| User | Comment |
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Lahdee  | | posted 30-Jun-2002 10:21pm |
common sense |
Galomorro  | | posted 30-Jun-2002 10:35pm |
All or nearly all of the above. |
| confetti | | posted 30-Jun-2002 11:37pm |
By knowing a person. Judging someone's intelligence only by test scores is especially degrading. How can you measure how mentally apt I am for the modern world by seeing if I can factorize algebraic expressions or how much I remember from "Don Quixote"? |
| Amanda | | posted 30-Jun-2002 11:59pm |
A combination of some of the above. |
| LetRobesonSing | | posted 1-Jul-2002 12:05am |
Knowledge is about the only real way of judging 'intelligence', if you absolutely insist on trying to measure something so diverse. |
Kristal_Rose   |
By a persons ideas mostly. |
| mandy |
Whether or not they see me for the icon I am....
That simple. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to mandy) posted 1-Jul-2002 3:35am |
I see that you represent That simple. Can I have a brownie now? |
bill  |
maybe... how happy they are, how they live their life, how they interact with other people... cool survey |
| Dino |
knowing stuff and understanding stuff. I look at the books and newspapers they read.
I read (when I do) The Sun. = thick as two short planks.
Biggles reads the Broadsheets = clever little Miss.
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Zang  |
I'd say the most accurate measure of a person's intelligence is to get to know the person by talking to them about a broad range of topics. I selected the option "A culmination of some of the above".
Some of the things mentioned, I would say, have little or no bearing on the topic. Scholastic scores indicate how well someone scores scholastically, nothing more. SATs are something that American high school students do. Given that many intelligent people are not American high school students, I would say that they primarily indicate whether or not someone has gone to high school in the United States. Although genetics could be a factor, it would be silly to make such an assumption. Age is also relevant, but not something that one should base assumptions on either. "Success" is entirely subjective and irrelevant to the topic.
I would say that most of the other things would be valid factors.
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| Enheduanna |
A *com*bination of several of these. |
| mcarlos | | posted 1-Jul-2002 11:29am |
the company they keep .. (and/or don't keep) |
| Biggles | | posted 1-Jul-2002 11:34am |
You can only do it by really knowing a person - whether that's directly or just by knowing their work/ideas very well. |
| Germananny | | posted 1-Jul-2002 12:23pm |
I think you can't choose one of those to measure a person's intelligence... I think it is most of the above.... I'd only add emotional intelligence, too. |
| teatree | | posted 1-Jul-2002 12:29pm |
Good, old-fashioned common sense. There seems to be a lack of it in this world. |
| juliw |
It depends. Some people have a lot of knowledge, but very little common sense, and vice versa. I am lucky enough to have plenty of both. |
| mandy |
cheeky....  |
| LuridHope |
Silence. |
| Jemmy |
There really isn't a standard way of finding out how intlligent an individual is. I think that intelligence is a very relative term, and most people are intelligent in some way, even if you don't have a way of seeing it. |
| bill | | (reply to mcarlos) posted 2-Jul-2002 9:56am |
how well they play Go.  |
| Irene007 |
A culmination of some of the above.
You can teach people the same things but none will use that knowledge in the same way...
Vive la différence!! |
| Irene007 |
Great answer!
What is intelligence?? What may be "intelligent" to some is useless information for others! |
| Irene007 | | (reply to Dino) posted 2-Jul-2002 9:34pm |
Yeah! Fine stuff for your part of town...
For others, the farmer's almanac may be the only thing for them to read...
BTW;
My husband is meeting one of my customers (from my work) who may be interested in the publication. Tonight, he (my husband) told me that he's not so keen on the idea anymore!! He would rather do a golf club score sheet, come advertising vehicle, instead. Go figure! |
| Irene007 | | (reply to mcarlos) posted 2-Jul-2002 9:37pm |
If "trailer trash" is the company that they keep, what would be your judgement of their intelligence?
Even in trailer parks, there are some intelligent people that just choose to live in a trailer...
I like to talk to everyone, the janitor to the president of the company - they all have some life experience that we can learn from. How intelligent does that make me? |
| romkey |
penis length, of course. |
| Irene007 | | (reply to teatree) posted 2-Jul-2002 9:43pm |
Hey! Another good answer - common sense has different applications in different parts of the world.
If you were boating in a swamp in the Amazon and you came across a shallow part in the water way with a boat too heavy to lift, would you;
A) use the motor grease that you keep for the motor in order to lubricate the log you have to pull the boat over, or;
b) use the inside of the bark of a certain tree that is known to be naturally slippery, to move your boat over?
For the people of the area, common sense may be different than yours... |
| mandy | | (reply to romkey) posted 2-Jul-2002 10:04pm |
So, that would put your IQ around....?????
*cheeky grin* |
| PunkRockDK331 | | posted 2-Jul-2002 11:12pm |
definitly a persons ideas, they are a doorway to the brain. school and work don't get a persons intelligence and neither does artistic skill. I would say an IQ test ranks second. |
| PunkRockDK331 |
hey i remember you to from when i was on this site under a different name, Kristal Rose. my name used to be everglow |
| freebird_old | | posted 3-Jul-2002 12:24am |
Personally, I have learned tons from just life's experience. But I don't think there's away to really measure an individuals intelligence. |
| romkey | | (reply to mandy) posted 3-Jul-2002 2:52am |
please note that I never said anything about how they're related...  |
| Kristal_Rose |
Yeah, I remember you. I've been here incessantly for years now. Wasn't that long ago, latter half of 2001 mostly. |
| teatree | | (reply to Irene007) posted 3-Jul-2002 3:44am |
I would probably do 'b' because the grease would pollute the water. That is as long as there are no pirahnas about. |
| Dino | | (reply to Irene007) posted 3-Jul-2002 4:22am |
I guess appealing to middle-class white men is more appealing than the alternative. |
| Irene007 | | (reply to teatree) posted 3-Jul-2002 8:12am |
Besides, it's always available and for free! |
| Irene007 | | (reply to Dino) posted 3-Jul-2002 8:14am |
Gotta go where the money is!
That's not really it though, it the smut part that bothers him. |
| Dino | | (reply to Irene007) posted 3-Jul-2002 9:31am |
Oh gosh yeah! You can't have a golf magazine without a few sexist jokes. Sad eh? |
| Irene007 | | (reply to Dino) posted 3-Jul-2002 9:35am |
Naw - I mean the smut trade, silly!
He just told me that he's going to meet a potential investor and I asked about last night when he said he wasn't interested anymore... I don't get it - and they say women can't make up their minds. Sheesh! |
| teatree | | (reply to Irene007) posted 3-Jul-2002 1:04pm |
That as well! |
LindaH  |
How much cheese they put on their toast. |
| kaleb777 |
A culmination. Many people who have degrees are the most gullable, stupid people with absolutely no social skills. |
| PunkRockDK331 |
yah i think so, jeez i recognize almost half the people here, its weird |
| Analog |
I said IQ tests. Here's why:
IQ tests are designed to measure general intelligence. This they do. Measuring general intelligence may not be a particularly useful thing to do, but if you want to do it, the best way is to use an IQ test.
The other answers on the list either measure things other than just intelligence (SAT, school grades, age), or else aren't quantitative tests at all (affinities, success, ideas) and thus are not good ways to measure anything. |
| Kristal_Rose |
Half of them have been here for years too. |
| Biggles | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 4-Jul-2002 4:18pm |
Maybe that's what university does to you  I'll start university being me and come out like that. An interesting social experiment. Watch this space in 3 years time |
| oOStephOo | | posted 4-Jul-2002 10:50pm |
There are some people who are book smart, some people who are musically talented, and etc. You definitley cannot tell a persons intelligence just by grades, because a person who is not academically successful does not mean he/she is not good in another thing ( maybe music/art/writing).All people are unique and therefore they are smart in their own ways. |
| PunkRockDK331 |
true i can't believe that i couldn't stay for to long because i was practically ostracized for the things i said. It was quite interesting. And now the cycle begins again. (for examples see "do you want total anarchy or total tyranny") |
| Kristal_Rose |
(working from memory here) It's not your viewpoint, it's how accomodating your viewpoint is of contrary opinions. Not everyone who preferred anarchy was ostracised. |
| PunkRockDK331 |
well thats because i'm harsher about it. Whatever i like arguing things, I wish there was a survey for republican and democrat, i argue with a friend about it all the time and usually win. |
| Kristal_Rose |
Well if you like arguing, of course people are going to be argumentive with you. Winning arguements, in and of itself, accomplishes nothing. In fact it often makes people more stubborn, working on ways to win their arguement next time around. Finding common ground, and working to find the virtues of opposing viewpoints is where real growth with potential comes from. |
| Kristal_Rose |
btw, you are on fatalistic self-fullfilling prophecy if you are so vigilantly prepared in your doomed surrender to get ostracised again. The sad part of that is that you would disappear again thinking it was because you had superior unique views, and had some conception that that was what folks were opposing. Why don't you hold off on arguing and explore this time around. Arguing is for people who don't want to learn or even teach anything. |
| confetti |
What's 'ostracised'? And by the way, you have a new name. Kandy Kane |
| kaleb777 | | (reply to Biggles) posted 6-Jul-2002 3:47pm |
You'll also come out believing carbon dioxide is pollution, and that non-white people need extra help because they are incapable of surviving in the complex world set up by white people, but to think that is in no way racist. Good luck.  |
| NthenSome |
I am supposing the "combination of some and all above" were brought in by qualification (in fact, I think I recall). I sure hope I wasn't one to suggest that because I was having a good ol' time when I was stumped by having to choose just one!
If I had to answer the question (as it is literally read - "most accurate"), these options are really difficult to choose from. In that manner, it kind of asks how we rate "intelligence", and I'm really not sure how to answer that with these (great) choices.
I regard "wisdom" very highly, which would be "experience" I suppose.
"Ideas" might be way up there.
"Success" I'd say has to be measured first before I could include that. (I measure a person's 'success' by their commitment to affect others in a positive way.)
Then...I have a certain reserved faith in academic tools as well - those tests you list.
That's it. I switched to "I don't know" because I felt like I was taking a loophole with the "culmination" answers.
I got to look to see who did this survey! It's got me thinking! (No pun.) |
| NthenSome | | (reply to confetti) posted 6-Jul-2002 4:15pm |
GRRrrreaaat! survey! You got me thinking on this one (see previous). Kudos to you! I sure feel the dunce though. I answered "I don't know" to a question solely regarding intelligence -  . I see that I'm the only unwise soul to brave that answer too. Ha! Oh, well. I'm going to google to look up a true I.Q. test. I've always been curious, but have never thought to look at one. Thanks for a survey well-done! |
| NthenSome |
Hang out. You're funny. |
| confetti | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 6-Jul-2002 7:26pm |
Thanks I liked creating it. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to confetti) posted 7-Jul-2002 1:48am |
Of 'Factory' fame? |
| confetti |
No |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to confetti) posted 7-Jul-2002 7:53pm |
Is there any background on this comment you've made? Or were you just inspired to give me a nick name? |
| confetti |
Yes. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to confetti) posted 7-Jul-2002 8:38pm |
Oh that's a useful answer. |
| confetti |
I know. |
| NthenSome | | (reply to confetti) posted 7-Jul-2002 11:34pm |
Confetti? Are we in a mischievous mood tonight? You've got a little debate of ingenuity going on over in "flag", with LH too.
Wassup? Just playful? |
| confetti | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 8-Jul-2002 12:18am |
No, hungry and desperate for distraction |
| NthenSome | | (reply to confetti) posted 8-Jul-2002 1:00am |
Hmmm. |
| PunkRockDK331 |
obviously thats the way people are now. They come up with a view and then dig in. People are to close minded to change their views or become different-minded. I have talked with a friend about that a few months ago. "SUPERIOR UNIQUE VIEWS"? what the fudge is that. I don't consider myself fudging right! i know that opinions are opinions but apparently every backwards ass fudge wants to tell me i'm wrong because it makes them feel good! i don't mind when its simple talking about things but when it comes to forced opinions fudge off. Thats why religion pisses me off cause every idiot has to make a bother of themselves to fudge with you. I argue because if no one argues then every dumb fudge with in fifty miles will believe what is told of them. At least some people are willing to fight for there belief while others roll over like a dead dog, and allow themselves to be tossed around in a torrent of ideas and opinions leaving you so fudgeed up that you don't know what to believe and believe in nothing. Its not that i'm not listening its that i'm not agreeing, and when i don't agree i like to throw in my two sense because thats what you do on this site. Opinions mean nothing if you don't defend them. Jeez, fudging superior unique views, My opinions aren't superior and they are shared by at least a million other people on this flying crap freight. why do you insist on throwing me in the dirt when i'm already down? |
| Kristal_Rose |
You don't have to argue to maintain your views, or discuss them. I don't believe people should surrender to any view that comes their way, but I don't believe anger ever serves any purpose either. I never wanted you in the dirt. I consider your belief claim that this is a flying crap freight a symptom that you have allowed yourself to wallow in dirt. I'd like to talk people out of views that make this world a worse place, and have them improve their own lives and the lives of those around them instead. If you consider that throwing people in the dirt, I am guilty.
I take it your opinion is formed from personal experience; that you've been tossed around so much that you don't know what to believe, don't trust anyone to have answers anymore, and have built up a defense system so that you're in control of your own life even if you don't have any answers. |
| confetti |
As you're an elder being, I am forced to ask, what color are the koalas on your highest plane? |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to confetti) posted 9-Jul-2002 4:30am |
Hmm.. There are folks who see blue deer in meditations and such. I've never done anything remotely similar. The closest tale i can offer is meditating to find my totem animals which included tree kangaroos, 6' river otters, giraffes, and white owls. I do see things in meditations beyond earth, and occasional etheric phenomenon coinciding with earthly matter, but mostly the other planes i speak of look like just the same movie set, just directed and edited to achieve an entirely different understanding of what's occurring. If I see any colorful koalas, I'll let you know. |
| confetti |
I'll remind you from time to time. |
| Dino | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 10-Jul-2002 9:35am |
confetti has re-named me Dunkin Doughnut. Please do something before she takes over the world and destroys us! |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Dino) posted 10-Jul-2002 1:09pm |
She called me kandy kane. Does she have a forum where she's doing this or something? |
| PunkRockDK331 |
i'm sorry for blowing up but this conversation is growing old i'm going to spend more time on others. |
| Dino |
Not that I'm aware. She just flipped one day and went crazy in the streets.
(I'm prone to melodrama - excuse me) |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to Dino) posted 12-Jul-2002 11:27pm |
how 'bout "wild in the streets"/ it was a 60's movie where everyone over the age of 30 was forced into concentration camps where the water coolers contained LSD. It ended with 12 year olds deciding that 30 was pretty darn old for for folks to be allowed things like presidential power. |
| NthenSome | | (reply to Dino) posted 13-Jul-2002 3:18am |
Confetti didn't "flip", my friend. She merely became her own simplest form for a moment, then sprinkled a bit of herself about, you see.
Confetti is colourful, light, airy, frolicking in space. We just caught her during one of those rare moments when she can be witnessed shooting out of the end of a paper toy is all. Occasionally, she's compelled to surprise us like that. Confetti - a bit scattered now - will collect herself again, be assured.
(Note the respect I gave you by incorrectly spelling "colourful"? God, I'm nice.)
Actually, I don't know what that spell was all about with Confetti. I haven't been renamed.
*looks at Dino, cautiously, runs for cover just in case* |
| Biggles | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 13-Jul-2002 9:10pm |
How did I know that was coming? |
| Dino | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 15-Jul-2002 5:19am |
I ain't gonna rename you. I suspect if she does rename you it will contain nuts.
Thanks for the 'proper' spelling. Your communication skills are first class. |
| NthenSome | | (reply to Dino) posted 15-Jul-2002 5:46am |
Oh boy, did you ever speak too soon with that one! Confetti and I just got off the tilt-a-whirl of communication over here: http://surveycentral.org/survey/12809.html BTW, I learned the secret, you know, to omitting the need for the asterisk sign in your HTML instructions. When you want to leave a link without actually creating it...paste it, and... 1) Delete first tag sign < 2) Replace it with the following four characters: & l t ; ( 1 - the ampersand, or "and sign"; 2 - small "l"; 3 - small "t"; 4 - semi-colon)3) Leave the rest of it as is  becomes... <img src="http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/b/glpleased.gif" width="15" height="15"> |
| Dino | | (reply to confetti) posted 15-Jul-2002 6:03am |
read above |
| confetti | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 15-Jul-2002 12:57pm |
Your new name is Nougat Nosh |
| confetti | | (reply to Dino) posted 15-Jul-2002 12:58pm |
Oh, dear...Dipping Doughnut, Kandy Kane and Nougat Nosh are discussing my level of mental sanity!  |
| Dino | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 16-Jul-2002 4:14am |
Ha! Hello Nougat! |
| NthenSome | | (reply to Dino) posted 16-Jul-2002 1:56pm |
I happen to like my name, Dunkin. My parents used to always remind me how much higher 'Noshes' rate over 'Doughnuts', so there. I'm comfortable with my new identity.
And you...? Yours? How are you fending with your new description? |
| kaleb777 | | (reply to Biggles) posted 16-Jul-2002 3:46pm |
Fight the brainwashing!!! Employ logic not emotion!!! |
| Biggles | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 16-Jul-2002 7:00pm |
Brainwashing good. Join us. Join us..........! |
| kaleb777 | | (reply to Biggles) posted 17-Jul-2002 1:23am |
OK *speaks in monotone* "socialism works, capitalism is evil. North Koreans are better off than South Koreans because they are all economically equal. Carbon dioxide is bad for life on this planet and I must do all I can to force other people to cut their production of this evil gas. All weather other than balmy sunny days is caused by people driving to work and cows farting. The sun does not influence global temperatures. All people are to be treated equally except white men but anyone who calls this racism is in fact a true racist. Non white people are equal with white people but need special help to exist in the evil capitalist patriarchal society that has been thrust on the world by evil white men. Racism can only be perpetuated by the white race. White people must live a higher standard because they have had it so good for all time. Non white people may behave any way they wish since they have been oppressed for all time by white people. The third world is poor because of white people, not because of poor management or corruption of dictators and governments based on religious zealotry. Japan, although a rich first world country with lower population density than many European countries, does not have to accept immigrants because their culture is too important to dilute. The culture of countries with predominantly white populations is evil and should be diluted as much as possible. Western countries that seek to slow immigration from cultures that fail to integrate with existing popultaions are called "extreme right wing". At the same time it is accepted that Japan may take no refugees whatsoever and this action must not be called racist because that would be racist. People should not have to work if they don't want to. Capitalism, although evil and a total failure, must contribute money to poor countries who have failed to adopt capitalism and can not support themselves. Companies such as Burger King or McDonalds that offer employment and products that are accepted freely by employees and consumers are evil simply because they make a whole lot of money and that's got to be evil.
By George, I think I'll join the university socialists! You know, if you say it often enough it starts to sound true! |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 17-Jul-2002 4:57am |
Wait wait, the lessons not over, now repeat after me. "Brainwashing is bad. Thank God freedom of the popular media protucts us from ignorance."
Excellent. You may have a cookie now.
Lesson two: "Individual freedom and privacy are paramount. To protect this right from terrorists we will have to monitor communications and hold suspicious persons."
Now let us have happy time by singing a popular american soda advertisement: "I'm a pepper, you're a pepper, he's a pepper, we're all peppers. Be original! Drink Dr. Pepper."
I love the new truth in advertising campaigns that seem to be appearing lately. One IBM commercial has a board meeting of some computer company describing all it's dysfunctional technology woes to a hired rap group that replies "and you expect a jingle to fix all that?". The commercial then ends with an IBM logo and a really cheesy jingle. |
| Dino | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 17-Jul-2002 5:00am |
Actually I'm having a hard time with my new identity. I've tried to ignore it. I've tried to pretend it isn't there. I even kept repeating to myself on the train - I am not Dunkin Doughnut
But in the middle of the night when defenses are low and the line between the conscious and the unconscious is blurred is the sad realisation that I am indeed Dunkin Doughnut.
*hangs head in shame* |
| kaleb777 |
I like the commercials that bad-mouth the opposition, like coke adds dumping crap all over pepsi . How about lesson 3: "There is nothing suspicious about waves of Muslim immigrants who pass through several Islamic countries coming to a predominantly Christian country populated by people considered to be infidels. There is nothing suspicious about these people destroying their papers before they arrive so that the authorities cannot determine who they are or where they come from. Although these people break every refugee convention by coming as far as Australia, hijack European ships and threaten the crew to turn towards Australia, break countless Australian laws and behave in a way that Australians find abhorrent as well as make statements like "Sadam will get Australia next" they must all be released into society and recieve benefits paid for by the Australian taxpayer because they are people and shouldn't be treated badly" Lesson 4: "All the little pixies will make everything alright and we skip around the fields loving each other because we're all off our heads on mushrooms then we storm the refugee detention centres located in the middle of the desert and drive off into the freezing desert night with a van full of refugees who we tell to "run for their lives" when a federal police roadblock appears ahead afterwhich we forget where we let the refugees out and some are still missing to this day in the sub-zero winter desert nights with no food or water (that actually happened) I just love sarcasm, even though people continually tell me it's the lowest form of wit. |
| NthenSome | | (reply to Dino) posted 17-Jul-2002 9:57pm |
Dunkin Doughnut happens to be a well-respected and longstanding entity here in The States. Come to America, my friend! Where you will be received with many dancing, cold glasses of milk and happily escorted everywhence you go by all the police officers you can handle!
(I'm sure that last part isn't exactly easy to turn away, huh huh huh huh?) |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 18-Jul-2002 12:48am |
I just heard report on our border patrol. They put up all sorts of numbers, but I combined a couple interesting ones, $20 billion budget increase over 8 years, prevents about 500,000 entries a year; in other words, about $5000 per person, about the cost of the unlikely event of half of them ending up on welfare. Interesting pixies you have there. |
| Dino | | (reply to NthenSome) posted 18-Jul-2002 5:51am |
Mmmmm, maybe I should reconsider my new identity. I guess I was just born in the wrong country. |
| kaleb777 |
You forget what would happen if you tore down the border in total. Southern California would become the worlds largest shanty town. It would make the poverty of Soweto look like a birthday party and the social problems and disease outbreaks would be terrible. That amount of money prevents an estimated 500,000 entries a year. If there were no border the numbers would be much higher. 500,000 is the number of people intercepted. You know those refugee camps that the UN can't get food and medicine to in time to prevent starvation and epidemics? Those are usually the result of a mass migration of people to a place that can't cope with the influx. Most people who object to moves to control the movement of people to first world countries believe there is an endless capacity to absorb people who have no skills to offer and can't even communicate with the people of the country they are trying to move to. I think you'd find the cost to the US would be far in excess of the $20 billion currently spent if you take into consideration the schooling required to make many people employable (if there are jobs at all), the infrastructure required to deal with the demands on transport, energy, water, housing and waste disposal. The health care of people who have no way of paying for it. It's more than just $5000 per person if those people actually gained residency in the US. Sooner or later it is up to the people of the countries of origin to get their own houses in order. How many Mexicans do you believe should be permitted to move to the US? All 90 million? Where do you draw the line? |
| Biggles | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 21-Jul-2002 11:07am |
Good boy! I do my "liberal repetitions" every morning when I get up and every night before I go to bed and I'm well and truly taken in |
