that had to do with kids & babies.& the lazer in the eye bar code scanner thing. I especially HATE it when someone parks in a handicap spot & their not. Also HUGE SUVS that don't fit in the parking spot & it hangs way out of it's space. Also someone who has a ton of cupons to cash in.Then to top it off they whip out their check books & take their time writing it out. Argh! BTW what is Muzak? **scratches her head** Good survey!
kirst	posted 3-Mar-2003 7:13am   I dislike people blocking the aisles (and the aisles are really NARROW in Hong Kong). Also many people here really mangle the produce to find the "best" one. Probably the most annoying thing, though, is when things are out of stock. Since virtually all of our food here is imported, sometimes it's a long wait for the next container to arrive. (Obviously perishable items are air freighted in...)
Cain	(reply to Biggles) posted 3-Mar-2003 7:13am   Dundee is fairly tame. After a night out drinking I'm probably the scariest thing out there!!
romkey	(reply to kaleb777) posted 3-Mar-2003 8:25am   that's pretty much exactly what I hate too I also used to shop late at night to avoid it.
ROCKMAN	posted 3-Mar-2003 8:44am   Cart wheels that don't work right. Favorite products that have been discontinued. Prices too high. People finger f__king all the fruits & vegis. Too few checkouts which make for long lines. People who are not prepared to pay in general, and chit chat to much. I always park a ways out so I don't get the shopping cart dents, so I'm prepared for the hike.
southernyankee	posted 3-Mar-2003 9:48am   the ones clustering to the top, for some reason. i mostly hate long lines and anything that slows them down. oh, speaking of dirty conver belts, some crazy old woman just stoped, and started arguing and getting all paranoid because for some reason, she was scared that some spiled meat juice might be contaminated by terriorists. geez, where do crazy people like that come from, and where do people get such ridiculus ideas from. the media thats constantly tring to scare the crap out of us i presume. the line was really held up by that woman. yep, this is a pretty accurate list of what goes around in a grocery store. i like the option with gum. how true, how true. amazing how someone about a 1000 miles away came create a survey that hits so close to home. one abmigus option though, the one about people walking into you. is that a refrence to people just bumping into you (doesnt bother me a bit) or people who know you who want to just talk to you. god, so annoying. and its not just grocery stores either. really, whenever i see someone i know a mile away and i dont feel like i want to talk to them, i just pray to the gods of random conversations, "please dont let them see me, please dont let them see me. please dont le..."
Enheduanna	posted 3-Mar-2003 10:38am   Many of these, but the thing I hate the most is inept baggers who don't understand the concept of "as few bags as possible, please," and who can't make everything fit in my granny-cart. I end up repacking everything myself. A good bagger who gets everything in the cart with room to spare (always possible with the quantity of food I buy) puts a big smile on my face!
CarolL	posted 3-Mar-2003 11:05am   I like grocery shopping. There are some things that bother me from the above list, the most outstanding being when something I wanted to buy is sold out. That steams me because it is usually something hard to carry like the 18K bag of dog food or the really heavy box of kitty litter that I need because I have left it too long and am completely out.
starrpickle	posted 3-Mar-2003 11:19am   i hate the fact that the second i enter the store i forget everything i came into the store for and even with a list i get disoriented i have heard that the set up of a grocery store is designed to do just that i hate it i try to get in and out as quickly as possible
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 3-Mar-2003 12:16pm   We have a saying that no one parks in an handicapped spot who isn't handicapped. It just might not be a physical handicap.
darkshadowsseeker	posted 3-Mar-2003 1:26pm   The store going through remodelling so the items you are looking for have moved since the last time you were there a week ago. For example, I went to Winco last week to get a bottle of cooking oil and the entire aisle had been moved to the other side of the store and almost completely to the back of the store. Yet the signs that hang above the aisles had not been changed so I had to find a clerk and ask them where they had moved the cooking oil. Also, the prices on the shelves are not being moved when they move the items. They need to get a bit more coordinated! I checked off most of the items on the list as well.
darkshadowsseeker	(reply to Cleo) posted 3-Mar-2003 1:29pm   Muzak is that rather bland, boring music you hear over many supermarket PA systems. You also hear it when you are on hold, when on some elevators, etc. Kind of like dentist office music.
Cleo	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 4-Mar-2003 2:15am   Yeah BUT do they have a handicap placard to park there?? Some don't have a sticker or placard to park there in the first place making it difficult for others to park there that have a legit reason do so. Just curious...where do you live?? In California,people with Jags & SUVs parkt here anyway. sad really Just plain inconsiderate!
Cleo	(reply to darkshadowsseeker) posted 4-Mar-2003 2:23am   What ???? No oldies or rock & roll??? That's just plain mean...
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 2:38am   I know what you mean, I am just saying that if you park in an handicap spot and you are not physically handicapped, then you must have a mental handicap.
Cleo	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 4-Mar-2003 3:01am   Where do you live?? I live in Murrieta California. How 'bout you? & how long have you been at SC now? Iv'e been at SC for 3 years now PS aren't you up late?? What time is it for you? It's 12:00 am in Cali for me
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 3:11am   SC...I was wondering how you knew what state I lived in then I realized you meant Survey Central. Maybe I should put that on the Surreal Survey...anyway, I haven't been here but a couple of weeks. It is 3am and my boys woke me up. I don't sleep well when awakened in the middle of the night.
Cleo	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 4-Mar-2003 3:53am   I don't know what state you live in cause, you never mentioned.You must live on the east coat then. Am I right?? My teenage daughter won't be up for at least another 7 1/2 hours. I haven't seen you around SC before.Your new huh? How long? Everyone here calls me Cleo. Aloha!!! Nice to meet you.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 4:20am   SC ...South Carolina...LOL I have 2 teenage daughters, not fun some times. Only been here a couple of weeks.
Cleo	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 4-Mar-2003 6:32am   Ohhh! Girls are a lot easier thatn raising boys! How do you like it here so far?
ASexyBabe	posted 4-Mar-2003 9:50am   I love the new You-scan checkouts. You scan and bag for yourself. Many people don't use these so I get out quick.
anonymous	posted 4-Mar-2003 10:48am   It's something else entirely, but I sure hate it. I go into the store, and I'm psyched to get food for my household. I start pushing my cart through the produce aisle picking out what looks good... but after a few minutes, I start getting over-whelmed. I mean the "local" grocery store is probably several square acres, with rows and row of products, each over 6 feet high on both sides, densely packed with brightly colored packaging. There are words, colors, "new," "Improved," "Try This," "BUY ME," "YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BUY THIS OR ELSE YOUR LIFE WILL BE A DISMAL SHADOW OF WHAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN," bright colors, sounds, hundreds of type-fonts, little coupon displays that stick out from the shelf WITH RED FLASHING LIGHTS FOR GOD'S SAKE ISN'T THERE ENOUGH GOING ON ALREADY?!?! I start grinding my teeth a couple aisles in, and by half-way through the store- by now a good half mile of up and down the rows, I have a tension headache starting to spread down my shoulders. I want to be a careful and considerate consumer- I try to read the labels and make sure I'm getting the most nutritious and least harmful food without paying completely through the nose, but soon I'm just rabidly grabbing the boxes with the brands I'm already familiar with, perfectly aware that they might be robbing me blind at this point, but I don't care I have to get out of there!!! I have a large household and leave the store with a cart over-brimming, and my mind completely wiped blank by so much concentrated marketing and brand identity exposure, that I just want to go sit in a cave.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 11:37am   Well, I enjoy some of it. I'm not overly crazy about the anti-God and anti-conservative thoughts, but I do like reading some of the comments. I would actually like to understand how others think when it comes to some of these areas. We don't have to agree, but it helps to understand others.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 11:40am   And oh don't tell me that about girls and boys! My 4 girls came first and I have 3 boys to worry about yet!
Biggles	posted 4-Mar-2003 12:51pm   Today I was in a very busy supermarket with only a few tills open so really long queues. The queue I was in got held up for at least 5 minutes and as I was wondering if the till had broken or something, I realised it was just that the woman at the front had decided she wasn't going to queue separately for a pack of jerks so had sent an assistant to get her some. I was pretty annoyed by that.
darkshadowsseeker	(reply to Cleo) posted 4-Mar-2003 1:04pm   Yes, yes it is!
bond_girl	posted 6-Mar-2003 4:45am   Having to go in the first place!
southernyankee	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 6-Mar-2003 3:21pm   damn! thats like 7 kids!!
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 6-Mar-2003 5:15pm   Yep, that is what it is. You get an A+ in math class today.
southernyankee	posted 6-Mar-2003 7:52pm   seriously though, that is a lot of kids. i am guessing you're all insane by now. well, i guess so much for keeping the population down. maybe we should all pitch in and send you a card, congrats, you've just added another person into this already overcrowded and overpopulated urban jungle wasteland excuse for a living space. eeeehhhhwwww (blows the paper blower). oh, speaking of all that, what was all that anti-anti-god, and anti-anti-conservative speach thing? what was all that about??? i was just scanning your previous responses and spoted something like that.
Glassa	posted 6-Mar-2003 8:42pm   Screaming kids and missing prices. Admitting that I don't have kids, I really don't want to hear a kid yelling at their parent in public. If I had done that, my mom or dad would've slapped my face, and deservedly so. If I find something I want and they dont' have a price on it, then I won't buy it. As far as I'm concerned, if they want to sell the item, then they need to let us know how much it is. One thing that wasn't listed is this: Another store nearby closed recently, so now the one closest to us is so much more busy. You have to go at 7am if you don't want to shop in a crowded store. It's even pretty busy at 9pm.
Glassa	(reply to Cleo) posted 6-Mar-2003 9:04pm   Ok, explain something. Why is it that one of the most liberal states in our country has no problem using handicapped spots when they don't need them? H-ck, I felt guilty parking in a handicapped spot when I was picking up a friend who was handicapped because I didn't have the permit. But I knew he probably didn't need to be walking that far physically. I sat there for several minutes debating it though. I just couldn't imagine doing that though. Someone could really need it. I think it borders on cruelty, don't you agree?
underground4206	posted 6-Mar-2003 11:37pm   i also hate full parking lots fudging hate em errrrrrrr
pop1982	posted 7-Mar-2003 4:04pm   Why do people still write checks. Someone is a little slow with the time. No one writes checks anymore someone needs to let the few that do to change. I also hate when people ask if you take debit cards when it has a stinkin mastercard or visa symbol. These people are the dumbest ever. How can you not know that if the symbol is on there it means it can be used as a credit card.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 7-Mar-2003 4:40pm   Well, I am not insane, though sometimes I think I will go there. I'm sorry that you think having children is such a waste of resources. I was saying about the Anti-god stuff and all was that I enjoy the site, but I would enjoy it more if there weren't so many things said against God and against our government. I thoroughly respect others choices and beliefs, but I would still enjoy it more I didn't read so many negative comments against some of those things.
Irene007	posted 7-Mar-2003 5:41pm   Sounds like someone needs a companion to do this annoying but necessary chore...
Irene007	(reply to kaleb777) posted 7-Mar-2003 5:43pm   I tried again and it was returned again... Clean out your mailbox! Boy you really need a mate to do your groceries and clean out your mailbox!
kaleb777	(reply to Irene007) posted 7-Mar-2003 10:26pm   It's full of fudging spam again! I'm ready to forget that email address. I suspect it was freemail who sold my email adress to spammers in the first place.
kaleb777	(reply to Cleo) posted 7-Mar-2003 11:21pm   Muzak is that crappy elevator version type instrumental music of familiar popular songs.
Irene007	(reply to kaleb777) posted 8-Mar-2003 12:23am   Try Hotmail.com, you have an option to prevent spaming... I don't know how much space you have for free but for $25 US a year, you get 10 megs of space - I got it (I'm too lazy to clean out my mailbox too! Write me when you're ready!
dora	posted 8-Mar-2003 6:51pm   I HATE supermarkets,actually is ALMOST (I said ALMOST!) a phobia,but not for the reasons listed.I hate them because they are all big but not real open spaces and they are all white and impersonal and...they look like hell.My idea of hell...big white room.:/ I guess maybe I'm a bit agoraphobic...but I don't have problems with open spaces on the outside.Only with big rooms with white walls. I like carts...they make me forget about the bad thing in supermarkets...
kaleb777	(reply to Irene007) posted 9-Mar-2003 10:11am   The thing about hotmail is that the only addresses left are ones like sjkfhsd7345knsdf78@hotmail.com
dorktacular	posted 9-Mar-2003 3:34pm   i work at a supermarket, and i could tell you even more things than those that i hate about it!
Enheduanna	posted 10-Mar-2003 6:00pm   Most of the time, it is! Although I don't mind doing the bagging myself, either.
Irene007	(reply to kaleb777) posted 10-Mar-2003 6:56pm   I got Chateau Shack; it was a long shot but I got it! irene007 was already taken... Try unpopular words like this one I came across last week while reading; "Nefandous". I looked it up in all of my dictionaries as well as Merriam Webster on-line and could not find it. After searching on the net, I found words for writers. The meaning is; nefandous adj. Unspeakable, unutterable. (If this is a word for writers, does this mean that it is nefandous?)
southernyankee	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 11-Mar-2003 8:48pm   oh, i figured that your kids have driven you insane by now. hell, i'd go insane. no, i am not one of those overpopulation this, overpopulation that types, its just a minor concern to me, sort of like minor conflicts around the world are. its no big deal to freak out over or dog to people about, but its not something that i am too crazy about either. as for the anti god stuff, do we really have anti-god stuff here? no seriosly, do we? i havent noticed. anyway, i am sort of one of those. well, no not really. well, i am a NON- god person, not very ANTI though. as far as anti government stuff, yes there is a bit of anarchist setiment here, but i sort of caught that too over the years. iam one of those types that thinks that we've become too reliant on government here. oh wait, againts our government, OIC. well, there are a lot of people here who are not from the US, so what you expect. i mean our government isnt exactly the best and nicest most caring about people institution out there. but hey, its also my govermnet too, so i'll guess i'll deal with it. i did notice that this suvery is very anti war though. and it appears that the people who are for it are a bit shy about thier option because of others. but hey, i live on a college campus (as you have asked that in the previous comment) so i am used to it, and accept it as normal. well, as far as iraq is concerned, i have mixed feelings on that. i mean, sadam is a real butt-hole and i really wish he'd be gone, weapons or not, but iraq seems like a weird funny place. if we get do successfully get rid of him and all of his ppl, there's a good chance that finally, at least, some good iraqies will take over and finally after all those years, peace will finally come. on the other hand, what if some radical religious group led by some insane anti west anti america bin laden type takes control. in a way, sadam is a threat to democracy by keeping a lot of people out of power by opression, but its that same opprression that's also tough on and wont let them speak towards more radical regines. in a way, he is an evil stablizing force that keeps good people repressed as well as other more insane evil forces supressed. so there is a chance that someone just as bad or even worst takes his place. as far as the god stuff, like ive said, i am a very very very secular person. i live on earth, not on some spritual high fantasy. i guess i consider myself an agnostic. but hey, thats just me. as far as i am concerned, if 99% of the population wants to dilute themselves with religion, that's their bussiness. me, i dont just dont feel like searching for the almight right now, espially considering that we may or may not exist in the first place.
tegan	posted 11-Mar-2003 11:38pm   i think somthing should b done bout all dis crap!
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 12-Mar-2003 2:15am   We may or may not exist. Well, a few have said things that were anti-God but in that sense, no, it hasn't been very bad. I am a Christian, so I am use to hearing things like that anyway. I think I am thinking more along the lines that there are so many things that are against what I believe. So, I would probably be more comfortable in an environment that at least professed to be Christian. You get a lot of people in those though that think they know everything and don't have a clue what charity is. Sometimes I get a little fed up with that. As far as the government goes, I expect there to be a difference of opinion on things. I don't expect those from other countries to necessarily support our government, but I wish our own people wouldn't act like because our President is Republican, he is stupid. It is a shame that in order to try and make him look bad people resort to name calling and stereotyping. I'm sure he has problems but that gets ridiculous. He was elected, so we need to trust him to do his job. Just like we had to do with our previous president. If he does do something he shouldn't, hopefully we will find out. There are enough people watching him, I think it would come out. The Saddam thing, I agree, there is no telling what will come if he is removed. Well, I certainly don't think I live anymore in a fantasy world than anyone else. I think that is a delusion those who aren't main stream religious believe about those who are. And well, vice a versa. I certainly don't think I have diluted myself, on the contrary, it is more like I am more concentrated on the things that are important. I'm not diluted with as many cares of this world that really aren't important anyway. I'm not sure you actually meant to use the word diluted, but I kind of think it is a good word to use here. The word deluded would be a bit insulting.
Yarbroughhunter	posted 12-Mar-2003 2:35am   breathe in, breathe out.. OK I don't like when people block aisles with their buggies even when they know you can't get by! I have blocked aisles myself, but when I realise it, I move and apologize if need be. I don't see the only open spot to get down the aisle and park my buggy right there in the space (with people right behind me still trying to get down the aisle)and then act like I don't notice how backed up the aisles are. So, does that sound like venting? I'm not sure. It doesn't sound peaceful to me.
southernyankee	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 12-Mar-2003 5:45pm   i think that you're perception of anti-god may be off. i know that 'my' church continouisly doges about how 'we' are being persecuted. ah, whatever. dosnet anyone realize that christians own this country, and are in a majority, so how can they possibly be persecuted. their perception seems to be, now that other thought are erupting, they feel that their right to have a higher entity think for others as well as them has been violated. they belive that being pitted agaigs everyone else at their level is somehow consider being persecuted. whatever, i dont wanna hear that bullcrap. as far as being deluted, i think that everyone is diluted in one way or another, and to a differing degree. and i strive to find my delutions and free myself of them. but i do realize that i too, will never be 100% delustion free. i just learn to live with that. anyway, i have came to a personal conclution that organized religion is just another entity of delustion. anway, i hae discovered for myself that 'my fellow' christians dont go to church to have a closer connection with god, they go to church to have a closer connection to other christians. i mean, face it, this is how a lot of people meet, this is where they meet, congregate, and some even use it as a primary means of socializing. anyway, if and since all religion are supposedly equal and on the same level, then why do so many people not convert. why dont christians become mulims and why dont muslims become christians. for the simple reason that they were brought up a certain way, and this is what they are. hell, even people who dont beleive or claim anything, they are still identified by others by what their parents are. for instance, you are walking past someone. they say who is that. oh, thats so and so, he's a christian, he comes from a chritan family. ah, ok. see, no one even asked him what he is. appently you are the religion your parents are until 'proven' otherwise. you dont become a christian by explicitly stating that you are, you simply unbecome one if you explicity say you arent (and even that isnt enough) but only after you because a christian at birth. so there, religion isnt your belief system, its a trait your born with, such as blue eyes, or dark hair, or better yet, a last name, excect with a larger level of broadness. as far as bush goes, he's just a plain butt-hole. and anyone who makes fun of him, critizes him, good, more power to them, they're within their rights. i dont want to hear all that nonsense how these people should move to france. i am not of those people, but hey, do they really bother anyone. as far as backing him, how the fudge doesn't. i mean unless you are cheating on your taxes, you ARE supporting this country with your wallet, even if you dont do it with your mouth. and as we are all tax payers, we should all be able to protest, if we wish, that our money goes to waste on say, this war. but weather or not you can do anything about that, thats a diffrnt stoyr. i mean, what aout people who pay from planed parent hood and dont like it, or welfare or not. but not saying gore or clinton aren't butt-holes either. over the last eight yrs, they didt do crap for this country, and they fudgeed everything up. now bush is trying to fix their mess, while fudging this country even more, but in different ways. as far as the elections, i would have liked nader out of all of them. but that would be a waste of a vote. thus, if i have voted, it would be for bush, i'd take him over gore. i just cant stand him and clinton. they are the opitimay of american politics. well, thats about all i have to say, for my rant is starting to get large.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 13-Mar-2003 2:02am   I'm gonna answer these one by one because I might get confused if I don't. Well, if it were just others asserting their beliefs, I could agree, but often it is others trying to suppress our beliefs. Or outright trying to offend us. For instance, prayer in school…even changing it to a quiet time so those who want to pray can and those who don’t want to don’t have to doesn’t please those who don’t want Christian influences anywhere…what harm could there be in a child quietly praying in his heart to God? And there can be no good reason to make art with human feces and/or urine and biblical characters. Not for public display. If you hate God that much, make it and keep it in your home and show your friends, but to display it openly in places to offend others is uncalled for. How much outrage would there be by making some type of art form portraying Mohammed eating pork chops…I can just imagine. That would be insensitive and uncalled for. If there is something like this somewhere, I am not aware of it. I will answer the rest later, someone needs to use the computer, besides me....
MssAmericat	posted 13-Mar-2003 4:40am   I can get upset about a lot of things on this list but as Bridget Fonda followed Anne Bancroft's advise in 'Point of no Return', so do I..."I never did mind about the little things"...I try and remember that I may unintentionally do some of these things myself.
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 13-Mar-2003 5:34am   I agree that there is a lot of delusion in our lives. As if there weren’t enough people out there to try and mislead us, we go and deceive ourselves. We will know something is wrong but we will tell ourselves it is ok because we aren’t like this person or we don’t do stuff like this all the time. We rarely look at ourselves clearly without some type of delusion. Even looking in a mirror. Boy, don’t we look good… I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, a great deal of Christians go to church for a social event, to be seen and to see. A real Christian does go for fellowship, but his main goal should be to learn more about Christ and worship him. You can read and the Lord will show you things, but sometimes we need someone to guide us along and help us over those preconceptions that keep us from understanding what God wants us to know from his word. The Bible (in Acts chapter 8) records where God sent Philip to the desert to tell someone about Jesus Christ. When Philip found him, the man was reading in the book of Isaiah, so Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading and the man said “How can I, except some man should guide me?“ Very true words, for Philip explained what the verses meant showing him who Jesus was and that he died for our sins. With that, the man wanted to be baptized because he believed that Jesus was the Son of God. Had Philip not explained what was meant in those verses, the man would not have known to believe in Christ. That being the case, I also believe that many preachers don’t preach the truth and lead congregations to follow them instead of Christ, or allow so much junk in the church that you can’t find the truth anymore. Religions aren’t all the same, regardless of what the common belief is. It isn’t one god worshipped in different ways. A just God couldn’t make himself known in contradicting ways. How could you believe God would be pleased and wants to be worshipped by burning candles, writing prayers on pieces of paper and offering food at one place but that you have to repent of your sins and be spiritually washed in his blood in another. The same god can’t be OK with giving young girls to be sex slaves at one place, but tells another group that sex outside of your marriage is sin. If that were the case, I wouldn’t want anything to do with such a god. Christians do convert to Islam and Muslims do convert to Christianity. Less so where they could lose life or property, but some still do. That is what missionaries do, share the truth of Jesus Christ to a world that doesn’t know or understand him. And Yes! We do go by whatever religion our families are. America is a Christian nation because our ancestors were Christians and enough of us haven’t converted to something else yet. Many Christians don’t know what the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith is, much less really know who Jesus is. There is a difference in being a Christian as it is used today and knowing who Christ is. America isn’t a Christian nation because she knows God, she is a Christian nation because she was born that way. Wow this one went long too...
pandora	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 13-Mar-2003 8:06am   America is not a Christian nation.
southernyankee	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 13-Mar-2003 5:54pm   ah yes, you say that some chritians and muslims do convert from one to the other. yeah, there are always those. but they are the minority. i am talking about the masses. most people dont. as far as pissing people off, people will always get offended over dumb crap. and some people, knowing that, expliot this fact and do things on purpose where they have absolutly nothing to gain, except for the satifaction of pissing people off. as far as the quite time. i liked the idea. while some people are praying, or arent being silent in the first place but instead talking w/ thier neighbors, i just daydream about various things like that girl sitting in front of me. or better yet, i use it as the opportnity to finish up unfinished homework that i should have done last night. one, the whole prayer thing, wow, i totally forgot about that. specially ever since i went off to college. looking back though, high school really is a very weird place. it is the a semi-complete waste of time, a waste of our youth. i would even go as far as saying, high school is the opidamy of american culture. no, i dont think i've even said that all religions worship the same god but in a differnt way. hell, not all religions even believe in god. i just said that all religions dilute themselves, or at least their people into a doctrine. its not religion i have a problem with, its organized religion. people just dont have minds of thier own. they're like sheep. they just consume whatever information they are spoonfeed. in that sense, religion is no different than tv, it just needs an audience. as for me, i just pick and choose what i want to believe, but at all times am aware that any and all of my beliefs might be flawed, and i do modify what belief 'system' once in a while as new 'evidence' or reasoned out conclusion comes out. think of it as chanel surfing, and think of the non-sense you learn as commercials where you take a bathroom break. btw: is there really a religion that is ok with giving young girls away? probably some non-western one.
Yarbroughhunter	posted 14-Mar-2003 5:41pm   Glitterbits333, the gist of our conversation is that America calls herself a christian nation because of what religion they are in or were born in. America at the heart is not Christian. If you ask most people in America, they will tell you that they are christians. A deeper questioning will reveal that most do not know who Jesus is, much less anything of whatever their denomination believes. If asked, they think that they will go to heaven because they haven't done anything to bad (no matter what they have done). A christian knows he is going to heaven because his sins are forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ.
pandora	posted 14-Mar-2003 8:06pm   From Judith Hayes' "The Happy Heretic" The Treaty with Tripoli resolved many issues involving maritime trade and piracy, but of the twelve articles contained in it, one is quite fascinating. Article 11 reads, "As the government of the United States of America is not founded in any sense on the Christian religion-as itself has not character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims]-and as the said states have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. The treaty itself is less important than the thunderous silence it met with in the US Senate when it was read aloud on the Senate floor, and when printed copies were provided for the senators. There is no record of any discussion or debate about the treaty by the senate, and it was passed unanimously. There was not a word of protest. Any senator who truly believed that the United States was founded as, and intended to remain, a Christian country, would have exploded with outrage at the wrongdoing, "...the United states of America is not founded in any sense on the Christian religion..." BUT, there were no explosions, no outrage, no debate, no nothing. It passed unanimously without a word of dissent. And that fact alone speaks volumes. We never were, we were never intended to be, and hopefully never will be, a "Christian nation" .
Yarbroughhunter	posted 15-Mar-2003 4:59am   Your article has a faulty conclusion. If no one said anything at that time it does not prove the true intent of the founders of our nation and government, nor does it prove what anyone truly thought or believed on the floor. History proves that our nation was indeed founded on christian principals regardless of whatever reasons no one objected.
Yarbroughhunter	posted 15-Mar-2003 5:56am   excerpts from Treaty of Tripoli by David Barton http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=5 That treaty, one of several with Tripoli, was negotiated during the "Barbary Powers Conflict," which began shortly after the Revolutionary War and continued through the Presidencies of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison. The Muslim Barbary Powers (Tunis, Morocco, Algiers, Tripoli, and Turkey) were warring against what they claimed to be the "Christian" nations (England, France, Spain, Denmark, and the United States). In 1801, Tripoli even declared war against the United States, thus constituting America’s first official war as an established independent nation. Throughout this long conflict, the five Barbary Powers regularly attacked undefended American merchant ships. Not only were their cargoes easy prey but the Barbary Powers were also capturing and enslaving "Christian" seamen in retaliation for what had been done to them by the "Christians" of previous centuries (e.g., the Crusades and Ferdinand and Isabella’s expulsion of Muslims from Granada). In an attempt to secure a release of captured seamen and a guarantee of unmolested shipping in the Mediterranean, President Washington dispatched envoys to negotiate treaties with the Barbary nations....The American envoys negotiated numerous treaties of "Peace and Amity" with the Muslim Barbary nations to ensure "protection" of American commercial ships sailing in the Mediterranean. However, the terms of the treaty frequently were unfavorable to America, either requiring her to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of "tribute" (i.e., official extortion) to each country to receive a "guarantee" of safety or to offer other "considerations"... The 1797 treaty with Tripoli was one of the many treaties in which each country officially recognized the religion of the other in an attempt to prevent further escalation of a "Holy War" between Christians and Muslims. Consequently, Article XI of that treaty stated: As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. This article may be read in two manners. It may, as its critics do, be concluded after the clause "Christian religion"; or it may be read in its entirety and concluded when the punctuation so indicates. But even if shortened and cut abruptly ("the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion"), this is not an untrue statement since it is referring to the federal government. Recall that while the Founders themselves openly described America as a Christian nation (demonstrated in chapter 2 of Original Intent), they did include a constitutional prohibition against a federal establishment; religion was a matter left solely to the individual States. Therefore, if the article is read as a declaration that the federal government of the United States was not in any sense founded on the Christian religion, such a statement is not a repudiation of the fact that America was considered a Christian nation. Reading the clause of the treaty in its entirety also fails to weaken this fact. Article XI simply distinguished America from those historical strains of European Christianity which held an inherent hatred of Muslims; it simply assured the Muslims that the United States was not a Christian nation like those of previous centuries (with whose practices the Muslims were very familiar) and thus would not undertake a religious holy war against them. This latter reading is, in fact, supported by the attitude prevalent among numerous American leaders. The Christianity practiced in America was described by John Jay as "enlightened," by John Quincy Adams as "civilized," and by John Adams as "rational." A clear distinction was drawn between American Christianity and that of Europe in earlier centuries. As Noah Webster explained: The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it. Furthermore, it was Adams who declared: The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. Adams’own words confirm that he rejected any notion that America was less than a Christian nation. And when General Eaton finally commenced his military action against Tripoli, his personal journal noted: April 8th. We find it almost impossible to inspire these wild bigots with confidence in us or to persuade them that, being Christians, we can be otherwise than enemies to Musselmen. We have a difficult undertaking! May 23rd. Hassien Bey, the commander in chief of the enemy’s forces, has offered by private insinuation for my head six thousand dollars and double the sum for me a prisoner; and $30 per head for Christians. Why don’t he come and take it? Shortly after the military excursion against Tripoli was successfully terminated, its account was written and published. Even the title of the book bears witness to the nature of the conflict: The Life of the Late Gen. William Eaton . . . commander of the Christian and Other Forces . . . which Led to the Treaty of Peace Between The United States and The Regency of Tripoli The numerous documents surrounding the Barbary Powers Conflict confirm that historically it was always viewed as a conflict between Christian America and Muslim nations. Those documents completely disprove the notion that any founding President, especially Washington, ever declared that America was not a Christian nation or people. (Chapter 16 of Original Intent will provide numerous additional current examples of historical revisionism.)
ASexyBabesToy	(reply to ASexyBabe) posted 15-Mar-2003 9:16am   I love you!!!!!
pandora	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 15-Mar-2003 12:29pm   Review this bit once more: "As the government of the United States of America is not founded in any sense on the Christian religion"
YoUrLiLRoLLER	posted 15-Mar-2003 1:27pm   I HATE SUPERMARKETS
Yarbroughhunter	(reply to southernyankee) posted 16-Mar-2003 2:39am   In masses most people don’t convert from or to any religion unless forced to. Even then, it isn’t a heart conversion, but one of necessity. Your experience with what you called a quiet time is exactly what I mean. No one was forced to pray a prayer in the name of Jesus or face Mecca and pray or chant some mantra. I think that only those serious in their faith would take advantage of it for any spiritual reason, the rest would feel to much peer pressure to even if no one cared. Oh, well, the “all religions worship the same god” belief is something I believed before I was saved. I still hear it quite often and I think I have read it in one of these surveys in the last couple of days. very interesting comparison of the effects of religion and TV. I pretty much agree with most of it. I would only add that the more organized a religion is the less I think it fulfills its original purpose and that on the other hand, a true relationship with God is more important than any religious denomination. Btw: many cultures do allow for giving away children, especially girls and that is usually what happens to the girls. Religion and culture being so wrapped up together shows that even if on the surface the religion doesn’t approve of it, it still allows for it by overlooking it. I remember an article on this that I think was in National Geographic, but I haven’t found it online yet. Here is one I found on it from another site. http://www.historyswomen.com/amy.html
Yarbroughhunter	posted 16-Mar-2003 2:53am   As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. You must not have read the article. It says that the GOVERNMENT was not founded on any christian religion. That doesn't mean that the nation was not christian. The Federal government was formed in such a way as to prevent "state religions" (a national religion) that controlled the people and took away their individual rights. That is why the Constitution of the US says in Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. This didn't mean that we weren't a Christian nation, only that our government didn't run our religious beliefs. The evidence is still there that our nation was and is still considered a christian nation.
pandora	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 16-Mar-2003 11:44am   I did read the article, in fact, so please try to avoid insulting me by stating otherwise. I don't see how you can contend that America is a Christian nation, when it was never formed to be that way. A majority of the population may mark down on a census that they belong to the Christian religion, but that does not translate to America being a Christian nation. Not at all. From the Freedom From Religion Foundation: Is America a Christian Nation? The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust" (Art. VI), and "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment). The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase "so help me God" or any requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec. 1, Clause 8). If we are a Christian nation, why doesn't our Constitution say so? In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams. The First Amendment To The U.S. Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." What about the Declaration of Independence? We are not governed by the Declaration. Its purpose was to "dissolve the political bands," not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based on the idea that "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. It deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, and so on, never discussing religion at all. The references to "Nature's God," "Creator," and "Divine Providence" in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Thomas Jefferson, its author, was a Deist, opposed to orthodox Christianity and the supernatural. What about the Pilgrims and Puritans? The first colony of English-speaking Europeans was Jamestown, settled in 1609 for trade, not religious freedom. Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than a century and a half later. If tradition requires us to return to the views of a few early settlers, why not adopt the polytheistic and natural beliefs of the Native Americans, the true founders of the continent at least 12,000 years earlier? Most of the religious colonial governments excluded and persecuted those of the "wrong" faith. The framers of our Constitution in 1787 wanted no part of religious intolerance and bloodshed, wisely establishing the first government in history to separate church and state. Do the words "separation of church and state" appear in the Constitution? The phrase, "a wall of separation between church and state," was coined by President Thomas Jefferson in a carefully crafted letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, when they had asked him to explain the First Amendment. The Supreme Court, and lower courts, have used Jefferson's phrase repeatedly in major decisions upholding neutrality in matters of religion. The exact words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the Constitution; neither do "separation of powers," "interstate commerce," "right to privacy," and other phrases describing well-established constitutional principles. What does "separation of church and state" mean? Thomas Jefferson, explaining the phrase to the Danbury Baptists, said, "the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions." Personal religious views are just that: personal. Our government has no right to promulgate religion or to interfere with private beliefs. The Supreme Court has forged a three-part "Lemon test" (Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971) to determine if a law is permissible under the First-Amendment religion clauses. A law must have a secular purpose. It must have a primary effect which neither advances nor inhibits religion. It must avoid excessive entanglement of church and state. The separation of church and state is a wonderful American principle supported not only by minorities, such as Jews, Moslems, and unbelievers, but applauded by most Protestant churches that recognize that it has allowed religion to flourish in this nation. It keeps the majority from pressuring the minority. What about majority rule? America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have majority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority on matters such as race, gender, or religion. Not only is it unAmerican for the government to promote religion, it is rude. Whenever a public official uses the office to advance religion, someone is offended. The wisest policy is one of neutrality. Isn't removing religion from public places hostile to religion? No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers. Some countries, such as the U.S.S.R., expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran ("one nation under God"), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course--neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone. The First Amendment deals with "Congress." Can't states make their own religious policies? Under the "due process" clause of the 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868), the entire Bill of Rights applies to the states. No governor, mayor, sheriff, public school employee, or other public official may violate the human rights embodied in the Constitution. The government at all levels must respect the separation of church and state. Most state constitutions, in fact, contain language that is even stricter than the First Amendment, prohibiting the state from setting up a ministry, using tax dollars to promote religion, or interfering with freedom of conscience. What about "One nation under God" and "In God We Trust?" The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy. Isn't American law based on the Ten Commandments? Not at all! The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only three (homicide, theft, and perjury) are relevant to current American law, and have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse! The Supreme Court has ruled that posting the Ten Commandments in public schools is unconstitutional. Our secular laws, based on the human principle of "justice for all," provide protection against crimes, and our civil government enforces them through a secular criminal justice system. Why be concerned about the separation of church and state? Ignoring history, law, and fairness, many fanatics are working vigorously to turn America into a Christian nation. Fundamentalist Protestants and right-wing Catholics would impose their narrow morality on the rest of us, resisting women's rights, freedom for religious minorities and unbelievers, gay and lesbian rights, and civil rights for all. History shows us that only harm comes of uniting church and state. America has never been a Christian nation. We are a free nation. Anne Gaylor, president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, points out: "There can be no religious freedom without the freedom to dissent."
MssAmericat	posted 17-Mar-2003 12:52am   and yarbrough: Let's see you both are much better at explaining and understanding the constitutions so excuse me my words will just be as in laymans terms America was established by christian men and women and knowing what it was like not being able to practice there religion (being christianity) this is why we can say America is and isn't a christian nation. They made the government set up in a way that all ppl who came to live here are free to practice there own faith because they follow God's way (the christian God) of free will and so no one would be oppressed again. 'America' being founded by christians was set up by following God's Ten Commandments and the rest of the bible. But IMO I don't think they had any idea how ppl would pervert their beliefs and how far America would become a country far from God. For now Christianity is being pushed to not be allowed to be practiced. Prayer was in schools from when America was set up...now it has been thrown out and because of not all faiths being the same that's fine but why has it all together become illeagal?..other religions can shout their beliefs but we can't hmmmm the list goes on...and it's not just the christian faith either not being allowed to practice their faith, there's Jewish Synagogues being blown up etc.
southernyankee	(reply to Yarbroughhunter) posted 17-Mar-2003 7:45pm   yeah, that's high school for ya. i am not exctly the biggest fan of "quiet time" either, but not for reasons of offensiveness. it seems more like a waste of time really. hell, homeroom is a waste of period. why in the hell do we even have to have it. thats one of the great things about college, less bullcrap like this. man, in high school people just dont have freedom. first it was you have to pray, and now it is you cant pray. man, college, you could just do pretty much whatever the fudge you want unless it doesnt bother anyone esle, and even then, they usually just leave you alone. the only restriction would be if you wanted to bring in a poster of dead fetus and telling people that they will go to hell. well, ok, collage campuses do have some free speech issues, but not as bad as high schoo. it seems that the older and closer you get to the 'real' world, the less people care about dumb crap like that. i guess over time, people learn to get a life. another funny thing about this. for some strange reason, high school makes you wake up real early so that you can make it to your 8 am classes. this is so that you learn resonsibility and be able to get to work on time. i say Bullll- ssshhiitttt!!!! in college, you get to make your own schedule and make it to where you get to sleep till noon. but then you get a job and get back to waking up early. i still dont see the whole point of making high school kids get up so gosh darn early! as far as many what many cultures do, thats a very touchy and interesting subject. on one hand, you are not supposed to be egocultral, not judge lest be judeged and most importantly, not interfere and mind your own business because after all, "we dont own the world" but on the other hand a common saying went about "the only way for evil men to triump is for good men to do nothing." and in a way, what if the easterners felt that we are deprived of our true selves by being scientific and not following and believing that everything happens cause of spirtits. we would probably just ignore them, but then what if they tried to force us. would it less wrong of us forcing them than them forcing us. then again, take a look at what they are doing (assuming that it really is wrong, as i think it is). oh, that tv/religion comparison, well thanks, but it wasnt mine. i got it from some other source. damn, i cant remeber the link. btw: i havent quite grasped the concept of being saved. i know i've heard a lot of people use that term before, but i am not exactly sure i understand the theory behind it.
anonymous	posted 18-Mar-2003 7:06am   That was a long survey! I hate when a grocery store that you don't go to very often carries a product while the grocery store I frequent for some strange, unknown, reason can't get this very same product! Even though they buy the very same brand in different products. Very frustrating!!!!
carole6464	posted 18-Mar-2003 11:47am   Some how I do hit these situations at times but hardly ever but watch I will now. But though I am the shopper in the house for mom and myself and its hard getting there but I enjoy it.
Sking2890	posted 18-Mar-2003 6:52pm   having worked in the same grocery store witch(witch shall remain nameless) for over 30 years,i think the thing that bothers me the most is how checkers sometimes treat the customers, to many of them carry there problems with them to work and as a result it comes out on the customers,or they awlays gossip and talk about the customers when there not there,also when theres no price on an item it,s no accident they dont want u to know the price tell it,s already rang up and your less likeley to hassle with having to put it back(one of the grocery trades old tricks)
Cleo	(reply to kaleb777) posted 19-Mar-2003 10:55pm   Ohhhhhhh! Okay. Thanks kaleb.
Emma20	posted 20-Mar-2003 5:39pm   Shopping can so darn stressful!
lily333	posted 22-Mar-2003 5:42pm   I have worked in the same grocery store for 10 years. My biggest pet peave when I shop anywhere is cashiers who do not say hello and thank you.
arj	posted 23-Mar-2003 5:21am   Understaffed checkouts, ie. when there are 5 or 6 checkouts, and only 1 or 2 of them have operators, and there are forming huge queues behind them...