Have you ever been to see a psychic or fortune teller?

The creepy robot at Disneyland's Main Street.
In all honesty, I hated everything about Disneyland except Main Street. I got on ONE ride. The candy was too expensive. Oh well.

No I don't belive in them.Miss Cleo calls me all the time.If she was REALLY psychic,she would know not to call me,cause I don't believe in all that stuff.That's so phoney.

Nope, never thought of it either.

Nope, I have never been but do plan to some time.

My Mum went to one(palm reader) and the first thing she said was 'you have two sons both by a different father' - this is true.

I have e-mailed Kristal Rose - does that count?

Never have, no intention of.

No, never, and don't plan to (sorry K_R)

No. Bunch of horsecrap if you ask me.

I wouldn't say I wasn't "convinced", but my expectations were extremely low.

No, and I don't plan to, but I might do it sometime.

I went but it was just for fun.

I went to a palm reader once. And I've had a few tarot readings done. I wasn't exactly convinced, but I thought some of it was interesting.

Yes... and I have to admit I was a little convinced. But I WANT to believe in that stuff, so I lean toward that.

Other, Yes and I was ambivalent

I've visited them to do free readings for them, being one myself, to help improve their services.

You get what you believe in. Scientists believe in random probability.

Try equestrafecomancy perhaps.

Yeah, stop listening to cleo, what could she know.

I don't think that I care to get involved in it, I feel it is evil, But thanks.

Many of them are fakes. I truly believe that if God blessed you with psychic powers, then it is morally wrong to charge people money. God gave you a gift and it's wrong to charge people for using your gift. Jeanne Dixon started losing her psychic powers when she started taking money for doing horoscopes for people.

Good answer. I agree with the money thing. I really believe that there are REAL ones out there, especially those who help the police solve cases.

lol lol lol lol You seem to have gotten your sense of humor back! Yay! Glad to have you back to the way you were.

I found myself able to dance and sing and leave the house finally today to run all sorts of errands. First time I've been further than the mailbox since my return home. did my nails last night, but that wasn't quite the turn around yet. I've been setting 3 alarms and sleeping through them till sunset. Last night I finally asked God to wake me up and got a terrible racket at noon (tree trimming in the yard), I was grouchy to start but being up in the sun made up for it.

I never charged for mine, instead i seem doomed to live on a mental disability, but I've sure geared up for business before. Which would you consider better, charging a modest fee for services, or not using your gift because you are too tired when you get home from flipping burgers all day instead of doing readings? The state is maintained with continual usage, something bookkeeping or computer programming distract you from. Many places tax you to death for even attempting it (if they allow it at all), putting you in a special category with tattoo artists and circus performers with a heavy license. I was sitting on a public bench in Santa Monica, CA practicing by doing split second readings of everyone passing and the police made me put my cards away in case someone was tempted to ask me for a paid reading. I was travelling penniless at the time, and certainly wouldn't have refused them.
God gives us many gifts; should we refuse to become engineers or professional athletes as well?
Perhaps what concerns you is people paying for an unfair advantage. When I do readings, it is about how to make the best use of ones life (especially consciousness), not about how to gain fame or fortune, though finding the most fulfilling, best serving work often leads to that as well.

I don't really equate engineers and athletes on the same plane as someone with psychic powers. You may be born with the talent in you to become these, but I believe that psychic powers are meant to be a gift for which you should not charge. This is a belief that I stand by.

Those most psychically gifted that I meet rarely work. They tend to live on the street, be living on disability (like me), or some other weird alternative life style that bears little resemblance to 9-5 employment, and something closer to a vow of poverty. Living in a mystical state of consciousness does little for ones ability to follow procedures, think linearly, and make a traditional income. Perhaps I if I left mystical consciousness, I could prosper there as well, but I haven't seemed to be able to do that without attempting the sacrifice. I have attempted working though. As an office assstant I couldn't keep my mind straight enough to pay the bills on time, which was half my job. Once I discovered that I had been sitting in front of my computer in a trance while the doctor was in therapy with a client. On the other hand, I worked for the census bureau for a couple months and didn't lose any capacities. People would ask for help on a document and I'd see the ID number in my mind while they were 15' away; someone would say that a 1 1/2" stack of papers was absolutely correct and I would grab the one page in the middle of the stack with errors, etc., and though I did more work than the rest of my cohort, I also had plenty of opportunity to do tarot readings, learn aura sculpting from a co-worker, etc. All I can conclude from my past failures and successes is that I am meant to be employed in the public interest, not private enterprise, if at all. I sure can't complain though, I'm given plenty of wonderful opportunities that few could buy.
You still haven't answered 'why' you believe that. A few psychics might get off the streets if people thought differently. I can imagine several reasons, but don't which is yours. I don't put them on the same plane either, but it does have in common 'being what one does best'.

Yeah I know what exactly what you mean.Sometimes our gardener will do that to me too & whit all the pillows I have I still can't block out the sound or the sunlight.

I can't really explain the "why" part other to say that I have always believed that if you misuse a God-given gift, you will have that gift taken from you.

Misuse, that I'd agree with, and perhaps as an occupation people would be tempted to misuse it. I just remembered, years ago I was a paid psychic; One of those 900 line types. Although you pay $2-4/min. they only make 20-25¢/min. It didn't nearly pay my rent. At the same time I was going through a series of interviews for a $100k/yr computer analyst position. At the last minute of my rent I ended up throwing all my belongings on the sidewalk and taking off on a bicycle camping sabbatical up the no. california coast where I met a few saint & shaman types and found God would pay for all my living expenses like food and motel rooms. Best thing I ever did. That knowledge is worth far more than $100k/yr. I don't think the majority of people even understand what constitutes abuse. My job as a programmer could only automate thousands of people out of work so that my coworkers could drive fancy sports cars or get swimming pools.

exactly. I know it can be explained away, but I always believed tarot was bullcrap because technically, if you went to two readers right after each other the cards should be the same because nothing has changed in that time, and if it has changed enough for the cards to be different then going for a reading seemms pointless anyway since as soon as you leave the tarot reader your future changes anyway.

I agree with you on the future changing. We evolve quite a lot. A snapshot of our present, future, and even past (since it served mutiple contexts) becomes outdated with each new revelation. Thor was told not to go to the ghost town. As I return to kristal, it becomes appropriate again. When I do readings on the future, I refrain myself to the best qualities and environment one should seek, and describe any future as what one is likely to do if they don't change their mind. I believe that our minds/decisions are actually god's plan, but also that the plan is being written on the fly, even though I do have visions of the future at times. It's a subtle paradox I can only understand with my higher mind.

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You don't believe that God knows our future actions? This brings me to a fundamental flaw in my belief logic. I believe God is ALL powerful, meaning his technology is so advanced that he is capable of anything, including altering the behaviour of elements (walking on water, changing water to wine etc), and seeing the past present and future. I also believe this life is a test. Some of us have been given an easier test than others. I consider my test quite hard, but a could not cope with being given a crippled body. Other people seem to have easier tests. I believe our lives test us depending on how advanced we were before birth. My problem is, if God is all knowing, why is a test necessary? Surely any outcome is already known by the tester. Now, either the test is for our benefit alone, because God knows how we will act here, or God is NOT all seeing! Either way I find it hard to accept. If God is all powerful and all seeing, he could assign us a reward or punishment without having to go through this whole Earth thingy, and we would know that his decision is correct. These are some of the questions that when asked, I am answered with the observation that I don't have enough faith and I shouldn't question so much. However, if the plan is being written on the fly as you believe, wouldn't that make it difficult for a chain of events to be 'organized' that lead to favourable Earthy reward for a certain act (call it karma if you must) if God, or whoever is doing the organization doesn't see the reward in the future? It's mind boggling.

Whew, the crippled body test was a hard one.
If I were to change one thing about your being, it might be the belief that there is something better down the road. I took my crawling body and nearly leaped through the sky with it, dancing, climbing, etc. and the universe sent back an ecstatic reflection of this activity in the fireworks shows and such. I took the bad with the good and am glad for all of it. That I overcame a situation that had me wishing for a gun makes it all the better. That was for my benefit, and i believe it to be also the sort of experience by which god has a creation. It being written on the fly makes it much easier actually; what is in your mind now.. ..surround you with experience to match: So'n'so is my friend at the moment, the music is about god, i can change the colors of candle flames, my political policies have been adopted; why was this not all the case yesterday? i was someone/something else yesterday with different needs and expectations. i could easily drive myself crazy trying to figure out what was different about all those events, phenomenen, peoples attitudes, etc. that led to their taking todays course, just as you could go crazy trying to relate it all instead to who you are today. Embedded in the past is the capacity to go anywhere, just as a car can turn any direction regardless of the path it's travelled. A far as the interaction of it all, think of a genetic computer,from the stance of any gene, everything lines up nearly instantly depending on who they are. Sure, you could record a history of the chemical reaction, but why bother. Getting our karma back isn't that complex. So a gal is right at the intersection waiting with a free taxi, it could have been done a billion other ways too. I do know a way that would help you understand this stuff better though. You are a bottom up thinker, which is to say molecules form materials, form objects, interact. I believe God works the other way: Dream, light-dark, archetypes, issues, stories, interactions, events, objects, electrons. If not for top down thinking, transistors would never have become word-processors. You've heard the old adage 'let the details take care of themselves'? It's like the limitations I was mentioning amongst some psychics in the prior comment due to bottom-up thinking, not top-down. I realise as I say this that that is even the crux issue of my own sense of capacity. When I'm operating bottom-up, i've severely curtailed my possibilities.
Earth is not some torture playground unless that's what you ask for. That dark phase in my Thor days was about wishing it all away to get to the next universe, after finding that half of what I had experienced my whole life had been a deceit. When I stopped trying to escape, I discovered that abundant heavens and hells happen right here, in this body. I became more a buddhist, seeing that it was about the experience now, not some undefined goal in a future i came to realise has not been created yet. I challenge you to envision a better next universe. You have your choice of physics, senses, emotions, freewill, coincidence, karma, sensations of intrigue,love,lust,quandary, you name it. As I contemplate this over the years (given the liberties and phenomenon I have experienced), I have been unable to improve upon the existing plan. As apparently some of your elders have commented upon, you might require a bit more wisdom to see the vast hidden virtues of the existing plan. It is for our freedom and experience. I think your contemplations will dead-end unless you switch to some top-down thinking, though still keeping in mind that you have a role as witness. God's had me in training for years. I was made to give up many thoroughly ingrained concepts like 'should', 'reward/punishment'. Contrast the sorts of mindsets that you feel might naturally belong to heaven or hell. One liberation. Yes, it is mind boggling. The mind you are employing now will not be able to make sense of it, but I encourage you to keep trying, because it can at least accomodate vaster landscapes, but it is a follower, there will always be something out of it's reach. I'm glad you have some other help out there. They seem to speak some wisdom. I've found that many of my teachers have done a 180 at the moment I placed faith in them, so keep your caution. Break out of your box. Contemplate from places you haven't been before.

I am very cautious with regards to supposed 'wisdom' supplied from 'above'. I realise I apply human logic to God, and who can know what his/her agenda is really? I have reached a "safe" place and am reluctant to venture anywhere else. People know that now, and their acceptance of my behaviour makes it easier to stay isolated. I am forming certain beliefs based on my own experiences, and in so doing, I have found I am turning it all back on God or whoever because I believe my brain chemistry is who I am, and I cannot change that. Imagine creating something then punishing it for behaving how it was created? Does a car manufacturer send his creation to the scrap yard because it failed to be the yacht he envisioned? This is why I question the entire belief in a plan, where people are punished for their shortcomings in life. Rather than look for the answers somewhere else, I have resigned myself to simply not ever being allowed to know until after death when (hopefully) it will all be explained.

Perhaps. Aside from briefly meeting many ghosts that did not make it to some traditional afterlife, anything about the afterlife is pure speculation in my book. I'm sure they were meant to move on, but I couldn't say where. It's a land of opportunity, but you are playing a game. If you have an inkling that things could be better, but do not seek the ruleset by which that happens, who is to blame? One of those shortcomings for which I am reprimanded is the notion of hopelessness. If I feel like that, a siren will kick in down the street, and I have to pull myself up by the boot-straps to turn the siren off. (In fact that's been my primary training mechanism over the years, given omens about the quality of my thoughts). ..and I'm quite thankful. I wouldn't have had a percentage of my miraculous experience if I gave in to my natural tendency towards hopelessness. As I've said before, as Thor, I experienced that unforgiven state you relish. I hope that, like me, some day you will realize it was your choice, and not a very good one. I thought it easier to die in some literal or metaphorical way to have god overcome me and give me the answers. I see now that that was a cowardly form of passive-agression in spite of the intense resolve it required. Heaven, punishment, it's up to you. You find it unfair that those who do attend classes in college do not prosper as engineers and blame the dean? Or you do attend, but refuse to believe in molecules, newtons law, ,etc., and think the metric system is too lame to use. We are actually a bit alike. I let myself get down and miserable before finally asking God to send cheerful people and experiences my way. I know I can get what I want, but forget or refuse to ask for it; you refuse to believe you can get it, when told otherwise. I suppose that makes me the greater fool here. The point here is that it is our inner-nature, not opportunity that is at fault. Sure, you could curse god for that impediment as well, I know I have. ..but then we would be the cars that drive themselves over cliffs because we are not the yachts we thought we should be. Had we the confidence to drive over a lake, we might have found that if not yachts, at least we were amphibious cars.

You are a man of spiritual/religious sentiments. I know that much. ..even if you refuse to believe in anything what-so-ever in particular. I find it hard to imagine though that it truly gives you joy to refute the notion that god has a working plan. You remind me of one of those biblical characters that god has to torment in various ways for them to pull through. It seems to me that you will take the worst of self-identities over the risk of none at all, and hence I am the means for you to affirm your isolation. (though perhaps i also serve to keep the promise of the rainbow open, should you change your mind 50 years from now). If that's what's going on, I'm fine with that. Our discussions might be a futile impassé, and yet i confess that i find them more invigorating than with someone who already experiences my realm. (Though only with those in my own realm, can I advance even further, and that is a high that definitely surpasses our banter).

Here's a question I don't think I've asked you before. What do you sincerely want to happen (cosmologically) over your life? I don't mean what do you think you should ideally wan't, nor quite what are you optimally wired to just have happen. I'd accept an answer like 'to grumble and prove others wrong only to find upon death that there was something better i could have experienced, but at least it's explained, and regardless, i'm off to a world where people have sex and eat cheesecakes for eternity without ever getting bored of it.' 'Having a revelation that removed the veil of jadedness' would do it too. hmm.. I'm starting to recall what hopeless resignation means.

I know there is a happier existence, but you have to be the type of person that can experience that. Imagine one of those retarded adults that can look at a balloon being bounced and giggle at it for 20 minutes. I see many ordinary people that get what I consider extraordinary pleasure from mundane things as one of those retarded people. They are blissfully unaware that what they are enjoying is in fact boring as all hell to some of us, and think people who aren't so happy are grumps or have a attitude problem. I think that's why I 'tease' people at work, because it is mentally stimulating to me. I am very jaded, yet often the simple things give me pleasure, like walking around the garden and noticing that a tree I thought had died has since grown 20 centimeters. I often laugh at the way the person tells the joke rather than at the joke since I can usually guess the punchline. People are funny, some people, but only when observed from a distance.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "cosmologically" in your question. I often find myself wishing one of three things. 1-I had never been born, 2- I could start all over but with the knowledge I have now, and 3- I was another person. Since none of these things are likely to happen it seems like a waste of time. My personality limits my joy with human contact. I find it a real chore at times, mainly because I try to appease people I admire or enjoy being with. I actually find it less emotionally draining dealing with people I know dislike me. I really do seem to enjoy proving people wrong don't I? Oh God, I think I'm an emotional vampire! A mate a work says he admires the way I just say what I think to people, yet with people I admire I will never correct them if they make a mistake, or tell them what bugs me about them, although the few people I let get close rarely make any mistakes and really don't do anything to piss me off. That's another problem. I seem to be drawn, or draw, people who I actually look up to and feel inferior to.

This is starting to sound like a psych' session! I have been thinking about using drugs again to remove the "veil of jadedness" but decided not to. It's been several years.

Anyway. I hope my biological cycles meet at the same amplitude very soon. Maybe I need to eat better.....

So your predominant desires aren't about the nature of your reality as much as about your state of mind. That's probably a good thing, but it does mean that changes in your life will center on that. It wasn't until I was entirely jaded that I realised I could actually change who I was. I created (top-down, let the details take care of themselves) someone who turned out to be quite unlike myself. As Thor, I would look at Kristal and think she was missing the point, that her interests were superficial, and as Kristal, I could see that Thor had missed the point, that life and people were meant to be relished, not transcended. It wasn't too unlike you becoming one of those folks content with a balloon. There was a slight battle over who had control of my mind (back in the heavily segregated days), but easisly won, since though Kristal resented being put on the shelf for thor to attend work, but thor, being so jaded, was glad to relinquish being, knowing that as superficial as kristal seemed, she had a knack for enjoying life I did not. ¥"They say if you learn the name of a spirit, that it renders you impervious to their charms. what is your name. i haven't decided on one yet."{I couldn't type that all fast enough to get it right the first time, fortunately it was just repeated at the end of the episode.} I wasn't willing to sacrifice my knowledge, so i asked that kristal would be someone with the same metaphysical awareness as my own had been ¥"two people from two different times". Changing personality happens all the time, even radical change is not uncommon amongst religious converts. When I had that day of seeing the town and park as something new, that was a decision made in advance to have a particular state of mind (and experiences follow states of mind). I realised that I was in a vampire hour cofee addict limbo, and had to push myself to stay awake through the next morning to become an orange juice drinking dynamo. I too was thinking of welbutrin or something. When I came back from my trip as Thor, I started drinking since there was nothing for me here, but kristal, who can dance to cheer up has returned. ¥"is he still trying to kill himself, he's chewing on a box of sleeping pills?" Anyhow, my point is you can change your attitude by deciding upon what it will be. Diets good, think about things you eat only in your best moods. For me that is fresh fruit.
That one took about an hour and a half too, this time with Star Trek Voyager in the background.

When you say you went to Alaska as Thor, do you mean you changed clothes etc and became him again, or do you mean your state of mind? Try doing SC with the TV off. I only turn it on when I'm finished here. It tends to yell at me seeking my attention, especially during commercials.

I was still in a dress; only the state of mind changed. I don't consider myself to be my appearance. You probably knew that.