| User | Comment |
|---|
| justjulie |
yep |
| confetti |
No. Another chance to blather on about books though!  I'm obsessed with "The Two Towers" right now. It's my favorite of the series, I think. What I love: the depiction of the Ent-trees as wonderfully mystical things, full of memories. How one might think they see elf-children by the sweeping branches, but it's only an illusion. Elves dream with their eyes wide open; they merely walk among the strange paths of time in their minds. Legolas and Gimli trading orc-slaying stats. More character development on Legolas too. Interesting how Tolkien suddenly elludes to how old he really is (more than 2000 years, I believe) by having him refer to Gimli and Aragorn as "you children". Even in the books he seems incredibly young...bright, alert and strong. The hobbits seem older than him sometimes. I have a thing for Aragorn, though, right now. What a thing! A king of an ancient and noble lineage, although habituating grimy pubs. Going to Mordor to stalk Gollum, wryly ellaborating on "he will never love me, I fear, for I was not gentle" and other unexpected bits. Gathering hope from a green beryl found in a dark forest. Silent and grim, wise and valiant; in deep love with Arwen, averting his grey eyes from Éowyn's. *sigh* The "Azure" dolls will be better than the LOTR ones. I have a really clear idea on what they should look like. |
| mandy |
Nope |
romkey  |
i've read most of them |
| Oscar |
I've never heard of him |
| kaleb777 |
Never heard of him, but from what I saw of the site, he's a delusional wacko who has gained a following of similar people. |
| Biggles |
Never. |
| justjulie | | (reply to romkey) posted 8-Feb-2002 6:16pm |
same here....am on the search for the 2 latest ones though |
heyzeus1  |
yes |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 8-Feb-2002 6:51pm |
man, are you ever, ever so instantly judgemental! |
| Dino |
No, never heard of him. |
| romkey | | (reply to justjulie) posted 8-Feb-2002 7:30pm |
he died a year or two ago, didn't he? |
| kaleb777 | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 8-Feb-2002 8:17pm |
No, not instantly. I read a fair bit of that website and that's what I thought. It's not as if I haven't heard similar stuff elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned it's garbage. Until anyone can prove differently, including those people who follow such beliefs, I will continue to think so. |
| Zang |
I read "The Teachings of don Juan". I think it was in 1983. I thought it was okay. It didn't encourage me to go out and read any more. I did peyote once in 1981. I'd say it was the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted. I preferred LSD. At least LSD doesn't taste bad or make you puke. I don't know anyone who has eaten peyote that didn't puke. Nasty stuff. |
| romkey | | (reply to Zang) posted 8-Feb-2002 9:19pm |
I wanted to try peyote but never had the chance... I wanted to see mescalito from what I understand, you puke because of toxins in the skin of the cactus, not because of the mescaline itself. there are supposedly ways to prepare the peyote which allow you to take it without the puking... I'm not sure if that's actually true. I had the impression the puking was an important part of the set and setting. Otherwise you won't end up seeing any Native American puke demons |
| Zang | | (reply to romkey) posted 8-Feb-2002 9:29pm |
If you tasted it, there would be absolutely no question in your mind WHY you puked. Trust me. |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 8-Feb-2002 11:19pm |
what is it that you think is garbage? are you refering to the american indian religious beliefs? that is the main basis of don juan's teachings. how could i prove to you that a religious belief system is not garbage? we could easily argue that any religion is garbage, because there is no physical proof. that does not make the people who practice those beliefs wackos. |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to romkey) posted 8-Feb-2002 11:21pm |
sure, same thing with mushrooms. blend them upo in an orange juice smoothie and you don't get that awful taste and queesy stomach. i drank peyote tea once, but had to share it with five other people, so it really didn't do much. |
| romkey | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 8-Feb-2002 11:32pm |
i had fresh mushrooms dipped in salad dressing once. that was the way to go! i always hated finding nasty dried mushroom bits between my teeth when i was tripping hard... |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to romkey) posted 8-Feb-2002 11:46pm |
after i eat mushrooms, everything tastes like dirt for the whole day.
damn, all this talk about mushrooms, i am going to have to go find some. the growing season approaches! |
| romkey | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 9-Feb-2002 12:02am |
|
| justjulie | | (reply to romkey) posted 9-Feb-2002 7:16am |
yeah...he stepped out in '98 i believe. bummed me out for i had many dreams of meeting him and working w/ him, my dreams were especially vivid then. dream walked a lot!
what was the first book you read by him? |
| justjulie | | (reply to romkey) posted 9-Feb-2002 7:19am |
tried to grow our own shrooms once
didn't get very far for my "teacher" just left me be while i didn't have a clue what i was doing
first part of process is intersting though! |
| romkey | | (reply to justjulie) posted 9-Feb-2002 7:53am |
I can't remember any more... probably Don Juan.
I think I have to take back the "most" part - I didn't realize he'd written so many. I think I read the first four |
| justjulie | | (reply to romkey) posted 9-Feb-2002 10:09am |
ah... my first was "Journey to Ixtlan" i read it when i was 16. i was supposed to be going to summer school, but i would skip the class and go to this park and sit beneath this really big tree and read until it was time for my class to be done. i read 2 more after that...same deal. and slowly but surely i've added to my collection, i really don't have any of his more recent works, mainly all of the old stuff. i didn't realize that there were so many "new" ones either. the last that i knew of was the "Art of Dreaming"...but it appears to be many more after that one. anyhow...thanks, glad to know that there is someone else who has read his stuff. my hub has only read 2 that i know of, so that really doesn't count 'cause he likes to say he knows exactly, but doesn't, if that makes any sense. have a beautiful day my anti-comma friend!  |
| jkiehart | | posted 10-Feb-2002 8:36pm |
I think so. |
| jkiehart | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 10-Feb-2002 8:39pm |
I mix my shrooms in applesauce.
Uh, just sharing. |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 10-Feb-2002 11:48pm |
well, that's cool. the oj adds vitamin c tho, so you trip better. nothing wrong with that. |
| Kristal_Rose | | posted 11-Feb-2002 4:19am |
Read a few of them many years ago. There was legitimate stuff to learn in them, and they were useful as channeling sources. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 11-Feb-2002 4:24am |
Hot spiced apple cider is nice too. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 11-Feb-2002 4:27am |
I almost had a chance to meet him. He was a regular guest in an anthropology of religion class I had to drop back in Santa Cruz. Oh well. I've met a shaman and an inter-tribal chief that passed a lot of stuff on to me, though. |
| justjulie |
WOW!!!!!
that would have been pretty alright!
but i think that you were supposed to meet the shaman, rather than carlos. not a bad trade i think.
i know that if i'm supposed to be hooked up w/ someone, the meeting will happen. it's just the NOT KNOWING that drives me a little batty, am only batty when i think of it though.
have a beautiful day my friend. and remember to breathe... |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 11-Feb-2002 10:33pm |
Ah yes, I keep you in mind when I think of those on the 'Air' channel. I'm predominantly on the water channel, though I've explored fire this last year, and earth the year before that. Santa Cruz was an epicenter for McKenna, Leary types, which I never met specifically, but the vibes were in all the bookstores and radio programs.
I have indeed been thinking about breathing lately. |
| jkiehart | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 11-Feb-2002 10:51pm |
Is that really true? That smacks of urban legend. |
| justjulie |
thank you
the fire channel is almost chaotic, huh.
i feel that i am mostly in air and water as well. just the whole flow is smooth and sound. i don't believe that i've knowingly explored earth, am curious though.
i feel that the strongest flow was my time in colorado. air, water and played w/ fire.
i just got done talking to zang...love that guy....anyhow, i was telling him about the energentical flow of our space here in the city. it's not a healthy thing, that's for sure.
i was talking to him on the "celestine prophecy" survey, if you're interested. he provided a link from an older survey that is actaully pretty cool.
thanks again fro having me in the air, it means a lot, probably more than you know.
love you my freind, and have a beautiful day! |
| justjulie | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 12-Feb-2002 8:45am |
no, really that's true!
you should try it sometime, although i advise against consuming O.J. for the simple reason of the high acid content in it. for if you have a sensitive stomach, whooo-boy, watch out! won't be a plesant experience, that's for sure! |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 12-Feb-2002 10:01am |
Fire is unbridled passion that likes to exhibit transformative power. Water has no opinion but i steeped in it all. Air is above it.
Earth hit me most when i was held some crystals and went in meditation to crystal tunneling/teleportation like travel. think of those caves 10000 feet down with flowers made of crystals. I went to sleep one night and an underground deity (as monst of the major ancient deities of the americas were) came to me in a dream saying i had the fourth crystal (which was supposed to allude to my mind as well) required for this deities reinstatement, and asked for my assistance in the matter, I was in half consciousness considering this offer with distrust and was woken by an earthquake. A week later I cast an eartquake on the desk of my my boss who I felt needed an excuse to clean up 20 years (3 feet deep) of periodicals covering his conference table. That inter-tribal chief (not the shaman i mentioned) had a soul that felt like a condensed mountain (which I also attribute to his representing what was once a grander populace). Earth is hard for me to identify too. I don't think there's much of it around anymore. I don't think material focused mundane folks get it by default of not having the other connections.
Love ya too. |
| justjulie |
I agree w/ your last statement. I think that there isn't a default, must be a conscious effort.
WOW! that whole earthquake is awesome! i haven't been able to do anything like that for a long time, and i have never done anything that grand. i awoke my ex though, on a couple of occasions. one time, i broke a bic lighter that he was holding. another time, i kick started his heart while sleeping. that was pretty wild.
i wish i could dream again. i know that i do, but the little sleep i do get, i sleep. and if there is a dream factor to it, it's been a reflection of my thoughts and experiences for that day. it's been A LONG time for me to consciously dream.
like i said before...need to leave this home, for one w/ a better energetical flow. a more efficient one.
i've tried fung shui and practice it, but the whole location of this place has something to do with it as well.
we'll find something i'm sure |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 12-Feb-2002 9:31pm |
Me too. I had energy on my alaska vacation, but that's been it lately. Definitely far from quake level, though I have had a premoniton about a micro quake or two (roll to this side of the bed in case a knick-knack falls on your face during a jolt). I noticed dreams were just regurgitations too lately. That hasn't been the case in years.
.. like you noticed his heart wasn't ticking? That's intense. |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 13-Feb-2002 12:02am |
no, it is true, just like with acid. vitamin c is what is used up in your body as part of the trip, when it is depleted, so is your trip, and you may have a hangover. |
| heyzeus1 |
ever read/dreamed of the manitous? |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to justjulie) posted 13-Feb-2002 12:08am |
my energy in colorado was never good. scattered every time. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 13-Feb-2002 1:55am |
I don't know. What are they?
I'm happy. I wanted over this anti-supernatural slump and decided a couple days ago that I would have something unbreakable scoot across the room this week. I just had a backpack do that an hour ago. And the cats immediately attacked it.
Cool - set goals. I've never even seen telekinetics before.
Did quick shoddy research (till search tool failed). I'm familiar with and have an affinity for effervescent forces. I didn't know so much cool stuff was in Manitou Springs. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 13-Feb-2002 1:55am |
You've mentioned that scattering before. |
| justjulie |
when i look back on that night w/ my ex....i remember feeling that something wasn't right. i can't remember how or who or what. but i do remember the feeling i got.
i was against the ceiling looking down at him. (i wasn't next to him). he was lying on his back w/ his arms spread out. w/ just a simple quick powerful blow to his chest, and as soon as i did it, i was back curled up in a ball asleep. he jolted, and said "jesus christ!"
we never talked of that day, except for that morning when we woke up. all he said was that i hit him. i said i know. and we left it at that.
we never spoke of the bic lighter incident either.
alaska!!!! Oh...heyzeus and i have talked of going there. would still love to. but i don't think that it will happen until my folks cross.
|
| heyzeus1 |
the manitou were the indian cave gods of the area (and maybe other areas, i dont know). they lived deep in the earth, and sometimes the shamen could commune with them, though to see one could mean death. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 13-Feb-2002 2:38pm |
Perhaps then I was being one.
I read another definition simply as GreatMhitu spirit, and I was beamed directly full of that on a vision walk once. I was peering into a gift store with a white bison head at the end while some chants were playing, sort of wah va vay hey - yahwaey yahwey - Yod He Vav He - On the next leg I was walking on a pier that seemed to be white cross headed into the stars. It was a tour of history. I saw the roller coaster on another pier over the waves as the most ancient mariners. Sat on a sand castle as an ibis or phoenix to see that star navigation charts could be scrawled with my talons in the earth. Saw a man carving totems. I reached metals, two story dwellings, and recorded history by the time I left the beach. A new mosque was being constructed and I saw that the patterns represented a field of matter and fences of stars, and that it was a giant tomb with a golden antenna roof for teleporting souls to a lunar weigh station. I have died in so many ways already. Most of the time I forget that, and can speculate with the rest of them what happens when we die, but I already know this reality has as much substance as a dream. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 13-Feb-2002 2:39pm |
Did you see Pulp Fiction? That's been my favorite find lately; Repo Man's getting old. |
| heyzeus1 |
it is a dream,yes. but thank god (really wierd i typed dog just now) the life dream is not as chaotic for me as my sleeping ones.
thats funny, i can hear a medicine man chanting the hebrew and it sounds natural. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 13-Feb-2002 7:54pm |
I accidentally typed Great Mhitu instead of Great White: A search on Mhitu yielded a gatekeeper site for FreeBSD, http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/m00se.patch (weird steff on my mind lately), Biogenic Halocarbons, Medusae, and various surreal monster computer geeking billboards. Let sleeping dog's lie, I suppose. Yeah, I basically concluded white spirit energy was a universal constant. |
| justjulie |
yeah, i've seen it once or twice. wouldn't mind seeing it again though.
have you seen Fight Club?
Snatch?
ooh...there was this teally great film w/ Sean Penn. It was a Woddy Allen film. Penn played a guitar player from the '30's, i believe. can't think of the name though, but that film was really great. |
| heyzeus1 |
i like typing in garbage like 'computer butt monkey fang' to see what comes up. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to justjulie) posted 14-Feb-2002 4:42pm |
Haven't seen either. and that's one of those few woody allens i haven't got to either. What's to recommend them? |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 14-Feb-2002 4:44pm |
Me too. Usually I pick something with metaphysical significance for me and get an amplified return.
|
| justjulie |
all three of them have really good story lines.
my fav was the woody allen flick.
the other 2 have brad pitt in them, you know...i really don't like the guy, buy he just always seems to play an amazing/crazy role |
Enheduanna   | | (reply to justjulie) posted 15-Feb-2002 6:29pm |
Sweet and Lowdown. Excellent movie. |
| justjulie |
ahh, yes!!! thank you! |
| kaleb777 | | (reply to heyzeus1) posted 18-Mar-2002 1:08am |
How do you prove any religion is true? I could start worshipping turnips. If bad things happen I can say the turnips are testing my resolve. If good things happen I can say turnips are rewarding me for good deeds. That's why religion is an ingenious way of controling people. No matter what happens there is an explanation. I see no difference between established religions or new religions. I may think a religious belief is nuts but I believe people have the right to believe what they like. That doesn't change the fact that some religious beliefs are wacked, or at least wrong. They all can't be right after all. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 18-Mar-2002 4:41am |
Some of us do expect our experience to match the beliefs. That is often associated with sorcery by the pure faith types though. I can't say I get how people believe in things with no matching experience either. I also believe the majority of religion has little to do with spirituality. I believe they can be simultaneously right though. Some could got to heaven while others reincarnate in their grandchildren; some go to the void while others become eternals, hey why not, an omnipotent God could make those arrangements. |
| heyzeus1 | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 18-Mar-2002 1:38pm |
you cant prove anyt religion is true. by the same fact, you cannot prove it untrue either. |
| kaleb777 |
I don't know which of those things if any really will happen to me when I die, but I do believe that what people believe has little to do with where the "Great Architect of the Universe" to use a Masonic term, with send their spirit. It's good to talk deeply with someone again |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 19-Mar-2002 2:28am |
I don't know either. I know I'm made of God, and God seems to be eternal. It seems likely, philosophically, that the purpose my evolving consciousness serves, will continue to serve some purpose, but maybe I will fade back into it all with no awareness.
I can often dig through the akashic records for ancient histories. Those memories exist in God, and it seems they are meant to be experienced. That I believe is a large part of our job, and theres no reason to believe it stops, other than we are a collective identity and other parts can take up the work. I had a dream when I was 14 about some highly complex sheet music that built larger waves with more fractalling as it went along, smaller notes, more exotic textures, greater volume ranges, etc etc. It was suddenly cut off with the explanation that although the pattern was clearly defined, at a certain point it exceeded human hearing and human made instruments. But still it was defined into eternity by it's pattern. and so are our lives, so it read. So at 14, that was my first indication that there are new planes of existence for our life patterns to continue. The changes between planes dhave been radical enough already to suggest that losing my skin wouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle to development. |
| kaleb777 |
You know the Mormons believe we are all potential Gods, and we will continue to progress after death until we acheive a Godlike state. Death to us would be considered birth to those welcoming us to the next plane. When I was around 14 I believed that when I closed my eyes I could see a small pattern right in the center of my vision that was the face of Satan - too far away for me to make out clearly, but moving closer day by day. Fudge knows where that idea came from!  |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 19-Mar-2002 11:59pm |
My belief isn't too unlike that held by the mormons. I think a lot of planes happen here, possibly even one's own planet (yet without denying others the same potential). Sounds like an unfortunate vision. I expect the idea came from your mom's fears. |
| kaleb777 |
I think it's best that I never pass on my crap to any kid. I caught my mother blaming herself for the way I am a few month ago. She said she has never been able to tell what's going on behind my eyes. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 20-Mar-2002 9:28pm |
Don't worry about what you pass on to your kids. It will happen even if you dedicate yourself to avoiding it. About the best you can do is marry someone and bring in constant friends that have qualities that counter-balance your own. |
| kaleb777 |
No. Kids are definitely not my thing. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 21-Mar-2002 2:09am |
'No' what? I know kids aren't your thing. |
| kaleb777 |
No, I won't be having kids. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to kaleb777) posted 21-Mar-2002 2:31am |
I guess that's one sure way to not pass on things you don't like about yourself. |
| kaleb777 |
Exactly. |
