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Zang  | | posted 16-Aug-2002 2:51am |
"Unsupervised"  Why does that sound so funny? Probably because the idea of supervising (watching) dogs fudging doesn't sound so normal... I've known a few friends that have owned pets, and were a bit slack getting around to having them "fixed". I think it is pretty irresponsible. One of my buddies, who was my roommate at the time, had a cat that pissed all over the place everytime she went into heat. She seemed to gravitate towards my stuff when she did this. My couch, my bed, my rug...There was a little unpleasantness over this. I'll just leave it at that. |
| darkshadowsseeker | | (reply to Zang) posted 16-Aug-2002 2:55am |
Just be glad it wasn't a male cat. Some male cats that haven't been neutered tend to spray to mark territory (as do their cousins the lions and tigers and other members of the feline family) and the odor of male cat urine is WAY worse than that of a female cat! |
| Zang |
Yes I'm familiar with that. Nasty stuff!  |
| darkshadowsseeker | | (reply to Zang) posted 16-Aug-2002 3:35am |
Yep! |
| Dino | | posted 16-Aug-2002 7:25am |
As long as the animals are found homes and loved or cared for I don't care. Necessarily - although there's the catch. Are we producing too many animals which no-one wants. |
| Jemmy | | posted 16-Aug-2002 9:45am |
I think it's okay, as long as they know they can find homes for the babies. I have a friend with like, 8 cats, and they don't have enough money to spay/neuter them all, so kittens has been a problem in the past. I don't want to seem insensitive, but if you can't take care of kittens, and can't afford to have all 8 cats spayed/neutered, then maybe you shouldn't have eight cats. You should only have what you can afford. |
| moonstone | | posted 16-Aug-2002 10:43am |
This is SO wierd. I was just thinking about this this morning for some reason. I think it's irresponsible of the pet owner. I think they should at least try their hardest to find homes for the babies. |
romkey  | | posted 16-Aug-2002 10:55am |
I think it's irresponsible, bordering on abusive |
| confetti | | posted 16-Aug-2002 11:00am |
It's irresponsible and unfair to the animal...we always have neutered our pets. I say it's unfair because I've seen what female cats look like after they've gone through litter after litter...with cheese grater ribs and bruised, sore bellies. |
| confetti | | posted 16-Aug-2002 11:01am |
If you really want your pet to have babies, make sure that A) each one of them will be cared for all its life and B) at the most, have one litter. |
| grmbrand | | posted 16-Aug-2002 11:19am |
I disagree with the practice and I definitely think it is irresponsible. It certainly contributes to pet overpopulation. On the other hand, I imagine that it is a pretty cool way to expose kids to the idea of birth. |
Iseult   | | posted 16-Aug-2002 12:03pm |
I don't really care, as long as there's no dogs and cats running around the street (with no owners). |
| anoddoblivion | | posted 16-Aug-2002 2:02pm |
I disagree and think it's neglectful, but defenitely not the worse thing that could ever happen. |
| ASexyBabe | | posted 16-Aug-2002 3:30pm |
Bob Barker always says "help control the pet population have your pet spayed or nuetered" |
| bandit1cat | | posted 16-Aug-2002 4:22pm |
Don't know anyone doing this these days. Vet here has spay/neuter program where you only pay $10. He and the county pick up the remainder. |
| spidertea | | (reply to Dino) posted 16-Aug-2002 5:04pm |
The problem with giving away puppies is that 1/3 of people who get puppies get rid of them in one year or less. People don't seem to grasp that cute cuddly puppies turn into big dogs and big responsibilities.
There are WAY too many dogs and cats! Millions of them are euthanized in shelters every year in the United States. (These are the lucky ones who don't starve, die of disease, get hit by cars or get sold into research.) |
| spidertea | | (reply to ASexyBabe) posted 16-Aug-2002 5:05pm |
Bob Barker kicks ass! |
| kaleb777 | | posted 16-Aug-2002 5:58pm |
I think this practice contributes to pet overpopulation and in Australia, causes problems with native wildlife when cats attack birds and marsupials and dogs breed with dingos to produce vicious animals with little fear of humans.
The practice is irresponsible, but so is the practice by 'legitimate' breeders who inbreed animals to keep a breed (read mutation) pure. Purebred dogs for insyance are notriously prone to genetic faults such as deafness (in Dalmations especially) and hip displacement. I would hardly call breeding dogs to keep a breed pure "improving the breed". If anything, the mongrels are a far better breed with less health problems.
I wouldn't go so far as to ban people from having pets, I mean look at the people who are having children and that's not illegal. Perhaps people should be fined for every animal born over one 'mistake' litter. Maybe there could be a program where the poor are given a subsidy to encourage desexing of their animals. In outback Australia, the government pays vets to fly into remote Aboriginal communities where they give free vet are and desex as many pets as possible. |
| kaleb777 |
All the cats around here that I know of are female, spayed, and piss everywhere. I've seen them do it. I once took out a stack of plantpots to do some replanting of gum trees that sprouted around the base of a tree. A neighbours cat (female & spayed & called Sissy) backed up and pissed on the pots while I was digging up the trees. I don't think this practice is restricted to male or desexed cats. They piss as part of their territorial markings. Needless to say this cat got a kick up the chicken. |
| darkshadowsseeker | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 16-Aug-2002 7:03pm |
Poor kitty!  |
Galomorro   | | posted 16-Aug-2002 9:07pm |
I get very upset with this -- I answered "immoral practice," "contributes to pet overpopulation," and "people who do this should not be allowed to have pets." The PET dog, cat or whatever does not "feel" badly because it has been neutered or spayed! It does not know what is going on! Its owner has a responsibility to reduce the overpopulation of helpless, dependent animals that cannot find homes and, therefore, after birth, many times must be euthanized at pet shelters. Your animal shelter tries its best to provide reasonably priced neutering and spaying services! I have seen dumping of tiny kittens on city streets. I love animals and think it is a small price to pay, if you want a pet in the first place, to go ahead and spay or neuter your animal(s) and provide for it distemper, rabies, etc. shots, so that you and your chosen companion can have many years of happiness together. I have heard of all too many "redneck"-type (seems to ME!) beliefs that "one should let a dog or cat have at least ONE litter," stuff like that. The animal has no IDEA what is best for it. It operates on instinct. You, as its human owner, are in charge! Do the right thing! There are always plenty of surplus kitties, puppies, etc. around to be adopted! Why should YOU add to this overpopulation problem? Once, I remember, I neutered a male cat of mine just a bit too late and he started "spraying" all over the walls. I think there should be more info available in public places (like the Net or TV public service announcements) to educate pet owners so they will be more responsible and we can cut WAY down on euthanizing animals that are overflowing our shelters.... |
| mandy | | posted 17-Aug-2002 3:56pm |
This is cruel and heartbreaking behavior |
| ASexyBabe | | (reply to spidertea) posted 18-Aug-2002 5:46am |
yes he does  |
| spidertea | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 18-Aug-2002 4:47pm |
That's what the good breeders are trying to do- weed out the gentetic problems.
But I've always had mongrels. I would never get an animal from anywhere but a humane society. |
| spidertea | | (reply to Galomorro) posted 18-Aug-2002 4:49pm |
I've heard that "let them have just one litter " excuse so many times, I could just puke.
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| kaleb777 | | (reply to spidertea) posted 18-Aug-2002 4:56pm |
I thought deafness in Dalmations was now accepted as a trait. There doesn't seem to be any attempt by breeders to ensure this trait is eliminated. It's like the Pekingese. They are notorious for resperatory problems and hip displacement yet this is now part of the breed. Eliminate those traits and you would have to settle for a different shaped dog with a longer snout and different back legs. My cousin is a vet and he told me to avoid so called pure bred dogs because all of the genetic mistakes are concentrated in these inbred disasters. I'll alway have mongrel dogs too. |
| icurok | | posted 19-Aug-2002 5:49pm |
I find the idea of trying to "improve" a "breed" immoral. |
| Galomorro | | (reply to spidertea) posted 19-Aug-2002 10:11pm |
Ah-HA. Glad to hear someone else agrees. |
| southernyankee | | posted 19-Aug-2002 11:45pm |
Damnit, we can't alow animals to be put in the same level we put ourselves, where they can have as many kids a they wish. I am only ok w/ it for humans. Oh wait, I am not.  I kinnda like China's way of dealing w/ this problem. We often critize them for eating dogs (I am not sure if they do), but then we (cough, PETA) put 1000's of them to sleep. And I also like their efficient way of dealing with ************ "extreme" views sensored for the sensitivity of some potential readers ***** ... blah blah blah, their population problem.  |
| Amanda | | posted 21-Aug-2002 3:15am |
As long as the person finds homes for the animals, I don't see a problem with it
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| spidertea | | (reply to icurok) posted 23-Aug-2002 11:31pm |
How so? |
| icurok | | (reply to spidertea) posted 24-Aug-2002 4:38am |
All domesticated dogs are descended from the wolf. Over thousands of years we have selectively bred traits which we find desirable resulting in specialisation. Some dogs are bred to hunt, some to guard, some simply because they look nice. They idea of "improving" an artificial "breed" based on subjective human aesthetics I find uncomfortable. Who are we to say what a dog is supposed to look like, or supposed to do, especially when such breeding often results in health problems for the particular breed. |
| spidertea | | (reply to icurok) posted 25-Aug-2002 11:38pm |
I see your point. But I think some of "improving" the breed is trying to weed out genetic disorders. |
| arj |
I would like to ask those who feel strongly about this: how is this different from the fact that wild animals breed "without supervision" in nature? |
| LuridHope |
How do you feel about unsupervised breeding of humans? |
| ewielang | | posted 11-Sep-2002 2:47pm |
Why would you even think about a question like this? Do you not have enough to do in your life? Animals mating is completely natural. What is the problem? Before they were domesticated, they were wild. As long as they're are found good homes, what does it matter? |
| Biggles | | (reply to ewielang) posted 11-Sep-2002 4:11pm |
It's unlikely that they will be found good homes. |
| spidertea | | (reply to ewielang) posted 2-Oct-2002 8:56pm |
Do you know how many animals are killed in shelters every single year (in the U.S alone) because of attitudes like that? Millions! There are NOT enough good homes. Please do some research before making ignorant statements like that. |
| spidertea | | (reply to arj) posted 2-Oct-2002 9:00pm |
Animals that are wild can take care of themselves. Domesticated animals depend on humans. A domestic animal on its own will likely succumb to disease, starvation, being hit by a car or worse- picked up for research. The dogs that do manage to survive, are able to do so because they pack up. They attack domestic animals and people. I have seen several small children badly mauled by domestic dogs who have "turned wild."
Also- please seem my comment to ewielang. |
| spidertea |
PETA does not euthanize homeless animals. That is done in local humane societies by vets. Not just anyone can put an animal to sleep- you need to be a licensed veterinarian. |
| spidertea | | (reply to LuridHope) posted 2-Oct-2002 9:03pm |
I think that sucks too! |
| spidertea |
China does not generally eat homeless dogs-they breed and raise them just like we breed cattle in the U.S. The practice of eating dogs does nothing to help the pet over population problem. Also, many homeless dogs are skinny and diseased-who would want to eat them? |
| southernyankee | | (reply to spidertea) posted 4-Oct-2002 1:29pm |
Isn't dog eating illeagal, even in China. I think some people do it there anyway, just like a lot of people comit crimes here even though its illegal. |
| spidertea |
I'm not sure. |
| starrpickle | | posted 6-Nov-2002 11:55am |
Keep your pets spay or neutered thanks bob |
