i am not at all suprised that this is happening.
it sucks.

I can see it could have quite a few benefits. But I suppose it could be abused.

Yikes!

I don't see why this has to have negative connatations??? I can see several benefits......

I had a nighhmare like this once....
My younger sister and I were both homeless and lived in the streets of a big industrial city. We were reclusive and secretive because the government had deemed us "rebels." That is- we had rejected the new dictatorship and were thus rejected. Everyone had microchips in their arms. You had to scan your arm at the grocery store to get food. If you were a rebel, the scanner beeped like crazy and the cops came and arrested you. So we had to steal all of our food.
Then they started to track us down by the chips in our arms. So I took a knife and cut part of my arm off so the government could not track me down and most likely imprison and torture me.

My cat has one. She likes it!

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to have this sort of thing required by law within my lifetime. I think it's more likely though that such a law will be proposed and then they'll settle on a "compromise" which doesn't seem quite so horrific but which is much worse than we have now. I also expect to see these required for whatever classes of people are easy to demonize at the time the law is passed.

About the article? OK.

It gives off a good deal of information about the object it speaks of. The quotes from the doctors and other people help out, though there could be a few more for the other examples. And while it tells of the signifiginces, it only brushes that there are hinderences. It doesn't even say what could be bad about it (privacy, but DUH!), just that there are bad things which could happen.

Now, I bet you really want the my belief on what the article speaks on. I think it is good. It could be used bad, but there are ways around it. Privacy? Don't get one. Get one and it is used against you, you took the risk (a contract saying "I agree" would be good). I think it would help a lot. It's not playing God, as some might say. It's simply common sense if you ask me.

hhhmmm, it could be everything they are saying but it could(as almost anything else) be used to the detriment of the people of a society. big brother could watch us in many more ways than we want!

of course there are benefits. they are not worth the potential abuse. maybe our governments have not run amock yet, but when they do, they'll be using these technologies against us.

of course! they are talking about using something like it on prisoners already.

hopefully the government is not listening to you through your cat.
...ha!

the point is, this type of thing could easily be mandated. give it a decade.

Don't care for it. They've already done it on pets.
It's not necessary, even for the objectives of what the creators had in mind. ATM machines can identify people by their iris's as they walk down the sidewalk, DNA tests are improving, Dosimetry (tri-nuclear emissions) can identify people from sattelites.
I'm searched (or at least have to check my bag) almost every day I go on errands lately. I've learned to not let it jar my psyche and not take it personally. I don't care for Brave New World thinking in which we all have to do things in the same way instead of being unique. For instance I wish I could build my own home while I lived in it. I've studied architecture most of my life, but building codes don't allow for organic spontaneous construction that hasn't been pre-approved and done through licensed contractors.
They have gastro-intestinal that can be swallowed in a pill to transmit photos of your stomach lining. Eventually (soon) this sort of technology will become the wireless internet implant where all our thoughts become public record in exchange for unlimited entertainment/information access.

Perhaps this was done in prehistory. Look at the those jewel bindis on the foreheads of Indians, possibly operating on a crystal ball level. (microchips are crystal balls).
I recall when the DoD was getting nervous about potential wtc sort of folk living in farm basements away from surveillance, so they planned on making ID sneakers and internet writing pens (not everyone uses a computer). A year later the NY marathon was tracked by transmitters buirlt in shoelaces and ToysRUs was selling pens with several internet voice mail accounts.

No thanks!!!I like the Natural me. Just give me a regular ID card,so I can identify myself.Thank you.

First the Euro money,now this? It sounds like something right out of the book of Revelation.

I wonder why bad punctuation bugs the hell out of me.

What I think of the idea? I think it's the dumbest and most unnecessary piece of crap ever. Children in Africa are dying because they have no milk! What the fudge is their problem, spending money on this kind of thing?

That aside, O'Harrow Jr. is venerable. (bowing).

If it was proven not to make me uncomfortable or cause pain, I would only want it to 1) increase intelligence, and/or 2) for life extension purposes.

If all thoughts could be accessed by anyone, then no one could be "mysterious" or an enigma. We would be depriving some people of something they want to be.

I don't see why we just can't use ID cards and iris recognition. I don't exactly see the point of having it in your body. Your ID could have your DNA, fingerprint and eye info in it, so no one could steal it and try to pretend they are you.

I find it rather frightening, actually. I suppose if some bozo put 666 on his head no one would see the significance either.

Good point. I think, though, I would still support it.

This is a tough one...
I can see all the benefits of it, locating missing people, identifying bodies, preventing impersonations, preventing kidnaps but....
I find that people who object to this kind of thing, invariably have something to hide.
I personally don't like the idea of "Big Brother" having the capability to access everything that I do or have done. I think it's eerie.

So my answer is;

I like it and I hate it so I don't want it, just in case I find myself wrapped up in something I can't control - I can always walk away and forget about it - with a chip, I don't know if I can do that so easily...

It's really easy to object to this kind of thing, while having nothing to hide.

Yeah... I guess you're right!

I hate it!

intresting idea

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev13:16,17)

The technology itself could be really useful, but it might be really problematic. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would not want a chip and would want to have more control over what information goes into that chip.

Well said.

Abject Horror. Followed by deep fear and then, hollow depressed resignation (my usual, not-always-a-good-thing, response to fear, horror, and outrage). I feel my chest tighten, my breathing get shallow, and my lips purse tightly. It is only with strong will-power that my teeth are not clenching and grinding. I become aware while reading it, that all the muscles in my face and back are tightening up.

I guess you would call that an over-all negative response.

More likely, I would think, than government mandate, would be the so-called-free enterprise solution. It would work like the grocery cards- they're voluntary, you don't *have to* have all your purchases monitored and tracked, unless, of course, you're in a financial situation that does not allow you to pay an additional 10-20% for you food in exchange for privacy. Likewise, I can easily imagine an HMO offering the implants, on a "voluntary" basis, to members for a 15% "discount" in their insurance (all other insurance, in other-words, is marked up by 15%. This would help protect the HMO from doctor negligence, which happens when they are so understaffed that reading and maintaining proper health records is a burden instead of an assumed part of their job. Rather than the government mandating or getting involved at all, it's simply allowed to happen, because, well, "you can always go someplace else if you don't like it..." until you can't.

I am 2/3 enthusiastic and 1/3 concerned about that.

I see bad idea written all over it. there is no way that I would allow this in me or my children. Scary thought that my movements could be tracked. It reminds me of the movie Star Wars (1st episode) All the slaves have chips implanted in them and the boy says "Any attempt to escape and they BLOW you up" It is scary what this world is coming to at times.

Its the way forward

Okay my initial main reaction to this article was the news that people in the WTC attack wrote their name etc. on their arm. I would never have thought of doing that. Scary really. and now it's got me all upset. As far as the chip thing - I pray it never becomes compulsory but I can see the practical advantages.
But then from a spiritual point of view I believe its not healthy to have such stuff in your natural body - but then neither is my current addiction to strawberry flavour milk.

I honestly think it is the beginning of prophecy being fulfilled. I wouldn't have it done to myself and I don't think it should be forced on people, even prisoners. If people want to have an I.D. chip in their own bodies, that's their right.

I read an article somewhere that said these I.D. chips made by that company had 18 numbers which were 3 sets of six. I don't know how true that is, though.

Partly I like it and partly I don't. It sounds like something that could at some point be badly taken advantage of. But then again, it doesn't seem all that different than having a driver's license or a passport. It's reasonable to want to be able to positively identify people; why not get rid of some of the paper involved in the process?

I think it's horrific and all too predictable. When a relative in the military told me a few years ago that they were testing things like that on military, and that in years to come it would probably become commonplace, and finally mandatory throughout society, I was not sure whether to believe him. Now I do. Just like the Citizen Number --er, I mean "Social Security" number, which began as an optional government retirement program, which really only applied to wage-earners, but eventually became used as the very thing they promised it wouldn't, to the point that babies can scarcely be taken home from the hospital without their Number. Don't be surprised if gullible people who won't value their rights and privacy until it is too late, go out in droves to get chips implanted in their pets and then children "To protect them if they get lost or abducted!" Before you know it, every baby born will have this infernal chip implanted in them at the hospital before they go home, and anyone who makes noise about it or argues their right not to have one, will be hit with ridicule and a huge stack of red tape paperwork to fill out.

This is the kind of Brave New World future I always hoped I wouldn't live to see. Maybe if more people wake up in time, and realize that once they give away privacy and individualism, it will be nearly impossible to regain, maybe we can avoid that future.
Our nation was founded on, amongst other things, ideals about individualism and revolution. It's too bad that it is so much easier just to be a consumption unit seeking to fulfill material appetites, than it is to be responsible for our part in making society what it is. We really can change the future, and we do it everyday, whether we realize it or not.

Wow- somebody else gets it!

And it horrifies me to see that some people in SC have already defended the idea with the concept that only criminals or people "with something to hide" would object to it. That is exactly the same argument that is made to silence objectors every time another bastion of human individuality and freedom is torn down. How frightfully short-sighted! Picture yourselves in the future that would result. Do you like what you see?

Yup. It's hard to imagine anything related to health care as being free market given how regulated that industry is but your scenario definitely strikes me as plausible. However it comes about (children, prisoners, health care), the direction we're heading seems pretty clear. In the end, getting by without the implant will be very difficult and anyone who complains about it will be viewed with the same suspicion as someone today who complains about social security numbers.

It's not that people have something to hide, they just don't want everyone to know whether or not they have anything to hide. Seriously, though. It's none of anyone's business.

Wow, when my wife MrsBBear informed me of this survey, at first my attitude was one of little concern. Then I began to think, "AAGGHHH that age old thing that many people don't do in these days."

Not getting into the pseudo religious aspect of the "Number of the Beast". Just thinking common sense, two paragraphs of data, your social security number, your drivers license, your date of birth, your address and phone number, your link to the world genealogy tree. That is just some of the information that will be stored in a 'Tic Tac' in your arm.

Thanks, No lets look at something, we have major problems with Credit Card Thief, and Identity Thief now. Now we are talking about doing something that could make stealing, those two things so very simple.

All a thief would need to get that information from someone would be to acquire a scanner, or build a scanner, and then they could have all that information simply by walking within “FOUR FEET” of your information ‘Tic Tac’.

Now please in your mind picture two things, The Mall America filled with happy Christmas shopper.

Now picture our guest star Roger Out of work computer salesman and small time hacker and thief. Roger is walking down the middle of The America Mall, with a scanner under his jacket and his scanner is set to record, or it is attached to a palm pilot where all the data is being recorded.

Now Roger has close to 250 scans, simply by walking by the 2500 people in the mall. He heads home and doesn't have to worry about working for another month.

Some of you are going to say, ya right, nope, nope, nope not going to happen. It’s ok some people not concerned with Software Piracy, says it doesn’t affect me. A few years ago the F.B.I. arrested a 19 year old that was the leader of a huge software piracy ring. His home was worth five million dollars, he owned two, two million dollar cd presses, something like six cars.

Software Piracy doesn’t affect the millions of people that have illegal copies of Windows on their machines. “It just so expensive”, I say “Learn Linux it’s free.”

It happens under our noses, and no one cares till it’s to late, till it effects them, then they are upset how could our people let this happen.

It is that mentality that allows absurd things to be passed as laws “It doesn’t effect me, I have nothing to hide. Why are you worried, do you have something to hide.”

It is statements like that that allow our rights and freedoms to be taken away. The other good one is “For the greater good some will need to sacrifice.” Any law, or any process that forces some to sacrifice, is inherently evil in my book.

“Evil, a phrase that has been clouded in mystery for millennia. Let me use the words NOT GOOD, in place of evil, anything that strips people’s rights is not FREEDOM. This country was founded on the principles of FREEDOM.

Remember; be careful of the things that we allow today for simplicity, for tomorrow they might strangle us with simplicity.

I would like to thank the Survey Creator for being the first to open my eyes on this beautiful January Day.

-MrBBear

Yup. I agree all around. I don't trust "government interference" any more than I trust "free-market/ corporate profit goals." Sometimes it seems like the two almost make a system of checks and balances against each other, which would be nice, but usually all the elected officials are on all the boards of directors for all the corporations, they're both on the same side, and as far as I can tell, it's all one big happy circle-jerk, for them, and nothin good for Joe Citizen.

Which is why my reaction to the article was as I first describe.

Hmm. Interesting.

Maybe permanent tagging - like from birth - could be negative but if it was legal for temporary periods. The idea of tracking down emergency workers, or even people who set off to climb Everest is a good one.

sure its all good ideas. but there are many reasons a person might not want to be found besides the obvious criminal ones. we both have greedy governments. suppose they decided to sell the information to telemarketers so they would always know how to track you down and bug you. what if you owed debts. what if you were a celebrity. somebody would always have the potential to know where you are and what you are doing. this is no simple technology. in arizona they often put people on house arrest because the jails are full. these people wear bracelets similar to the ones described in the article, but they are introducing ones that sends an alert to the cops if the person drinks alcohol. they can also detect heart rate, which might indicate to the police that the person might be doing something bad, there inside their house. these things start innocent enough but they could concievably be used to control people, or kill them. the technology is possible. maybe we trust our governments now, but suppose they implant these things in us and something changes....our government changes is overthrown or invaded whatever. who will be controlling the implants then?

ever read julian may - the golden torc?
its a good story about this type of thing in prehistory

the microchip could be tracked and used to control body functions

Oh how fun it would be to get ahold of that! Someone giving you a hard time? Make them soil their pants!

ha! the poop zapper!
belive it or not i had heard of this in real life. supposedly there is a certain frequency that can make your bowels let go.

I heard of it too. Developed in Japan, I think.

Old news!

You go dude!! You tell it like it is!!My sentiments exactly.

**much applauding & whistling**

How's her style? Full of content, or wishy-washy dialogue? I put it on my list. Thanks.

Some call it "myth"?

dont you think the possible problems outway the possible benifits.

the poo gun is supposedly real. a friend of mine had a college proffesor who has actually built one. says it works, although ive never witnessed its effects.

your cat is going to explode on new years eve 2003. those chips they put in peoples pets are to put a lethal weapon in every home in america.

I wonder what it was developed for. War? Maybe I'll look it up.

I think that it is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. I think it is the mark of the beast and I will never have one implanted on myself or my children (if I have kids). I think it's a sign of the end of the world and the coming of Christ. It scares me.

If I was cute I would temporarily log on as 'Goldilocks' and come out with some witty comment on the presence of a Mr Bear and a Mrs Bear.
But I'll save you the trauma.

BTW Your hubby sounds very smart. *thumbs up*

its only prophecy if its on your right hand or forehead. even though this seems freaky enough!!

It's just the slippery slope. Anything could potentially make you fall to the bottom if you pushed it far enough - the challenge is to control it so it never actually takes you to the brink.

Oh I agree, there are hundreds of drawbacks and potential problems. I would hope it would be possible to legislate to avoid them as far as possible. Maybe make them purely voluntary - for people to be tracked if it's going to be necessary. For example if they're setting off on an expedition up Everest or entering a burning building. There are plenty of ethical problems associated with forcing people to be tagged. There was something similar used here I think - people were let out of prison early and tagged with a bracelet around their ankle. The police could find them if the didn't meet their parole officer and ensure they were avoiding areas they'd been banned from.

she may explode sooner than that...she looks like she's swallowed a bowling ball

big thick books full of content. the golden torc is a series of three about time travel great books. a time machine is built, somewhere in france and the inventor dies. the machine itself is one way to one time only (a period after dinosaurs and before man) and anyone going into the machine doesnt know where they are going or if they will die. anyway, only criminals and desparate people use it. anyway they are deposited into this place and time where, a race of grander beings (likened to the elves) are enslaving them with the use of psionic neck rings. all said, the two races eventualy breed to create...the human race. there i summed up about 3000 pages for you. still very much worth reading, though julian may is a very creative and thoughtful author.

So it's written by a creative mind, not by someone who's actually been somewhere.

well, i guess.

the human race, or the people that make these decisions for us, wichever way you look at it, doesnt seem, historically speaking to be very good at handeling these kind of challenges.

On some things, not everything.

i wanted to ask you if you had to pay for the implant in your cat, what the vet. told you it was for and what it has done for your cat since she's had it?

We adopted our cat from the Humane Society. The adoption fee they charged covered spaying her and the microchip, and her vet check and shots. The microchip is tiny and was pushed beneath the skin of her neck with a little hollow needle. It is just like getting a shot. The chip can be scanned through her fur and skin and will bring up a tracking code of sorts that when entered into a computer identifies us as her caregivers and lists our address and phone # so that if she becomes lost or kidnapped we can get her home again. She also gets 4 different FM radio stations when we twist her nipples.

what are you doing playing with your cats nipples. i think there is another survey about bestiality.

She likes it!!!!

Sounds pretty cool. What about it? Probably scares those schizo christians crapless.

That's so disgusting to me. Technology is overiding our lives (as I type from a computer) and it's horrible, and this is so Orwellian 1984-ish that it SCARES me. This is horrible.

im not a schizo christian and it still scares me. as much as you seem not to like authority i would think you wouldnt like the idea of giving up more of your privacy to those in authority

Hmmmmm.... Unfortunately, something that could be used to the good, can also become something for evil purposes. I can see it may be advantageous in some areas, but I still feel uncomfortable with it.

Privacy? To implanted chips? You must be silly. You can be tracked, by the meter, on your cellular phone, even retroactively.

i dont have a cell phone, and even if, why should i give up even more.

Technology is amazing, I think it could be used for good but of course it seems so many things like this that are meant to help are used to "get" people...and no I am not paranoid...lol

This article makes me feel relieved that the end is near. I think I will get to see it in my generation. I have only read and heard talk of what it would be like. People of all generations thought it would happen in their lifetime, but if you know anything about Revelations and believe in it this should excite you too because it speaks of this very thing. It's what we as believers like to call the "Mark of the Beast". I could only hope I would get to see the Second Coming of our Saviour. I won't apologize if I sound a little off the wall to some, because in my eyes the type of talk in this article is just what I've been waiting for. We all have the ultimate choice ahead of us ladies and gentlemen. That is: Do we choose eternal life or eternal death ("the mark")? Once that choice is made it's all rather simple actually. The answer should be obvious.

I'll take the mark.

yup

wat duh fuk?

Sounds like something out of the book of Revelations in the Bible

Cool!