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| single | 10-Nov-2002 | law | anoddoblivion | unsorted | 53 | 9 | 56.3% |
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| Zang | posted 12-Nov-2002 2:40am |
| kaleb777 | posted 12-Nov-2002 2:58am Many of these aren't mutually exclusive. If this were multi pick I would have chosen Capitalism/Democracy/Mixed Economy with the mixed part being social welfare for health, education, defence and police, and social welfare benefits. Apart from those things the market should decide most things, with democracy being the biggest market test every 4 years. I also believe citizen initiated referenda should be available to citizens who should be able to vote on any legislation they choose, except that which takes away rights for one set of people based on race, sex, age or religion. |
| kaleb777 | (reply to Zang) posted 12-Nov-2002 3:15am You can't be serious can you? "behind every tyrant stands a Jew" - Karl Marx. Marx was misanthropic, and Marxist socialism is the legacy of a man who hated people. Even Hitler admitted to the Fabian Keynes that there was really no difference between communism and Nazism. The Communist Manifesto is nothing but a call for the violent confiscation of private property from it's owners. Because Maxism teaches Nihilism, there can be no good or bad, only decisions that extend the socialist cause. "Violence in itself is not evil: it depends on what its purpose is. In the hands of socialists it is a progressive force" - Soviet Secretary Boris Ponomarev. I just realised you *are* joking. No thinking person could believe Marxist Socialism is a good system. |
| dora | posted 12-Nov-2002 4:37am I replied anarchy which isn't a government.If you talk about ideal (utopia) democratic-aristocratic-anarchy,if you talk about what can be done in reality democracy. Also,some of them are economical views other exclusively political (you can be for for a communist or fascist republic...and many other combinations.) Anyway my utopia: Aristocratic in my utopia doesn't mean only noblemen can have respect or status,but that everybody has to feel like an aristocratic,because in this ideal society,everyone is worthy and the phrase you're useless or dangerous wouldn't be pronounced. About wealth distribution,seeing there's no state but just close-knit little communities that are free to exchange culturally and economically with each other,neither socialism or communism.But not even exploiting capitalism.If you you're too rich you have to move and start another community,because nobody has to control all the market.No assistence for poor from the state,because there's no state,but in this ideal everybody would be happy to help if you're in trouble.For decisions,that you have to take...90% would be exclusively individual-based (with the ONLY rule that you have to minimize the damage to others.),when it's a necessity to collective decision,such as the destiny of the community etc. then direct democratic voting.And of you disagree you can disagree,stay there and moan,or move (the necessary for travelling and setting elesewhere will be provided to you)as you like.So vote and all,but NEVER to elect a governement.There would be people doing "public" jobs like organizing "elections" etc. but that wouldn't guarantee them too much power.They're equal with everybody else. It's totally utopic,so I didn't think about criminals,tribunals,etc. If you want a REAL government then democracy with the less the state puts his nose on my business the better I live.But If I need and ask for help,then they have to give Democracy anyway. |
| dora | posted 12-Nov-2002 4:39am I didn't spell-check,so this rant is ranting |
| Biggles | posted 12-Nov-2002 7:06am Of these, I'd probably go for Republic. I don't think that full-blown democracies are actually workable on a national scale - I don't believe that there are any true democracies in the world. Switzerland (or do I mean Sweden) probably comes the closest. |
| Enheduanna | posted 12-Nov-2002 9:15am OK, some of these are not mutually exclusive, so why is it single choice? I'd say a democratic socialist government (with a capitalist economy) is best. I picked democracy because I think it's the most important single feature. |
| Cain | posted 12-Nov-2002 10:17am Dictatorship/Monarchy (i.e The monarchs should be the dictators) |
| starrpickle | posted 12-Nov-2002 10:34am Republic thats what we have in the United States of America |
| anoddoblivion | posted 12-Nov-2002 11:07am Over here in the USA we have a Democracy, and I like it just fine. |
| Biggles | (reply to anoddoblivion) posted 12-Nov-2002 11:10am Nope, you have a republic. |
| southernyankee | posted 12-Nov-2002 2:58pm i think the survey creator got type of government and its economy mixed up. allthough they can overlap sometimes. |
| dab | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 12-Nov-2002 3:39pm Can you explain what a socialist government with a capitalist economy is? |
| Enheduanna | (reply to dab) posted 12-Nov-2002 4:27pm OK, I guess "socialized" is better than "socialist"! Something along the lines of what (as I understand it) many European countries have. A capitalist economy with (high) income-taxes that allow the government to then offer free health-care, education, and various other social programs. I'm sure this says more about my ignorance of what socialism really means than anything else... |
| anoddoblivion | (reply to Biggles) posted 12-Nov-2002 4:52pm Oh, Republic. Whatever it is, I really like it. Works better for the people than any other. Go Republic! Describe a Democracy for me, please. |
| anoddoblivion | (reply to southernyankee) posted 12-Nov-2002 4:54pm In qual, I had like three types of Governments, and one wasn't even a Government, just a life style, I guess. The very first thing I did was ask for the types of Governments from people. I got this list, used it, and it passed. So it's not me who got it mixed up. |
| spidertea | posted 12-Nov-2002 4:58pm ? |
| Biggles | (reply to anoddoblivion) posted 12-Nov-2002 5:06pm I don't have an exact definition to hand, but it would involve far more decisions being made by the people than for the people. |
| harekrishnadasa | posted 12-Nov-2002 7:21pm A Hare Krishna government. |
| anoddoblivion | (reply to Biggles) posted 12-Nov-2002 11:39pm I remember now. Those don't work out too well. republic don't work too well, either, but much better than democracies, in my opinion. |
| dora | (reply to Biggles) posted 13-Nov-2002 12:39am Exactly.That's why you can have an anarchy-democracy,and a democratic republic or an aristocratic republic...which one do you want? I guess you want a democratic republic. |
| southernyankee | (reply to anoddoblivion) posted 13-Nov-2002 2:08am well, no matter how you look at it, at least i can say no one can point their finger towards me. i hardely even participate anwer my call to SC's jury duty (qual) but instead the wonderful and upstanding (no sacasm here as the saying goes "no good deed that one gets out off ever goes punished" i made this one up myself just now on the spot, and so it could habe been worded better. like i said, i had no control of how the peps at qual butcher perfectly good surveys into mediocre crap. here's what i woudld have done in your place (although its too late now). made it into two different surveys, ones as type of government and the other one as type of ecomony. but thats just me |
| dab | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 13-Nov-2002 9:46am No, I think 'socialist' is the right term for what you're describing. Perhaps not pure socialism in that the government doesn't technically own everything but with high taxes and detailed regulations the effect is largely the same. |
| Enheduanna | (reply to dab) posted 13-Nov-2002 11:08am OK--glad I wasn't off base! So the economy is still capitalist, although not purely so, I suppose--especially for areas where government involvement, like healthcare, is concerned. |
| dab | (reply to Enheduanna) posted 13-Nov-2002 11:24am I'd say the economy is not terribly capitalistic in the face of lots of regulations (the government is making the decisions rather than the people running the businesses and the people patronizing the businesses) or high taxes (no one has any capital to invest in businesses). Obviously there's a spectrum available, the more regulations, the higher the taxes, and the more areas that the government takes over entirely (health-care for instance), the more socialistic and the less capitalistic it is. On the other hand, the more those things grow the larger the black market will grow which will be much more capitalistic. |
| Strider | posted 13-Nov-2002 1:02pm a constitutional Monarchy |
| Enheduanna | (reply to dab) posted 13-Nov-2002 1:21pm I guess what I'm mostly interested in seeing is a capitalist economy where the wealth is redistributed enough to give everyone good healthcare and education. I firmly believe in a graduated income tax, and I'm not even sure how much higher taxes would have to be raised (and perhaps the defense budget cut!) in order for the US to start doing this. I don't think it would be that hard, monetarily speaking. Especially if big businesses didn't have all the tax loopholes they currently have. |
| darkshadowsseeker | posted 13-Nov-2002 1:24pm None of the above. |
| dora | (reply to darkshadowsseeker) posted 13-Nov-2002 1:26pm What instead? |
| darkshadowsseeker | (reply to dora) posted 13-Nov-2002 1:48pm Nothing at all. |
| dora | (reply to darkshadowsseeker) posted 13-Nov-2002 3:04pm That's anarchy,it isn't? |
| anonymous | posted 13-Nov-2002 8:04pm |
| cody | posted 13-Nov-2002 10:33pm Depends on who you are! Certainly not a democracy-- people are too fudging stupid, all they do is vote themselves money, and try to make it illegal to do things they don't like. Probably an oligarchy of some form. I think it was dora who mentioned that for practical purposes a Democracy works best. This is probably true... I don't know. Ideally one would have to be a freedom lover, a national, and reasonably intelligent to vote. Actually, I think what would be best would be a small oligarchy-republic (only reasonably wealthy people vote) in which there was a constitution which severely limited the power and size of the government. |
| Galomorro | posted 13-Nov-2002 11:07pm I am mainly antagonistic towards politicians and politics but because the US treats its working poor and homeless so badly, I am for what I imagine socialism would probably provide -- better health care for the working poor and homeless/jobless for one. The economy is so bad lately that it may be time to try something entirely new, because what we've had for so long is obviously not working; people are hurting lately and cannot get decent health care in many instances. |
| dora | (reply to cody) posted 14-Nov-2002 4:08am Why only wealthy? I can see only intelligent...but why wealthy? Oh,I forgot,you're very right-wing,so maybe it makes sense for you. |
| Jemmy | posted 14-Nov-2002 10:57am I'm not sure, I don't really know enough about all the different kinds of governments to choose. It also depends on the situation. |
| cody | (reply to dora) posted 14-Nov-2002 7:46pm The problem is that poor people try to vote themselves money. By 'wealthy' I just mean people who own their houses, don't rent. |
| dora | (reply to cody) posted 15-Nov-2002 6:27am Right,then I couldn't vote. I wouldn't anyway so it would be no problem to me. |
| darkshadowsseeker | (reply to dora) posted 15-Nov-2002 4:17pm Partially, but I'm even somewhat against anarchy as well. |
| dora | (reply to darkshadowsseeker) posted 15-Nov-2002 4:58pm Why? |
| juliw | posted 15-Nov-2002 7:16pm One not headed by George W? |
| darkshadowsseeker | (reply to dora) posted 16-Nov-2002 3:13pm Probably because I've has the "pleasure" ( |
| dora | (reply to darkshadowsseeker) posted 16-Nov-2002 3:29pm Depends on what you mean...I don't like super-activists with a sheep mentality that think that being unpleasant and rude with others is so cool and revolutionary.These guys don't have a clue of what anarchy is.Is all about respect for the others.Like every political association it has a lot of butt-holes labelling themselves like that when they wouldn't have the right to.Only with anarchism is worse,because isn't really a fashionable idea.Real anarchism shouldn't be,the commercial version lately seems to be.I wonder why. |
| bill | posted 1-Dec-2002 6:22pm I would say Democracy, but someone would point out that the US is actually a Republic, so I said that. |
| Zang | (reply to kaleb777) posted 3-Dec-2002 6:27pm I guess you're right. What the hell was I thinking? Obviously the best system would be one which allowed the wealthy and powerful to exploit the masses for personal profit. Then they could create this big shell-game whereby the masses could feel like they were actively involved in making choices about their government, when in fact they were just choosing which butt-hole gets to be bureaucrat. They could charge everyone gobs of taxes for social services, and take them away arbitrarily. But I suppose I'm just dreaming. A system like that is just an ideal. It could never happen in the real world. |
| kaleb777 | (reply to Zang) posted 3-Dec-2002 6:52pm The masses are not forced to do anything in capitalist societies. You choose your level of participation. That is not so under socialist or communist systems. Communist countries don't have a wealthy and powerful elite? How many Russians drove in the same limosines the party officials did? Even if elections only give the capitalist masses a choice between butt-holes, that's one more choice than people in communist countries have. I'm always fascinated by how many people who enjoy life under a capitalist democratic system believe they would be better off if they lived in a communist or true socialist country. What's surprising is how people seem to be trying to escape from socialist countries to move to western capitalist societies, and no westerners seem to want to move to socialist countries despite how fantastic the socialist system is claimed to be. No one ever said capitaism or democracy was perfect, but it craps all over communism |
| Zang | (reply to kaleb777) posted 3-Dec-2002 7:16pm No, of course not! That is what could be so wonderful, if such a thing existed! People would be able to freely choose whether they wanted to exploit, be exploited, or simply die in the gutter! But alas! It is only a pipe-dream! |
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