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Do you believe flags that represent a single race of people rather than a country, state or city should be banned?

Perhaps you could imagine entering a store with a flag over the door that you know represents a race other than yours and considering how you would feel about it. What about a community where only such a flag flies and you are not a member of the race the flag represents? If you would feel uncomfortable, does that mean the flag is offensive and should be banned?

An example of a flag that represents a single race can be found here - http://www.ausflag.com.au/flags/ab.html

If you believe this flag is acceptable, consider a flag that represents only the Aryan people.



VotesAnswer
16No. Specific races should be permitted to represent themselves exclusively with a flag that does not represent people of other races.
11No for another reason.
8I don't know.
4Yes. Flags should only represent groups where it is possible for any race to belong. Flags that represent a single racial group to the exclusion of others should be banned.
2Yes for another reason.
2Other.
1It depends upon the race of people.

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Dino
posted 5-Jun-2002 7:58am  
Isn't this a bit of a leading question. Well the explanation bit anyway - "consider a flag that represents only the Aryan people.

This is not about race as such but about oppression and being in the minority.

So therefore I think its perfectly acceptable where people are a minority group.

For example consider the gay rainbow flag.


Okay so gay people are not a race but it still works from the same motive.
These are displayed above bars, shops, cafés etc. And people march down the street waving them. How do you feel walking into a building displaying a rainbow flag outside?

It only works if you are a minority group.
grmbrand
posted 5-Jun-2002 8:12am  
As I interpret it, freedom of speech prevents us from denying people the right to make a race-oriented flag. However, federal laws definitely cover appropriate flag usage and displays. A store owner might get away with putting up a racial flag in their window (certainly not in New England), but a community could definitely be taken to court over it.
Irene007 Survey Central Gold Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
posted 5-Jun-2002 8:57am  
No. People have always liked to identify themselves with some kind of symbolism. It gives them a sense of belonging. You can't stop them, it's human nature.

I don't think that a flag should be the cause of such offense; it's usually the issues surrounding it. Flag or no flag, the issues remain...
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(reply to kaleb777) posted 5-Jun-2002 9:02am  
You should have heard the raucous over a comment that the Quebec Provincial Minister (the one that wants to separate) said about the Canadian flag. He referred to it as a red rag then tried to make people believe that he meant the toreador's cape! Yeah right!

The whole thing made a lot of noise and to me was quite silly!
dab Survey Central Subscriber Gold Qualifier
posted 5-Jun-2002 9:03am  
So far as we know, there is only one race of people and that's humans. Maybe someday we'll meet another.

However, I think any group who wants a flag should not be attacked by others for simply having a bit of colored cloth.
ASB Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 5-Jun-2002 9:19am  
I have never heard of this
CarolL
(reply to ASB) posted 5-Jun-2002 9:37am  
Neither have I.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 5-Jun-2002 10:27am  
Yes. Flags that represent only one race are clearly racist and should be banned. I know an Anglo Saxon flag would probably be banned, so I don't see why flags that represent other races should be baned. Flags should only represent groups of people where it is possible for myself to be a member. It is implossible for me to be represented by a flag that does not represent my race. I think these flags are symbols of exclusion.
Enheduanna Survey Central Subscriber
posted 5-Jun-2002 10:30am  
No, because that's stupid.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Dino) posted 5-Jun-2002 10:39am  
This is about flags that represent single races. It isn't a leading question at all. The reason I included the example of Aryan people is because the politically correct usually apply different standards to non-white people then they do to white people. Most PC left leaning people would see no problem with a minority race having a flag that represents them alone but would balk at the idea of a flag that represents Aryans alone. I thought the Aryan example would make people think about the connotations surrounding flags based on a person's race. Your comment shows why I included this example. You said "I think its perfectly acceptable where people are a minority group." Don't you think that's a racist view? Do you think it's OK for the white separatists in Sth Africa who are clearly a minority and who want to form a white homeland to represent their race with a flag that could be hung over doors or at the entrance to certain communities?
ASB Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to CarolL) posted 5-Jun-2002 10:52am  
I am not aware of one but it is also possible that native american Indians have a flag. But they were in America before anyone else as were Australian Aboriginees so don't they have the right to have their own flag?
CarolL
(reply to ASB) posted 5-Jun-2002 10:59am  
I don't see why not. After all, it is just a symbol. Banning seems a bit extreme, doesn't it?
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 5-Jun-2002 11:05am  
No, not at all. People should be able to make whatever kind of flag they want, representing whatever they want. Where they display them is another issue.
ASB Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to CarolL) posted 5-Jun-2002 12:21pm  
Yes
cody
posted 5-Jun-2002 12:43pm  
How could anyone think this were a good idea, short of being a fascist?
southernyankee Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 5-Jun-2002 1:36pm  
No, I beleive in free speech as long as it doesn't pose a threat to public safty. I have never heard of race flags. And I don't know what you mean by ban. If they had existed, I think they're obnoxious, but never the less, they shouldn't be banned.
Zang
posted 5-Jun-2002 1:52pm  
It is just a flag. I really don't see what all the excitement is about. Why would anyone be bothered by this. There are very few flags which represent my heritage. Canadian Flag, B.C. Flag, various national flags representing my ancestry...I've seen all kinds of flags in stores and such that have nothing to do with me. It never occurred to me to have any negative reaction to this. I don't think that there is anything wrong with people having a little pride in their heritage. I'll grant that there is a bit of a grey area moving from patriotism to nationalism to racism and fascism...
Zang
(reply to Dino) posted 5-Jun-2002 2:04pm  
I considered that when I was thinking about my response. When I was doing the Building Superintendent thing, the majority of the tenants in the office building I was looking after were gay. Every year, for the first week in August, the Canadian Flag came down to be replaced by the Rainbow Flag. It wasn't unusual, the entire neighbourhood was flying them during Gay Pride Week.
msgman Silver Star Survey Creator
posted 5-Jun-2002 2:50pm  
No. I'm not entirely sure that I like the idea, but I'm extremely opposed to banning things just because people don't like them.
confetti
posted 5-Jun-2002 6:23pm  
It's a piece of cloth, for God's sake.
natsim
posted 5-Jun-2002 7:17pm  
I don't have a problem with this sort of flag, because it's based on inclusion of a people that have traditionally been excluded. It's kind of similar to the Rainbow flag used by the gay and lesbian community in that sense.
If a shop flies it, it would make me think "I guess this shop sells products made by Aborigines", or, "Perhaps this shop owner is Aboriginal" not "This shop is only for Aboriginal people to shop at".
mandy
posted 5-Jun-2002 7:27pm  
Just like the indigenous peoples of North America, the indigenous peoples of Australia were fudgeed over...as have been many different races, cultures, religious sects, and species on this planet. As sad as it is, this happens...the strong eat the weak. It's fudging nature. Human nature. The nature of the struggle for survival on this planet. Now, that said, I didn't eat them, push them off of their land, I wasn't born when all that happened. It is too late to change that. All I can do is personally not explore new regions, kill and or imprison or enslave the indeginous and exploit their lands for my own profit and well being and along with that I should be respectful to all races since beneath our skin...we're the same meat.

If it makes the Aboriginals or The Native Americans or anyone else whose group was exploited at one time, to feel better(as far as I know the Aryans haven't been exploited)then let them have a flag.
mandy
(reply to kaleb777) posted 5-Jun-2002 7:30pm  
white...non white.....
scalp us, skin us and poke out our eyes and we look the same. meaty...juicy...equals.
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
(reply to mandy) posted 5-Jun-2002 7:39pm  
So THATS what they mean by "We are all the same on the inside." I always wondered.
mandy
(reply to LindaH) posted 5-Jun-2002 8:05pm  
Makes you want a manbeef sandwhich, huh?
 * raspberry *
LindaH Survey Central Gold Subscriber Gold Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
posted 5-Jun-2002 8:18pm  
I'll stick with pancakes and syrup.  * wink *
Galomorro Bronze Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 5-Jun-2002 9:01pm  
I don't know cause I've never experienced such a flag pertaining to "race" alone -- just seen a few country flags represented, which is fine with me. I just saw someone's post re the gay "rainbow" flag. Well, this does not represent anyone's "race" or ethnicity cause EVERY race is represented by gay people -- so I would not count this as the same thing myself. But if you were going to speak of the rainbow flag also, I would cheer it as I consider it to represent tolerance for all races and sexual preferences, and this, to my way of thinking, is a "good thing." (Thank you, Martha Stewart...)
LuridHope
posted 6-Jun-2002 12:13am  
Flags do not represent race. Flags represent a set of ideals and beliefs agreed upon by a people unified by such ideals and beliefs.
Dino
(reply to kaleb777) posted 6-Jun-2002 5:02am  
In South Africa they are in the minority, population wise, but they are certainly not a suppressed people.

The purpose of a flag - any flag is about pride. Right now in the UK you can't move for Union Jacks and English Flags being waved around. We haven't behaved like this since Diana died.

Last year however I got pissed off when I heard that the left-wing council authority suggested to the local police station that they take down their Union Jack as it may be perceived as offensive and oppressive to the Local Ethnic Groups. This was because the National Front and the Nazi groups use the British Flag in their marches and logo etc.
Babygoat666
posted 6-Jun-2002 6:28am  
Nope Don't ban them freedom of speech and expression. However something that represents hate or oppression (i.e. Nazi flag is unacceptable
) I know this means there will be debates about what is offensive or oppressive but isn't that what we are all about? Even if I don't personally like a flag representing one ethnic type or identity, I will not join the PC police. All Americans, regardless of the minority of belief are able to express their opinion. The follow up to that is, no matter how wrong I think it is.
Iseult Survey Central Subscriber Silver Star Survey Creator Gold Qualifier
posted 6-Jun-2002 1:40pm  
No.
Frostbrand Bronze Star Survey Creator
posted 6-Jun-2002 11:24pm  
To be perfectly honest I don't care for flags. Flags are what evil people used in the Dark Ages to justify their stealing land from indignous peoples of varying regions.

"We own this land"
"Do you have a flag?"
"What? No."
"Ah-ha! Tkae it away boys*"

* Paraphrase from an Eddie Izzard bit.
natsim
(reply to Frostbrand) posted 7-Jun-2002 12:31am  
Remarkably appropriate in the case of this flag, too.  * smile *
Amanda
posted 7-Jun-2002 5:07am  
There are many flags that could be taken as being meant to represent one race. I live in the south. (Mississippi, USA) A flag that you will often see here is the Confederate flag, also known as the Rebel flag. Many non-whites see this flag as being racist. I do not see it this way. I believe that the Confederate flag is a part of my heritage and that I have every right to fly it high and be proud of it. Not long ago, we voted about our state flag. Black people were complaining about it. We ended up voting to keep the flag as it is. I have never understood why some people make such big deals over simple things. A flag is a flag is a flag. No matter how you look at it. It's a piece of cloth. If you don't like it, don't look at it.
kaleb777 Bronze Star Survey Creator
(reply to Dino) posted 8-Jun-2002 7:16am  
Another nutty idea brought to you from the loony left  * smile *
wolfchik9
posted 21-Jun-2002 2:05am  
Banning flags is a violation of free speech. I really don't care about people flying flags. That's their prerogative. In the Southern US, people fly "rebel flags" which are pro-white only, all other races are unwelcome. I consider them to be racist and irrational people but that's what they are and they are just maintaining their right to free speech.
Babygoat666
posted 26-Jun-2002 11:01am  
Many of the comments are quite amusing. Virginia won...

I had to share this related flag evaluation.

http://ekarjala.tripod.com/state_flags.htm
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