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essay3-Nov-2002quizanoddoblivion unsorted45657.1%

  What are the only three numbers that you can add together and multiply together, and get the same answer?

Example showing you what I mean by adding and multiplying together:
6+21+23=50
6x21x23=2898

Giving options would be giving away the answer evidently.

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Jemmy
posted 4-Nov-2002 2:46pm  

0, 0 and 0. Assuming that you are using the whole numbers, and not just natural numbers.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 4-Nov-2002 2:47pm  

1, 2, and 3
1 + 2 + 3 = 6
1 x 2 x 3 = 6
LindaH Survey Central Gold SubscriberGold Star Survey CreatorSurvey QualifierThis user is on the site NOW (7 minutes and 23 seconds ago)
posted 4-Nov-2002 2:48pm  

1, 2, and 3
Maarten Survey Central Subscriber
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:00pm  

1, 2, 3
magbast
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:17pm  

0+0+0=0
0x0x0=0
msgman
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:30pm  

Actually, there are an infinite number of possibilities:

-1, 0, 1
-2, 0, 2
-3, 0, 3
etc

Zang Survey Central Subscriber
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:32pm  

Well, the first thing I tried (1,2,3) worked. I'm not going to bother trying the rest to make sure they're the only ones; I've got better things to do with the rest of my life...
TeddyMiller Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:42pm  

1,2,3.
anoddoblivion
posted 4-Nov-2002 3:55pm  

3+2+1=6
3x2x1=6

dab Survey Central Gold Subscriber
posted 4-Nov-2002 4:39pm  

1,2,3=6

also

1,0,-1=0

In fact, any number, the negative of that number, and zero will work.
southernyankee
posted 4-Nov-2002 4:47pm  

zero, zero, and zero

but then again theres negative 1, 1 and 0, and then if you think about it, negavitive some number, that same number, only positive, and zero.
Biggles
posted 4-Nov-2002 4:47pm  

1,2 and 3
southernyankee
(reply to anoddoblivion) posted 4-Nov-2002 4:49pm  

you should have specified if your just looking for positive whole numbers.

what about zero, zero, and zero.
Iseult Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 4-Nov-2002 5:38pm  

1 2 3

1+2+3=6
1*2*3=6
juliw
posted 4-Nov-2002 5:41pm  

*?*
juliw
posted 4-Nov-2002 5:42pm  

0,0,0 or 1,2,3
joachim
posted 4-Nov-2002 6:42pm  

1, 2 and 3.
Hans
posted 4-Nov-2002 6:43pm  

If a,b,c are positive integers such that
a+b+c = abc, then

1 = (a+b+c)/(abc) = 1/(bc) + 1/(ac) + 1/(ab).

Hence at least one of the denominators ab, ac, bc must be less or equal 3, that is: must be 2 or 3. (If each of the three fractions on the right hand-side were less than one third, their sum would be strictly smaller than 1.) But the numbers 2, 3 may be factored only in the form 2=1x2, 3=1x3. Hence necessarily either 1, 2 or 1, 3 are among the numbers a, b, c.

Case 1: a=1, b=2. Then 1/(2c) + 1/(1c) + 1/2 = 1, and we obtain c=3.
Case 2: a=1, b=3. Then 1/(3c) + 1/(1c) + 1/3 = 1,
and we obtain c=2.

It follows that the three numbers must necessarily be 1, 2, 3.
joachim
(reply to joachim) posted 4-Nov-2002 6:43pm  

I'm so smart!
joachim
(reply to juliw) posted 4-Nov-2002 6:43pm  

You're smarter!
juliw
(reply to joachim) posted 4-Nov-2002 6:48pm  

Aw, shucks! But I know ONE person I am way smarter than! Kate knows who I mean!
kirst
posted 4-Nov-2002 7:53pm  

1+2+3=6
1x2x3=6
Lex
posted 5-Nov-2002 4:26am  

1,2,3
0,x,-x
Lex
(reply to Hans) posted 5-Nov-2002 4:30am  

good reasoning... but you only cover the case for positive integers. what about fractional numbers and negatives.
Lex
(reply to Hans) posted 5-Nov-2002 4:57am  

OK lets consider this a bit further...

abc = a+b+c.
abc - c = a+b
(ab -1)c = a+b
c = a+b/(ab-1)

There are limitless possibilities. Just pick any numbers you like for a and b, and work c out.

eg a=2, b=4 c=6/7
eg a=45, b=23, c=68/1034


starrpickle
posted 5-Nov-2002 10:15am  

magical isn't it
darkshadowsseeker
posted 5-Nov-2002 2:55pm  

Don't know, don't care.
Hans
(reply to Lex) posted 5-Nov-2002 7:43pm  

I think the interesting point is really that the numbers are uniquely determined if you consider just positive integers. It is not surprising that there are inifinitely many possibilities if rational numbers are considered. If all integers are allowed, then any triple of the form -a, 0, a is an example. Are there more examples than this type (and 1,2,3 of course) in the case of integers?
Hans
(reply to Lex) posted 5-Nov-2002 7:45pm  

Well, -1, -2, -3 (for completeness, but not to forget)
sunshine
posted 5-Nov-2002 8:47pm  

Um! How about:
1+2+3=6
1x2x3=6
anoddoblivion
(reply to southernyankee) posted 5-Nov-2002 11:09pm  

Sorry.
cody
posted 6-Nov-2002 2:19am  

1, 2, 3
Lex
(reply to Hans) posted 6-Nov-2002 5:06am  

Theres no positive integer combinations other than 1,2 and 3. Your initial analysis seemed like a complete proof to me. The question therefore is "Is there a combination of negatives and positive integers" that also works.

OK, lets get some thinking caps on here...

Say we have a combination (-a,-b,-c) that works.
(a,b,c) will also work as the total will be as before, but multiplied by -1, and same for the product. We know that the only positive solution is 1,2,3 so from this we can deduce that the only combination of 3 negatives that works is the inverse of (1,2,3) or (-1,-2-3)

So that leaves us with a combination of 1 negative and 2 positives, or 2 negatives, and 1 positive.

Consider the original equation abc=a+b+c

From this we got c = (a+b)/(ab-1)
Or we could have got a = (c+b)/(cb-1)
or b = (a+c)/(ac-1)

If two of the numbers are positive integers, the unknown third MUST be positive, based on one of the 3 equations
If two of the numbers are negative, the third MUST be negative, based on one of the 3 equations
ie theres NO mixed positive negative cobination that will work.



Wicksy Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 6-Nov-2002 7:01am  

2x2x1
2+2+1

3x2x1
3+2+1

?
?
Dino
posted 6-Nov-2002 8:22am  

*faint*
dab Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to Lex) posted 6-Nov-2002 9:49am  

Except that mixed positive-negative answers work when the third number is 0.

Now go on to analyze the case when complex numbers are allowed rather than just integer, or rational, or real numbers.
southernyankee
(reply to anoddoblivion) posted 6-Nov-2002 5:46pm  

thats allright. I cant believe no one noticed in qual.
southernyankee
(reply to dab) posted 6-Nov-2002 5:48pm  

complex numbers?

are those the ones that have "i" in them, as in the square root of negative one.
Lex
(reply to dab) posted 7-Nov-2002 4:57am  

Complex numbers... hmmmmmm.

A quick try at 1+i, 2+2i, 3+3i gives product = 12i-12, sum = 6+6i.

Tricky, I probably could work it out, but have too much else to do right now.
dab Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to southernyankee) posted 7-Nov-2002 9:34am  

Yup, those are complex numbers.
dab Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to Lex) posted 7-Nov-2002 9:44am  

You should be able to use the equation you've already derived: c = a+b/(ab-1).

So if a=1+i and b=1-i then c=2 or if a=1+i and b=1+i then c=0.4-1.2i. It seems like it'd be interesting to graph this somehow but I think you'd end up needing to show a surface in four dimensions.
Lex
(reply to dab) posted 8-Nov-2002 4:41am  

I'll ahve to believe you on that one. I can't remember how to divide complex numbers. eg what is 2/(2i-1)
dab Survey Central Gold Subscriber
(reply to Lex) posted 8-Nov-2002 9:15am  

I have a calculator that can operate on complex numbers so I just took the easy way out and 2/(2i-1)=-0.4-0.8i.

However, a little playing around and I've figured out that dividing complex numbers isn't all that hard. You just multiply top and bottom by the complex conjugate (that is, negate the imaginary part) of the denominator and you'll end up with a real number in the denominator and can then it's just simple algebra.
anonymous
posted 14-Nov-2002 3:14pm  

0 0 and 0


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